It has been proven over and over that people are claiming "complications" not even close to the bombing site.

Present a Bill limiting it to victims and a radius and I would be for it.

Their are even payments to people out of New York State.

Within the "hallowed ground" zone?

demitrix, there were many people from out of state who rushed in to help with the rescue efforts and to help with the cleanup.

So, if you live in New Jersey or Connecticut but you worked in the recovery efforts at the site then the answer should be "Tough S***"?

if you had asthma before 9/11 you have athsma after.

Come on First Read Reporter's, where's the thread that IDENTIFYS All the Republicans that Changed over & Voted with the Democtrats on this Bill?

Or Better Yet, a Thread showing All the republicans who voted AGAINST this Bill.

Fair is Fair, is it Not, yall put out that Hit piece on Dems just a couple hours ago.

Rick, KY: For a breakdown of the vote, go to:

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/house/2/550

It's all there.

Now it is unprovoked? You have posted in the past that it was Amercan Imperialism.

Lordy, hypocrite.

all day long.

How do you determine a symptom of 9/11?

NDD: The flag wrapping and bible clinging is nothing new with the GENOPEE... luckily people are starting to wake up!

If case you haven't noticed we have picked up a new cast member with the 'Not Ready for Prime-time Players" lol

We sure have Feisty, where on earth do they come from?

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

NDD: The flag wrapping and bible clinging is nothing new with the GENOPEE... luckily people are starting to wake up!

If case you haven't noticed we have picked up a new cast member with the 'Not Ready for Prime-time Players" lol

Where is your comment about the discussion?

You said absolutely nothing to pertain about the 9/11 re-imbursements?

NDD: For all appearances they seem to work in shifts...

Notice the 'standard' copy & paste? It's the first thing they teach you at the 'Troll Academy'... lol

I'm SOOO sorry Demitrix, if you are under the assumption I was talking to you... that was hardly the case as I was agreeing with NDD!

Contrary to popular belief - I don't need you or anyone elses approval to talk to who I chose to...

Now, Feisty, you know that is not true! The right wing is FAMOUS for wanting government of their back, but regulating all other private activities.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

NDD: For all appearances they seem to work in shifts...

Notice the 'standard' copy & paste? It's the first thing they teach you at the 'Troll Academy'... lol

I'm SOOO sorry Demitrix, if you are under the assumption I was talking to you... that was hardly the case as I was agreeing with NDD!

Contrary to popular belief - I don't need you or anyone elses approval to talk to who I chose to...

Again nothing about the issue.

Thing is that msnbc uses newsvines rules.

Why derail the arguement why not state what you think?

newdayDAWNING10

Now, Feisty, you know that is not true! The right wing is FAMOUS for wanting government of their back, but regulating all other private activities

You mean the same government we have now? The same ones we bitched about under Bush?

Nope sorry.

I will reply just like the majority........Keep up the good work republicans......stop spending MY money by handing it out to everyone that ask for it.

Don't think that is what the majority thinks?...............read the polls.

You are making no sense, demitrix: I realize that it is difficult to be shown up, but I must ask again. Were you all right with Cheney stating that we could absorb another terrorist attack?

Thing is that msnbc uses newsvines rules.

YIPPEEE! lmao...

demitrix = JS1 = Peggy

STTS

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Thing is that msnbc uses newsvines rules.

YIPPEEE! lmao...

Still nothing to add.

Newday,

When did he say that? I know Obama said, it's on tape. Post that Cheney said what you posted.

"Cheney stating that we could absorb another terrorist attack?"

newdayDAWNING10

You are making no sense, demitrix: I realize that it is difficult to be shown up, but I must ask again. Were you all right with Cheney stating that we could absorb another terrorist attack?

I am guessing you have not read Woodward's new book.

President Obama is the one that thinks we can absorb a new attack. Dick Cheney was not there.

Respondent is the singular of Responder.

Honestly, i am disparaged by this new format of having to debate with these first reader people.

Honestly, i am disparaged by this new format of having to debate with these first reader people.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out then m'kay? It begs the question THEN... why do you continue to come back for more? You have already made you position crytal clear about how you feel about 'us' aliens.. lol

SO what 'D' are saying is that they have read the book in less that 48 hours... AMAZING.. simply AMAZING... but still time to post the drivel...

Sorry, when I read my lips do not get tired like some people.

Ulike yourself , I will find and read the bill before I comment . If I make a negative comment it is because I have researched all sides of my comment. Otherwise I am talking out my Butt..

newday

First how do you determine that the condition is from working in the 9/11 clean up or rescue effort. Second, doesn't health insurance already take care of it? Third, Why is this legislation just coming up now, right before an election when the country still has 9.5% unemployment? Don't you think it would be more advantageous trying to create jobs then approving more deficit spending? There are more reasons to vote this down right now than to vote for it. The democrats are just using it as a tactic to gain votes.

The problem with the Republican position on this issue...................they think that in order to stop a few people..................say maybe 5%, who are cheaters, they want to penalize 95% of the good people who got sick by trying to save someone. There will always be a few crooks, a few bad cops, a few crooked politicians on both sides, a few bad teachers, a few bad priests. Don't penalize or ignore the deserving in order to stop the few undeserving.

Aren't the Liberals the ones thinking that if we embrace Muslism we can "absorb" another attack?

I am just saying if not a first respondent, we cannot support you the rest of your lives.

The word is "responder", demitrix, and only if you are a far right winger do you believe that Liberals said if we embrace Muslims we can absorb another attack. Were you thinking of the statement that Cheney made about absorbing an attack, or is it all right if he says it? Although, I must say, it would be refreshing if people like you quit demonizing all Muslims.

No actually I was responding to Bob Woodward's book about Obama.

and respondent is correct in the singualar.

The title is First Responder. I know, because I am one. Cheney said much the same thing, That bother you, or only when it is a Democratic (gasp!) black President?

thank you for your service and hope your health is okay.

I am not a First Responder in the New York area. I am in rural MN.

Newday,

First Responder is a group of people like Police Officer, Fireman/woman, etc.............It's lumped into one group. When you say you're a First Responder, I don't know what you do until you mention it in a different post. So in a sense demitrix is correct.

Resonder refers to a member of a group

Respondent refers to an individual

ResponderS referes to the group en masse

en masse means the group et all

et al means all of them

Need some more lessons?

Actual y yes They want to privatize the V.A.

Jody this is no different, than when reagan refused to give tax payers money for the fight against AIDs!!!! he used the excuse that we did not have it from the federal budget to spare. but the military got all they wanted or needed.

Jeff. I know but it is infuriating. It is their hypocrisy that troubles me more than the no votes.

Jeff-1541632

Jody this is no different, than when reagan refused to give tax payers money for the fight against AIDs!!!! he used the excuse that we did not have it from the federal budget to spare. but the military got all they wanted or needed.

OMG! What did Reagan say?

"Private Organizations will step up and support the cause."

Hrm what happened?

demitrix

Ok, but its was shamfull that we were one of the only governemnt that refused to give money for research, england, france and germany did, but i guess they did not have the private organizations like we did.

give me a freaken break on that, his own son Ron Junior was pissed at daddy for his insensitive additude toward people with HIV!!! He would rather sell arms to iran than give fund for HIV research!!!

Jeff-1541632

demitrix

Ok, but its was shamfull that we were one of the only governemnt that refused to give money for research, england, france and germany did, but i guess they did not have the private organizations like we did.

give me a freaken break on that, his own son Ron Junior was pissed at daddy for his insensitive additude toward people with HIV!!! He would rather sell arms to iran than give fund for HIV research!!!

Government studies and Government research only determine Government Results.

Private Research results in actual data and effects that create profit and results. The government should get involved on the costs though. Unfortunately, in our Healthcare Insurance Debate the Administration determined drugs should cost more.

demitrix

Are you old enough to remember this time, I'm 48 and i remember well the insensitive attitude Ronnie had toward people with HIV, I'm not talking about government research, I'm talking about the government giving funds for Private research, every other country was doing it, but NOOO Ronald Wilson Reagan was too busy trying to beat the Russians, and selling arms to Iran.

what I'm getting at is, the Conservatives want to wrap them selves in the flag, but when its time to show your love for country, they pull what the republicans pulled in July when this bill first came up for a vote, first they said we can't pay for it, then they called the first responders a special interest group and did not see the need to help the people who risked life and health on that horrible day.

i will ask if the republicans were at the towers on that day, and had the chance to go in and rescue people, they would have run for the hills and waited for the police and fire to do the job, but there not good enough to take care of long term. Just shameful.

Former president Bush praised them when he went there, but now his party is turning there backs, how the hell are the republicans expecting to gain seats in the midterms, when they can't give some for the very people that saved thousands that day.

How?

Yup more than remember those times. Also rember Aids being promoted as a aerial disease. I remember children being denied school because of HIV positive.

Those were bad times.

The virus has not been obliterated yet and hopefully it will be.

I put my faith in private companies to kill it and not the government.

demitrix

I'm talking about the government giving funds for Private research, every other country was doing it, but NOOO Ronald Wilson Reagan was too busy trying to beat the Russians, and selling arms to Iran.

what I'm getting at is, the Conservatives want to wrap them selves in the flag, but when its time to show your love for country, they pull what the republicans pulled in July when this bill first came up for a vote, first they said we can't pay for it, then they called the first responders a special interest group and did not see the need to help the people who risked life and health on that horrible day.

i will ask if the republicans were at the towers on that day, and had the chance to go in and rescue people, they would have run for the hills and waited for the police and fire to do the job, but there not good enough to take care of long term. Just shameful.

Former president Bush praised them when he went there, but now his party is turning there backs, how the hell are the republicans expecting to gain seats in the midterms, when they can't give some for the very people that saved thousands that day.

No repsponse to this part of my post, i did not think you would.

Jeff,

You're a total idiot!!! You're that stupid to say this remark, "i will ask if the republicans were at the towers on that day, and had the chance to go in and rescue people, they would have run for the hills and waited for the police and fire to do the job, but there not good enough to take care of long term. Just shameful."

How in the heck do you know that??? Really................and if you would had read the first 9/11 bill you know why it was declined. First Responders deserves the benefits for their suffering, everyone will agree to that, but not how Congress played politics at the expense of the First Reponders.

So in your way of thinking, only Democrats are Police Officers and Firemen right? What about the Military, are they Democrats too?

Jody;

The political games never stop with these guys. If it does not help Wall Street, Big Business, or the richest 2% the republicans want nothing to do with it. This is the party of Hypocrisy. The campaign on Tax Cuts for Small Business, even put it in their Pledge to America and in less than 4 hours vote against the Small Business Bill. They campaign on jobs and threaten to filibuster the Infrastructure Bill that will create 35,000 jobs for each 1 Billion invested. They campaign for the middle class and then deny unemployment extensions calling the unemployed hobo's, unclean, defective, lazy etc.

They claim we have no money to pay for some of these bills (even though the CBO says they are paid for) but then want to pass a tax cut for the richest 2% for 830 Billion dollars that the rich do not need, that money never gets into the economy, they save it.

It just goes on and on. Pure 100% Hypocrisy.

Navy,

Who was the biggest campaign contribitures to Obama in 2008? Here's a clue, it's in your second sentence. No, I'm not a Republican neither, it's that same BS MSNBC spews out. Instead of bashing a political party, why not have ideas like STOP SPENDING!!! Heck, let the Bush Tax expire, but the spending has to stop. This Congress is like a kid with a credit card, wait until the bill comes in. I don't want to pay for it, but it seems like you don't have a problem do you?

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

Jody;

The political games never stop with these guys. If it does not help Wall Street, Big Business, or the richest 2% the republicans want nothing to do with it. This is the party of Hypocrisy. The campaign on Tax Cuts for Small Business, even put it in their Pledge to America and in less than 4 hours vote against the Small Business Bill. They campaign on jobs and threaten to filibuster the Infrastructure Bill that will create 35,000 jobs for each 1 Billion invested. They campaign for the middle class and then deny unemployment extensions calling the unemployed hobo's, unclean, defective, lazy etc.

They claim we have no money to pay for some of these bills (even though the CBO says they are paid for) but then want to pass a tax cut for the richest 2% for 830 Billion dollars that the rich do not need, that money never gets into the economy, they save it.

It just goes on and on. Pure 100% Hypocrisy.

The Hypocrisy is people that think their party is right and just. Remember the Vice presidents "Your Patriotic duty to pay taxes?. "

Then the Administration appoints a tax cheat claiming he used a $39 piece of software in charge of the IRS/treasury.

They claim we have no money to pay for some of these bills (even though the CBO says they are paid for) but then want to pass a tax cut for the richest 2% for 830 Billion dollars that the rich do not need, that money never gets into the economy, they save it.

They Claim that $500 billion is coming from medicare to pay for the new Health insurance Reform. Where is it?

They claim we have a Budget for 2011. Where is it? That's right Nancy Pelosi decided to violate the very law she wrote to not pass a budget this year.

Ya hypocrisy is only a Republican thing.

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

Jody;

The political games never stop with these guys. If it does not help Wall Street, Big Business, or the richest 2% the republicans want nothing to do with it. This is the party of Hypocrisy. The campaign on Tax Cuts for Small Business, even put it in their Pledge to America and in less than 4 hours vote against the Small Business Bill. They campaign on jobs and threaten to filibuster the Infrastructure Bill that will create 35,000 jobs for each 1 Billion invested. They campaign for the middle class and then deny unemployment extensions calling the unemployed hobo's, unclean, defective, lazy etc.

They claim we have no money to pay for some of these bills (even though the CBO says they are paid for) but then want to pass a tax cut for the richest 2% for 830 Billion dollars that the rich do not need, that money never gets into the economy, they save it.

It just goes on and on. Pure 100% Hypocrisy.

Quiz time!

Since you are so much smarter than us dumb people, please explain to us idiots how the small business bill will help us?

Please explain how the 1099 will make everything easier across the board.

Please US Navy Retired, explain to us the bullet points of why you think this is a good bill Other than being told it was.

Please explain how out of $12 billion for small business $4 billion is being siphoned off for other projects.

Then also explain that the remaining money is to be doled out by the SBA and not local/community banks as claimed?

You do not even read these things do you?

The most important question to ask about this bill is HOW IS IT PAYED FOR? That could be the very reason it was voted against by the GOP. Just like the small business legislation which carries tax cuts and money to banks for loans but no language guaranteeing the money would be loaned to any business or individual let alone a small business. That is why the small business legislation is hung up. So before you are quick to condemn, if the bill isn't properly funded, why should we increase the deficit with it?

So there are unjustified claims. Does that warrant denying legitimate claims of emergency responders? No!

demitrix, might those possibly be the out of state people who came to New York to help?

Good response ls-547877, I voted.

I don't doubt it, just like people getting work comp from work "injuries" they never really suffered. Question though, would you deny people who really do need aid any help just to make sure those criminals (and I do say criminals, anyone committing fraud to receive 9/11 compensation they aren't entitled to are despicable) don't take advantage of the system?

I haven't read the actual legislation, but I would think all the first responders should have an easy enough time proving they were in the 9/11 zone during cleanup. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. As for being opposed to this because it costs jobs, as the Republicans say, I would say suck it up. They're for giving money to the rich and not for giving it to the men and women who braved that site.

Tim, MN. I handled workers' compensation at two different firms. There are always a few bad apples in the bushel. Yes, there are some who claim injuries that did not occur but most employees did not abuse the system. The biggest problem was that too often, the company would settle rather than fight even when the evidence was there to prove the fraud--it was just easier.

Beverly,

Hypocrisy is thinking we can embrace the Muslim Fundalmentalists and not accept this to happen.

"America can absorb another attack".

Bob Woodward - quoting President Obama

Darth Cheney said the same thing while still in office. Find a complaint that makes sense.

In addition, what the hell does your first sentence mean?

Gee my words came from president Obama's new book...

where did your's come from?

demitrix

Beverly,

"America can absorb another attack".

Bob Woodward - quoting President Obama

You Dyammm right!

President Obama sure told the truth about FOX News: "Fox News is 'destructive' to America".

So what if President Obama has factual evidence that America can absorb it.

It doesn't matter with the FOX NOISE Echo CHAMBER &TB "drones of doom and gloom".

Didn't that cowboy Georgie Boy say bring it ON? Wouldn't that mean America has the ability to "absorb" an attack or a catastrophic event?

Has America absorbed an international terrorist attack since the President has been in office? In case you don't know or forgot the answer is "Nope"!

FYI: No one in America is advocating Sharia apart from that stupid, unrepentant, bigot, and xenophobic, Hannity and the rest of Fox Noise's Echo Chamber.

So Beverly you are okay with Americans dieing as long as we can "absorb" it?

Has America absorbed an international terrorist attack since the President has been in office? In case you don't know or forgot the answer is "Nope"!

FYI: No one in America is advocating Sharia apart from that stupid, unrepentant, bigot, and xenophobic, Hannity and the rest of Fox Noise's Echo Chamber.

What?

To the first part you are right we have not, but do you find it acceptable American lives can be sacrificied to make a point?

Your second part is pure idiocy and makes zero sense.

We will eventually be attacked it's just a matter of time. This country is much more resilent and can absorb it just as European and other countries do. We have to be right every time and they only have to be right once. I believe everyone is doing all they can but mistakes will be made.

I'm so tired of the doom and gloom when in reality we have survived much worse in this countries life time.

So, UI finally get this liberal bs...we are for the people unless they are killed then we will make them martyrass....

And if they killed and ACTUALLY pay taxes we will lament their deaths and go after their friends....?

Is this right?

Matthew -

I suspect that if there were a bill in Congress to declare today Wednesday, the Republicans would be against it "as yet another big-government entitlement program that would boost taxes and kill jobs".

That's their story and they're sticking to it!

What else is attached to the bill? Have you read it? Have they? Is this another of Pelosi's we'll find out what's in it after we pass it bills? Lot's of questions not many answers.

In thinking more about this, those kinds of claims could potentially bankrupt a Workmen's Comp fund.

newdayDAWNING10 - Thanks for the information. For some reason, I did not even think about unpaid volunteers.

Generally, workers comp. is purchased by employers from private insurance companies. However, most cities, counties, states, etc. are self-insured.

Anyway, the reason I raised the concern was because I listened to a young man on TV last week stating he was an emergency worker for NYC and now has no health care, cannot work and has to pay for his own treatment. He claims problems with his lungs, etc. are caused by working at 9/11 and I have no reason or facts to dispute his claim.

My concern was why NY, NYC, Medicaid, and/or the Union are not paying his medical bills. And I have no answers.

I don't know Terry, but you raise a good question.

newdayDAWNING - I thank you for your repsonse!!! Maybe an elected offical that helped enact hundreds and hundreds of programs to assist people in need can tell all of us why it took a "special" act of Congress to help these people. OK- I know I must be dreaming!!!

Sometimes the things that seem the simplest Terry become so complex. On the face of it, these folks should be helped as quickly as possible. But I enjoyed chatting with you. So rare to have a civil discussion on FR these days. Have a good night.

I thank all of the people that rose up and helped all people on 9/11 and the time after. I personally do not have a problem helping people that worked so hard to save people, etc. on 9/11. I do not want these people left out in the cold with no help. Although, if you read my comments above yours, I just question why are they not being helped now. Why is NY, NYC, their Union, etc. not handling their medical bills, etc.?

Also, I have a question for everybody!!! After 9/11, a Victims Compensation Fund was established for the people killed during 9/11. The fund was allocated 10 billion dollars. I turned 50 years old this year and my mother died December 23, 1978 from no fault of her own. I was 18 years old when she died. The U.S. Government did not compensate me when my mother died, nor did I think they should. Was her death less important than anybody that died on 9/11? My response would be no. Her death was more important to me since she was my mother and I personally did not know anybody that died on 9/11. Me not knowing them does not mean their life was less important!!!

So my question is should the U.S. Government compensate anybody for a death, disaster, etc. that is not currently expressed in current law? It really hurt when she died, and I have a wife of 21 years and two children that never knew her. I pushed forward with life and never received a check from the U.S Government to assist.

I will stand by my statement that workers, volunteers, etc., that have health problems from 9/11 should be helped. Although, it has been nine years and I want to know why NY, NYC, Unions, Medicaid, etc. are not helping these people???? Why did it require a special fund from Congress to help these people???