We noted in First Thoughts that Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) would address the shooting in Tucson during a speech at the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank.
Kerry said he thought about postponing the speech, but "the truth is," he said, "talking about the business of our country is more urgent than ever." He added, "[S]erious times call for serious discussions." And he said he "felt that not only should this speech not be postponed, but that, in fact, it was imperative to give it."
Kerry continued according to remarks sent out by his Senate office, "Many observers have already reduced this tragedy to simple questions of whether overheated rhetoric is to blame, or one partisan group or another. And surely today many pundits and politicians are measuring their words a little more carefully and thinking a little more about what they’re saying. But in the weeks and months ahead, the real issue we need to confront isn’t just what role divisive political rhetoric may have played on Saturday -- but it’s the violen[t], divisive, overly simplistic dialogue does to our democracy every day.
"In the wake of this weekend’s tragedy, Speaker Boehner was right to suspend the House’s usual business; the question now is whether we’re all going to suspend and then end business as usual in the United States Capitol. Because even before this event shook us out of our partisan routine, it should have been clear that on bedrock questions of civility and consensus -- discourse and democracy -- the whole endeavor of building a politics of national purpose -- the big question wasn’t whose rhetoric was right or wrong, but whether our political conversation was worthy of the confidence and trust of the American people.
"Millions of Americans know we can do better than we’ve done these last bitter years – because our history has proven it time and again."
He continued, noting the collapse of cooperation and the increased partisanship on issues ranging from health care and the START treaty with Russia to energy.
He concluded, "[I]n this time of crisis and mourning, in this time of challenge and opportunity, we need to commit to reaching across the aisle, as colleagues did before us, to unite to do the exceptional things that will keep America exceptional for generations to come."
Below is the full text of his remarks:
The full text of his speech, as prepared, is below:
Someone might ask why, with our country in mourning, we are here this morning continuing to talk about the business of the country. But the truth is that is what Gabrielle Giffords was doing – talking about the business of the country. And the truth is, talking about the business of our country is more urgent than ever.
John and I considered postponing this speech, which had been planned for some time. But serious times call for serious discussions. And after some reflection, both of us felt that not only should this speech not be postponed, but that, in fact, it was imperative to give it.
So obviously, as we gather here this morning, last weekend’s unspeakable tragedy is at the forefront of all of our minds. Our thoughts are with Congresswoman Giffords and the families of all the victims. We pray for her full recovery, even as a nation mourns the loss of innocent life in such a senseless act.
All of us struggle to understand this horrific event. There is much we still don’t know about what happened and why. But here’s what we do know without any question: on Saturday, a public servant went to meet with her constituents in the best tradition of our democracy, and while out, just doing her job, Congresswoman Giffords was shot down. Today she's fighting for her life, and six people lost their lives in this senseless assault not just on them, but, in its calculated planning for assassination, an assault on our democracy itself.
Eerily, I heard this weekend’s news while in Sudan, representing our country in our collective effort to help a people who have endured unspeakable violence and who are trying to make a fresh start through their democracy. Yet as I stood beside those Africans who have lost loved ones in pursuit of the democratic values we Americans so proudly export to the world, there was an unavoidable clash with the events unfolding in Tucson – a dramatic underscoring of the work that must be done to revitalize our own democracy here at home.
Many observers have already reduced this tragedy to simple questions of whether overheated rhetoric is to blame, or one partisan group or another. And surely today many pundits and politicians are measuring their words a little more carefully and thinking a little more about what they’re saying. But in the weeks and months ahead, the real issue we need to confront isn’t just what role divisive political rhetoric may have played on Saturday – but it’s the violence divisive, overly simplistic dialogue does to our democracy every day.
In the wake of this weekend’s tragedy, Speaker Boehner was right to suspend the House’s usual business; the question now is whether we’re all going to suspend and then end business as usual in the United States Capitol. Because even before this event shook us out of our partisan routine, it should have been clear that on bedrock questions of civility and consensus– discourse and democracy – the whole endeavor of building a politics of national purpose – the big question wasn’t whose rhetoric was right or wrong, but whether our political conversation was worthy of the confidence and trust of the American people.
Millions of Americans know we can do better than we’ve done these last bitter years – because our history has proven it time and again.
When the Soviets sent the first satellite in history into orbit half a century ago, leaders from both parties rose with a sense of common purpose and resolved that never again would the United States fall behind anyone, anywhere. President Kennedy summoned our nation to reach the great and audacious goal "before (the) decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to earth."
There were no partisan divisions that blocked the way. With daring and unflagging determination we moved immediately to unprecedented levels of investment in science and technology, engineering and R&D – and only twelve years after Sputnik, two Americans humbly took mankind's first steps on the moon.
Back then – just as today - our leaders, Democrat and Republican, had deep disagreements on many issues, but back then, they shared an even deeper commitment to stand together for the strength and success of our country. For them, at that turning point, politics stopped not just at the ocean’s edge, but at the edge of the atmosphere. For them, American Exceptionalism wasn’t just a slogan; they knew that America is exceptional not because we say we are, but because we do exceptional things.
As I first said last month, we as a people face another Sputnik moment today. And the great question is whether we will meet this moment as Americans did so boldly five decades ago. The decisions we make – or fail to make – in this decade on new energy sources, on education, infrastructure, technology, and research , all of which are going to produce the jobs of the future, and our decisions on deficits and entitlements will without doubt determine whether the United States will continue to lead the world – or be left to follow in the wake of others, on the way to decline, less prosperous in our own land and less secure in the world.
Some will question how in the world this could be possible – America less prosperous? America on the decline? They forget that exceptionalism for America has never been an automatic fact – a birthright on autopilot – but an inheritance of opportunity to be renewed and revitalized by each generation.
So, let me share some facts with you. Right now, other developed and developing countries are making far-reaching choices to reshape their economies and move forward in a new and very different global era. But instead of us responding as Americans have in the past, the frustrating reality is that our American political system is increasingly paralyzed and Balkanized into a patchwork of narrow interests that have driven the larger “national good” far from the national dialogue altogether. Increasingly, overheated ideology and partisan infighting leave us less able to address or even comprehend the decisive nature and scale of the challenges that will decide our whole future.
The fact is – our strength at home determines our strength in the world. And other countries are constantly taking our measure, sizing us up, watching our politics, measuring our gridlock.
On issue after issue, enduring consensus has been frayed or shredded by lust for power cloaked in partisan games. Health care’s individual mandate? Guess what -- it started as a Republican idea-- a pro-business idea-- because rising insurance costs leave big holes in profits. Cap and trade? Guess again -- another Republican idea based on market principles and, with bipartisanship, successfully implemented by President George Herbert Walker Bush, now denounced as ideological heresy. And energy independence? For forty years, every President since Richard Nixon has recognized that foreign oil imports are America’s Achilles heel. But whenever we’ve had a chance to act, we’ve been blocked by entrenched influence and the siren call of short-term interest instead of achieving long-term success.
Even as we were clawing our way to the ratification of START Treaty last month, I noted that far more ambitious treaties had previously been ratified by votes of 90 or 95 to zero. I joked that in this Senate, in this hyper-partisan Washington, 67 might be the new 95. I’m proud that in the end we sent a signal to the world that in American foreign policy, however uphill the slog and improbable the victory, partisan politics can still stop at the water’s edge. But the fact remains that it was closer than it ever should have been.
All of this underscores the current danger to our country in ways that go far beyond that single debate and highlight a host of other issues that demand and deserve common resolve, not constant suspicion and division. If treaties ratified almost unanimously yesterday get just 71 votes today, what’s the forecast for other decisive endeavors that once would have commanded 79 votes in the Senate? We can’t afford for the old 79 to become the new 49, dooming our national will to unbreakable gridlock. Because in the 21st century where choices and consequences come at us so much faster than ever before, the price of Senate inaction isn’t just that we will stand still; it isn't just that America will fall behind; it's that we will stay behind as we cede the best possibilities of this young century to others who are more disciplined.
Just think about an issue as simple and fundamental as building and investing in America – an issue that was once so clearly bi-partisan. The Republican Mayor of New York City Fiorello LaGuardia famously said: “There’s no Republican or Democratic way to clean the streets.” Well, for decades there was no Democratic or Republican way to build roads and bridges and airports. The building of America was every American’s job. This wasn’t narrow pork; it was a national priority. But today, we’re still living off and wearing out the infrastructure put in place by Republicans and Democrats together, starting with President Eisenhower’s interstate highway system. We didn’t build it; our parents and grandparents did. Now partisan paralysis has kept us from renewing that inheritance even as it decays from neglect. And the question is – what are we building for our children and our future generations?
Reliable, modern infrastructure isn’t a luxury. It’s the lifeblood of our economy-- the key to connecting our markets, moving products and people, generating and sustaining millions of jobs for American workers, to not wasting hundreds of thousands of hours and millions of gallons of gas on clogged highways.
In the face of global competition, our growth and exports are directly tied to the modernity of our infrastructure. As we invest too little and our competitors invest more and more, the harder and harder it will be to catch up – and the more and more attractive those countries will be for future investments.
In 2009 China spent an estimated $350 billion on infrastructure-- 9 percent of its GDP. Europe’s infrastructure bank financed $350 billion in projects across the continent from 2005 to 2009, modernizing seaports, expanding airports and high speed rail lines, and reconfiguring city centers. Brazil invested over $240 billion in infrastructure in the past three years alone, with an additional $340 billion planned over the next three years.
And what about us? Well, we know that Americans have always been builders. We built a transcontinental railroad. We built an interstate highway system. We built the rockets that let us explore the farthest edge of the solar system and beyond. But as a result of our political gridlock and attention to the short-term, that’s not what we’re doing today.
For too long we’ve underbuilt and underinvested, and too much of what we have done has been uninformed by any long-term strategic plan. In 2008, it was estimated that we had to make an annual investment of $250 billion for the next 50 years to legitimately meet our transportation needs. Right now, we aren’t even close to that. Right now, we are as many miles away from it as we ought to be building to get there.
Other countries are doing what we ought to do. They’re racing ahead because they created infrastructure banks to build a new future ; but we’ve yet to build a new consensus for our own national infrastructure bank to make Americans the world’s builders again-- and to keep our country the leader in the new world economy.
Imagine the possibilities that would come from this endeavor - financing projects from high-speed rail to air and sea ports, all with the expectation of being repaid, lending directly to economically viable initiatives of both national and regional significance, without political influence, run in an open and transparent manner by experienced professionals with meaningful Congressional oversight. That is an indispensable strategy for prosperity and a legitimate vision that Americans could embrace. And if we offer America the leadership it deserves, it ought to be an undoubted opportunity and necessity for bi-partisanship.
It’s not just infrastructure where we must rebuild our sense of great national purpose: virtually every measure shows that we’re falling behind. Today the United States is ranked 10th in global competitiveness among the G20 countries. America is now 12th worldwide in the percentage of 25-to-34-year-olds with a college degree, trailing, among others, Russia, New Zealand, South Korea, and Israel. This year investors have pulled $74 billion out of domestic stock funds and put $42 billion into foreign stock funds. High-profile multinational companies including Applied Materials and IBM are already opening major R&D centers in China. And as we look to the Googles of the future, it is increasingly possible that they will be founded by students from Tianjin University, rather than MIT or Stanford.
We need to face up these new challenges-- not just as individuals or separate interests, but as a nation with a national purpose. The world of the next generation will change too rapidly for political parties to focus too narrowly on the next election. And the 21st Century can be another American century-- but only if we restore a larger sense of responsibility and replace the clattering cacophony of the perpetual campaign with a wider discussion of what is best for our country.
For the last months we’ve watched the news and read the campaign literature and heard a lot the soundbites. We've heard politicians say they won't become a part of Washington. That say they're for small government, lower taxes, and more freedom. But what do they really mean?
Do they want a government too limited to have invented the Internet, now a vital part of our commerce and communications? A government too small to give America’s auto industry and all its workers a second chance to fight for their survival? Taxes too low to invest in the research that creates jobs and industries and fills the Treasury with the revenue that educates our children, cures disease, and defends our country? We have to get past slogans and soundbites, reason together, and talk in real terms about how America can do its best.
If we are going to balance the budget and create jobs, we can’t pretend that we can do it by just eliminating earmarks and government waste. We have to look at the plain facts of how we did it before, and by the way, you don't have to look far. In the early 1990's, our economy was faltering because deficits and debt were freezing capital. We had to send a signal to the market that we were capable of being fiscally responsible. We did just that and as result we saw the longest economic expansion in history, created over 22 million jobs, and generated unprecedented wealth in America, with every income bracket rising. But we did it by making tough choices. The Clinton economic plan committed the country to a path of discipline that helped unleash the productive potential of the American people. We invested in the workforce, in research, in development. We helped new industries. Then, working with Republicans, we came up with a budget framework that put our nation on track to be debt free by 2012 for the first time since Andrew Jackson's administration.
How we got off track is a story that doesn’t require retelling. But the truth of how we generated the 1990’s economic boom does need to be told. We didn’t just cut our way to a balanced budget; we grew our way there.
And nothing played a more important role than the fact that we developed a one trillion dollar technology market with one billion users. Today we’re staring another economic opportunity of extraordinary proportions right in the face – and so far we’re doing precious little about it. The current energy economy is a $6 trillion market with 4 billion users (and the possibility of growing to 9 billion in the next 30 years) – and the fastest growing segment of that is green energy – projected at $2.3 trillion in 2020. Yet, as of today, without different policy decisions by us, most of this investment will be in Asia, and not the United States. Two years ago, China accounted for just 5 percent of the world’s solar panel production. Now it boasts the world’s largest solar panel manufacturing industry, exporting about 95 percent of its production to countries including the United States. We invented the technology but China is reaping the rewards.
China's government is poised to outspend the U.S. 3 to 1 on public clean-energy projects over the next several years. They have installed 36 percent of the global market share in wind energy in 2009 and surpassed the United States as the fastest growing market. Deutsche Bank's Kevin Parker, who manages $7 billion in climate change-related investments, calls the US “asleep at the wheel on climate change...[and] on the industrial revolution taking place in the energy industry." Because of political uncertainty and inaction in this country, he’s now focusing Deutsche Bank’s “green” investment dollars more and more on opportunities in China and Western Europe, where governments provide a more positive environment. Today only $45 million of the $7 billion green investments fund that Deutsche Bank manages is from the United States. Simply put, because we are asleep, the investments are going elsewhere.
Now is the moment for America to reach for the brass energy ring – to go for the moon here on earth by building our new energy future-- and, in doing so, create millions of steady, higher paying jobs at every level of the economy. Make no mistake - jobs that produce energy in America are jobs that stay in America. The amount of work to be done here is just stunning. It is the work of many lifetimes. And it must begin now. This shouldn’t be a partisan issue; but instead of coming together to meet the defining test of a new energy economy and our future, we’re now leaving a political season in which too many candidates promised not to work with the other party. And this in the wake of a Senate session that started for Republicans with a power point presentation pronouncing - and I quote - "the purpose of the majority is to pass their agenda, the purpose of the minority is to become the majority."
It’s no secret that I’m a convinced Democrat. And I know it’s better to be in the majority than in the minority. And I don't want anyone to come to the Senate, check their beliefs at the door, and "go Washington." Neither did the Founding Fathers. And certainly no one's elected to the Senate promising to join an exclusive club-- or to forget where they came from. But the truth is some of the most fiercely independent, plain-talking, direct, and determined partisans I've ever known in the Senate have also been the ones who tackled the toughest issues, finding common ground with people they disagreed with on damn near everything else.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a New York liberal. Alan Simpson was a Wyoming conservative. But they could sit down and talk and debate and disagree about deficits, debts, and entitlements and somehow someway they could shape a way forward. And they did it in a way that enlisted liberals like Bill Bradley, moderates like Jack Heinz, and conservatives like John Danforth because they knew that certain issues were just too important to be lost in partisan squabbling.
And you couldn't find three more proudly partisan and ideologically distinct politicians than Ronald Reagan, Tip O’Neill, and Bob Dole. But they found a way to put politics aside and save Social Security for a generation rather than saving it for misuse as a cudgel in the next campaign. They didn't capitulate - they compromised. And, speaking of backroom deals, they agreed NOT to let either party demagogue the issue against the incumbents who cast the tough votes to pass the bill. Now, if you’ve got to have a backroom deal, that’s the kind to have.
Folks, you won't find a Republican today who would dare criticize Ronald Reagan. Last week, when the candidates for chairman of the Republican National Committee had their debate, Grover Norquist asked each of them to name their favorite Republican other than Ronald Reagan. He said he had to add that caveat so everyone didn't give the same answer. But we'd all be better off if some of these Republicans remembered that Ronald Reagan worked across the aisle to solve big problems. And we'd all be better off if Grover Norquist thought of THAT Ronald Reagan before he announced that "bipartisanship is just another word for date rape."
That's the difference today. Ideology isn't new to the American political arena and ideology isn't unhealthy. The biggest breakthroughs in American politics have been brokered not by a mushy middle or by splitting the difference but by people who had a pretty healthy sense of ideology. Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch were a powerful team precisely because they didn't agree on that much and they spent a lot of time fighting each other --and so the Senate leaned in and listened on those occasions when somehow this ultimate odd couple found things they were willing to fight for together.
Sometimes, as John Kennedy once said, “party asks too much.” Sometimes, party leaders also ask too much, especially if they exploit the rules of the United States Senate for the sole purpose of denying a President a second term. But that is what we have witnessed the last two years; Republicans nearly unanimous in opposition to almost every proposal by the President and almost every proposal by Democratic colleagues. The extraordinary measure of a filibuster has become an ordinary expedient. Today it’s possible for 41 Senators representing only about one tenth of the American population to bring the Senate to a standstill.
Certainly, I believe the filibuster has its rightful place. I used it to stop drilling for oil in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge because I believed that was in our national interest --and 60 or more Senators should be required to speak up on such an irrevocable decision. But we have reached the point where the filibuster is being invoked by the minority not necessarily because of a difference over policy, but as a political tool to undermine the Presidency.
Consider this: in the entire 19th century, including the struggle against slavery, fewer than two dozen filibusters were mounted. Between 1933 and the coming of World War II, it was attempted only twice. During the Eisenhower administration, twice. During John Kennedy’s presidency, four times-- and then eight during Lyndon Johnson’s push for civil rights and voting rights bills. By the time Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan occupied the White House, there were about 20 filibusters a year.
But in the 110th Congress of 2007-2008, there were a record 112 cloture votes. And in the 111th Congress, there were 136, one of which even delayed a vote to authorize funding for the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps during a time of war. That’s not how the Founders intended the Senate to work-- and that's not how our country can afford the Senate not to work.
Chris Dodd said it best in his farewell address just a few weeks ago – a speech the Republican Leader called one of the most important in the history of the chamber. Chris sounded a warning: “What will determine whether this institution works or not, what has always determined whether we will fulfill the Framers’ highest hopes or justify the cynics’ worst fears, is not the Senate rules, the calendar, or the media. It is whether each of the one hundred Senators can work together.”
That was a speech that needed to be heard. But the question now isn’t whether it was heard; it’s whether we really listened to it. Because when it comes to the economy, our country really does need 100 Senators who face the facts and find a way to work not just on their side, but side by side.
No one runs for the Senate arguing that the United States should have one fifth of its foreign debt held by China. No winning candidate has ever suggested that the United States should trail Poland in education. Or that Germany should invent the next Google or develop the cutting edge new clean energy industries. No one has ever gone into a debate pledging that Indian workers should hold the jobs of the future not American workers.
There’s a bi-partisan consensus just waiting to lift our country and our future if Senators are willing to sit down and forge it and make it real. If we're willing to stop talking past each other, to stop substituting soundbites for substance. If we're willing finally to pull ourselves out of an ideological cement of our own mixing.
We will no doubt continue to be frustrated and angry from time to time, but I believe that more often than not, we can rise to the common ground of great national purpose. Surely we can agree and act to realize the goal set by the President who called his fellow citizens to meet that earlier Sputnik moment-- an America " that is not first if, not first but, but first period."
So, in this time of crisis and mourning, in this time of challenge and opportunity, we need to commit to reaching across the aisle, as colleagues did before us, to unite to do the exceptional things that will keep America exceptional for generations to come.


I guess that's the lesson we have learned and a lesson we are teaching to younger generations - that it has become impossible to sit down and talk to others we disagree with. Instead they want revolutions. Do they not know that President Obama is not a King?
It has become a sign of weakness to sit down and talk. Don't they know that it is the ones you disagree with who are the ones you need to reach out to? When we stop talking to each other, issues - and people - fall through the cracks.
Everything has absolutely become too simplistic. Why hasn't the right come out yet to talk about the messages they are sending out and how wrong and damaging it can be? Do they not care?
Good Morning Pat:
I'm beginning to get this uneasy feeling that events will escalate and not turn out so well. While I love the Internet, the negative side is irresponsible vitriol that has no positive outcome. I am especially concerned after the 2012 election when President Obama is re-elected.
Hi Ron. I hardly know what to say to the right. They are not to be reasoned with at all. When you sit back and listen to what they're saying and doing, it's incomprehensible that they consider themselves true Americans. They are anything but.
The question is will they ever recognize what they're doing. Or even care? I don't think so. Rupert Murdoch shows no capacity for humanity at all. Here he is a media mogul and all he does with this power is push hate. To make money.
Chris Matthews said something interesting last night - he said both the left and the right hate and it's why we have people who want to be considered moderates in their respective parties.
Do you think this is true? I agree with Feisty that 2000-2008 changed a lot of us. So we now have the teaparties who seemed unconcerned with anything but behaving like criminals. Go out and destroy political offices was their message after the health care vote.
Literally go out and destroy them. Have any of them been arrested I wonder?
Back on 9-12-2001 America stood as ONE. We were past the Supremes instalation of King George & trying to find a way to Defend the Honor of America after being Attacked. A shortlived attack was used by President Bush, only to Redirect America's Honor, into defending his Daddy's Honor. THAT WAS WHERE PRESIDENT BUSH LOST ME!
Here we are almost 10 years later & more devided that ever. Corparate America sending Jobs overseas in search of the almighty Dollar, the NRA & their neverending Defense of the 2nd amendment haveing our Elected officials scared to Attack Gun laws. Banks hireing people to FastTrack Forclosures, only to finout later, No One knows who holds the deed to the Property.
Folk's, Americans"Real Americans" are tired of being taken for granted, they feel thier Not being listened to, & thier Frustration is at the Boiling Point. Our Lawmakers are cowering trying to figure out how Best to protect themselves from Violent Acts, such as what just happened. Boehner took the 1st Step towards healing with Cancelling the Houses Business this week.Hopefully, they're rethinking the name of the "HCR Job Killing Bill", in light of what just happened.
Real America is waiting for something Positive. Will our Lawmakers Concede the Fact that Corparate America can Wait.
America is Hurting & we desparetly need some New Meds!
BTW, DBO, i'm just a 55 yearold Appalachian American, who lives in Rural KY. I sometimes go & get CityFied, but Only sometimes. As you can see from this past saturday, the City is dangerous. Around here, Guns are used to Hunt Deer, Rabbits, Squirrels & to sometimes Kill snakes, but only if a Hoe is'nt helpful.
Pat:
I think moderates will be defeated by extremists in both parties. You follow history. You likely see the trend. There may be a few topics all can agree on, but polarization is here to stay. This is something our founding father never dreamed possible as they assumed all Americans would put country first. They never dreamed communication would be so instant. They never dreamed that a conservative wing of one political party would spew half-truths and outright lies to further their personal end. They believed the country had a moral compass that would redirect us away from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, et. al. Our founding fathers would be shocked if they saw what is happening in our beloved country.
Hi Pat, Boston, MA
excellent points
I really like Kerry; Pat
I think he is one of the most intelligent debaters we have in the senate. Had he become President; we wouldn't have been in the hole Bush put us in.
Rick:
I think we have respectfully dialogued before on our second amendment rights to own guns. I agree with some of what you say that Americans are hurting. I would like to add your comment about "Real Americans" includes everyone of us. There are no "Real Americans" and "Partial or Almost Americans". The Constitution is still the law of the land.
Beverly, yes I like Senator Kerry as well - most of the time. I'd like to see him out there more with some other long time Senators - speaking up - from both parties. I haven't heard much from Senator McCain these past few days.
Leaders need to come to the front. It can't be all President Obama all the time.
There is a legal precedent to inciting violence and murder --even when not there ---Charles Mason comes to mind...
The GOP/wingnuts are looking for cover when there is none! Nationally, this is not going to go away..Too much out there on video..
If I were President - I would let this run..and concentrate on the loss and ignore the shrill right wing -gop attempts to cover!
Would like to hear the President say in Arizona'==" I am here to honor the fallen, those fighting for life and the bravery of the citizens that saved lives...any guilt or innocence is up to the Federal Courts!"
Micheal Moore asked an prescient question...If this were a Muslim person making such maps or spewing such hatred where would they be sitting today?
This is what a national leader looks like. Thank you Senator Kerry!
A BIG part of the prblem that will likely never go away, now:
The internet, and the ease with which we can ding and bash eachother without worry about retaliation (in physical sense). The other day, I asked for some general information about fellow posters. It was informative and interesting. I recognized some from the right, some from the left, and some from the middle. All were pretty neat people, it sounded like. People I'd enjoy having a beer and a burger with.
Am I guilty, too, of the bashing and ridicule? You bet. It's just too simple to have your buttons pushed, and to push the other guy's buttons in response.
I have to point out, though, that I don't have nearly as big of a soapbox as Palin, Beck, Alan Grayson,or others.
Give it another ten or fifteen years and the most prolific users of today will be sick and tired of it, future generations of 'net jockeys notwithstanding.
Me too! It was what went on between 2000 - 2008 that got me involved...
I was not and will not let them continue to 'steam roll' this country into a 3rd world status!
Sometimes - 'shucky darn' just don't cut it!
AMEN to that, Feisty.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
"It was what went on between 2000 - 2008 that got me involved"
Yes! I remember how grateful I was when I heard Howard Dean speak out against invading Iraq - the lone voice of reason in the public square at that time. I remember how we were told the Republicans would have a lock on the Presidency for the next thirty years, and we'd just have to get used to it. I remember Karl Rove engineering the firing of decent Republican Attorney Generals in order to get ones who would more readily do the political will of the executive branch. I remember people who were deemed "good Bushies" being hired for federal posts over more qualified, but independent minded candidates. I remember the Repubicans pushing to open national parks for oil drilling, the government scientists who were told not to report data confirming global warming, the bans on federal funds for stem cell research that put us behind the rest of the world in developing medical miracles, the privatizing of services previously handled by the military which result in billions of military dollars lost to fraud and waste.
I'll take whatever "controversies" we face these days over what occurred during the Bush administration. At least now we have a President who listens and is ready to compromise with political opponents. During the Bush years, a critic saw his C.I.A. wife "outed" as punishment for speaking against him. Can you imagine something like that happening in the Obama administration? Me neither.
Thanks Anna & Amy!
What the right doesn't understand is Bush & Co. also awoke many a 'sleeping dragons' on the left!
Thanks to 'W' I realized I had to do more than cast a ballot at election time!
Now... if I could just do something about keeping my 'feisty' in c'heck'! lol
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
You and me will save the world!
A-hem, I'll be interested to heard what the Holy Father, Glenn Beck, has to say about your greedy, evil remark in his in the bizzaro mind.
Don't you know your are fulfilling step (1) on Glenn's chalkboard about entitlements? Beck may think you don't deserve one.
Yes, I too am guilty of ridicule.
Well, okay, but maybe someone could also talk about the proliferation of guns.
After reading a horrendously long -- and only partial -- list of mass shootings in recent years, Rachel said last night that there are now 90 guns for every 100 Americans -- that's 270 million guns. We're 30 guns per hundred people ahead of the next leading country ... Yemen. How's that for being in civilized company?
What ARE we thinking about?
And ever since guns began to bloom in this country, exactly what else has gotten better? In the meantime, a lot of innocent people have died, a lot of families have been anguished, and the very fabric of our personal security has been torn apart.
But, hey, let's just talk about political rhetoric. Because it's easier than discussing what the Second Amendment ACTUALLY means, and because corporate gun sellers contribute to campaigns.
I do not know about the gun issue- I do not, never have, and never will own one- but I DO know that we need a more realistic view of the rights of the mentally disturbed.
No one, it seems, had the ability to FORCE loughner to get evaluated. Even if he had, the law could not force him to be involuntarily committed until he had actually committed an act of violence.
Does anyone really think he believed himself to be irrational?
I understand the those who have ousted for laws that give the mentally ill the right to refuse medication and/or treatment did so out of a sense of justice. Unfortunately, the price of the unintended consequences are too high for both society and the individuals affected.
It is time that we, as a society, come to grips with the fact that those who cannot make rational decisions about their lives must be cared for, even if it is against the or wills. Although it is a small minority who turn to violence, many more wind up living on the streets, eating from dumpsters.
Relegating them to such lives is not compassionate, nor is it respectful of their rights.
Nice post no joe. It's hard to comprehend what is happening. I don't know many people who care. People just complain about their lives all damn day long. While there are so many thousands out there so much worse off who are being ignored. They are homeless. And ill.
I have noticed lately that I am having little sympathy for the middle class. They have their computers, their cars, their homes, etc. Yet they whine all the time. All I hear is WHAT ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS!! Fine. Most of the middle class I know lived beyond their means. For years they did this. I saw it. But if the middle class want something to make their lives easier financially (especially college, affordable homes, health care, etc.), that's okay with me.
But what about the poor, what about the mentally ill? Who is speaking for them? I hate it. Hate it. Hate it that this is happening.
In Maine, we have had several recent cases where mentally ill young men have committed horrific acts of violence against their own families and friends. In all of these cases, people around them knew the young men were sick, but didn't know how to address their condition.
I asked this on another thread, and will re ask it and expect and answer. No Jo, are you suggesting that the mentally ill be rounded up and warehoused like they were prior to the 1970's? All of you who believe this need to re visit "Willowbrook" a special that was done on this very issue. It was HORRIBLE! In the old days, a husband could claim a wife was mentally ill, and she would be confined with no rights whatsoever. Is this what you want? During the depression, families dropped off children at state institutions because they could not feed them. Those children became institutionally handicapped. Should we go back to that? No. That is not the solution. The solution is to make mental health and physical health equivelent on all health plans NOW! We know so much more about the brain, there should be no difference made. We need to fully fund Community Service Programs: job sites and coaches, mental health social clubs, transportation, individual living sites and group homes...and that takes money. What we know for sure is that the more isolated a mentally ill individual becomes the more he or she deteriorates. In answer to your question: yes, that man thought himself to be rational and the rest of us crazy. That is what makes him mentally ill. But, I ask again...how much money are you willing to throw at this, because it will take money. In the interest of fair disclosure, I worked in the field of mental health for many years and testified in a case against a state for better treatment of the developmentally disabled. One more thing: by and large the mentally ill are victims of violence not the cause of violence.
Doctor No,
“It is time that we, as a society, come to grips with the fact that those who cannot make rational decisions about their lives must be cared for, even if it is against the or wills.”
So you now believe that government should be expanded to solve this issue.
Great – How do you propose to pay for it ??
You are right, No Joe--it is so difficult to balance the rights of the mentally ill against the rights of society in general and then when you add guns into the equation, it is a real problem. I think we would all agree that we don't want to warehouse them as was done in the past but are they better off living on the streets? Such a difficult question in every day lives and then when it spills over into tragedy in others' lives it is even more painful.
Wouldn't be surprised - she's already called for exactly that with autistic children so why would the mentally ill be off the hook!
Funny no mention of how it would be paid for!
One things for sure - she wouldn't be willing for it to come out of 'her' pocket!
I had a friend who was a diabetic, who, while he took his insulin, did not follow his diet. He got the flu, suffered 'cascade effect', meaning that all of his organs were overwhelmed, and he died.
All of us were worried about him, and his lack of care for his diet, but we could not stop him from eating what was bad for his health. He suffered, as did those who loved him, from his choices.
I have another friend who has a brother who suffers from schizophrenia. Before he was diagnosed, he drove his car into a tree in an effort to stop the voices in his head. He went through months of therapy, recovered his ability to speak and walk, and was put on a regimen of medications which are fully paid for by his insurance.
Nevertheless, periodically, he decides that he no longer needs the medication. As a result, he has been removed from the homes of family members and group homes. After his latest decision to stop his medication, he trapped a young woman in his apartment for more than twelve hours, refusing to allow her to leave until he had fully vented his frustration with her. He had never met her before he forced her into his apartment.
He was charged with criminal restraint, but the judge in the case released him, conditional to his enrollment in yet another group home and maintaining his medication schedule.
He recently decided that, once again, he was cured. The court has been notified by the operator of the group home, but the wheels of justice grind slowly, so he may not appear in court before he harms someone else.
Here in my own county, some years ago, a sox teen year old who had been expelled from his prep school for bizarre behavior raped and killed a nine year old- two days after a judge refused his parents request that he be involuntarily committed. They have a psychiatrist testify that he posed a danger to himself or others, but, in the absence of any overt act of violence, the judge's hands were tied.
Those who ignore their own physical ailments present a danger to their own health and well being. Those who are not competent to care for themselves due to mental illness present a threat to their own, and others, wellbeing. There is a difference.
What some call "warehousing", others call compassion. Is it more compassionate to consign someone who has a mental disease or defect to living on the streets, eating out of dumpsters? Is it compassionate to allow such people to decide that they no longer need their medications?
If so, it is a strange compassion, that does not recognize the consequences of forcing those not competent to care for themselves to make their way in the world.
no joe - thank you for speaking up about what you yourself have seen. We don't talk enough about it because most of us don't have any answers. We can only attempt to help those in our own little world.
Again, thank you.
Warehousing, no jo, is when you house large groups of people together in a room with a single bed and a footlocker and have 30 or more people on one ward. Warehousing is when there is no training for "staff" working with people who have very complicated diagnosis, but who never see a professional who can help them. Warehousing is levels of noise that you cannot believe, and no ability to find respite from it. Warehousing is no schooling for the young, nor job training for those of age. Warehousing is taking a tray of medications and just handing them to people, without knowing if they are supposed to be on the med, or what it does. Warehousing is checking for pinworms and then giving food or meds. Warehousing is families dropping off children and being told not to visit because it is disruptive. Warehousing is hell without hope, life without love, and no salvation. Warehousing is the most expensive thing you can do, with little redeeming value. I am pleased that my job history includes being brought in to improve the situation and close the large institutions down. If you want to do something that aids the mentally ill, look to funding community services.
newdayDAWNING10: I as well don't agree with warehousing. But I am glad this topic is being brought up and hope it continues. There are some things in this country that need full funding.
Mental illness is one of them.
What worries me Pat, is that the discussion becomes "getting those people off the street". If we could swing it around to funding Community Service, Jobs programs, we would do a great service to society as well as those we would help. You don't want to isolate people, you want them out and about, and that is the most difficult thing for the mentally ill and the developmentally disabled. Unfortunately, they don't vote in great numbers, and are the easiest to cut off funding for, and that is what happens.
NoJo
Just wanted to jump in and say thanks for the cut and paste yesterday. I'm on the dark side of seventy and all this tech stuff takes some getting used to. I can text my college age Grandkids now so I am slowly learning.
I don't think anyone actually read the post because yet today only the Sarah Palin target is of any interest. Thanks anyway.
newdayDAWNING: You have put a lot of thought into this and it shows. I agree with you 100%.
Newday, are you actually equating mental disease and developmental disability? If you actually do work in the mental health field, you know that there is a world of difference.
Those who have developmental delays or disabilities are not schizophrenic, paranoid, or in any way, shape or form a threat to themselves or society.
Only in the sense, no jo that both were treated the same way with regard to warehousing. But, there is also Dual Diagnosis. And you are right to make me clarify that.
I live with it daily, Pat.
In some ways I do as well newdayDAWNING.
We can no longer ignore this problem. We are daily chipping away at this Republic. Instead of saying "I disagree with President Obama, there are those who accuse him of "palling around with terrorists" that he is a "socialist, Marxist, Communist" or whatever multi-syllable word the right has learned that day, but cannot define. Those in the leadership of that party do nothing to stop the incendiary words. But they don't hesitate to express faux outrage when they are called on it. We do not need people aspiring for high office who think it clever to use cross hairs on Congressional districts, to call for armed insurrection against duly elected officials, but then claim to love and know the Constitution. Palin, Bachmann, and all of you who have participated in this language need to explain yourselves, and I do hope that reasonable media (meaning NOT Fox "News") demands daily that they come forward to be asked about this.
Plenty of people were equating president Bush to Hitler, and VP CHeney to satan.
Does that make it right? Absolutely not. But you don't get to have it both ways.
Speaking of crosshairs...how about the 2006 election when Harry Mitchell (D-AZ) showed JD Hayworth (R-AZ) in sniper crosshairs? Wow, Arizona and crosshairs...
Fox news pledges to tone down it's mud-slinging if the left does. That's like saying "I'll stop stepping on your neck if you stop grabbing my foot"
LoL And they don't even mean it.
Until FOX came along we really only heard the same tune from the then Big 3. Now it is hard for a independent to find any real Fair and Balanced report anywhere. Olberman, Maddow, Schultz, O'Donnell are just as partisan as Hannity, Beck, O'Riley. Any guest any of these people have on that they disagree with the end up talking over each other it reminds me of children on a playground. It is now never reporting the news it is opinion, spin, slant and argue. I do however try to watch Andrea Mittchell, and Chuck Todd as I find them putting out facts and are far far more civil to the guests. Chris Matthews I used to like but he has lost his mind, never shuts up, forgets what he is talking about as well as just constantly ignoring any side of an argument other than his own.
I will say today on this thread the tone has been civil. I notice mostly far left and far right and very few centrists. The will to compromise very rarely shown by either side.
I thought John Kerry as usual to be a statesman in his speech and he has proven in the past to be one who would compromise, but as he said there are less people in the Senate to compromise with. It will be interesting to see how things get done and who the players turn out to be.
Both parties have a lot of work to do in the coming months to sway the independents as the bases of both parties bases are dug in and unwavering.
What a rambling manifesto. Arizona, rhetoric, the Soviets, health care, Sputnik, George Herbert Walker Bush, filibuster . . . .
John Kerry wants oh so much to be a leader. It's clear he just doesn't have the chops for it.
Speaking of rambling JoAnna... Still? John Kerry's speech or manifesto as you call it was on point. Too bad he didn't carry Ohio I'm sure we would be in a much better place in our economy and global prestige than your mentor W. left us. I think I hear your Fox News calling for you.
@JoAnna ~ well, you certainly do. In fact, from now on, I'll call you LambChop.
Affectionately, of course. ;-*
I suppose George Bush did?
the real issues are population and economy. as long as our population continues to exponentially increase while established well-paying jobs get exported, the middle class will face continued inflation pains, and a sense that they are no longer the middle class. when the american dream becomes more difficult to attain, anger replaces true patriotism. the extreme ends of the political spectrum are always tapped into this; but the current economic debacle has provided tea partiers an opportunity to increase their support and their power within the republican party. i suppose my concern is that even if we overcome the immediate economic recession, we'll continue to spiral downward as the population grows and good jobs leave, and American's sense of comfort will continue to free fall. Remember, the original Tea Party was just the first step of a process that concluded with violence and warfare.....and not just violence against English soldiers, but against friends and neighbors who happened to be Tories.
Jeez, all I see are comments that are insulting and self serving. Insult a poster and position yourself for the gratitude of a like-thinking contributor to this thread. "I cannot understand why people on the right think the way they do..." and "I cannot understand why people on the left think the way they do."
It is amazing to me how differently people think, and what they use to support their arguments that they are right, and the others are wrong. I have a very strong opinion of one of the two sides, but am not going to share it because it will only cause the "other side" to respond with their version of why I am so wrong and they are so right. It is tiring and fruitless, unless of course, you're talking to those who agree with you. A never-ending vocal discord that has no victory in sight for either side. Useless, I would submit. Useless blaming, useless insults, useless claims, useless rhetoric, useless solutions....it is endless, and the disagreements remain in place unresolved.
I am only posting this to comment on the posts here, and the uselessness of them all. Nothing solved, nothing gained and nothing learned, and all because we are stuck with our own opinions and beliefs. Seems we cannot listen to each other, converse and come to agreements about what to think and what to believe. We just yak away and get angry and post an insult to make us feel better. "There...guess I told that person off."...after posting an insulting comment to someone with whom we disagree...and disagree a lot. I think this is how our politicians behave, they "debate" and insult and defame each other, and do nothing to solve a problem because that problem is viewed so differently by so many people.
How does one fix this in our politics? How can they agree.....CAN they ever agree. One major issue I wish they could agree on is how to rid our government of greed and corruption, completely. Is that impossible? I believe that if we get the greed and corruption completely out of gov't, it will solve 98% of all the problems in America.
Realistic, thank you for your post. I can only speak for myself. I am a Democrat who has no problem talking with Republicans. It's the teapartiers I am having great difficulty with. Great difficulty. I wish more leaders would stand up together in front of all of us and demand that this guns/revolution nonsense stop. Perhaps it is they who should have a rally. They have all said little to stop it.
A United America rally is what we need. This time with the politicians holding court. Some of their behavior has not exactly been inspiring for the past two years.
A very appropriate comment, Realistic. The level of rhetoric in our political debate is much worse than it has ever been. I have read many articles and their blogs since this terrible tragedy on Saturday and it is very troubling to read that a lot of the posters discussing this problem, are engaging in it at the same time.
Technology has provided a microphone for everyone and we all have a right to our opinion.....but many seem to lack the stability to have a reasonable debate without being insulting, demeaning or judging others for having opposing views. The problem is obviously not just a political one.
I admit to missing the days when people showed consideration for one another....like holding a door open, saying thank you or excuse me, and knowing when to apologize. Perhaps if these values were still embraced, this discussion wouldn't be happening.
Yeah but it sure does make for theater and it's also good for quite a few laughs.