Never thought I would say this, but, thank you Senator Kirk for doing the right thing!

Isn't it time to take a break from the war on women's reproductive rights and FOCUS on what you were sent there for?

Like J O B S?

What? Is it really true? FR makes a comment and doesn't get collapsed?

You must be slippin' FR.

I hope you keep on giving 'em hell!

another victory for the rights of women

You may not like to hear it but you can get testicular cancer screening at most Planned Parenthood clinics. This is part of a general health care service offered to men at Planned Parenthood.

For the prostate exam you may be asked to move your head.

Maxwell, these things aren't free; my tax dollars go to pay for them. And I thank God there are programs like Planned Parenthood that provide access to health care for those who really need it. I'd rather my hard-earned taxes go to help those in need than be redistributed to the wealthy like most of my tax dollars.

A win for America and unborn children everywhere!!!

Maxwell, you never heard of corporate welfare? Corporate subsidies? Corporate bailouts? I'm not rich by any means, but I paid out $8000 in taxes last year and I know for a fact that most of went to some rich corporate fatcat who needs it a helluva lot less than I do.

Maxwell's,

From the Planned Parenthood website-

Services offered at Planned Parenthood health centers vary by location. Some of the services include

• checkups for reproductive or sexual health problems
• colon cancer screening
• erectile dysfunction services, including education, exams, treatment, and referral
• jock itch exam and treatment
• male infertility screening and referral
• premature ejaculation services, including education, exams, treatment, and referral
• routine physical exams
• testicular cancer screenings
• prostate cancer screenings
• urinary tract infections testing and treatment
• vasectomy

Most of the services shown fall under the Mens General Health Care Services.

@ Maxwell - guess again, Dude:

plannedparenthoodDOTorg/health-topics/men-4285DOThtm Insert relevant replacement for DOT, Copy & Paste

Also, @Maxwell:

Thanks to "Obamacare", health insurance providers must cover all preventative care, including Pap smears, breast exams, physicals, well-child checkups, testicular cancer screenings, and prostate exams. You have plenty of options to get your junk taken care of, whether you are one of the lucky few who can afford health insurance or not.

@Precededbynone

okay...more reason we need not give money to Planned Parent hood....Obamacare is apparently going to cover it at actual doctor's offices and hospitals.

Maxwell's,

From the Planned Parenthood website-

"Breast cancer is a serious health concern. After skin cancer, it is the most common type of cancer in American women. It is a leading cause of death from cancer, too. About 200,000 women will be diagnosed with breast cancer this year in the U.S. and 40,000 women will die from it.

Breast cancer screenings, such as breast exams or mammograms, help detect breast cancer in its earliest, most treatable stage. These breast cancer detection tools can save lives. More than 9 out of 10 women who detect breast cancer early live at least five years — and many live much longer."

As to the services that you feel "they just apparently have not had a single person receive those services." Those fall under a larger umbrella heading and are not singled out for you to more easily understand. The fact that there are not more people taking advantage of these services is an indication that we need more funding for PP so they can get the word out to more people that these are available.

@Maxwell's:

Obamacare only works IF you can afford/qualify for health insurance. For those who cannot afford or do not qualify, that's where Planned Parenthood comes in. It helps if you read carefully before replying.

@VWTERRY

I'm not sure why you are talking about breast exams when my "not a single person" comment was clearly specifically pointed at the men's cancer screening that PPH has zero listed clients receiving in their summary of care given. 3,303 men did get vasectomies, which means 3,303 men knew they could get free services, and none of them got cancer screenings while they were getting snipped (756 women got their tubes tied...just trivia there)

People not taking advantage is NOT evidence that more money need be spent.

It could be evidence that people do not seek the services...more money will not change that.

But then you want the government to fund them, so it comes as no surprise that you want to spend even more.

@Precededbynone

No that is where Medicaid comes in. That is what Medicaid is for...for people who cannot afford healthcare. We should not be funding both Medicaid, and a private alternative to Medicaid.

If you want to cancel Medicaid, then I'll be willing to support funding back to PPH

Maxwell:

There are people who STILL can't afford health insurance and don't qualify for Medicaid. Also, there are people who can afford health insurance, but don't qualify (although that may change in 2015...). I would suggest you do a little research on the subject (you're kind of starting to look foolish...)

maxwells

its time to give it up dear, your not going to win this one..go have a beer'

I thought you get all the emergency room care for free has that changed? Not to mention all those wonderful tobacco taxes Obama passed for poor children's health care. I guess your telling me that never made it to the poor either. Better check Nancys pockets...

I suppose next your going to tell me that millions of folks are just dying out in the streets for lack of health care. Could you show me some real proof other then studies with an agenda?

Maxwell's (silver hammer?)

You are obviously a paid shill for someone that wants’ to keep the tax refunds coming to the corps that pay no tax to begin with and, oh by the way are making record profits.

We could eliminate just one or two of the above mentioned tax refunds for corps that pay no tax and increase funding for a group like Planned Parenthood that actually provides a service unlike the Republican party.

I think we should outlaw transferring any funding to any organization that professes any link to the Republican party under the patriot act as doing so is blatantly un-American and funds a terrorist organization.

Max, (can I call you Max?)

"Of course the President of Planned Parenthood also claimed they offer mammograms for women, even though they do not possess any machines to do them, and actually only offer the same hand exam you can do at home."

You brought up the mammogram issue.

The number of men utilizing the full scope of Planned Parenthood services is not broken down by every procedure available to them. Budget numbers seldom itemize everything.

I should have said that it MIGHT be evidence of the need for more funding. I think there is always a need to review programs and adjust to the realities of the present.

"But all this is an aside from my original comment...these are not things the Government is supposed to provide you. But then I tend toward the actual Constitution, and not the "progressive" interpretation of it."

"That isn't a hand-out, that is stealing less."

If you are a strict constitutionalist as you claim, then you do know that the constitution allows for the collection of taxes and as such taxes are not stealing, right?

Maxwell's - "Corporations are not people, they are companies comprised of many people."

I thought that the Supreme Court, via the Citizen's United ruling, decided that corporations were like people.

ghostmaker

You cannot be denied care in an ER, you can unfortunately not pay your ER bill when it comes even when you agree to pay what ever sliding scale they may or may not offer you at the time of care.

But then I tend toward the actual Constitution, and not the "progressive" interpretation of it.

So, then, you're pro-slavery, and don't think women should vote?

You cannot be denied care in an ER,

Technically that's only true for hospitals that accept government funds.

Maxwell's
"But all this is an aside from my original comment...these are not things the Government is supposed to provide you. But then I tend toward the actual Constitution, and not the "progressive" interpretation of it."

Does your "actual" Constitution happen to include the Preamble, which includes the phrase "promote the general welfare" ?

@ Maxwell's

"Corporations are not people", tell that to the supreme court. and as for not giving
the corprations your tax dollors. you bertter go look at GE, who got a $3.5
billion check from the irs.

Maxwell's, I'm a billionaire who still doesn't have enough money. I'm sure my friends the Republicans will be able to transfer more of your wealth (you and the rest of the Middle Class) into my offshore account! Keep working hard my friend for nothing is truly free in life unless you are me.

Fiesty Redhead as a clear thinking liberal registered democrat I would not call it a war on women reproductive rights. No one is standing over a women preventing her from getting knocked up. A women gets pregnant and decides not to keep it, the law allows her to have an abortion. Here's the rub, why should my tax money be used to fund an organization that would perform an abortion on that women who chose to have unprotected sex and got pregnant. Let her and the guy who knocked her up pay for the abortion.

Before you go on a tangent about rape, incest and the health of the mother, when it comes to rape and incest I would not be opposed to that being funded but I would imagine that is a small % of the abortions in this country each year.

If you are talking about the health of the mother perhaps a system could be set up for an outside evalution but I think most doctors who perform abortions could turn over any rock and find a reason to claim the health of the mother is justification for an abortion.

And to Tank Carson you sound like an idiot!

Jon Exner wrote: Let her and the guy who knocked her up pay for the abortion.

This is already the case. The federal government does NOT pay for abortions. This is not a tangent. Quit trying to deliberately mislead people.

Procrustes as the theory goes money is fungible, you can't separate the money that is used for abortions vs the other services they provide.

As for misleading people you do a pretty good job of that yourself.

Money may be fungible, but no one gets free elective abortions at Planned Parenthood. Women do not simply walk in and receive free abortions. They must write a check. So fungible or not, whatever monies were used for the procedure, that money was replaced by the patient. Therefore it can rightly be said that tax dollars do not fund abortions.

This was never an assault on Women's Reproductive Rights, this was 100 percent about should the federal gvmnt be killing babies. ( though nice talking points. )

I am a pro-choice guy. I believe that an abortion SHOULD be between the woman, her doctor, and the father of the child. She didnt wake up and get pregnant all by herself, I think the man should have a say in it too.

I Do not think that Abortions should be used as a form of birth control. If your health is at risk, if you were raped, then that option should be on the table. ( my personal beliefs )

There is ZERO reason why the federal gvmnt should be giving money to a group that kills babies.

flip it around, instead of planned parenthood working with new mothers, lets say they get into the end of life care with seniors. They do wonderful things in with preparing to live out your golden years. but they also go Dr. Kevorkian ( forget how to spell his name ) and help seniors end their life due to illness, or they are just tired and want to leave this earth. When said senior wants to die, they help accomplish that desire. Should the Federal Gvmnt still give money to that group.

Id be willing to bet that almost everyone would say hell no to that. Same exact thing with PPH except that the baby never has a chance to accomplish their destiny in life.

Maxwell congress has the authority to pass new laws as needed to deal with situations not foreseen by the constitution.

"To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof." If you want the words from the constitution itself. The Constitution is not the sole legal document that governs us. Every bill that becomes law is equally valid unless it goes against the content of the constitution.

You don't consider access to inexpensive health care a right? You don't consider health care treatment in regard to reproduction a right. Go through through the constitution and show me the article limiting congress to passing legislation to a rigid interpretation of what is already present in the constituton. The founders knew the constitution as written could not cover contingencies they did not plan for.

I pay taxes too. Why should I pay any taxes that only support a state of semi anarchy in this country. Why should I pay taxes if only the very rich will benefit. Why should I pay taxes simply for liberty as you put it. I want a bang for my buck. I want a country that helps its citizens in times of trouble. I want a safety net so that if circumstances force a healthy person to stop working due to ill heath or a family crisis. Pay taxes to a government that does nothing to help the weakest and defenseless citizen. I'm talking about a citizen who has been born. I will go to prison for tax evasion first.

Wade, Tampa Florida I am not opposed to a womens' right to choose an abortion so let's just begin by calling it what it is termination of a pregnancy and yours and everyone elses' attempt at classifying this issue as reproduction rights is ludicrous. IT'S NOT ABOUT REPRODUCING IT IS ABOUT TERMINATION.

The moment of choosing to reproduce is when you have unprotected sex not after conception.

Jeremy, federal dollars ARE not funding the abortions planned parenthood covers. Those are covered if need be by private donation. There are times a pregnancy must be terminated. Abortions are only 3 percent of what planned parenthood does?

An embryo doesn't always attach itself to the womb. Sometimes it attaches itself to one of the fallopian tubes. Not only will a baby not come to term there. It will put the mother and the baby at risk.

Suppose a teen is raped by her father, or brother, must any woman deliver the baby of her rapist? Must any woman continue a pregnancy that could kill her?

For the record I do not like abortions, I never have. I do not want to see an abortion as the first birth control option. I will not tell a woman she has no right to an abortion if her pregnancy puts her life at risk, or she has been raped.

Joe Exner are you mind reader? The post you responded too had not even been posted yet. The post above yours only briefly covered reproductive health and said nothing about abortion.

@PROCRUSTES

You can pretend the government doesn't fund abortion...but it is just smoke and mirrors. The govt gives planned parent hood money to pay for "non-abortion" things...like the building the abortions take place in, and the salaries for the doctors who conduct the abortions, and electricity that allows the lights to remain on in the abortion room....

But no...technically the government doesn't fund any actual abortions....they simply make sure the PPH clinics have enough money from the government so their 'other' money is adequate for them to afford to perform abortions.

And yes the funds are seperable Joe. Not one cent of federal tax money goes to cover abortions at planned parenthood or any where else in the country.

Maxwell let me get this straight you are saying a clinic that gets federal dollars should not not raise money from private sources to cover abortions which no taxpayer pays for?

Jeremy, for most of the women who seek an abortion. The event is a tragedy. Not a happy occasion. They know killing the fetus means they will never be able to hold it as a baby. Men need to stay out of a woman's decision to terminate a pregnancy. Women are not idiots they know full well the consequences of an abortion

Wade,

You obviously did not read what I said, since your last sentance said the EXACT same thing I did about Abortion.

I disagree with your 1.43 comment though. It takes two for a baby to be created,a nd it should take two for the decision to kill that baby. I know someone who went through two abortions. BOTH times it was used as birth control after an OOppss.. Both times it was with different men, and ZERO protection. She didnt learn the first time, didnt learn the second, and I expect her to do it again IF she has another Oops. She doesnt want kids, but will not take the precaution when having sex.

That is NOT what abortion should be used for. I really dont care if PPH puts the federal money in a different account used for other things they do. They preform abortions, therefor they should not get federal money. Period. No questions asked, no asterix, ZERO federal funds.

After watching my aunt take nearly two years to die after her cancer diagnosis, I decided one thing. I am not going to die of cancer under any circumstances. I told my mother and father about my decision 7 years ago. My mother feels the same way about cancer. There is no need for Planned Parent Hood to offer induced death planning services There is the hemlock society of Florida. http://hemlockflorida.org/

Should not and will not are two different things Jeremy.

I am not wrong about 1.43, Jeremy, many women mourn the aborted baby. In Japan where abortion is the primary birth control, there are shrines where women go to offer maternal love to the baby they had to terminate. If Japanese women are that attached to their aborted unborn, is there any reason American women will be less so?

Read some of my other posts. While I don't like abortion, I will not stand in the way of a woman getting one, even if the baby would have been my son or daughter.

As long as Planned Parent Hood separates the funds Jeremy they are in compliance with federal law.

And if a handful chose to use abortion as the primary method Jeremy, the vast majority who do not must not be punished for the infractions of a few. Don't punish the whole for the actions of the exception to the rule.

For anyone who is interested here is a link to an article that discusses Japanese Shrines to the Unborn.

http://ncronline.org/node/1462

Tank Carson is being sarcastic I think. And the sarcasm is bothering more then one conservative. Great post Tank. If you really are billionaire Thank you for being honest about it.

@WADE

I'm not saying PPH shouldn't raise private funds.

I'm saying it is a joke to pretend that the federal funds PPH is given doesn't help them afford to give free abortions.

If the Gov didn't give them any money, they would need to use their private donations to pay for the things the gov pays for now...which would mean they wouldn't be able to afford as many free services, such as abortion.

EX:

If I gave you $100 and told you you can ONLY buy food with it...you still have an extra $100 in your budget. Since you were going to eat anyway, you now have an extra $100 from your paycheck to buy 30-year old single-malt scotch that you couldn't afford before. Of course I can claim not a single dollar I gave you went to buy alcohol...but without my money, you wouldn't have that bottle of scotch.

Like it or not Maxwell PPH is in compliance with the law. If they are using private donations, as well as the amount they charge the full amount to women who can pay, then this not about insisting that women pay for abortions with non tax dollars which PPH is doing, but the abolition of abortion all together.

Don't punish generations to come because you cannot tolerate the idea of an abortion. Sometimes a pregnancy comes down the survival of the baby or the mother as I have pointed out in other posts. Sometimes it is the result of a crime, and the expectant mother will be harmed emotionally or physically by an act she did not agree too. I would prefer other methods of birth control were used. How if a woman deems it necessary to have an abortion I will not stand her way.

What relevance does does your example have except to say that people should not even be allowed to pay for abortion with their own money?

I never said, or implied, that PPH was breaking the law.

I can tolerate abortion. I do not seek to have it outlawed. I just don't think the government should be helping to fund private groups that hand them out for free. Let the private groups find funding on their own, and they can hand out all the free abortions they want.

Also, you have completely mischaracterized my example, or completely missed the point. My point is that you can claim the money is separate, but it never really is. PPH has costs, and funding. Funding from the government frees up private funding to abortion. If the government cut funding, there would be fewer abortions, because PPH wouldn't have enough money. Ipso facto the govt funding enables PPH to conduct some abortions.

The federal government does not fund abortions at PP or anywhere else. If you want to re-negotiate the Hyde amendment then we go back to ground zero and federal funding of abortion is back on the table. You do not get to start renegotiations from the current compromise position. Abortion funding comes from private donations and fee for service. Federal funding goes for exams, std treatment, pre-natal care, and birth control. None goes to providing abortions. Please, get facts before you spout the spin of the anti-abortion lobby.

Then I don't understand your opposition to federal funding for the non abortion things does. Are you saying the only way you would support PPH is if they did not offer abortion. Or are you opposed to the federal funding they receive period?

Maxwell, When I get 15 dollars from my mom to buy groceries for her I am spend her money not mine. Same thing with PPH not spending any tax dollars on abortion. They are keeping the money separate by charging the woman involved for the abortion, or using private donation money. Why are we even having this discussion if you have no problem with abortion.

Your numerous posts seem to suggest the opposite is true. Based in what you have written previously I think you have a major problem with abortion. Either abortion is an issue for you, if that is the case it is your right to post. If it's not the mind, your own business and move on. It's that black and white on. Do not expect me to believe you have no objection to it and yet you have a problem with how it is funded. It's not logical.

I do have major issues with abortion. I don't like it. However I understand the reasons a woman may have to have one. For this reason I will not stand in a woman's way if she needs one.

It would be job killing if Planned Parenthood lost funding. That's 90% of what they do according to Senator John Kyl. Lucky for the Republicans it didn't make it past the Senate or they would have some explaining to do, killing jobs ;-)

steve ...we also got all those repubs on the record for wanting to punish women

that's very sick and not hummorius at all....

Maxwell's - vwterry points out a couple of things Planned Parenthood offers that would probably benefit you and other GOP/ Tea-baggers:

• erectile dysfunction services, including education, exams, treatment, and referral
• jock itch exam and treatment
• male infertility screening and referral
• premature ejaculation services, including education, exams, treatment, and referral

Maxwell's, you're all set!

eyes abortion is 3 percent of what planned parent hood does not 90 percent. In addition to reproductive issues PP also covers diabetes.

Well said grandest of Moffs.

Grand Moff

It was part of their agreement last week to allow it to go to the floor as a stand alone resolution.

I dont believe in any Religion. ..

People just need to use abstinence until they are ready to have a baby. Abstience is free! Go to a regular doctor for check-ups; the government already has a program in place to help pay for that. Doctors do not get federal funding, so why planned parenthood?

People who promote abstinence are people who can't get laid.

Lucy,

I say. if you want an abortion whether married or not Use your own money to pay for it. Not tax payer dollars...

Steve,

You keep saying federal monies are funding abortions. I don't think that statement means what you think it does.

OMG, Steve-505729... what are you not getting??? Due to the Hyde Ammendment -- federal dollars are NOT allowed to be used for abortions. It's been law for about 30 years. So could you please stop using that tired mantra of 'not tax payer dollars'?

say. if you want an abortion whether married or not Use your own money to pay for it. Not tax payer dollars...

Steve, HYDE AMENDMENT PROHIBITS TAX $ for Abortion. Plese stop lying to evryone on here or prove TAx $ is used. Your argument is not valid. FAIL

Steve federal monies aren't used. Being a man I cannot imagine the full scope of emotion a woman must endure when she has an abortion. I know that most American women do not resort to an abortion as primary birth control. As much as I dislike abortion I will not stand in the way of any woman getting one. Even if I am the father of the unborn child. This is a deeply painful decision for many women, I will not add to a woman's pain by placing any more obstacles in front of her.

Well, I'm an American and I would rather my tax money go to help out those in need than have it go to subsidize corporations through corporate welfare and uneeded tax breaks. But hey, thats just me.

if you think "other people's problems" are not your problems; then you are way out of touch on the human condition. As Einstien so eloquently put it:

It's all relative.

Hmmm typical Religious Right response, let's forget the teachings of the Bible. The Golden Rule -do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I'd prefer to help others and when in need, have others help me. I'm so glad to see those good Christian values coming out in the Religious Right.

So michelle, you aprove of killing babies...don't see that in the bible. But you go ahead and "prefer to help others and when in need".

Nobody is 'killing babies', and that has no relevance to funding for Planned Parenthood. That's just right-wing propaganda, pure and simple.

Abortion is legal, it is not murder, and is not funded by the government anyway.

Cutting funding for Planned Parenthood is simply a radical, right-wing strategy by selfish, warped, religious zealots to deny women access to perfectly legal health care.

Actually, JFK, the bible is full of incidents of killing babies. God even wanted Abraham to kill his own son Isaac. I wonder what Isaac thought of his Dad (and God) about that? What about when Joshua orders the Israelites to kill every living thing in the city of Jericho? That's in your bible. A great and moral guide ... I don't think.

Oh we admit we got em Special Ed. We usually get them from conservatives.

You really should get your own sanity checked if you think that Democrats want the country to be in debt.

Restore fiscal sanity VOTE for a Tea Party Patriot in 2012 ALL the dysfunctional leftist crooks in Washington need to retire

Got candidate? Go ahead, nominate your leaders Michelle Bachman or Caribou Barbie and watch how fast the Tea Buggerers fall. Teatards are nuts but they will definately be your best entertainmenmt value in 2012

BTW, getting the budget balanced will take 20 years or more. Just sayin....

Sorry, but you guys are going down, John Boehner is going to lead your Tea Party to a table in the back of the bus. Just wait and see........

@ Madison, Where were you for the eight years of Bush and Cheney hiding under a rock. I would rather see my tax dollars go to help fund planned parenthood and those less fortunate than I, instead of filling the coffers of greedy corporations.

The democrats simply are UNABLE to turn off the MONEY FAUCET

False. It was the Republicans who got us into the 14 Trillion dollar debt. Most of the "huge debt" that Obama put on us is actually interest from the debt that Reagan & Co started. The remaining is from the recession.

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Restore fiscal sanity VOTE for a Tea Party Patriot in 2012 ALL the dysfunctional leftist crooks in Washington need to retire

You have no evidence WHATSOEVER that your "Tea Party" deities will fix the budget. You have yet to state a single idea for how to fix the deficit problem. All your post contains is an advertisement.

Your move, Madison.

The GOP didn't get us into the 14 Trillion dollar debt...and the debt started being accrued LONG before Reagan.

and we don't know what the TEA Party will do....if you believe their claims, whatever they end up doing specifically, they will be cutting a lot of the federal budget away...and if you believed Obama's claims, you have no reason not to believe the Tea Party claims.

"Anyone understand why Planned Parenthood is such a sticking point with Reid and Company?"

If you don't understand by now, you'll never get it. Try talking to your mother, or your sister, or any female friends (if you have any).

The GOP didn't get us into the 14 Trillion dollar debt...and the debt started being accrued LONG before Reagan.

v=P1bZ-TiX8rA Facts. Get them.

and we don't know what the TEA Party will do....if you believe their claims, whatever they end up doing specifically, they will be cutting a lot of the federal budget away...

They may cut the budget, but they will destroy Social Security and Medicare. Is that what you want?

and if you believed Obama's claims, you have no reason not to believe the Tea Party claims.

Explain plz.

I see that I replied to the wrong person on my first reply.

Thus, I will say this: Shaking my head knows NOTHING about the matter. Money that goes to PP does NOT go to abortions.

Richard, I teach school. After meeting some of my kids parents I believe spending a few dollars on Birth control is a lot better than spending it on youth detention centers, prisons and foster parenting.

Very well said!

Please educate yourself on what Planned Parenthood actually does. Arguing without facts only makes you look really really really really dumb.

It is illegal (according to the Hyde Amendment) to have taxpayer money pay for abortions. As such, none of the money that goes to PP goes to abortion services.

There are women who depend dearly on the medical services that Planned Parenthood provides (like cancer screenings). Don't you think there are better places to cut money from than this?

Stop the BS that this is an attack on women, Planned Parenthood is a failure and an attack on the tax payer.

Actually Richard, Planned Parenthood is a very effective way to get health care to lower income women who need it. I believe you are just ticked off because every dollar that goes to this wonderful program is a dollar of wealth that does not get redistributed to some rich fucquer.

E -- The conservative movement is not attacking women. That is too narrow a view. The conservative movement is attacking you, me, the unborn, our neighbors, our cities, our states, our nation. To the conservative movement, 'life and death' issues are matters of 'dollars and cents'. 'Death for dollars', what a slogan!!

Well, think of it as the tax payers who support Planned Parenthood's money going there. Your money goes To tax cuts for the very wealthy.

Wow, Faux news really does do a great job of hammering home complete falsehoods into their viewers brains.

For the 1 millionth time, Federal Money is not used for abortions. That means your tax money isn't used for abortions. Got it?

Somehow I get the feeling Gary K still doesn't get it.

f you can't control your self why am I on the hook. Of course I'm on the hook either way. Regardless I don't want my money going to abortion. Ok let's hear it.

HYDE AMENDMENT IS LAW. Please prove that TAx $ used for abortions......because its not. I will be waiting for your evidence.....what ? no proof? Oh well, just another misinformed GOPer going with the John Kyle school of lies

Gary

www.nrlc.org/ahc/HydeAmendmentText.html

get your facts right

Such hypocrits! I wonder how many of their wealthy, christian republican daughters have had "under-the-table abortions"

Gary-- It's also not even a matter of "control". Sometimes condoms break, or the pill doesn't work, and of course there's old-fashioned rape. It's not even about abortions though, since your tax dollars don't actually go to fund those. It's about basic health care for women AND men who have no other options. If we got rid of these services and left the lower-income or people who have been denied insurance to fend for themselves... what kind of country does that make us? No better than a 3rd world country. Don't you think America is better than that?

You must've gone to the John Kyl school of fact checking.

Maxwell

when your prostate gets the big C dont blame Planned Parenthood

Maxwell what your posting are lies. Either first hand which is bad, or second hand which is worse. Clearly transparent lies will win No one over except those who agree withyou. But if it makes you feel good go at it. I have yet to see a news source that cooberates anything you posted. So far all I have seen are posts I can rip to shreds by fact checking them.

Wow, you conservatives are dense! And deaf

Oh, but I hope they continue this assault and culture war re-hash on Women via the Planned Parenthood angle. Bring it on. Every time a GOP/Teafreak opens their ugly mug on this issue is another batch of women voters who will vote Dem in 2012. Thanks GOP! Keep it up!

That deafness and denseness is how Repubs get elected. If conservative voters were capable of being informed, the GOP would be DOA.

Case in point: after how many times the fact of the Hyde Amendment's prohibition of federal funding for abortion has been pointed out, the same people keep repeating that "I don't want my tax money paying for abortions" line.

Fingers in ears, nanananananananana.

i am all for supporting victims of rape.

I would support the following solution with my tax money:

Go to the ER, tell them you were raped. You get a free exam, STD screen, police rape kit, and a cheap RU486 pill if desired.

If you choose to wait weeks, where the pill isn't an option, then you made your decision to keep the kid.

OF COURSE, there is the fact that

most patrons of planned parenthood are not rape victims seeking aid.

That pill is very harmful to your body. There are many cases that it is ineffective or only half way executes the process. Definately not the answer. It can lead to many other problems.

You have every right to your opinion. But just remember what that is.... your OPINION. If you don't want an abortion... don't have one. Find something productive and positive to do. There are bigger things in this world to get all wound up about. We are here to do the best we can, focus on ourselves, help each other and never judge. Let it go... Or it will eat you up.

an Abortion is very harmful to your body too...can be ineffective, and can lead to much greater problems...

Also the pill cannot be "half-effective". It either causes the termination of the pregnancy or it doesn't. There is no "half".

I'm not wound up on this.

I simply don't think the government should be funding companies like this. yes, that's my opinion. If you want an abortion, go get one...or three...but don't ask me to pay for any them.

I'm sure Maxwell does support victims of rape. He holds their head so it doesn't strike the bar when the roofie kicks in.

That was not intended as a statement of fact. It was meant to illustrate Maxwells caveman attitude.

simply don't think the government should be funding companies like this. yes,

Yeah, right, where is your outrage at NASCAR, and Oil subsidies. Or funding contractor (killers) like Halliburton and Blackwater. But I guess Corporate welfare doesn't count?

The government doesn't fund NASCAR...the Army pays to advertise just like they pay NBC for TV spots.

I don't like oil subsidies...I think we should stop paying oil companies for the "diminishing inventory" on the oil that they are selling...the oil company knows there is a limited amount of oil at the bottom of each well when they start drilling.

As far as halliburton and blackwater...there is so much fraud there I don't even know where to start complaining...

Max

I don't want to pay for your three trillion dollar war in Iraq, now that's a legitimate argument.

Not preventative care provided by Planned Parenthood.

I generally support Planned Parenthood, but I don't want to pay for study or treatment of erectile dysfunction. I don't want any government money spent on erectile dysfunction medications or devices. The maker's of vacuum devices for ED advertise that Medicare pays for their products. I am paying for some old guy to get an erection. Let's stop paying to produce erections and maybe there would be less abortions.

Maxwell's: Can you not get over the fact that your tax dollars ARE NOT FUNDING ABORTIONS? We've already broken it down for you, kindergarten-style, I'm not sure what else to say to make you understand... You must be one of those types that believes just what he wants to believe, hears just what he wants to hear, and argues just for the sake of trying to appear knowledgeable and superior.

Also, I know several men (fellow peers who cannot afford insurance but don't qualify for any other federal aid) who have received several of the services you claim that PP doesn't offer. You really just don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you?

PreceededByNone, Maxwell thinks that federal money for services not related to abortion is the same thing as enabling them to perform abortions for pay when they are paying for nonrelated reproductive or medical services. I don't see private clinics stepping up and doing what PPH is doing.

Hyde Amendment.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+the+hyde+amendment%3F

Rick = Fail.

And that's a fact you can take to the bank.

Just as there is no evidence (that means proof) that federal monies fund abortion(on an elective basis).

No federal monies have been spent on abortions since the Hyde Amendment was passed in 1976 prohibiting such funding. The Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortions.

The argument for people crying about tax dollars being used for abortions, is moot.

No one on here knows what federal money is being spent or how much you only know what they choose tell or show you any can make up numbers. Even if there is an amendment it does not mean tax dollars are not being funded to PPH, here is the thing we send money to foreign countries..billions...I could careless if they are funding PPH, how about we stop funding foreign countries. PPH provides needed services. How about the Rep and Dems take pay cuts if they are so worried about the budget.

Rick

not that you care for the facts but here goes anyway........

www.nrlc.org/ahc/HydeAmendmentText.html

For all of you liberals who are concerned about PPH, did you ever hear of personal donations? You keep saying that tax dollars don't pay for abortions, but if federal money is going to PP, it's hard to see how they can not be indirectly supporting abortions since the money is going to be used to support facilities and personnel costs. I myself don't have a problem with paying for abortions since it is a better choice than paying to support the child. Why do liberals always frame things as a right though? This issue has nothing to do with a woman's reproductive rights, no matter how many times you say it. Also, quit blaming everybody else for your problems, your taxes don't pay for the money not taken from somebody else. You complain about corporate bailouts, which is surprising since your hero Obama was in on that. You talk about cruise missiles paying for PP, but it was Obama who sent hundreds of them into Libya. You want to claim the moral high ground, but you want everybody else to pay for it. Those who don't share your moral views are demonized, they must be less human than you, their views are just misguided, because only you liberals have the correct view point. You are just as bad as those on the opposite extreme, you just can't see it!

Nice evasion Realist. The only reason Obama went along with not increasing the taxes on the wealthy in December, was because the GOP in the senate threatened to not pass anything else including extended unemployment benefits. Who says that rights are only valid if they are in the constitution. Your post is better written then many conservative postings. It still falls apart because you are unwilling to accept moral rights people have grown up with. I can tear your post apart sentence by sentence by fact checking everything you posted. I will be happy to if you insist.

Who cares, we should all know by now the Govt does not follow rules all the time.

Be fair. A lot of people are opposed to abortion, and are not going to murder an abortion doctor, or going to join a mass cult or even a mass religion. They may not even be inflammatory or outspoken about it. It may just be something that they believe, and quietly, and have a perfectly rational reason to do so.

People have their views on why they do or do not, believe in the process of an abortion, and the circumstances it is acceptable in. It does very little good to be inflammatory to someone that you disagree with on the subject, because in the end, you likely will not change their mind. You will only upset them, and upset yourself,and end up nowhere different.

Rob- Where do you get the idea the GOP wants to force unwanted pregnancy? And moral high or low ground is not an issue. Roe v Wade sets forth a woman's rights with respect to an abortion but it doesn't say American taxpayers have to pay for that abortion. If you can't pay for an abortion but want one anyway then I'm supposed to pay for it? What if you want a new car but can't afford that either? I'm supposed to pay for it?

Get real.

It is already the law in this country that taxpayer funded abortion is illegal.....how much more illegal can it be made?

Senator Kyl made this issue crystal clear when he said Planned Parenthood spent over 90% of there budget on abortion......then issued a statement that what he said was not intended to be factual.

The GOP side is a bunch of comedians....you couldn't script this any better!

RICK. Read a book. Or just read the Hyde Amendment.

Or maybe you'd also like to argue that the sky isn't blue. I'm sure there's another forum where you can do that with other stubborn, cornered, lonely, frustrated men.

The GOP has been trying, in one way or another, to get Roe v. Wade overturned since the day it was signed into law. This whole dispute could be just another one of the underhanded attempts to chip away at a woman's right to her body. Whether or not that is true is uncertain, but the Republican party does have a history of trying to dismantle Roe v. Wade, and that is one of the reasons why those who support women are digging in here. We don't want Roe v. Wade in any danger. Plus we have the Hyde amendment, so it's not as if the Republicans have anything to worry about. I'd be willing to consider more of what the Republicans have to say if they could decide to leave the whole abortion issue out of all their platforms.

What services does the NRA provide to the general public?

Okay Rick O'de forrest, we get it. You don't want your tax dollars going to fund Planned Parenthood. Well, there are lots of things that are funded with my tax dollars that I oppose as well, and I would bet you would support them. I would love to pick where my money went, as would lots of folks. You better hope we never get that option.

Education. Same as Planned Parenthood but on a different subject. If you want to pursue that train of thought then why not have public funding for Alcoholics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous and similar things? Taken to its logical extreme the government should simply become a "single payor" for everything including your car payment.

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What's the difference? Why do we fund Planned Parenthood with our tax dollars but not the NRA?

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Because funding Planned Parenthood saves your tax dollars down the road? Hello? If all those contraceptives, cancer screenings, etc... were not done, do you somehow think that the people who went to PP for these things are going to miraculously get the money to cover the actual caregiving and medical needs of their child down the road?

Funding PP now saves money on all those social programs republicans despise. Hell, if the Republican party was really fiscally conservative, they'd be trying to increase PP funding, not decrease it.

Perhaps you have some pipe dream about how the gov't will eliminate all money for social services and people will fend for themselves. Are you going to be one of the ones complaining about the bums on the street, the rampant starvation, poverty, easily curable and preventable diseases that are flaring up all over again due to the lack of those same social services?

There are absolutely people who take advantage of the system. No two ways about it. I think we can all agree that that's a problem that needs to be addressed. With that being said, Republicans seem to cater to the idea that ALL people on Social Services are conning the system, and that's simply not the case.

Rick having children is not an addiction.

Why do we fund erection dysfunction treatment either through Planned Parenthood, Medicaid, or those vacuum devices through Medicare. If a man wants to get and erection and cannot, let him pay for it himself. Fewer erections=fewer abortions. Republicans should like that.

I wonder if Rick in the forest can see the trees....?

So we want more regulation now? If we do that, it costs money. How do we propose to pay for the time it will take to craft and enforce this bill?

Repojam> No more regulation is needed. Just stop giving taxpayer money to private organizations. Let them survive on their own. And yes...........I feel that way about government subsidies to any private organization. If an organization cannot fund its own activities you have to question whether there is an actual need for its existence.

They do that already, the abortion clinics are separate from the health centers. At least here in Florida they are.

Tedyboy,

That's what I've been pecking away at. If Planned Parenthood does not use federal funding for abortions, then what the heck are all these guys screaming about? What gives?

The federal funding will be used for uterus cancer screening...........does that get too close for comfort for these right-wingers?

You're right Rick. Just make it illegal to give funds to Planned Parenthood.

This might be a surprise, but the senate voted on this today.

Looks like funds still go there. They put your idea up for a vote. It lost.

Right and Im sure a few numbers will never be Transferred to the other.

I have a much simpler solution. Let's not fund any charities or private enterprise with tax payer money. Let those who like that organization donate to it... It's really a new concept.

Still got to admit its really slick how democrats get away with black genocide.

Black Genocide?? If I found out you impregnated my mother I would pray to be aborted to avoid having a loser father like you.

That is uncalled for GhostMaker. Attacking a race to further your point.