You are right Pat. Getting a bounce because of someone's death...somehow just doesn't seem right. Even if it is Bin Laden.

Pat, Boston, MA

In honor of all those who died on September 11th. In honor of all our military who died looking for him and his terrorist network.

It should have always been important. It should have always been a priority

Well said Pat

"You are right Pat. Getting a bounce because of someone's death...somehow just doesn't seem right. Even if it is Bin Laden."

Yeah, I don't think that was the point he was trying to make.

Well, the poll takers are quick that's for sure. I'm with you, Pat, I did not think about a poll bounce until the media started talking about game change, etc. I'm just enjoying that justice has been served to an evil, evil man.

I sat and watched George Bush on TV last night stammering and stuttering about how they could not find Osama and it just wasn't a priority anymore. He gave up and he failed. Simple as that.

Aggie - what I heard Obama say in his campaign was that he was for a "responsible withdrawal" from Iraq & Afghanistan. I don't see how you can equate that with "to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan the minute he took office". That is not the same thing at all.

Youre right Tim. There are some who are going to hate Obama just to hate him and will never give him any credit where he deserves it, just as there are some who will continue to hate Bush just to hate him and will never give him any credit either.

Well said Tim.

Teabagger, birther, Republican haters are just haters as well.

I see so much hate on both side that use this posting board.....

He/she who have ears, listen

He/she who have eyes, see

Many have harden hearts and can only spew hate, make hateful remarks about others making hateful remarks= pot calling the kettle black.

it should would be nice to see words of encouragement instead. I did not vote for Obama and will not vote for him, but everyone should feel proud of the decision he made to take down OBL.

This wasn't about the death of a man. This was about the completion of a task set forth years ago. You are simply focusing on the worst part of it, and that's too bad. His death doesn't really change much. What we've shown is that if you blow up our buildings, we will accomplish our mission in hunting you down, and delivering justice. Not necessarily the best policy, but our government has shown the world that ONE MAN is worth the life of over seven thousand Americans, tens of thousands of injuries and other deaths, the crippling of its economy, the devaluing of its currency, and for its people to suffer while over a trillion dollars are spent on the hunt for, basically, one man.

If we are this stupid to do all this for him (al qaeda), how stupid would we get if they took it to the next level? As the Japanese said after the pearl harbor bombing, "we've awaken a sleeping giant".

But the real question is, was all that worth bin laden?

Heartlight...What do you think Bush administration had planned..??? It's not a secret that Obama followed the Bush plan and path, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. And, yes, Obama did promise to get out of those countries, "end the war" as one of his first acts of business. But he did have to back pedal, as it wasn't/isn't as easy as he thought it would be. He was a wise man to understand and accept that and not endanger our troops by thinning the herd, so to speak, in one fell swoop. Thankfully he, AND Bush have scores of military, strategic, intelligence advisors to direct them.

Sort of like the Bush Haters. The Guy stopped and thwarted numerous attempts to kill Americans, from the left, NO Credit, Bush's actions and CIA get the

But yet, there you were giving Bush credit for Getting Saddam or giving him credit for Mission Accomplished when NOTHING had been accomplished and BUSH did nothing but 'authorize' actions.

And Bush 'intel' ?(chuckle)

Its the fabrication and exploitation of the 'intel' by Bush that got us into the IRAQ war in the 1st place . So sorry, your argument is weak on that point.

So what is it then, does a president get credit for authorizing raids that bag terrorists or not? If they do, then you have to credit BOTH BUSH and OBAMA.

Right?

You cant have it both ways, although you conservative windbags seem to insist that you should.

I have heard from some friends of mine in the JSOC command that it took Mr. Obama 4 months of waffling to be "forced" into this decision.

Good lord (lol). Another 'I have this friend that knows things' post where their buddy was thgere to hear it all. Total BS!

Yesterday it was 'I have this friend who was in that that Navy Seals unit'

Please...if its true, let us know who it is so we can verify. I wont be expecting a reply (chuckle)

To Jollyoldsoul----

In the statemnt below you do not tell the truth. No one in JSOC told you anything unless YOU are in JSOC!

"JSOC command that it took Mr. Obama 4 months of waffling to be "forced" into this decision. Something forced his hand."

I come from a military family and that is not how they roll. With top secret clearance you DO NOT blab to bloggers!

Now there.

Zath

I know you were just trying to be clever, and attempting to Mock Chilled post; but is this really something you would call ignorant?

But more than that, I'm proud that President Obama didn't decide to "move on" from looking for bin Laden. It was important to get this guy.

In honor of all those who died on September 11th. In honor of all our military who died looking for him and his terrorist network.

It should have always been important. It should have always been a priority

Let him enjoy this short respite, for during the next few weeks, the numbers will go down again. The American people are happy now, but with the pocketbook getting thin again, times will reverse.

Yeah, especially that GOP/Teafreak 'Kill Medicare' town hall tour that ain't going so well.

Aggie shows his complete ignorance. JSOC actives don't talk to anyone, including their parents. We have a son in SpecialOps. We don't know anything. It's idiots like Aggie who make it impossible to have a reasonable on-line discussion.

Pat: I can only agree with you, as like the rest.

It was paramount to capture or kill the one responsible for the 911 attacks made on innocent people.

Mr. Obama is making personal spectacle of it, but then he has a campaign to run. He did do what was expected of him. And that's a good thing.

A political "bounce" really wasn't what we all were looking for. Just closure. Nothing more.

It's called a "dead cat bounce".

Reliant-

I was mocking Chilled but I agree I should not have used ignorant. Maybe naive would have been better.

"Monday night’s poll showed that only 40 percent of respondents say they approve of Obama’s handling of the economy, compared to 55 percent who disapprove. That’s almost identical to the same measure last month."

That's the poll that really matters, and the 'bounce' from bin Laden's death is only temporary.

Jollyoldsoul,

it's one thing to try and steal the presidents thunder and claim that without Bush's "intel" this operation couldn't have been achieved, as laughable as that is. But for you to claim that your (imaginery) friends in the JSOC gave you information about anything has got to be the most ridiculous of many ridiculous claims ever made on this thread

There's more. . .

Newsweek/Daily Beast were doing their national two days before the news broke- they finished two days after, and compared the data "before and after"

Results? No bounce. Not much changed, except folks see Obama as more of a leader than before.

Still not voting to re elect him, either. Oh- and they see Bush as a better manager of the war on terror. Read here

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-03/obama-approval-numbers-after-bin-laden-kill/

Why am I not surprised that First Read focused on the one poll that now looks so much like an outlier?

Obama did not need any so called bounce before he gave the order to take out Bin Laden and he does not need one now. He is the Commander in chief and when they asked him if they should execute the plan at hand, I am sure he did not hesitate to give the command make it so #1. In other words when Obama does something to help the American people, he does not do it with the sinful purpose to gain popularity. This might be hard to understand, but Obama's real plan is to try to help this country as best as he most possibly can with what he is given to work with. If his actions happen to ruffle a few feathers of the GOP, and those who have been getting rich off the back of the rest of the American people, then so be it. Let him do his job and all we can do is back him up. I am sure that by the end of his presidential career we Americans will benefit from all that he has to offer.

Tell me what this same poll says in one week.

To all of you people that hate the constitution, and what the repubs have done to it, by letting illegal wire tapping. 95% of all wire tap applications were approved by the FISA court, without changing the constitution. Now that they have eroded the constitution, for this, what is next. By the way I'm very conservative, I don't like it when they circumvent the law, to justify what they did behind our backs. Osama Bin Laden is dead and so he should be Great job team six who ever you are, the pres didn't do this, all he did was approve what the Seals did. And that's all the praise the pres should get, nothing more.

Exactly. A bounce. Not a sustained gain, just a bounce. It will go as fast as it came when gas prices continue to rise, inflation keeps eating into our checkbooks, and unemployment remains extremely high. And all these because of bad policy in DC, headed by Obama. Nov '12 can not come soon enough so that we can give this clown the heave ho.

Joe,

You do realize that we have added more jobs in the last two years than the previous eight combined. That is even with Republican State Governments slashing and burning their employment roles. Gas prices are being manipulated by wall street and the OIL Industry huge GOP supporters!

You right wingers need to to be honest, How about this for your 2012 campaign slogan!

YES, WE MAY BE BETTER OFF WITH OBAMA IN the WHITE HOUSE,

BUT... HE'S BLACK!!!

That would be the most honest statement out of the GOP in the last 50 years!

spg64

Exactly right- the racists will never own up to their racism. After the long form

BC came out there were the bunch who claimed it was forged- another bunch of morons who then wanted his grades- he graduated from Harvard with honors- the birthers cheated on their GED's- but they need his grades- for what morons?

to make you feel even more inferior to hiom than you already do?

JD,,,i think maybe you should add a word to your newsvine handle,,,,JD Still "born" would explain your problems.

Aggie - your ignorance on the subject is unbelievable. President Obama promised to get us out of Iraq (which he is doing) and Afghanistan within a period of time that would not put our soldiers in danger. He is keeping that promise. He and he alone - not Bush - insisted that we make getting Osama Bin Laden top priority. And, he did. We owe our military, our intelligence group and President Obama our heartfelt gratitude. Nothing you say or lie about will change that.

That's nothing. If Obama had taken out an investment banker he would have gotten a 20 point bounce.

Abraham Lincoln would turn over in his grave if some of the Pubs on this site ever told the truth for just once without manipulating the facts 180 degrees like the rest of their Party. People are finally waking up to realize the Pubs have not changed and probably never will with their manipulative tactics. In the end you just lose the voters with those tactics. And re-reading the historical books would never help them. "There are none so blind as those who won't see!!"

This past Sunday's event never used any of Bush's plans, etc. If you recall correctly, Bush abandoned his hunt for bin Ladin to start war in Iraq for weapons of WMD's according to his resources (So much for those invalid resources!! Was his sole purpose to avenge his dad's attempted murder? Or was it all about the control of oil and potential profits for some in the Admin.??? Why else would they raid a place with no WMD's as they had been alerted by some legitimate officials??). Bush went as far to withdraw some of the troops in Afghanistan to fight the worthless and wasted war in Iraq. It was Obama, who pulled the vast majority troops out of Iraq and declaring the war was over. Imagine what it would have been be like for the Navy Seals last Sunday, if they had followed any of Bush's so called plans that led us into an invalid Iraq War of no WMD's. But then perhaps Bush was just the puppet of his own team members and didn't know any better. There's an old saying: With Pubs, you get wars, and with Dems, you get welfare. Well, neither are conducive to a stable economy when it is so completely unbalanced. However, besides just wars, the Pubs have added supporting the elite to their agenda for the past 20 years or more. Now Ron Paul is trying his best to expand the tax breaks even more for the wealthy as-well-as to make them permanent at the expense of cut backs for the non-wealthy. But then, that must be what the Pubs call fair and balanced!! It's okay for the trolls to collapse this post now, because I have better things to do than to waste anymore time on those with closed minds.

Obama does not have to worry himself with the issues of wall street speculators, that is why we have regulators in place. If the regulators are incompetent or are being payed off to look the other way, while the speculators continue to do everything they want to make a large profit by over boosting the cost of oil, well that is another problem all together. Blaming the high price of gas on Obama instead of the greedy speculators of wall street, is like blaming your father for your brother's drug problem. It is not only outrageous, but stupid as well. I am sure W. Bush would be proud to see his GOP friends stick up for him, after he told the regulators to take a break while allowing wall street to run amok for all those years. Todays speculators are nothing more than a bunch of spoiled brats, that got away with eating all the candy they wanted and misbehave without a spankig or even as much as a time out. Now everyone wants to blame Obama for the roten kids created by the last administration.

This spike did not surprise me at all, I would have been surprised if his rating had not gone up.

I agree, Ron. Way too early. Polls don't mean anything until a few days before election day--then they may give us clues but even those clues should not be taken for granted.

I think all the poll shows is that polls have a very limited use, especially this far out from an election. Encouraging news for the President, but like all polls, it's merely a snapshot of a point in time.

Where's the resident poll dancer?

Clotho: The "resident poll dancer" is well and living in Texas (lol).

Whoops....I meant my last response for Cathy.....sorry.

Just a dead cat bounce. That's all.

Where's the resident poll dancer?

Sorry, Sarah isn't running (couldnt resist)

Makes me wonder how much bounce he got off of the DUCK and the birthers that probably was just as high if not higher, seems like they are their worst enemies they just don't get it, they are consumed by their hate, I was always an independent but I just can't support people that are clueless GO OBAMA 2012

Ron Indiana

"lot more good things can happen for Democrats between now and election day, 2012. President Obama is taking care of business the way a President is supposted to do."

cheers! like reid forcing the conservatives to admit they want to rob peter (the public) to pay paul (the rich/corporations.)

great days ahead for us!

The republicans have only one candidate and he had no chance of winning.

All those waiting hope somebody beats them in so they won't have to campaign for nothing. They know they can't beat Obama. Three more bumps before Nov. 2012 and they can cancel the election.

VeeVee

You're one racist pos. Trump won't even run after the whipping Obama and the SNL guy gave him last week. They got him worse than the Comedy Central roasters did-without the racist and sex jokes. Trump was another draft dodger like cheney- 5 exemptions- then he lied about his number not being called- why lie about things that can be checked?

I guess because like you Trump is one pos.

Jim, wait, you don't have to tell me what word the "C" stands for after the "Jim".

But this event does negate any arguement that Obama cannot be a good Commander in Chief. No one is going to forget that he made the tough decision to send in troops rather than just bomb the heck out of the compound.

I think credit should go where credit is due, Obama actually stuck with his campaign pledge. I find it hard to recall when that acually happened. Osama is dead and I would have a party if that was appropriate. Maybe the 4th of July. I think George Jr. Put too much faith in what the Pakastani's said or did. I have always said that they were two faced liars and this just proves it to me. Maybe the President of Pakistan didn't know but the ISI did and I think they just wanted to the money. It is time we picked a side and I don't think the world could blame us. F Pakistan. They have shown their true colors!

Exactly. My question has always been "Who did they ask"?

The only poll that counts is on election day!

The rest is just crap made up by plagiarizing journalists to sell advertising.

I participate in several consumer surveys. The frustrating part is that quite often the answer options are limited and directed toward what they want the survey to report. Very limited choices creates deceptive results. Or the questions are worded in such a way that they get the answer they want... as in when a yes actually means no. Gets aggravating! Whether it's frozen dinners, soft drinks, or politics... the answer options should be more open.

2012 will be worse - the silent majority in this country has no confidence in the president to lead.

credit to him yesterday but one day doesn't make up for 2 plus years of pandering.

WOW, in one well put together paragraph; you went from how lousy obama has handled the economy and how Americans truly are being impacted/suffering TO "and yes...obama 2012". YIKES!

You like taking a beating and asking may i have another??? I just don't get it, why would anyone vote for "more of this"?

david-1102226..

Cause..

He inherited a nightmare that cannot be solvred overnight. Can you imagine where we'd be now if he had,'t bailed out banks, industry and the rest. Jobs come last, they are created last, they always do. How is it that with billions and billions of dollars the corporations are making they are NOT creating jobs. You can't blame him. Put the blame where it belongs. No...not perfect but better than what's out there now. For sure.

With GOOD strategies and GOOD leadership, these problems would have been resolved in 2 1/2 years easily. ie, GW Bush's TARP was a success, Obama's stimulus, NOT.(ie, his own admission says there were NO shovel ready jobs) Previously, the recessions avg'd 9 months. Now, we(our kids) have TONS of debt and almost nothing to show for it, inc 10% un-emp. At this point, simply saying, "Jobs come last, they are created last, they always do"; is a lack of accountability. After dropping Trillions, that simply no longer WORKS.

david-1102226..

With all due respect, there are some truths and half truths and some non facts in what you posted. Let's agree to disagree.

David, it also takes the work of both parties to solve the economic collapse--where have the GOPers been for two years, they said NO to everything, filibustered everything, then yelled "jobs, where are the jobs." The economy would be much improved had republicans been serious about governing and solving our problems together instead of being serious about hoping our President failed and doing everything they could to make it happen.

Quite simply, if the Republicans had not been the "Party of (Hell) No"; where would we be?

18,maybe 20 (probably about 25 T projected) Trillion in debt and still little to nothing to show for it?!?! Also, un-related, w/o their "NOs" it's looking like we probably wouldn't have got Osama.

No Thanks! (and I believe that is echoed by today's youth)

SO, "NO" is not always a bad thing!

David-

It took 8 years for George and Friends GOOD strategy and GOOD leadership to cause this mess and you seem to think it can be cleaned up in 2? If you don't think the stimulas was a success, tell me what would have happened if all of those financial and car companies had gone bellyup. Hmmmmmm?

David, that is complete BS. TARP was killing the markets until Geithner announced the P-PIP which made them rebound. Long before Obama came into office every economist in the land said the coming recession was going to be the worst since the Great Depression. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have turned that around in 2.5 years, let alone "easily". You clearly have no clue about economics. It is also the Obama administrations adjustments to TARP that have moved the projected cost from $300 Billion to under $25 billion (less than Reagan's savings and loan crisis) and will get a profit for taxpayers. And you do realize that "Obama's Stimulus", according to Moody's, IHS, the CBO, the Council of Economic Advisers, and monthly WSJ surveys of the ARRA has not only saved over 3 million jobs that would have been lost but also shortened the recession and stopped us from going into a negative GDP.

Obama haters just hate him. Its not about policy, its not about anything. They just hate him. They justify their hate with all this political B.S. Their opinions are really pretty empty...every line should just say "I hate Obama, I hate Obama"... They vote with their hate and not their heads...their votes shouldn't count...mostly just ignorant bigots..

America continues to be the racist nation that it is. This President has been scrutinize more than anyone in history. So you confedate flag waving fools, should look beyond the color of the skin. There is no financial issue in america, just the rich getting richer, so if you are white and poor, blame the rich rednecks like Donald Trump.

Oh thats precious, David.

Explain to me how you solve a systemic problem that had evolved over the course of thrity years in nine months. How exactly do you repair the housing market which was gutted through derivative trading and unregulated speculation of fiat currency? How should we fix an unemployment problem compounded by globalization and the decimation of the American manufacturing sector? How do you reverse our course over night, O Wise One, when our educational system is fundementally ineffective when we're slashing its funding and wholesale firing teachers to payoff corporate interests? You say Obama spent us into trouble... but praised TARP as "good" leadership; how does that work exactly? How much of the two wars Bush started were actually paid for prior? The perscription plan Bush introduced, how is that not socialism in your book? How would YOU supposedly turn our economy around in nine months as president?

The funniest thing about you talking out your hole is that in one breath you suggest that "With GOOD strategies and GOOD leadership, these problems would have been resolved in 2 1/2 years easily. ie, GW Bush's TARP was a success" then add "Previously, the recessions avg'd 9 months."

Do you happen to recall how many recessions we had under Bush? Do you recall how Bush handled said recessions (hint: a lot of checks were sent to taxpayers using bugetary surplus)? Did you ever wonder why we've had so many recessions in the last, oh, thirty years?

You barely understand the talking points your parroting, what makes you think you know so much better than the president and his staff. Oh yeah, that's right... hubris.

Ian, Conservatives simply cannot be bothered by any facts. The only economists and/or "advisers" they can hear are those whom agree with their pre-set notions. They will dismiss every other one (the vast majority of economists speaking that is) as partisan or wrong. The more you show them data, the louder they cover their ears and scream "I can't hear you". It's totally an exercise in futility.

There's even a plethora of social psychology research to show this confirmation bias as applied to all sorts of issues the conservatives love to believe despite contradictory information. (e.g., see the continuation of the crazy birthers)

Jody, Iowa

David, it also takes the work of both parties to solve the economic collapse--where have the GOPers been for two years, they said NO to everything, filibustered everything, then yelled "jobs, where are the jobs."

Amazing introspect on the issue. I recall that a Republican couldn't present a proposal to the Democratic/Progressive Party led House, Senate and White House. It was a closed Party with no Republicans available to attend the dance. Can't contribute if you can't go to the dance.

Get in line for your new Chevy Volt for your Obama Vote.

I know Dr B, but it is infuriating at times. An ill-informed populace is bound to fail. I don't agree with all of Obama's fiscal policies but I'm at least factual about what is working, what isn't and what experts are forecasting. This stick-your-fingers-in-your-ears and go "NANANANANA.." attitude coming from the right is getting us nowhere. I'd support any fiscal policy that made economic sense no matter the party it was coming from, but the fact is, the Republicans haven't submitted a single new idea in 20 years. They just poo-poo people actually trying to get work done. What's their current economic plans? More tax cuts for the rich and corporations (the largest of which do not pay a single penny in taxes as is because of massive loopholes) and deregulate more? I mean, really? That's nonsensical on so many levels.

DrB - Liberals simply cannot be bothered by any facts. The only economists and/or "advisers" they can hear are those whom agree with their pre-set notions. They will dismiss every other one (the vast majority of economists speaking that is) as partisan or wrong. The more you show them data, the louder they cover their ears and scream "I can't hear you" or "you are a liar" It's totally an exercise in futility.

There's even a plethora of social psychology research to show this confirmation bias as applied to all sorts of issues the liberals love to believe despite contradictory information. (e.g., see the continuation of the crazy chants on we have no financial problems, "their is plenty of dollars to go around" & "if the rich would only give us all of theirs")

IAN - ROTFLMAO! Wonder where the data went?

Ciewywtb42mh6sps-23, Hubris now thats a word. I remember the first time I heard it. Harold Washington said it at the end of a press conference. Y'know him,Chicago's first black mayor. Yeah well Harold had it pretty tough in Chicago. He was a straight up, reform kind of guy,that was getting no where because of 29 blocking votes(the 29) in city hall. See,Harold Washington was a Democrat but, the aldermen were" machine Democrats" and they didn't want him in. FYI, President Obama and Rahm Emanuel are Daley Machine boys,(they do so prosper quickly)and the newly appointed Bill Daley who is a "machine" co-founder. Harold Washington called the"29", "hubris" after a bill defeat press conference in city hall. Since most people do not talk like that,especially if you want to make a point to the mass public. A news reporter asked him what hubris meant? He said,"well they're hubris..ah.. they are mad with power". Harold only did this because he was frustrated and pissed off. He knew the reporters and his opposition would be running for a dictionary. Harold later confided that he had a "word of the day"desk calendar. Ciewy why don't you just come out and admit you are on the Dem's payroll, city job,DC gig? Because a person who is as intelligent as you claim cannot buy into the bulls--t that is this current administration otherwise. When given the chance to defend yourself you resort to name calling in true liberal fashion. Oh it's so beneath you to actually cough up the master plan of your one term messiah. Remember fool, Bill Daley's family screwed over the best chance that black people ever had at reform in this city,Harold Washington. But don't worry,the machine that's in Washington will make everything alright come 2012. Sounds like the back of your pants are flapp'n from to much koolaid, hubris indeed.

Brilliantly stated and oh, so true!

Boy you guys are all really butthurt that bin Laden got taken down on Obamas watch.

Too funny.

Just can't stand it can you?

Elizabeth, David, you two might want to read the blog post just before this one before opening your mouths and sounding like sycophantic Republican/TP Inc. fools.

Face it, this President is better than any Republican president we've had since Eisenhower. Grow up and get over it, in 5 years you can try capturing the White House again because it just ain't going to happen in 2012.

Oh we are glad that Bin laden is dead. and we think its Great the Warmongering President Obama used the Bush Polices to get him.

What i dont understand is why you are not mad that the Obama Death Squads killed an Unarmed man.. isn't that a bit of Excessive force (to you libbies) we are sure you would be screaming that if it had been a Republican President that ordered the shooting of an Unarmed man.

Yes Mattew. He is a Great Warmongering President. we like that about him..

Espeically the part about his Death Squads killing an Unarmed man..

"Oh we are glad that Bin laden is dead. and we think its Great the Warmongering President Obama used the Bush Polices to get him."

What are you a hippie?

'What i dont understand is why you are not mad that the Obama Death Squads killed an Unarmed man.. isn't that a bit of Excessive force (to you libbies) we are sure you would be screaming that if it had been a Republican President that ordered the shooting of an Unarmed man."

Collateral damage is a bitch.

In 2002 GW said he had no clue as to where Osama was and was not concerned and did not care. http://cursor.org/stories/binladenforgotten.htm So don't go and give credit to GW.....He doesn't deserve it. He abandoned everyone who died at the Towers on 9/11!

Just keep telling yourself that and magically it will be true. I suggest, though, that you do some fact checking. The CIA existed before Bush, the hunt for bin Laden existed before Bush.

The Obama administration ended enhanced interrogation techniques--that's fact.

This is beyond me--the right who made Osama bin Laden and 9/11 their political campaign slogan, now posting here about poor OBL being unarmed. Shame on you--over 3,000 unarmed and innocent people died at the hands of OBL and now I read here about concern that he was unarmed.

Matthew,

Oh. I get it. by calling me a liar You were also calling Obama and his Press Secratary and MSNBC Liars for claiming that Osama wasn't Armed. here i thought you were against me.

C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden

By MARK MAZZETTI

Published: July 4, 2006

WASHINGTON, July 3 — The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.

The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said.

The decision is a milestone for the agency, which formed the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."

The realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, intelligence officials said, and a growing concern about Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of Mr. bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html

The fact is, it is reported that OBL was armed and firing at the SEALs. Yes, GW does deserve some credit and if you listened to Obamas speech he gave him the credit he was due. Bottom line however is, Obama took the chance on the intel he had, Obama okayed the mission, and Obama determined it had to be a manned mission on the ground and not a 2000lb bomb so we wouldn't obliterate all the evidence to prove OBL was truly dead. That took a lot of guts because what if he was wrong. You're damn right he deserves the credit.

I believe his "bounce" will be short-lived. While I agree that Obama deserves some credit for bin Laden's demise (he issued the order after all) he needs to be careful here. There is no doubt that a lot of hard work and the policies put in place after 9/11/01 are also responsible. And there is no denying that Obama has opposed most of those policies from the time he was a senator. He opposed the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He opposed the existence of Guantanamo and the interrogation methods there used. And he continues to oppose funding our military and intelligence agencies at current levels. And he has vilified Bush, Cheney, Petraeus and so many others who deserve much credit for this outcome. This is not lost on most Americans and for him to claim too much credit will come back to bite him in the *you know what*.

I'll give him credit where credit is due though. Thanks Mr. President for giving the order. And thanks for continuing the aggressive policies of the previous administration in tracking down bin Laden (despite your rhetoric to the contrary).

matthew ref post 6.3 - oh, yes obama the great, better than any republican pres since eisenhower. You must be naturally stupid...

The + highlights...

Obama - Bring back osama dead or alive, Start ll treaty anything else is still pending waiting on reg changes, funding or court rulings.

Bush2 - Tax cuts to get us out of the 1999-2000 recession. Nation building/payback for 9/11 and the war mongering of saddam. Signed off on plans to fix our economy in 2008, remember economist said the recession ended in 2009.

Clinton - 1st president saying that a BJ in the WH was not sex. Admitting that he too went after osama bin laden. Worked with the republicans to decrease deficits.

Bush1 - Along with an arab and UN coalition kicked saddam out of Kuwait.

Reagan - Buffaloed the soviets into insolvency by making it seem that we had a viable "star wars" defense plan. Created a political attitude change with his 1980 election to shorten the iran hostage stalemate.

His most important contributions came from inspiring the general population to believe in America again, ie get us out of the malaise of the 70's and to be able to work with a congress controlled by democrats for at least 6 out of 8 years.

Carter - Peace between egypt and israel.

Ford - pardoned nixon

Nixon - shut viet nam down and ping pong diplomacy with china.

LBJ - Good intentions on the "war on poverty" Did well on civil rights legislation.

JFK - Inspired all Americans to work together for the common good and to win the space race.

In what matters, ie. to inspire all Americans to perform to their best abilities it looks like it was JFK and reagan that were the best since eisenhower.

Imagine that, one for the democrats and one for the republicans

"nation building"

Woa...that's a plus?? not a liability we're still paying for? You must be high.

Hey american-2051576,

Reagan was an awful president. He is the one who started this whole thing. H. W. Bush and Bush Jr. both have used the same "rich get richer, poor get poorer" Reaganomics policies that he had. For the last two decades it has been the Democrats who have had to curtail the Republicans war on America.

[Note: Democrats are corrupt. Nobody is questioning that. However, it is possible that one party can be more corrupt than the other.]

In Michigan-90, don't forget the "tax cuts to get us out of the 1999 - 2000 recession" claim. That is a talking point that has no basis in reality, but then, american-2051576 has no use for reality or facts. Just look at his list of 'pluses', most of them about the Republicans are simply not true. Especially the ones about Reagan and Bush the second. Jeez, he is such a fool.

Thank you all who jumped in and showed how Steve-505729 and american-2051576 are attacking me with more lies piled on their previous lies. Liars never know when to quit.

wntrfrdscntnt,

Yeah right Bub. How about the Obama administration talk about their energy policy and how it relates to higher gasoline prices. Or how about Obie talking about higher grocery bills at the supermarket?

Face it, when he talks about his administration policies, gas, food and housing, he is going to have a hard time. The pocketbook will rule the next election, with many people who originally voted for him having a change of mind in the next election. Plus, he's lied to the Latinos, the Gays, small and large business, and the public in general.

He could be in for a hard time, sitting Prez or not.

fishmail with the money spent surely you don't think that the state department doesn't want to do "nation building" as well? If the US didn't want to change the dynamics of the middle east why did we become involved in north africa?

In michigan...

so you think getting America to believe in itself is a bad thing?

You also seem to have forgotten that reagan had to work with a democrat controlled congress 6 out of 8 years and a partially controlled democrat congress for 2 out of 8 years.

Whatever economic policy reagan believed in got us out of the 80- 82 recession and inflation/stagflation because the democrat controlled congress also believed in the same policy.

My point is that without belief by the populace in America there will be no going forward.

mathew... You are telling us all that (since I am a liar)

In recessionary times you increase taxes.

It was wrong to pursue al qaida and to help afganistan boot out the taliban because they favored democracy and the taliban didn't.

It was wrong to help depose saddam even though he used WMD's on his own people and the iranians. Of course you must maintain that he never threatened using those same weapons on anyone else. Sure hope you are against our current policies in North Africa as well.

Of course we all know that major economic policy shifts take a year or more to manifest themselves. Or is that a lie also? Gee, by economist standards the recession ended in mid 2009. Who was prez in 2007 & 2008?

What part about reagan was a lie? That he had to work with a democratic controlled congress? That he buffaloed the soviets into thinking we had a viable star wars plan? How about the general morale of the american people increasing after his election. That he inherited the 80-82 recession and brought us out of it.

So where are the lies?? So far you have attempted to dazzle us with BS.

safecracker -- the president sets the direction, congress legislates, the president either signs off or will veto; but you know this, "right?" we have financial reform, but did you know the conservatives had put a stop to financing the ability to enact the reforms. you know this "right?" because if you did, you woldn't be blaming this on obama, but congress as well, "right?" when tart happened, gwb told dthe institutions they didn't need to roll that out to the public ... you knew that, "right?"

your conservative public servants are hoping you have no idea how the government operates so when they come home to their constituents, they will blame the president for their inability to do your bidding, knowing you will, in turn, blame the president.

it's like the birthers. the conservative public servants hoping and knowing the public wouldn't know the presdiential vetting process. ergo, racists hanging on a very, very thin thread.

so when the eyes are wide open instead of wide shut. then, let's talk... "right?"

Ahh, more bumper sticker slogans and Republican/TP Inc. talking points from american-2051576. The shallowness of your statements reveals a distinct lack of education and critical thinking skills.

Yes, taking into consideration all economic factors (which you are too stupid to do), raising taxes during a recession can be the correct thing to do, especially when there is a revenue shortage. In fact, 8 months after Reagan's first tax cut, he raised taxes because the recession started to accelerate and even his Director of the Office of Management and Budget (David Stockman) called their tax cuts in 1981 disasterous. In fact, Reagan lowered taxes once in 1981 and then raised taxes 11 times over the next 6 years of his presidency.

Not sure what the he11 you are talking about with al quida and the Taliban statement. It is such a twisted statement with no logical progression it isn't even worth trying to address. This is further proof of your lack of education and critical thinking skills.

Yes, it was wrong to invade a country that posed no threat to the US. As has been proven by several investigations, there were no WMDs at the time of the invasion (you talk about what was used in the 80s in their war with Iran and is therefore irrelevant), and so any threats he made were moot considering he had no WMDs. In addition, the Bush administration knew this before they invaded and lied to Congress and the UN to make their case for invasion.

Making a blanket statement that all major policy shifts take a year or more to manifest shows a distinct lack of education in economics and government policy. And to credit any Bush policy for 'ending the recession' is just blatant stupidity. It was policies that the Fed and Treasury started enacting and Bernacke(sp?) continued that started the move out of recession, a bit of a natural economic cycle and the stimulus that was passed in early 2009 that started to slowly bring the 'recession to an end' at the end of 2009 and even then did not even really pick up steam until the middle and end of 2010 once the stimulus money started flowing faster.

In addition to your Reagan tax lie I outed above, Reagan's belligerent stance actually prevented Gorbachev from implementing perestroika and bringing down the wall sooner. As it was, if Reagan's blustering caused the wall to come down, why was it more than two years after his 'tear down this wall speech' before the wall came down? If you knew anything about history, you would know that Reagan actually delayed the reforms in Russia by empowering the Soviet hawks in the Politburo who could point to this belligerence and scare the Soviets away from reform. Grover Norquist would be so proud of you for learning his lies so well that you can parrot them at will.

You might want to try stopping trying to prove you are not a liar, you just keep stepping deeper into the pile of excrement you are spewing. What is it like being a paid troll and spewing lies on here every day, american-2051576? Are you paid well? I know that my ethics would not allow me to come on and spew lies every day, no matter how much they paid me. Then again, it may just be that you are an uneducated, stupid, lying fool and not paid at all. Which is it?

P.S. The Bush tax cuts that 'ended the 1999 - 2000' recession did not take effect until after the recession was already over and have been credited by real economists, from both the left and the right, with slowing down the recovery.

A history lesson from wntrfrdscntnt. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Thank you for your comments and views. I disagree with you, but isn't that what this country is all about? Heck, I blame all of the professional politicians in Congress right now for helping to spend taxpayer money without any possible return to the taxpayers.

The current Spending Party has run wild with the Progressive controlled White House, House and Senate, without allowing the opposing party any input into decision-making, thus having the GOP use tactics that all parties use when in the minority. It isn't a historical event.

I do understand how gov works, and many citizens do also. And I do realize that any dissent against the current Prez is a vote for racism. The libbies use this action always to stiffle the opposition.

But, the people will vote with their pocketbooks. With gas increasing out of control, grocery costs rising, and inflation around the corner, this administration will have a difficult time with his energy policy, his spending habits, etc., etc.

I realize it is hard to out a sitting president, but this one may go in 2012.

P.P.S. american-2051576, your statement that the Bush tax cuts ended the 1999 - 2000 recession also directly contradicts your statement that it takes a year or more for any major policy change to have an effect. You can't have it both ways and not expect to be called out on it, fool. And don't start about the 'tax refunds', economic data shows that both of them had almost zero stimulative effect on the economy.

matti - you raise interest to combat inflation. The recession was "accelerating"?? WTF does that mean? I Guess stagflation is a trcky notion for you. Of course he and the democrats raised taxes, how else did you think the democrats were going to pay for the programs to keep up with the soviets.

The internet is a wonderful thing, perhaps you should consult wikipedia and other links about 9/11 and the roles al qaida and the taliban played in afganistan. Wouldn't hurt to brush up on saddam and the gulf wars as well. Without the historical context it is no wonder that you have to be lead by the nose.

Relevency applies to both past and present actions. When one threatens or implies retailiation with WMD's wouldn't the correct conclusion be that they may exist?

Thoughful of you to not mention our military involvement in Libya or on how we are violating the UN mandate.

Isn't hindsight always 20/20? Funny how the saudis and other arab nations were quiet on the invasion of irag by bush2. Didn't American and allied forces launch from saudi arabia?

Hindsight is also so apropo to economic policies as well.

Apparently you never took econ 101 or 102. Usually called intro to micro and macro economics by the way.

Care to explain this...

It was policies that the Fed and Treasury started enacting and Bernacke(sp?) continued that started the move out of recession, a bit of a natural economic cycle and the stimulus that was passed in early 2009 that started to slowly bring the 'recession to an end' at the end of 2009 and even then did not even really pick up steam until the middle and end of 2010 once the stimulus money started flowing faster.

Seems that you acknowledge that a major economic policy takes a year or more to act, but you say I am wrong. By standard economist thinking of what signals the end of a recession, the great recession ended in june 2009. Tell us again who was president and treasury secretary prior to jan 20, 2009? We were still spending 2009 stimulas money in the second half of 2010???

My "reagan tax lie"??? How about if you block quote that for us and give us the post number as well.

I must assume that Grover Norquist is a buddy of yours.

Do you wish to contend that soviet insolvency wasn't a part of its collapse?

Gee, you have ethics?? Never would have known that by reading your above posts. lmao!

I must say that your attempt at presenting "strawman" arguments has shown us all on what your real ethics are.

matthew - I will stand corrected on my dates 1999 -2000 for the recession seems that some sources put it as occuring between 2000 and 2003 and some put it only in 2001.

Regardless, The 2001 Economic Growth and Recovery Tax Act was signed into law in june 2001. with the intent to improve the economy over a period of years and ending Jan 1, 2011.

The fact that the recession MAY have ended by the end of 2001 doesn't change the fact that major economic policies will not have an immediate economic effect. If indeed the recession ended in late 2001 and not as late as 2003 then the tax cuts only served to further stimulate the economy out of the recession and ensure recovery. Are you implying that that is a bad thing to do???

Speaking about tax refunds having no effect, I am sure that you won't mind giving yours back to the government, right?

to think differently is delusional. obama pulled the trigger but it was bush's gun, ammo, and intel

How many attacks occured on American Soil in North America after 9/11/01 and the intel on the courier for Usama Bin Hidin did come from Kalik Shaik Mohammed (9/11 Mastermind) at GITMO.

Yeah well the repubs appear to be super pissed that Obama got this one and are trying to pull any scraps they can to a republican politician, ANY republican politician.

This is how it works, economy in the toilet? Obamas and the dems fault Bush is free of blame. Bin Laden is shot? All thanks to bush Obama and the dems thankfully didn't screw it up for him. Very selective in their logic to support their delusions.

LOL

They are not saying Bush is responsible for the raid, but he is the first one to go to war and fight the al quaida and bin laden....Clinton ignored more than a dozen attacks on our country. At least Bush did something about it.

Bush gets blamed for everything else, why not this?

You lie, Mr. 29, Clinton did not ignore any attacks. Stop with the Faux Noise/Rush Limbaugh lies. No one is buying it anymore, fool.

And it's too bad that Bush ignored the warnings the Clinton administration gave during the transition about an impending al quida attack involving airliners. Bush really did something that time, didn't he.

Gee...I guess you told me.

"They are not saying Bush is responsible for the raid, but he is the first one to go to war and fight the al quaida and bin laden"

lol

Bush took the bait bin Laden set out on 9/11 then completely fvcked the whole thing up. All bin Laden wanted was to get us bogged down into a war on his home turf. As soon as we put boots on the ground there we lost.

I have always admired the ability of the Republicans to articulate a message and stick to it no matter what----this is a perfect example of that.

And it only cost a couple of Trillion $$s to get him. Thanks G.W for doing it on the cheap.

Truth is Ursula, that 80% of republicans is roughly 20% of the population. They didn't vote for President Obama, do not vote for any democrats and never will. Sadly, though, it shows a complete disconnect from reality; it proves that complete belief in ideology colors all perception regardless of fact.

Mr. 29. Yes, Bush went to war after 9/11, but what happened Sunday night proves that we did not need to invade any country to find, or eliminate terrorists. As we watch Tunisia, Egypt and other middle eastern countries rebel against their dicator rulers--it proves we did not need to go to war in Iraq either. I guess you missed President Clinton's address to the nation indicating that he would hunt down OBL but then he is a democrat. Much of the intelligence apparatus Bush used was put in place by Clinton.

Marcus - post 7.5 well said! lmao.

jody - but the intelligence apparatus was put in place by bush1, you know former head of the CIA in the mid 70's.

Ursula - got the links to support your numbers?? If not you must be proud of yourself at spinning on a predominately left leaning blog.

wonder if Gitmo supplied any critical info, can some of you help me with this???????

american-2051576, I copied and pasted from the article - duh.

ok you all, drinking from the ayn rand puddle, playing onesy, twosy for gwb and conservatism. life is about growing up and putting your guns and arrows away and being the adult in the room. harken back into the 20th century. you will see it took a democrat president to pull us out from the ditch conservatism dumps us -- ww1, depression, ww2... clinton after reagan ... obama after bush. see?

you know, just because you think what you do, and there are many of you like-minded conservatives, doesn't make it "right." history shows you your conservative principals are not "right?" because if it did, life would be peachy for all -- lenin, hitler, and stalin would be happy campers, "right?" not just for you who are actually wealthy? the poor ones hoping to be rich someday, well, your just cutting off your nose to spite yourself -- possibly splashing around the amoeba pond...

Ursula - my apologies, was looking for a block quote or source.

wntrf.....

Interesting that you go back to a time Pre 50's when economic causality was little understood. Not saying that any of the current economic theorys are valid as well. IE your argument of a democrat bailing us out of a republican mess is not even close to being valid.

Funny how you forgot reagan bailing out carter. As for clinton bailing out reagan??? wasn't bush1 in there? Regardless, clinton rode the technology/dot com bubble for all it was worth and left bush2 with the resulting recession. See?? BTW think that if bush2 hadn't gone to the mideast the "great recession" wouldn't have happened?

If one wants to act the part of the "responsible adult in the room" wouldn't that "adult" promote working together rather than promoting divisiveness?

Hiheels. Guess the Federal Government should tell the tornado ravaged states and cities--you're on your own, you get no help from us. Please explain how Palin entering the race will drop gas prices--is she a commodities trader on Wall Street and able to wave a magic wand? Drill baby, drill means in 10 years prices might be $.03 less per gallon. As for "right to work" states, the decline in American wages follows the exact path in the decline of union membership, that's fact. It seems that some buy the spin that collective bargaining is a drag on the economy when in reality collective bargaining means workers earning a better wage and increasing their buying power to purchase the products they make. While you are entitled to your personal gripes about President Obama, please avoid spinning it as if the comments you make are your own independent opinion and not those we hear constantly from conservatives.

"The Gas prices will fall like a lead balloon if Palin puts her name in the Hat."

LOL...yea, record profits be damned those oil companies are terrified of a half term govenor who needs coaching to make it through a interview about what she reads. Too funny. But PLEASE make it so....then the election is sure to be the latest reality TV elimination spectacle.

"I will not let the media brainwash or whitewash my laundry list of gripes for the man and he will not get my vote."

You sure you're afraid of "white" washing and not something else? Or lemme guess - no preexisiting conditions and your extended family were all already well insured well before intervention (that still pales in comparison to what Nixon wanted for the nation). Or maybe it's some other slective memory fingerpointing kinda gripe....(shrug)

Highheels - the only pluses that will come out of the natural disaster in the south is that they will pull together to rebuild regardless of politics and that the rebuilding in the south will increase our GDP and southern construction jobs.

Jody - I have no problem with collective bargaining in the private sector as jobs still depends on competitive bids.

Public sector is completely different with mixed feelings going towards the protective services

Obama haters are just haters...It doesn't matter...they just hate him...and vote with it...what a waste..

Yep Tim, he is a waste. The only thing he's done correct is the Usama hit, and he ordered it, didn't pull the actual trigger. But for that ONE thing, I offer him congratulations.

Jody - Private sector jobs no problem. Its the Public sector jobs I have issues with.

California is a perfect example the unions owns the state and Jerry Brown is worthless.

Tim - any comments about the bush haters??

"you are really laughable. laughable for being a sucker and laughable for thinking that anyone believes what your saying.."

That you think you're comment is more compelling is quite pathetic.

I'll take Twain's wisdom and wit over your barbs and misused MLK citation:

"Look at the tyranny of party -- at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty -- a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes -- and which turns voters into chattles, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction; and forgetting or ignoring that their fathers and the churches shouted the same blasphemies a generation earlier when they were closing their doors against the hunted slave, beating his handful of humane defenders with Bible texts and billies, and pocketing the insults and licking the shoes of his Southern master." again from no other than our great Mark Twain (his autobiography)

Ummmm, yeah. Never mind that Bush made sure Bin Ladens family was flown out of the U.S. in a day or so after 911, and that Bush also said he didn't care if ObL was caught or not. Fact.

Oh..... thats right.....only republicans work.

Bernanke printed lots of money for Bush or doesn't that count. Why conservatives defend giving $4 billion of their tax dollars to big oil for subsidies when big oil just made $25 billion in profits the first quarter of 2011 is beyond logic.

Wayne, so big oil is run by democrats? The record profits Exxon just posted are caused by Democrats and a Green Agenda? Don't you think they should improve drilling technology before we recklessly destroy what's left of the gulf? Isn't there enough oil in Canada and Alaska? If oil profits are at an all time high wouldn't that mean there is a huge margin between the actual cost of oil and the price at the pump?

Jody You need to read your history books. The middle east has been laughing at our military ever since Jimmy Carter. They laughed at our playboy president Bill. Bush asked Congress and was granted by both parties to remove the dictator in Iraq. But the Dems thought the price too high The Dems forgot about the 67.000 they killed in Vietnam. Right? Nixon got the troops out remember? Now Iraq is free at he hands of our fighting troops, Fear has returned to the opressors. The rest of the Muslem world wants what Iraq has. Get over it, Bush's idea worked!!!!!! Obama at least understands respect is 'earned' not elected!!!!!

"Nixon got the troops out remember"

Yes, and wanted an even MORE extensive national health care for our people. Warts and all he still had some bright moments! But people remember only what they want to.....history be damned.

Bush's idea worked helping the recession and putting us in debt. Iraq was/is a failure. If we let Iraqis free Iraq we would have saved a lot of US soldier's lives along with about a trillion dollars. BTW did they ever find those WMD? Also, is it our responsibility to get rid of all those other evil dictators in Africa?

Yes. George W. Bush did have terrorist policies.

Apparently, the only way conservatives can give President Obama credit for getting Osama bin Laden is to include the right wing talking points that were issued late yesterday, the ones that link the success to "W".

I'm suspicious of the right's claim that President Obama continued the Bush policies because it wasn't that long ago that the Cheneys and many others were expressing such outrage that the elimination of the Bush/Cheney methods would be catastrophic. Or do conservatives not recall the outrage in 2009?

We know this is true because Sunday evening, conservatives were caught off guard and there wasn't time to get the proper spin on things out, took them at least 24 hrs--and here they are, repeated today and repeated often.

It was all the de-regulation under the Republican administration that caused this mess to happen.

Aren't you dizzy yet, Wayne? I mean all that spinning....

I guess it never occurs to anyone that the artificially low interest rates brought about people buying homes they couldn't afford because realtors convinced them they could and bankers ignored the rules.

richard...deregulation of what?? finance and credit???you need to and get your facts straight brotha!!...ur lost with the rest of em!!

jody..there is still "hope" for u and i will pray for u.....im sure you have heard that word "hope" given the current administration and their socialist spread the wealth agenda.....now get yourself to a clinic and dry out before you hurt yourself!!

"and their socialist spread the wealth agenda"

LOL...Yea, just like that universal health care insisting socialist Richard M. Nixon.....or next up to bat robot-Romney (pushed for MANDATORY universal heath care here in MA before he cut & run) or (gasp) Palin (who's state's welfare checks comes from taxation of energy corporations and without apologies)...right? Hypocisy, spin, and failed memories....oh my. Spread the wealth agenda? What do you have gainst the middle class that you're for continuing with unfunded taxbreaks for the weathy and for record profit oil and blue chip companies that pay a pittance to none compared to we small business owners. Speaking of "hope" it's past time to (paraphrasing the 90's) check yourself before you wreck yourself, wayne

Go for it!!! big OIL again big profits on the back of the middle class, so they can elect more TEA Party Idiots, so they can continue to give the BIG OIL there Tax Breaks,

brucer - you must be a typical democrap. If Bush were in office you lefties you be screaming about oil prices (the BIG OIL REPUBS). What the hell is Obama doing to stop the $4-$5 a gallon.......

the only thing i give bush credit for is for making me laugh for eight years straight at what a complete and total dumbass he was. so yeah, i'll give credit where credit is due.

They're already having auditions for daffy duck---Donald Trump appears to be in the lead.

I have to agree. Being lucky when OBL was found will not play a part in my vote when 2012 comes around. Right now, anyone but Obama has my vote.

"Right now, anyone but Obama has my vote."

How about you as a write in? Surely you're full of answers and confidence about your depth and knowlege on relevant issues, no? But I just have one "trick" question for you: what newspapers and magazines do you regularly read?

LOL!

fishmail-1463615-2622323

LMAO!

That is priceless. Everything else we can use Sarah Palin's MasterCard.

"Right now, anyone but Obama has my vote."

I do not doubt for a minute your passion, just your intelligence.

He made a very gutsy call, that's what.

It was our President who ordered the CIA to focus on finding Osama bin Laden, who made the decision, who required extra helicopters, who asked the right questions before authorizing the operation. The JSOCs team deserves the credit for their part but it was a team effort from the Navy Seals, CIA, and the Obama administration. If the mission had failed, who would be blamed? Would we blame the Navy Seals for messing up? No, it would be President Obama that was blamed. If we blame one person for something bad, we must also credit that person when things go right.

Who would have got the blame if the mission had been a failure? That is who should get credit for its success. In this case, that would be President Obama and nobody else.

Uh, "believes in free enterprise", the quality of your rant speaks volumes for quality of the thoughts behind it.

Berta baby......The Head of all the Armed Services is the Commander in Chief. That's called the chain of command. Generals on down are subject to the directives of the Commander in Chief. Ask Dwight who was in charge. Ask Ulysseus S. Grant who was in charge. You're right that the Navy Seals were heroic. However, the great burden of decision lies with the Commander in Chief. He is the orchastrator of success or failure. In this case, this is a stunning victory. The President has displayed composure, coolness under fire, decisiveness. These are admirable attributes. They carry over into character. It displays political skill as well as the nerve to do the difficult without regard for the consequences. You don't like him much. So what?! He our President, yours and mine. I would not want to run against him. Seems I'm not alone.

Sorry forgot; Believes in Free Enterprise. How's about a coupon? Collect your coupons and get a heart transplant. You could use one.

Skip, I do not want to diminish Obama for taking this action. But I don't really know what choice he had. It was obvious that a lot of people in high places knew where Bin Laden was. To not go after him would have surely doomed any chance of reelection. We live in a world that harbors our enemies. Gaining the information that identifies these enemies may seem grotesque and incomprehensible to those that don't have the luxury of knowing what the President knows. That may be why he was so set against the very tools he now used to kill this evil person. Either way, I don't think he's going to take the time or has the inclination to explain his reversal. I'm sure he would rather we just say thank you and be on our way. Either that or pick up a weapon and go after the terrorists ourselves. But I'm sure he could care less about any explanation we think we're entitled to.

If you ask a person in the Navy Seals, they don't particularly care about getting the credit.