Perry was a C- and D-student from Texas A&M.

Is America ready for another bible banging idiot of a Governor from TX?

Keep that Champagne Chilled Feisty. Should be fun to hear how you Libs spin this one today. I am sure there will be a lot of Koch this and Koch that without any mention of the millions from the Unions.

I missed it, Did the Prosser results get reversed? Implying Voter irregularities already? Desperation does not suit you Feisty.

What a waste of money.

Republicans in Wisconsin ran on campaigns saying they would do certain things. Once elected to office, Republicans followed through and did what they said they would do. Democrats didn't like that, and tried mightily to stop Republicans from implementing their agenda – to include running away from the fight and hiding out in neighboring states. When that didn't work they tried to oust some of them via a recall, but today we see that didn't work either.

Voters in Wisconsin have unambiguously expressed their wishes on these matters, and the result is an undeniable defeat for labor and progressive activists. But instead of accepting these results, Wisconsin Dems are whining about a "dark cloud" that hangs over the recall outcome. They're right about that dark cloud but it's not hanging over the Wisconsin electoral process, it's hanging over leftist agendas all over the country. What is it about the voice of the people that the Dems just don't get?

I’m concerned as most Democrats-Progressives are, that the Republican-Tea Baggers are slowly but surely giving the store away to special interest of the haves and creating two classes in this nation of haves and have not’s.

I know many Democrats-Progressives are disappointed with last nights Wisconsin's recall election results. Sure, it would have been great to take control of the State Senate and send the clear message to Walker and corporate special interest that their undermining of the working class is going to stop.

However, we the good guys fell a little short last night. But, let’s look at the bright side. The voters of Wisconsin got rid of two Republicans and sent notice that we are not going to stand for the corporate special interest and their undermining of the working class of America.

Remember, what do you say about two less corporate special interest Republicans-Tea Baggers in office?

The answer, it’s a good start.

Feisty, I'm not as disappointed by the Wisconsin results as you might think. Even with a Waukesha County supervisor elections known to be incompetent and thought to be corrupt the Democrats managed to pull turn 33% of confirmed red districts blue. If it were possible to reproduce that on a national basis it would be a Democratic landslide not seen since the FDR years.

Wasn't it Obama that made that speech in Tucson?....Seems so.....Keep calling Rick Perry names and make comments about him that you would call disrespectful if it was said about Obama....By the way, Obama won't release his grades....

Can't wait to hear Anna Molly's take. All that Great Sunny Wisconsin day, Huge voter turnout talk from yesterday didn't seem to pan out.

I guess Republicans like to get out on sunny days too, eh?

But I am sure taking back 2 out of 6 seats for $30-40 million dollars is well worth it.

Republicans in Wisconsin ran on campaigns saying they would do certain things. Once elected to office, Republicans followed through and did what they said they would do.

That's the convenient thing about how Conservative talking points are packaged...they aren't dependent upon facts.

The convenient thing about facts is that they're deadly against Conservative talking points. Republicans didn't run on a platform of destroying union rights and everyone knows it...including Bill. He was here while that was being debated months ago, and knows there's no proof of his position.

"I always knew Rick had a 'thing' for the Brawny man! lol"

Who knew he was a quilted weave existentialist?

Must spend a lot of time pondering while on the 'throne'.

Well, if three would have made a majority, then winning two and hopefully keeping the other two will result in a tie situation. I don't know who breaks the tie in that state, but the Governor is going to be up for recall as soon as his year is up and there may be others.

If nothing else, this is costing the GOP and their supporters an awful lot of money. Not that they'll run out, though. After several years of the Bush tax cuts and customized tax loopholes, cash is not a problem.

I guess this is the GOP jobs program. Spend millions on small races everywhere which employs a bunch of people which gives a boom to the advertisers, print shops, and caterers for a month or two at a time.

Desperation does not suit you Feisty.

Nothing desperate about me this morning - I'm reveling in the fact, we took two very red seats away from your table! ;P

Maybe when Anna Molly arrives, she can explain to us how Kathy Nicklaus still has a job?

You just may have to eat your words, just like in Wisconsin. Keep under estimating the voters understanding of what it takes to put this country back on firm footing.....

I was disappointed Democrats were "only" able to take two seats away from the Republicans in Wisconsin in these recall elections, however, 1) It sure was fun listening to that cute Wisconsin accent all night, while following the returns, and 2) I think it was a great dress rehearsal for the Democratic GOTV in 2012. Democrats are even more motivated to organize locally now and we'll be baaaack!

Actually, for all the fire and fury in Wisconsin, what's surprising is that so little changed.

Two of six Republican state senators were recalled, but the race between victorious challenger Jessica King and incumbent Randy Hopper in Wisconsin's 18th District was a rematch of a 2008 race that King had lost by less than 200 votes...and won last night by a bit more than 1000 votes.

Next Tuesday, two Wisconsin Senate Democrats face recall...whatever the outcome of those races, Wisconsin's voters have pretty much left things alone, really.

Yep, change you can believe in, but..not just yet. Laser focus......

You know that last night in Wisconsin was a setup. No way was Walker going to let his little "girlfriend" lose her job. Just like the Supreme Court Judge vote, another setup. What corrupt leadership that State has.

Impeach them all.

Wisconsin Senate Recall, "Close but no Cigar."

Time to keep the heat on the Governor. He's got to go.

For those who care, my comment on Wisconsin is below. The real work begins today.

And if the recalls showed anything, they showed that Walker CAN be recalled.

If it were possible to reproduce that on a national basis it would be a Democratic landslide not seen since the FDR years.

That should be the goal. We need Howard Dean back at the helm of the DNC.

Rick Perry is also the anti-Romney candidate.

That can't make mainstream Republicans too happy since they see Romney as the only serious nominee to have the best chance going against Obama in the general election to win enough centrists, moderates, and mainstream American votes to pull off a victory. In the old GOP, the old guard would somehow exert enough influence to get their nominee through the primaries. That may not be possible with the Tea Party and far right having so much input and involvement in the primaries.

I suppose in an extreme case they could covertly scuttle the nominee if they really didn't want them and would rather have four more years with Obama who they can somewhat predict instead of a loose cannon or religious zealot they can't predict or have any influence on. I believe the mainstream and old guard GOP wants to minimalize the Tea Party and religious right and take their party back, so I would not be surprised to see them devour their own nominee for the longer term greater good.

The "anti-Obama" aka another Bush. Just what we need. Another 4 years of a throw-back to the Bush years. We see what a mess that got us into. Talk about a double-dip recession. Maybe by the end of another GOP administration we'd be in full on depression.

Devie:

We need Howard Dean back at the helm of the DNC.

Truer words were never spoken.

Republican analysts and power brokers are selling Michele Bachmann short. We keep seeing the right-leaning analysts discuss Romney, Perry, Pawlenty and often dissing Bachmann. They ignore that she stays on message, she hits the crowd-pleasing points, that she didn't complain about the Newsweek cover photo but instead ignored it for what it was--politics, that she has personality, she's not dumb. While I may think she's far-right radical, she has done a very good job campaigning. Rick Perry is their latest hope but Bachmann will give him a run for his money. Romney may end up winning by default because the others, minus Huntsman, are all fighting for the fanatical and radical fringe.

Impeach President Obama to tie things up? Well, what a clever idea by a TP fool. As if the fact that Congress hasn't been tied in knots for two years isn't enough. Burgess is a disgrace to any political party.

If Mitch McConnell believed in "Country First", he would stomp all over Grover Nordquist's insanity by appointing Tom Coburn to the Super Committee. Trouble is the GOPTP is too afraid to challenge Nordquist; why put the country first when Grover's needs must first be met.

Wisconsin added half the jobs created in the country last month and you guys are trying to roll it back, turn it into a Mad Max theme park?

Walker & his minions might have won this battle but are sure to lose the war.

Really?

You don't realize you just fought the equivalent of Hitlers Ardennes offense - the Battle of the Bulge?

The libs and unions have seen their territory and years of control rolled back. The libs and unions marshaled everything they had, they threw everything they had in Wisconsin to turn the tide ........and were pushed back to where they started.

The two seats? The Americans took the most casulties of the war around Bastogne. They then re-equiped, re-fueled and kept marching. Same thing here.

Sheez ..... Obama doesn't even use union labor at his b-day party in Chicago, even Obama and the DNC realize that unions are too difficult and expensive to deal with?

I will keep the champagne chilled for then…

A new family heirloom ....... to be passed down through the generations, huh?

As I posted in a Vine article yesterday, the broad objectives of the conservatives form a program that has been tried in the U.S. for 30 years, and failed, and internationally since the 1960's, and failed horrendously. We have history to show the right wing ideologues that they advocate failure.

But as this article points out, the rigid ideologues are not interested in facts. They believe what they believe, and no facts of any kind will sway them - the same way fundamentalists believe that the Bible trumps evolution and science.

Last year after the elections, I wrote a lengthy post assessing the probable behavior of Congress in this session. Unfortunately, I was correct that the extremists would engage in "the politics of disaffection." The story just made that painful reality clear:

“When one attendee [at a local Tea Party gathering] suggested that the House push for impeachment proceedings against President Obama to obstruct the president from pushing his agenda, Burgess was receptive. ‘It needs to happen, and I agree with you it would tie things up,’ Burgess said. ‘No question about that.’ When asked about the comment later, Burgess said he wasn't sure whether the proper charges to bring up articles of impeachment against Obama were there, but he didn't rule out pursuing such a course. ‘We need to tie things up,’ Burgess said. ‘The longer we allow the damage to continue unchecked, the worse things are going to be for us.’” In addition to this admission of simply wanting to obstruct the president, this episode is a reminder that Nancy Pelosi kept her “Impeach Bush” crowd locked in a virtual Area 51 while she was speaker. Boehner and Cantor haven’t....

This is a time-tested tactic used by legislative minorities - and the Tea Party only hold about 8% of House seats - to obstruct and proce their agendas on the majority.

Let there be no doubt: The Tea Party seeks to completely destroy the United States and rebuild it in their fantasy image of a "pure capitalist" state. That is a goal aimed straight at absolute disaster.

White Collar Auto

Keep that Champagne Chilled Feisty. Should be fun to hear how you Libs spin this one today. I am sure there will be a lot of Koch this and Koch that without any mention of the millions from the Unions.

Yeah, how amusing to think the Koch Brothers' millions had anything to do with the outcome. All you faithful wingnuts know that George Soros is the real source of all evil in the world.

No Jody. They are smart enough to see the set up from the left. All of a sudden the description of bat s*^T crazy is gone and replaced well now maybe we need to rethink Bachmann. LOL. I bet the progressives went nuts when Newsweek came out with an unflattering photo. Newsweek didn't get the memo.

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Keep that Champagne Chilled Feisty. Should be fun to hear how you Libs spin this one today. I am sure there will be a lot of Koch this and Koch that without any mention of the millions from the Unions.

The Time Has Come To Show & Tell

It’s time to investigate the KOCH boys and ALEC as well as S&P.

I think) Darling meant to say we manipulated votes just like we did in Brookfield City Waukesha where County Clerk, Kathy Nickolaus, found more votes added to her off-system computer when she got home.

https://twitter.com/#!/search/%22Kathy%20Nickolaus%22

I missed it, Did the Prosser results get reversed? Implying Voter irregularities already? Desperation does not suit you Feisty.

It shouldn't be long; no implication there not worth missing.

After sending absentee ballots that either had a bogus return mail address or the wrong date to send back that were being mailed to democrats how can Any one trust Tea baggers?

Dirty Tricks in WI: Deceptive Absentee Ballot Mailers Appear to be Coordinated Hoaxes

The United Sportsmen of Wisconsin (USW) mailers, almost identical in form, font, content, and type-setting, as we showed, had no information about who had paid for the mailings on them, and instructed voters that they needed to return their absentee ballots to the elections clerk by August 4th --- even though ballots may be delivered to the Wisconsin election clerks as late as the close of polls on August 9th.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8658

What a waste of money.

Aw there is no joy in libbie land mighty labor has struck out.

Watched Ed last night waiting to see him meltdown alas results were not in until after. Wonder how many democrats will claim victory, considering all the money from both sides that poured in. In a rare show of enlightenedment Rachel said that the dems need labor money to win elections. In order for dems to have power labor must have power.

How many times over the last month have we heard this is a referendum on Walker, Tea Party and conservatives, now we know. The people have spoken and with 2 dems up for recall, even odds 1 will lose. This may shelve any attempt to recall Walker, why waste money on it. If the tide had turned yes but it didn't.

Maybe SEIU had they shown up in force could have made a difference, but I see that they were otherwise engage in rallies over in London. Sure did look like an SEIU event.

Waa Waa Waa. Things didn't go my way so let's investigate.

Clinton mandated the banks give home loans to unqualified buyers and ushered in this economic crisis. Obama's first years were with democrats in both house and senate. They ushered in obamacare, dodd frank, epa regulations and others--and look where the country is. You people talk about the Koch bros.--what a joke. Dodd Frank had a "Soros" provision--if his hedge fund is a "family" business it won't be regulated.

Poor liberals.

Got spanked last night in WI, didn't you?

It's a preview of the landslide that takes place in just 15 months, when the People return Obama to 'community organizing', whatever that is...

despite liberal best efforts, we will not let what is happening in london and philly spread. we are going to nip it in the bud. the great liberal experiment will fail

witness the true goal of liberal redistributionism: destruction and murder.

Hardly, Steven B. You need to check out my post below and see what the results really say. What they say to me is that significant areas of Wisconsin have shifted considerably to the left, including one area within the traditionally Republican Fox River Valley. It also shows quite clearly that Walker can be recalled in a statewide race. Remember, and the main democratic base was not heard from at all, and those elections were still very close. That kind of shift is all you need to turn a statewide race.

mitch j:

despite liberal best efforts, we will not let what is happening in london and philly spread. we are going to nip it in the bud. the great liberal experiment will fail

What "liberal best efforts" are you ranting about? And if London resulted from a police officer shooting a young man in an economically disadvantaged area, then how EXACTLY does it relate to the "great liberal experiment"?

If something failed here, it wasn't liberalism.

richard: In a rare show of enlightenedment Rachel said that the dems need labor money to win elections. In order for dems to have power labor must have power.

Wasn't that amazing.

They have a government that mandated that half the voters of Wisconsin had their government tax dollars used against them, against their political wishes.

Disgusting. Vile. Despicable ........... and she brags about it.

What ever you want to say about the Koch brothers, the government doesn't mandate that citizens support them and thus their political cause.

You are free in boycott any Koch thing you want.

You can't boycott your taxes that go back to the unions to buy protection and benefits from the dems.

America Held Hostage, day 222

"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo

"Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?" Bob Dylan

Someone, somewhere, with a lot more brain wattage than I possess needs to step back and take a big scholarly look at what is happening to America. Bob Dylan had it right, something IS happening but we don't fully understand what it is or what it's long-term ramifications might be.

While you all sling your mud-pies and hurl your insults something is happening to this country and I'm afraid it is NOT good. Perhaps you should stop your trash-talking and take a moment to look at the United Kingdom and the riots there. The conventional wisdom used to be what happened in England was a harbinger of what will happen here in the foreseeable future.

The beginnings of class warfare? Sure sounds like it. The widening gap between rich and poor? Yup.

But there is a bigger and more troubling problem, a cancer if you will, growing deep inside this country.

We are all becoming idealogues. No compromise, my way or the highway, might makes right, the end justifies the means. We never stop and think about where our actions will actually take us. We can't plan beyond tomorrow or fully appreciate that the tiny rock we roll downhill today might become an unstoppable avalanche of unbelievable destructive power. All of that leads us in only one direction, in a consistent downward spiral to chaos and the final destruction of America and what it once stood for.

The GOP/TP/LDS is becoming more powerful and is flexing it's muscles. It does not represent the people any more. It only represents it's corporate constituency and the almighty dollar. The rest of us are just fodder for their machines. We are nothing but expendable labor. The faithful are kept in line by propaganda dispensed over the airwaves by Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. This well-organized propaganda campaign encourages the faithful to vote against their own, enlightened self-interest.

I would argue that radio and television broadcasting will some day be found to be, potentially, the greatest threat to America because the GOP over the last 25 years has stripped the regulatory authority from the FCC and created a vast info-tainment machine that can be used for great evil. I have personally run political campaigns and I know the power of television and it is very frightening in the wrong hands.

And what about the so-called Democrat/Progressive movement in this country? They have lost their way, they have forgotten their heritage, and are now becoming more and more timid. Where once mighty unions and intelligentsia would have rallied to the threat and fought in the literal and intelectual streets to stop what is happening, now they whine and wimper without power or conviction.

Finally, the news media, the corner stone of our freedoms, the bedrock on which this country was built, the great watchdog. Now it is a toothless mongrel. They sit drooling on the porch while the GOP/TP/LDS steals our country out from under us and sells it to the highest bidders. Where once they would have been the first to shout "The Emperor has no Clothes" and would have kept shouting it from the highest rooftops until the pressure became so great that something had to be done about it. Where are the Woodwards and Bernstiens today? I fear we will not see their like again and so we are doomed.

Shame, shame on you all.

Wisconsin and the UK. Two important lessons we are failing to recognize or appreciate.

Mitch McConnel, the GOP/TP/LDS, the real terrorists who are destroying our nation.

The news media, a corporate profit-driven, shallow sensationalist, toothless watch-dog asleep on the porch while our most valuable possessions are taken from us all.

And here you sit, making mud-pies and flinging them at each other. Hurling insults and voting against your own personal interests in the name of a party that doesn't know you exist and doesn't represent your interests.

Well, we are sowing the wind, and we will surely, eventually, reap the whirlwind and all of you will look around and say "What happened? Where is our America?" and then you will point your fingers at each other and say "This is all YOUR fault."

You will fail to see that each and every one of us is complicit. Those who support a political agenda that is against their own best interests and those who possess the understanding to state what is already painfully obvious and fight for our country, yet fail to do so.

You've all got the government you deserve and your ultimate fate can only be blamed on yourselves.

Shakespeare had it right too.

"Lord, What fools these mortals be." Puck, A Midsummer Nights Dream"

America Held Hostage, day 222.

Steven B

Poor liberals.

Got spanked last night in WI, didn't you?

How's that Stevio? 2 progressives won. Also I read some where one of the republicans who won is a moderate. So there's a chance he may vote with the progressivees. Dunno maybe Anna Molly can fill us in.

Furthermore, it may have not been 3 progressives like we wanted ; but those were republican districts that flipped.

Now put that tea in your pipe and smoke it; T- bagges have been downgraded!!!

What people should take away from what happened in WI is that your vote can and will be adjusted to meet the demands of the people who have money and power, and the quest to achieve a just and free America can not be achieved through our political system.

Great job Wisconsin! I always believed the far left was a minority. Once again conservatism trumps liberalism. Next year looks very promising.

MAW-1297690

Clinton mandated the banks give home loans to unqualified buyers and ushered in this economic crisis. Obama's first years were with democrats in both house and senate. They ushered in obamacare, dodd frank, epa regulations and others--and look where the country is.

MAW, you persist in repeating that long-debunked lie about the collapse being the fault of the Community Reinvestment Act and Pres. Clinton. IT IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE AND BY KEEPING TO IT YOU RETARD THE COUNTRY'S ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAUSED THE COLLAPSE AND HOW TO GET OUT OF IT. Thus, you are making yourself into a threat to the well-being of our society. We've punched your lights out here before about it, too.

As for your list of the President's achievements, you claim THAT caused the Bush Recession? You claim THAT ran up more than $10 trillion in debt - before Obama took office?

You are no longer part of any discussion here, at least for me. "Ignore" time.

Skip, what a great post! Thank you.

Wisconsin won back two seats from red districts, that's not a win for Walker. I'm not giving up and the good people of Wis. will not give up either. Everyone keeps talking about the money, and the facts say the Repubs outspent the Dems, nearly two to one. In district 8 alone over 8 million dollars, the most expensive seat ever in Wis. history. Brought to you by the Koch bros. and "Americans for Prosperity" Roves gang. The buying of elections is on and it's big time. Wake up people across the country, Walker won those two red districts last Nov. So there is more to be hopeful for, than not.

Feisty, I'm with you, we will open our champagne next year, when Walker goes down.

What kind of America are we developing for our children and grandchild­ren to inherit, when we are debating about, which miscreant is the lesser of all miscreants to move America forward?

We have now Perry the miscreant, to choose from over: Romney, Pawlenty, Santorum, Gingrich, Huntsman, Bachmann, The Donald and what ever other creepy crawler chooses to surface.

We have lost our AAA+ ranking in Presidenti­al Contenders as well as Credit!

Bob, I liked your post. My father was actually in the Battle of the Bulge.

Thanks fielden, you are too kind.

American Held Hostage, day 222

So, since the right has hung this label of "The Messiah" on Obama and if Rick Perry is the 'anti-Obama' then doesn't that make Perry the 'anti-Christ'?

Fisty, I've read quite a bit of your posts, and I really have to ask...are you constipated? Cause that would explain alot

OUCH!!!!

That’s gotta hurt!!!

Looks like the people of Wisconsin pretty much feel they made the right decisions in November. Of the 7 recall races so far, the incumbent has been reelected in 5 of those races. I’m reminded of what Barry Obama said to Eric Cantor on the third day of his Presidency in January 2009:

“Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won."

Words to live by.

BTW, last night Mr. Ed said "This is a real test for progressives,. If we can't win in Wisconsin, where can we win?" I'll be watching Mr. Ed toninght in the hope that he will break down and cry live on air.
LOL!!!

From Politico:

Wisconsin GOP holds on to Senate
By: Dan Hirschhorn
August 9, 2011 09:21 PM EDT

Wisconsin Republicans withstood a Democratic campaign to take control of the state Senate Tuesday, surviving in four of six recall elections that were sparked by Gov. Scott Walker’s contentious push for public labor law reforms.

Democrats needed to win at least three races to capture control of the narrowly divided chamber.

“This was a referendum on Scott Walker,” state Sen. Luther Olsen, one of the winning Republicans, told POLITICO. “They tied us right to Scott Walker. They thought that would flip us and make us lose, but I knew my district supported the governor and what we did.”

The vote counting stretched into Wednesday morning before the last race was finally called. While one vulnerable Republican fell as expected and another lost by a razor-thin margin, Democrats failed to break away in the battleground districts they and outside groups had most heavily targeted. Closing up shop on his election night party in Madison before the final results were in, state Democratic Party chairman Mike Tate tried to claim some measure of victory, and promised to keep up efforts to recall Walker.

“We will not stop, we will not rest, until we recall Scott Walker from the state of Wisconsin,” Tate said.

MAW, you persist in repeating that long-debunked lie about the collapse being the fault of the Community Reinvestment Act and Pres. Clinton

True...CRA was not the direct cause and there was no "mandate" to banks or Fannie/Freddie to lower borrowing standards...they(banks/Freddie/Fannie) did that on their own. There is enough blame on BOTH sides of the aisle for the housing meltdown. The groundwork so to speak started around 1992/93 and snowballed into what we saw in 2008.

I've always felt that where housing goes so goes the economy so yes, the housing meltdown was a huge contributor to the recession/depression/financial Armageddon/insert your favorite calamitous phrase.

And oh by the way...S&P was right in the middle of the housing crisis and played a rather significant role

From Reckless Endangerment:

Standard & Poor's was the most aggressive of the three agencies, however. And on January 16, 2003, four days after the Georgia General Assembly convened, it dropped a bombshell. Because of the state's new Fair Lending Act, S&P said that it would no longer allow mortgage loans originated in Georgia to be placed in mortgage securities that it rated. Moody's and Fitch soon followed with similar warnings.

It was a critical blow. S&P's move meant Georgia lenders would have no access to the securitization money machine; they would either have to keep the loans they made on their own books, or sell them one by one to other institutions. In turn, they made it clear to the public that there would be fewer mortgages funded, dashing "the dream" of homeownership.

Standard & Poor's said it was taking action because the new law created liability for any institution that participated in a securitization containing a loan that might be considered predatory. If a Wall Street firm purchased loans that ran afoul of the law and placed them in a mortgage pool, the firm could be liable under the law. Ditto for investors who bought into the pools.

"Transaction parties in securitizations, including depositors, issuers and servicers, might all be subject to penalties for violations under the Georgia Fair Lending Act," S&P's press release explained.

It ended with a warning: "Standard & Poor's will continue to monitor this and other pending predatory lending legislation." In other words, any states that might have been considering strengthening their predatory lending laws as Georgia did should beware.

Food for thought with all the ballayhoo about S&P downgrading our (United States) credit rating.

Why is it every time the Democrats are rejected at the polls the first thing they say is there had to be voting irregularities. I have not heard any accusations out of Wisconsin. But the people could not have rejected the Democratic ideas on their merit. Why that would be impossible. You have had your recall of Republicans and have fallen short. Now it is the Democrats turn next Tuesday. Maybe there wasn't any voter fraud because there was no ACORN involvement. I do see that ACORN was finally convicted of vote fraud in Nevada.

BTW, last night Mr. Ed said "This is a real test for progressives,. If we can't win in Wisconsin, where can we win?" I'll be watching Mr. Ed toninght in the hope that he will break down and cry live on air.

Joe in Albany: Well said, I watched his show to see if he would have a melt down. Can't wait to hear his spin tonight, maybe he'll blame Laura Ingraham for this or say the people in Wisconsin were duped.

What you don't hear is how democrats are trying to eliminate the electoral college and go by popular vote to give their electoral votes to. California under idiot Brown have passed that legislation. What a joke if that was ever used. It would make nearly 45 states irrelevant in electing a President. All you would need to do is win Ca, NY, PA and FLA or OH or TX to win the presidency.

Wisconsin added half the jobs created in the country last month and you guys are trying to roll it back, turn it into a Mad Max theme park?

bobby: I've been trying to ignore you but I just can't allow this falsehood to slip by.

In fact, Wisconsin created only half of the NET number of jobs created, but not the total number. Other states created many more jobs than Wisconsin, including -- horror of horrors -- California. Twenty-six states created jobs, but 24 lost jobs, which is what causes the net number to be so low.

http://host.madison.com/ct/business/biz_beat/article_44c1d6e6-b478-11e0-ad32-001cc4c002e0.html?sourcetrack=moreArticle

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n fact, Wisconsin didn't manage to crack into the top five states in job growth, even with its best monthly performance since 2003.
The largest over-the-month increase in employment in June came in Texas, which added 32,000 jobs followed by California (+28,800), Michigan (+18,000), Minnesota (+13,200) and Massachusetts (+10,400).
On a percentage basis, the top four states for growth were Alaska (+1.7 percent), North Dakota (+1.2 percent), Vermont (+0.9 percent) and South Dakota (+0.8 percent). Wisconsin came in at +0.3 percent.
Employment actually increased in 26 states last month, according to figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The reason the BLS figures show just 18,000 more net jobs in June is that other states saw a drop in the number of people working. Declines came in Tennessee (-16,900), Missouri (-15,700), Virginia (-14,600) and Kansas (-7,500), among others.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/ct/business/biz_beat/article_44c1d6e6-b478-11e0-ad32-001cc4c002e0.html?sourcetrack=moreArticle#ixzz1UeGdnbUn

Wisconsin created so few jobs, in fact, that unemployment actually went UP.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/john_nichols/article_74ba6c45-f55b-5b7d-96d3-e33d17f654da.html

http://host.madison.com/ct/business/biz_beat/article_a4fc36de-b3d1-11e0-bc4d-001cc4c03286.html

If you make this false statement again, especially after it has been debunked here, at least twice, it will not be in good faith. And then I am sure I will have Bag Boy's approval to call you out for what you are. But I won't do it. I'll just let you live with it.

LoL Is anyone else having the goofy XHTML/EasyMode problem where all the edits are backwards?

Just look up to see what I mean.
HELP!!!!

Only in a Conservative mind where logic runs backwards can one see losing ground as "winning". You guys are down two seats. Was it a land slide for Center? No, but it was certainly a shift away from the historically failed policies of the right wing. You lost. And pray that you always will.

John B, Des Moines, IA

That's the convenient thing about how Conservative talking points are packaged...they aren't dependent upon facts.

The convenient thing about facts is that they're deadly against Conservative talking points. Republicans didn't run on a platform of destroying union rights and everyone knows it...including Bill. He was here while that was being debated months ago, and knows there's no proof of his position.

Walker did not "destroy union rights"...he simply requires union members to start paying for their ridiculous benefit packages instead of forcing that cost onto the taxpayers. And he did run on that. His goal was to add 250,000 jobs in his state...a goal he's on a pace to meet.

John A.-400474

MAW, you persist in repeating that long-debunked lie about the collapse being the fault of the Community Reinvestment Act and Pres. Clinton. IT IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE AND BY KEEPING TO IT YOU RETARD THE COUNTRY'S ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAUSED THE COLLAPSE AND HOW TO GET OUT OF IT. Thus, you are making yourself into a threat to the well-being of our society. We've punched your lights out here before about it, too.

As for your list of the President's achievements, you claim THAT caused the Bush Recession? You claim THAT ran up more than $10 trillion in debt - before Obama took office?

Wow are you ever wrong John A. Actions taken by the Clinton administration and congress during the 1990's absolutely led to the crash in 2008. What was the cause of the crash in your opinion? (this should be entertaining to hear).

Clinton allows jobs to be outsourced by agreeing to and supporting NAFTA and the WTO free trade agreements. Clinton's Community Reinvestment Act allows for unqualified borrowers to get loans for houses they can't afford. Now the next step in the collapse comes from the Republicans that wrote Graham-Leech-Bliley that overturned Glass-Steagall, allowing deposit banks to leverage in risky investments.

Those investments were packaged unqualified loans that would not have existed if it weren't for the CRA. Fast forward a few years and jobs are fleeing the country to China, southeast asia and India....raising unemployment and jeopardizing even more of the loans forcing people to default.

Now the loans have no value, the deposit banks have invested heavily into basically junk paper and CRASH.

Bush's main fault was not pushing to undo the damage Clinton's policies were destined to cause.

Those investments were packaged unqualified loans that would not have existed if it weren't for the CRA

Then Fannie Mae Head James Johnston also saw the CRA as the perfect vehicle to increase Fannies wealth and thus increase his wealth in the process.

Nancy Pelosi kept her “Impeach Bush” crowd locked in a virtual Area 51 while she was speaker. Boehner and Cantor haven’t… And remember, don't write off this threat by a back-bencher like Burgess; Bob Barr was laughed at when he kept threatening this against Clinton and looked at what happened.

That’s because frivolous fishing expeditions that waste a chunk of tax payer money aren’t going to happen again. And if Bush’s neglect to act on intelligence about 9-11, or “fixing the intelligence” to invade Iraq (Scooter Libby), or playing politics with the Dept. of Justice (Alberto Gonzales), or torture programs such as water boarding (John Yoo), etc. doesn’t qualify for impeachment, please name something President Obama has done that would? The high crimes and misdemeanors must be at least as serious as Watergate (or assassination of JKF) to get any traction, and rightfully so.

Gawd, Republican leaders are so weak and lame they are worthless, and so is the FOX/Hate Radio propaganda machine in lieu of William F. Buckley. The John Birch Society is out of lock-down again, run!

Tony C: "By the way, Obama won't release his grades...."

Um, when you graduate in the top of your class you effectively did release your grades.

When one attendee [at a local Tea Party gathering] suggested that the House push for impeachment proceedings against President Obama to obstruct the president from pushing his agenda, Burgess was receptive. ‘It needs to happen, and I agree with you it would tie things up,’ Burgess said. ‘No question about that.’

Another TP idiot who has ZERO respect for the Constitution...

Rick Perry, "The Anti-Obama"

Lets see now, Obama is "Black and Smart".

That leaves Rick Perry "Dumb and White" ,,,,, good combination to fit right in with the Republicans.

I do hope this "Bush Hand-Me-Down" runs, it will be so fun to see him get his ass kicked.

(But sad, because we do need a real leader to replace Obama, what a disappointment he has made of himself.)

Look at all of the liberals bitch, name call, and assert personal attacks. How typical.

Is this the GOP's solution to Obama?? A moron that drank and fondled his way through A&M, and prays to a giant old man in the sky?

If he gets elected, he should at least have the courtesy to give us all a reach around. Can I get that at least?

Only in the Conservative mind is eliminating long-recognized worker rights the same as promising to increase employment. In everyone else's mind that would be a lie. I realize Joe's particular lie has already been debunked dozens of times here, but as long as he's willing to tell it I'm willing to demonstrate his lack of credibility;

Walker contends he clearly "campaigned on" his union bargaining plan.

But Walker, who offered many specific proposals during the campaign, did not go public with even the bare-bones of his multi-faceted plans to sharply curb collective bargaining rights. He could not point to any statements where he did. We could find none either.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/

It's similarly deceitful to consider losing 1/3 of seats you ALREADY HOLD as a win, as Conservatives have broadly pronounced the Wisconsin results. I hope Republicans achieve that same level of "success" in the general election of 2012.

If they do, my prediction is that I'll be a good deal happier about it than will they.

PsychoDoc

Oh yes, Dude, because the Tea Baggers just NEVER do that, do they??

Of course, you "earned" the right to be just like them? Man, I'm so glad to be an Independent.

losing 1/3 of seats you ALREADY HOLD

If the Republicans lost 2 seats out of 19 they held, how does that equal 1/3 of the 19 seats?

If you're talking about 1/3 of the 6 seats subject to recall then the math adds up...but somewhat misleading at first glance.

Is America ready for another bible banging idiot of a Governor from TX?

Amazing how the Party of D'oh has managed to find someone even less intellectual than Bush Jr.

DUDE-875416

Look at all of the liberals bitch, name call, and assert personal attacks. How typical.

I will disagree. When you don't know how the impeachment process works, but you publicly call for it, that makes you an idiot. So it's not name calling - it's stating a fact.

The thing that amazes me is, even when the TeaPublicans lose even one seat, they make it out that the Dems are losers...the way I look at it is, the Republicans lost one seat, and that is one seat too many! And they lost TWO! God, I'm glad I'm an independent.
Someone earlier stated "I will love to see how the Dems SPIN this one..." Guys, the only party I see SPINNING anything is the Republicans, and if you asked them, even today, many, if not most would vote George W. back into the White House! Disgraceful!

Perry was a C- and D-student from Texas A&M.

Is America ready for another bible banging idiot of a Governor from TX?

As opposed to a Koran carrying, community organizer who refuses to release his transcripts and has exhibited no qualifications to sit in the Oval Office, in a word, yes.

Swing voters picked the devout, born-again Christian George W. Bush after the Clinton sex scandals

You mean the same George W. Bush who got drunk, snorted cocaine, and chased skirts until his father was elected President and his wife threatened to leave him?

I am so tired of people bickering back and forth about “my party is better than your party” Grow up and open your eyes people. These retards on capitol hill don’t care about us. They all have their own agendas. If you think your party doesn’t than you need to keep researching.

These guys are deciding our faith based on how many votes they will get. Our country is out of control and we need a good leader whether it be a democrat or republican. We need a president that will take control and make all the kids that work for him play nice. There are things in our budget that we do not need. This is what I propose.

1. Unless you are military or in the line of fire as a government/federal employee you have to pay for your own health care and retirement. (this is a third of our budget) why do they get special treatment when the average American TAX payer has to pay his/her own way. We pay their salaries, retirement, and health care but we can afford to do the same for ourselves.

2. If you are on welfare you have to be on birth control. If you are underprivileged it happens but you should not be able to continue to reproduce until you are off government assistance. Also there should be a mandatory college enrollment…which as a tax payer I wouldn’t mind paying for (maybe that’s just me). This way they are bettering themselves so one day they will no longer need assistance which will break this chain of three generation welfare recipients.

3. Let’s bring our troops home. They don’t need to be away from their families for a pointless war. Those idiots in the middle east don’t like us anyways and they have been fighting for thousands of years. Politicians are crazy if they think they are going to bring peace to that region. When a person is fighting for their faith and beliefs that is a harder war to fight.

4. If you go to prison, instead of us just paying you when you get out you will have to pay back a portion of the cost of you being incarcerated. This will be another deterrent for reckless individuals. This can be deducted from future earnings or tax returns.

5. Stop borrowing from social security. This was supposed to be a self sustaining program but the greedy bastard politicians think it is their own personal spending account to balance short falls in the budget.

I would agree to all that. Nice post.

Perry was a C- and D-student from Texas A&M.

As opposed to a Koran (carrier) ... who refuses to release his transcripts

First of all, reading the Q'uran is neither crime nor disqualification. Second, there is no evidence to suggest that President Obama carries a Q'uran with him at all times, as you suggest. Third, President Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim. I recommend Christianity; you should try it sometime, socialcapitalist. (I think it would do you some good.) Fourth, being Muslim is neither crime nor disqualification.

Fifth, in order to even be considered for President of the Harvard Law Review, Barack Obama had to be in the top 10% of his class at Harvard Law school, which is recognized as one of the best institutions of higher learning in the entire world. Since you lack the intellectual prowess to work things like that out, it's easy to see why you are impressed by someone who made Ds at one of the best institutions of higher learning in the state of Texas.

The Tea Party Downgrade

That's the new talking point popular with the Dems lately. John Kerry and David Axlerod used it on the Sunday talk shows, and our own little Miss Feisty parroted it here yesterday. In their narrative, it's those evil Tea Partiers who are responsible for the S&P downgrade and the slide in the stock market. Good grief, do they really think the American public is stupid enough to buy off on that nonsense?

Funny, but I didn't see the term "Tea Party" anywhere in the S&P report. What I saw was an expression of disappointment that "Congress and the Administration" fell short of stabilizing the country's near term debt problem. What I saw was an expression of "the gulf between the political parties" that could only produce modest savings. Oh, and what I particularly saw was a statement that the two parties could only agree on "minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability."

So someone needs to explain to me how that sort of verbiage translates into the 'Tea Party downgrade.' It takes two to tango, and the Dems were never serious about choosing partners in the entitlement dance. And with no serious entitlement reform, there is no chance for significant change in our debt situation – no chance at all. So from a substantive perspective, S&P was reasonable in pointing out that the small savings the parties agreed to did not get to the heart of the problem, and hence the downgrade. Of course, there would have been little if any debate about our debt problem in the first place had it not been for the influence of the Tea Party – you know, the Tea Party which has DOMINATED the agenda in Washington ever since they've been elected. Too bad there aren't enough Dems around who can get their heads out of the sand long enough to engage in meaningful conversation with them.

And then there are those who would have us believe that somehow the Tea Party is responsible for the recent plunge in stocks. No matter that stocks have been on a downward slide in the weeks before the S&P downgrade. A slide driven by consistently bad economic data the last few weeks: like anemic GDP and job growth, lower consumer spending, contraction in the manufacturing sector, contraction in the service sector, all of which plants the seed of a double dip recession in the minds of investors. Oh, and then there's that teensy European sovereign debt problem that's been rearing its ugly head again lately. Except this time with Italy on the brink, suddenly we're talking about a country that may be too big to save. So when the left points to the Tea Party as the proximate cause of Monday's stock market drop, they ignore the downward momentum that had been in evidence long before that. And of course what they never mention is that demand for U.S Treasuries is as strong if not stronger than ever. Which is a curious oversight since S&P downgraded American DEBT, not American equities.

Not to worry, shallow talking points are just about all the Dems have left. Besides, the market soared yesterday. Must have been because those darn Tea Partiers were buying hand over fist.

Poor little dems, Bill. Wisconsin was supposed to point the direction for 2012.

Despite the millions poured into the race by unions, the republican judicial candidate won.

Despite the millions poured in by the unions, democrats fell short last night- picking up only the seat of a man who, it was revealed, moved out of his district with his girlfriend, and whose wife signed his recall petition- and the seat of another whose district is so democratic no one could figure out how he won in the first place.

Next week, two democrats get the "recall treatment".

Wonder how that will turn out?

So, if Wisconsin is, truly, the bellwether for next year, I'm guessing there are a bunch of democratic senators who should start packing.

Michelle might want to start getting ruthless with her discards, too. Moving is such a hassle.

It may be over your heads, but the American people don't seem to have any trouble recognizing a Tea Party downgrade when they see one;

A lot of that anger seems directed toward the GOP. According to the survey, favorable views of the Republican party dropped eight points over the past month, to 33 percent. Fifty-nine percent say they have an unfavorable view of the Republican party, an all-time high dating back to 1992 when the question was first asked.

The poll indicates that views of the Democratic party, by contrast, have remained fairly steady, with 47 percent saying they have a favorable view of the Democrats and an equal amount saying they hold an unfavorable view.

"The Democratic party, which had a favorable rating just a couple of points higher than the GOP in July, now has a 14-point advantage over the Republican party," adds Holland.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/09/cnn-poll-time-to-clean-house-in-congress/?hpt=hp_t2

Bill,

In all fairness, re-read the article. The S&P report DID specifically mention the Republicans refusal to raise revenue as an issue going forward. And that translates, at least in my opinion, to the Tea Party caucus. I know that most republicans have signed the Norquist pledge, but the freshmen Representatives in the House are the loudest when it comes to opposition of the president's every policy point. You cannot deny that. And it is this opposition and unwillingness to compromise that contributed to the S&P downgrade. You also cannot deny that.

Bill --

Would you agree that the breakdown in dialogue between the "tea party" and liberals or democrats is the lack of a cohesive or direct platform coming from the TP? I see and read a vast spectrum of opinions coming from those labeling themselves TP'ers. Quite frankly the level of discourse would have to be elevated by all sides. Where are the ones looking for common ground? Let's talk.....

The impeachment talk is a good example. Since when is it okay to hold up all legislation at the detriment of the country and it's people? GET MOVING ON THE WORK TO WHICH YOU ARE PAID TO DO!!! Doesn't matter which party you come from stalling any and all legislation is very telling. Find common ground and GET BACK TO WORK!

Are you sure about that, John B?

Last night, Wisconsin voters had a prime opportunity to punish the GOP there by tossing out the Republican majority in the state senate, and removing Governor Scott Walker's control of the state legislature.

The electorate declined to do that.

Instead, the net effect of the recalls in Wisconsin (whatever happens to the two Democratic state senators still facing recall next week) appears to be the status quo.

However mad Wisconsin's voters were at the GOP...they weren't THAT angry, were they?

The Tea Party is about responsible spending. With Obamacare, new EPA laws, and Dodd Frank, companies have to sort through all the new regulations before they hire so NO Jobs. Obama is anti job. Remember, Republicans were shut out of the healthcare talks and everything they presented was shot down? With Obama, it's his way or the highway--no compromise. The question is--where did it get the country? I originally thought he might be FOR the people, but I was wrong and so were a lot of others.

Impeach the president, although they don't have a legal reason? Is there nothing else the congress should be working on? They want to impeach the president, who was legally voted into office, for no better reason than they don't like him and want to "tie up" government? Did they not take an oath of office to defend the constitution? Why is this not treason?

The S&P report DID specifically mention the Republicans refusal to raise revenue as an issue going forward

Maybe you should reread the report. It's quite balanced in the sense that while they mention the Republican position on taxes, they consistently pair that with the Democratic position of not engaging in meaningful discussion of entitlement spending. Moreover -- and this is their operative sentence -- S&P is agnostic on this issue:

"Standard and Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures that Congress and the administration might conclude is appropriate for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing."

I think it is clearly sedition Lori........

Don’t_carry_it_all

“ Since when is it okay to hold up all legislation at the detriment of the country and it's people?”

DCIA….it became acceptable and fashionable when the Dems ran out of Wisconsin and hid in Illinois.

Paul --

Really? I am not from Wisconsin. The Dems there can defend themselves just fine. There definitely is a breakdown of communication and you wonder why.

Bill, Fairfax VA

The Tea Party Downgrade

Funny, but I didn't see the term "Tea Party" anywhere in the S&P report. What I saw was an expression of disappointment that "Congress and the Administration" fell short of stabilizing the country's near term debt problem

Then you should read the S&P report. On page 4 it specifically blames Republicans. No matter how you try to embellish it T-baggers are republicans; just like a hot dog is a hog dog no matter what condiment you put on it.

S&P noted in its report that the failure to act on increasing government revenue also was a consideration in its decision. The rating company said it no longer assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush would expire by the end of 2012 "because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues."

See? Standard and Poor's said that the US still can pay its debt, but the Republicans in Washington can't be trusted to allow the government to function.

Eat up Bill.

Remember Bill the tea people got 98% of what they wanted. Don't you think that makes it a tea party down grade, as stated by S&P in their report? Keep trying to sell your lies Bill it didn't work yesterday and it won't work today. Take responsibility for you and the other tea peoples action for a change Bill. Quit throwing your hands up and saying we didn't have anything to do with it.

Bill -- lay off the broccoli for a while will ya?

The stench is overwhelming! ;o)

I continue to be amazed how you people are so afraid of 60 freshman congressman who have been in office for 7 months. 4 years of Democrat control in congress and these 60 freshman have simply wrestled everything away in 7 short months.

What that tells me is that the right people are finally being elected.

Paul

One state does not make a country. It is our Country. Take the high road you'll feel better.

My thoughts on the TEA Party are best summed up by one of my heroes.

"I don't like tea, it gives me a headache."

Pete Puma

See? Standard and Poor's said that the US still can pay its debt, but the Republicans in Washington can't be trusted to allow the government to function.

Bev S & P did say that and it is correct but they also said they did not trust the Obama Administration to follow through on the second round of cuts. This is pg 4 of the same report you quoted from

Our revised downside scenario--which, other things being equal, we view as being consistent
with a possible further downgrade to a 'AA' long-term rating--features less-favorable macroeconomic assumptions, as outlined below and also assumes that the second round of spending cuts (at least $1.2 trillion) that the act calls for does not occur

And Richard takes home the Reading Comprehension award for the day. yay.

I guess if MB is pleased with the level of GOP success achieved so far in the Wisconsin recalls, I can be happy with it as well.

That would give Republicans 160 seats in the House for the 113th Congress, a loss of 82 seats.

Hello, I live in San Antonio Texas.

I can tell you that if Gov. Rick Perry runs Obama will have a serious problem. I believe he is what "EVERY" republican voter wants and he will pick up a lot of idependents too. For the last decade Perry has done Texas well. We had a small reccession and did not lose many jobs. Most people in Texas can find a job really, you can get a low paying job easy. It is better than no job.

As this post said, Perry is the Anti-Obama. He is the picture perfect challenger against Obama. He isn't perfect but I believe that if elected he will be the perfect person to set our nation back on the right track.

Btw politicians luv people with short memory. Remember the last two years where Dems owned all the offices. That is when they should have raised the ceiling, for gods sake they could have raised it as high as they wanted. But wait, the people who are uninformed about the state of America would see that and they would be mad. Be bad politics before that election, huh.

NJBJ I don't have to remember ANYTHING. What I see out of Washington every day is the same thing you see...DYSFUNCTION beyond belief. And it most certainly is not party (or ideology) specific.

Who is bearing the weight of it all my friend?....you and me and the rest of our good neighbors.

What do you think these geniuses would do if about a million voters turned up on the steps of Congress?

What do you think these geniuses would do if about a million voters turned up on the steps of Congress?

They would lock the doors against the rabble.

AM: They would lock the doors against the rabble

.And probably say "Let them eat cake..."

Not to mention, call out the National Guard!

It was interesting last night, as I was watching MSNBC's coverage of the Wisconsin recall elections, to think about how there can be "Republican districts" and "Democratic districts" in the same state. It is also true in Maine, where the coast is Blue and the rural interior is reliably Red. In my own extended family, there are Republicans and Democrats, and we basically live in districts that correspond to our political identites. Odd, isn't it?

This morning people are talking about how "of course" the Democrat won in the blue districts and "at least" the Democrats made a dent in the red districts. It makes people of both parties feel like, what's the point? Do voters pay attention to events in reality, or do they just always vote their "identity?"

When I look back on my own voting pattern, I notice, when the country is under pressure, I move to the left. I voted a straight Democratic ticket in 2004, including voting for a psycho town clerk, just because he was a (D.) But, when the stakes are lower, I have voted Republican. For instance, in years past, I actually supported Olympia Snowe (never again, never again.)

This makes what happened in Wisconsin a little easier for me to understand. You would think voters in the red districts would cross over to vote against an unpopular governor, but instead, under pressure, they reverted to their partisan identities. What needs to happen, then, is for Democrats to lower the tension in red districts, to enable Republican voters to feel safe crossing over. Something to think about.

lmao....... Thats all she can muster! My Independent friends and I were looking at this as a clear indicator of what the people of Wisc. really wanted. And it looks like they did vote the Rep. in to do that particular job or jobs! (not done yet!) I do so look forward to Anna Mollys words of wisdom on this event!

Jody::: I can hear it now. Wisconsin democrats are gathering in Madison, Ed is there listening to the workers hollering "We've JUST BEGUN to fight". They aren't throwing themselves under the republithug bus-- next time they are going to overturn it!

Lets try praying, That works. And God does know how to fix the problem. He has a success rate that has not been matched. He has a great following and comes with mindblowing references. He is allknowing and has never made a mistake. His solution will always be what is best for mankind. He cannot be bought. And he has a hitory of successfully ruling worlds.

LUCI FANN

There is a mindset that the Republicans and T-baggers bought and paid for by their corporate masters know it all.

My Independent friends and I were looking at this as a clear indicator of what the people of Wisc. really wanted.

Apparently what the people of Wisconsin wanted was 1/3 less Republicans. I applaud their good judgement.

Sell California to Mexico for lets say 4 trillion dollars.....problem solved.

Tony C,

That is ridiculous. I say we end the Bush era tax cuts, medicare part d, iraq and afghanistan. Some have estimated that would give us the same $4T.

Four trillion from Mexico?

The government wouldn't have that much, but the drug cartels might be able to pony it up, which would be a great business decision giving them about 1000 times more good border crossing points that the U.S. border patrol would have no way to ever enforce.

I say end the wars and do not get involved in more conflicts. So tell me why has Obama not only not ended the wars but gets us involved in another conflict? I say raise the taxes as long as the dollars go toward debt reduction.

Mike, with California the need to cross the border would be less of an issue. Just think Pelosi, Huffington and all the Hollywood liberals would redistribute their wealth and offer free education and free healthcare and free everything. That is until the money runs out..and then my idea runs a muck...LOL

"Meredith Whitney"

“Call it Tea Party, whatever you will, the fringe element is I characterize (as) freaked-out white men who are unemployed and have been unemployed for three years and they’re scared to death,” she said. “Three to four million of them are about to roll off unemployment benefits in the next three to four months. This is only going to get worse.”

Democrats looking to hold the White House and regain full control of Congress will need to take note.

“For this reason you have to deal with the structural issues,” Whitney said. “If you are a Machiavellian Democrat you want do deal with this issue and defuse the Tea Party as fast as you possibly can because this poses the biggest threat to their re-election in 2012.”

lmao....... I'm thinking yesterdays election made the bogeymen a lot scarier!

A better idea is to sell Texas to Mexico for $4 trillion--they want to secede anyway; the wages are in line with Mexico for many Texans so they'd fit right in.

Seriously, eliminate the tax loopholes and breaks for special-interest business. Raise the taxes back to 39.9% as the high end for those making more than $250,000. Create additional tax brackets for multi-milliionaires and billionaires of say 45, 50%--they never pay anywhere near that high bracket anyway which would mean they might pay 25% instead of 18% they currently pay. Hedge fund and capital gain profits should be taxed at 28%, the level Reagan felt appropriate. The point is that cutting spending on the backs of the middle class and lower income earners will cause even greater harm to the economy.

Jody, Mexico wants Texas less than we do. We'd have to pay them to take it. The good news would be that Perry would have to run for President of Mexico.

Jody, Mexico can't afford Texas. Nice try...

Jody, I would like to know also, why is that such a bad idea from the others. I mean, when people talk about jobs, they don't say millionaires are not hireing... they are saying corporations are not hiring. So in differentiating that fact, taxing 'income', which is the right of gov. under the 16th, which grovers paper cannot superceded, should be implemented. Not forever (like the bush tax cuts, or those that want it to be) but just until the economy has become stable, then lowering of taxes can occur again.

Tony C, I live in Mexico part of the year.We don't want California.

I love Mexico, I have a bunch of good freinds and employees in and around the Reynosa McCallen area. Mexicans are a very proud bunch actually, Ive been to many of their holiday ceremonies and they do love a party! The one issue I will share with you. When we opened the last facility in Del Norte we started just one shift 8 to 4:30pm m-f. We hired a few hundred people with above ave wages (for Mexicans skilled and unskilled) after the first week we noticed about 44% of the employees were tardy almost everyday. So we started serving free breakfast......wala they all came to work! Then left before lunch, yep you guessed it ...we started serving free lunch. We now make it to Siesta time which gives us near a full days work!

Tony Tony Tony. As usual you have no idea what your talking about. What you meant was sell Texas to Mexico, not California. Selling Texas makes more sense and would solve more problems. We could use the money to pay off the National debt that Bush and the Republicans caused, also solve the immigration problem since it seems the Mexicans love to live in Texas (reminds them of home) and our Nation would be shed of the uneducated fools like Bush,Perry and the Bible thumping Republicans. Besides Perry wants to secede from the Union anyway, Sounds good to me, (Smile).

We would do better as a separate nation. No state income tax and my house is actually up in value, not much, but still up.

Tom what's new another Californian bashing Texas.

Your posts have more value when you write - Tres Equis.

Yellowdog & Tony C

But it's o.k. for you Texans to bash California, isn't it? Do you realize that even in the middle of the financial disaster left us by your former governor, we're still the world's sixth largest economy, ahead of all but a handful of countries? That without California, the US would be a puny second tier economic and military power? Do you know where Apple, Hewlett Packard, Cisco Systems, Google and almost all the major technology firms are headquartered? By the way, we have better looking girls too...

That is so incredibly witty Alan. Tell me more.

That's how i talk to my 2 year old by the way.

Well wonders never cease, Alan doesn't have a single word to say except a snide remark. All that news in First Thoughts and this is the best he can come up with. The truth is, Alan, your comment says more about you that it does about President Obama--small minds have a way of displaying small minds.

Obama/Biden 2012!

If that's the case, we could be screwed next year. Why would anyone who isn't rich favor tax breaks for the wealthy over entitlements for those in need?

Bryans first sentence says it all!

one word, propaganda. The right has an effective 24/7 talking heads on faux with censored news. Always pushing half truths and degrading President Obama.

I'm still looking for the true half of Fox's half truths.

And don't forget the tea people have the Koch brothers also. Looks like the brothers bought them 4 more politicians.

one word, propaganda. The right has an effective 24/7 talking heads on faux with censored news

Americans first--- the operative word is effective. MSNBC has all their talking heads as well as the MSM yet they are not effective. Why is that?

MSNBC does not and has not won a court case saying that they didn't need to tell the truth like faux.

Unethical, lying without any regard for the truth and always pushing fear is the daily programing for faux. Yes, their propaganda is effective blaming the poor the unions and always Obama for all our countries problems.

Ethics are probably the main reason that faux's successful propaganda is not followed by liberal stations.

Murdock, the faux conservative owner leader, is not known for ethics these days. I was appalled when Arnie, the then California governor said that while he did not admire Hitler he had to admire the way he used the media to convince the people he was right and got the German people on his side.

The point is that you don't have to be right or ethical, you can even be Hitler, as long as you have the media pushing your emotional half truth of the story and then you will have good people believe you.

Mainly because they don't lie too and try to mislead their viewers Richard. Like Fox (aka tea people propaganda machine) does. Any other stupid questions Richard?

I'm still looking for the true half of Fox's half truths.

Well said daryl.

BTW So am I.

JOS,

Seriously answer the question. Why would you favor tax breaks for the wealthy that have proven to be inert over entitlements for those in need? WHY? It makes no sense to me. For those making $1M today the effective (tax paid) rate is 21-23% average. In 1961 the same rate for those making the 1961 equivalent of $1M was 43%. What do you pay? Is it more than 21% and if so, as a percentage of your income, why shouldn't the rich pay what you pay, at the very least?

MO The only thing stupid would be your response. What do teachers always say there is no such thing as a stupid question. Unethical and lies the anti-fox mantra. MSNBC and the MSM all lie as much and their ethics are not any better, if you want to go that route. You do remember the Dan rather incident. Oh and you cannot possibly believe that everything O'Donnell, Maddow, Olberman, Schultz, and the rest say is all truthful. If so you probably believe that MSNBC has been the ratings leader for the past umpteenth years.

Face the truth and understand that in order to get the truth from any media outlet you must not believe everything you hear, and verify everything you believe. Less hate that way.

I have heard both Maddow and Ed Schultz make a big deal if they told us something they later found out wasn't true. O'Donnell and Olberman I haven't watched enough to know. I only have internet and refuse to pay to watch fear-vision.

How many faux commentators can you point out, that have come on and made a big deal out of correcting information that they gave you in past and admitted it was false.

Faux with their censored news wants you to believe that if you didn't hear it on faux then it is a liberal medial lie.

I can't remember what I heard about Dan Rather, let me research and get back.

Americans First Dan Rather: re Bush and National Guard

I have heard O'Reilly correct his mistakes, Hannity has. Greta don't know, Beck when he was on always said don't believe what I say look it up. Megyn Kelly, Bret Baiar, Cavuto. Most correct mistakes and really that goes for most stations. I have even heard Hannity agree with the President a couple of times. Point was in original post was that they are effective, doesn't matter how just that they are and within the bounds of legality. Everyone pushes to the max it's only when you go overboard you get smacked. haven't heard about a court case though, can you provide some info for research.

search: "fox court right to lie" and it is the first story.

Dan Rather got information about bush and his national guard history. The person giving the information said he lied about who he got the information from and that the information was the truth. Dan Rather took the blame because he couldn't prove what he had said was true due to his informant.

It was not a concerted effort of the liberal media to get bush.

Faux on the otherhand spews lies over and over to put our President down. I believe on faux that the story line is that tea people had nothing to do with holding up the debt ceiling, no tea partier wanted to default and it is not their fault about the downgrade of our credit rating and it was all Obama's fault because he would not sign the first bill out of the house. How close am I to the story you heard on faux?

I am sure faux did not mention them winning the right to lie in court on faux.

Rather's informant was his producer and he knew the truth because he hasd all the information months before the election and he held it until almost the end of October so there would be no chance to refute it. Fortunately the truth came out, but Rather knew it was false yet still used it.

American's first thanks for the info. Everbody blames the tea party for the debt ceiling yet everyone waited until June to even start on it in seriousness. From what I gather the tea party ran on reducing spending, deficit, less taxes. Standing on your principles is not wrong. Ther house did send 2 bills to the senate who tabled the bills and they didn't get an up or down vote. The whole debt ceiling idiocy was a debacle from start to finish. We would not have defaulted regardless debt pd, ss pd, military pd medicare pd. we had enough. The downgrade was not the tea party nor is it all President Obama. The downgrade was caused by over 2 decades of extravagant spending by both parties. Haven't listened to FOX in 2 days. I was listening to msnbc and cnn for different views.

I did hear on the radio that the downgrade has not hurt the US. Investors are lining up to loan money for T-bonds at 2.5% over 10 years. Who gets to take credit for that?

I do appreciate the civility in your posts and look forward to debating some more. I will respond to your questions or rebuttals sometimes it takes a little longer than usual especially if I am busy doing my job. Have a nice day!!!

Looks like the brothers bought them 4 more politicians.

Actually the Kochs spent a ton of money to save 4 out of 6 they already had.

Conservatives seem to be pretty happy about that. I doubt they'll be that happy if they achieve that same level of success in November, 2012.

Richard you are aware that the balance budget is mainly about getting the 2/3 vote to ever raise taxes again. I just moved from 10 years in California and that is what got put in to place that is strangling California.

It looks like they will legalize pot just to have another source of revenue. California is stuck in limbo with the 2/3 vote to do anything. Think in the state our congress is in that we could get anything done if we had to get 2/3 approval on budgets and raising taxes? The rich are the winners in this, not our country.

Why on earth would we want to do that to the United States?

If our debt is really a crisis and republicans really care about America, why is it so outrageous to ask the rich to help?

I also appreciate you civility in your post and maybe you can help me understand the republicans devotion to the rich over America.

Americans First I don't know if it is devotion to the rich as much as it is if you work hard make yourself a success you should be able to keep what you make. Of course the government gets their share, state their share and you get the rest. If you give someone a cookie pretty soon they are going to want the milk to. If you tax the rich, how much more spending will go on before they decide to tax everyone else. Have to draw a line somewhere sooner or later. The democrats have as many rich people as republicans, they really don't want to tax the rich either, (why chop off the hand that feeds you) but they say all the right things because they know it won't fly. Who gets the blame? Republicans. When the dems have had huge majorities in the Senate and House and the Presidency, have they done anything with it? No tax reform, no higher taxes for the rich, but they do claim filibuster and can't get anything done. I also live in SoCal just above Palm Springs and most people gonig out of business say it is because the state is making it hard to do business with all the money they want for you to operate. A balance budget is really what we need, don't you balance your budget monthly to make sure you stay out of the hole. Government should do the same, although sometimes due to natural disasters they would break the budget. Sorry for the essay, but I was trying to explain my view. Hope it helps. Have a great day.

There you go with the classic Conservative argument "we need to really take it easy on rich people so that when I get rich things will be really easy."

All of that totally ignores the fact that we've set up a system in which it's already easier for the rich to get richer than for the rest of us to stay middle class.

We do need a balance budget just not an amendment. Taxes are at a 50 year low. It is not like we are taxing the rich to death.

My real question was if we are in debt crisis why can't the rich help and your answer was if we get the cookie we will want the milk too. The 10 years I lived in California, I paid California tax, even though my home is in Washington and I paid a goodly amount of federal taxes and even though I am not rich. I never begrudged California or the Feds my money. I did not want it spent on wars as I am a believer in non-violence, but apparently we borrowed all the war money anyway.

I had plenty of money to live on, I wasn't hurt by the taxes. 2.7 Trillion dollars of the debt is money borrowed to give tax cuts. Don't you think the rich owe anything to pay that money back, or is the budget to be balanced on cuts to the poor alone. It is like the rich left with the cookies and milk and we just want some of it back.

Surely we could wait and draw the line when American is not in a debt crisis.

Americans First I am not against the rich paying a little more in taxes, in fact I am not against everyone paying a little more provided that it is used to pay down the debt not for some Congressman's pork project, because if you raise the taxes and they use it for more spending, they will never learn anything other raise taxes get more money, spend more money. That is what I was trying to show with the cookie and milk analogy.

Can we be assured that if they did raise taxes that it would go to pay down our debt and deficit then I would be for it. Does this answer the question.

There you go with the classic Conservative argument "we need to really take it easy on rich people so that when I get rich things will be really easy." John B Hope that wasn't for me because I am not using a classic argument, I was explaining my view to Americans First. And I never said take it easy on the rich.

The whole spending thing is a made up issue.

During Clinton last year in office was the first time in I don't know how many years that the debt ceiling did not get raised. With the tax increases we were paying our way and looking like a we would have a surplus on paper if we kept going the same direction and in 10 years we could have paid our debt.

Bush came in and saw what he thought was a surplus and decided instead of paying the debt we should borrow money to pay our bills and give tax cuts. Not terribly bright. Then to compound the issue the republicans after starting two wars having signed the Norquist pledge decided that they could not raise taxes in war time because of the pledge, not because of what was right for America.

Republicans started digging a gigantic hole. The 2008 crash came and a bail out and a stimulus dug the hole a little deeper.

The only really wild spending is for the wars and the tax cuts that the republicans held hostage in trade for unemployment for the poor.

Our military budget is bigger than the rest of the world combined. The republicans don't seem worried about this spending. We have borrowed 2.7 Trillion dollars for tax cuts and continuing to borrow and pay interest on that money is also spending.

It seems the concern is what the spending is on, not the spending, the republicans have been spending big for the entire bush presidency. When you do a cuts only and act like the debt is a crisis you aren't really concerned. The tea people made a big scene about the debt and then did the very least possible. Then its all cuts on those suffering the most already. I am on the board of a coffee house that feeds the homeless and hungry 3 days a week. I see where people are now without more cuts.

I guess that is why I get so angry that the republicans are protecting the tax cuts for the rich. More than that the republicans feel no need to be an American. The I am rich, I got mine and f everyone else is one I am glad I don't have to live with. I feel that protecting the rich at all cost that the republicans have become is an embarrassment and that they are un-american with their pledge to Norquist to aid in killing America.

Despite the attempts to minimize it, this was a huge defeat for the Left.

Can you imagine the gloating if the unions were able to win 3 seats and take over the Wis State Senate?

Unions spent , what, $20 million, and they failed. (Imagine how many teachers could be hired with that wasted 20 million?)

The thuggish unions hit their high water mark, it is all downhill from here...the people have fought back, and wont be intimidated any more.

Thanks for the follow up from the ground in WI, Anna Molly.

I wasn't hopeful or that third seat when all the rest of the races were called and Waukesha County had reported ZERO results. As the proven leader in proven incompetence and probable corruption within the world of Wisconsin elections it looked ominous to me.

Anna Molly - Why didn't Democrats win?

AM, for the same reason they didn't win in 2010. People are fed up with the government -Federal/State and Local -. This is, I believe, an indictment on Obama.

Hear is my spin. Dem's should have won all 6 seats. Why wouldn't people, who voted for Republicans in 2010, not be discouraged to find out they have to go out and vote again, just to validate that their voice be heard. I would of thought most would have stayed home. But I guess there are a few "Sleeping Giants" out there on both sides.

This was one big waste of money. Started by and funded by the Unions. All the money spent/wasted by Republicans was in response to what the Unions started. Millions of dollars in Union dues wasted. If I was in a Union today, I would be pretty angry.

Walker won't be re-called, but the Unions will waste millions trying to make it happen and Obama is done 2012, despite his Billion dollar warchest. Another huge waste of money.

Looks like Bob's math is suspect. If the 2012 elections resulted in 1/3 of Republican districts turning blue it would be a landslide of historic proportions, one that would make the 2010 Tea Party win pale in comparison.

Thanks for your analysis, Anna Molly. I was hopeful that the Democrats would do better but it is good to see they made inroads, especially in the face of unprecedented spending from outside interests.

I hope all Democrats heed your words that elections do matter and that we all need to do our part, financially and in GOTV efforts.

Bob, Not thuggish.....unions represent average middle class working people. You know the backbone of our country. Your contempt for your fellow American is breathtaking in its measure. Were it not for unions, there would be no middle class today. I guess that makes you one of the rich. However being rich in this country will not be a comfortable place to be if the majority of Americans who are middle class by definition become the working poor and lose the American dream along the way.

@John B -- I think you're right.

@ Steeler Fan -- It's important to see where the inroads were AND to be realistic as to where all the money came from. But you won't get that analysis from Bob and White Collar. Corporate shills always try to lay it off on unions, but the real numbers are completely different. Just one conservative group outspent ALL the unions combined.

And that's just one. As I said, if unions are so powerful, then why didn't they win? Those of us who care to look already know the truth.

But frankly, all their lies and spin don't really bother me anymore. The tide has turned, whether they deny it or not. I see them as nothing more than pathetic yes-man puppets for corporate overlords -- just wannabes that never will. Bitter and resentful and looking to blame someone else for their own misery.

Let them be.

The Liberals had to pull out all the stops to get even 2 wins. In a non presidential or even a normal State election, to get more people to show up and vote WITHOUT a union van picking them up and driving them to and from the polling station is amazing. What this shows me and the Independents that I know and discuss with everyday that we were correct in our feelings that the nation really is more center right than center left! Now we will see if the Unions spend the money and go through the process of Recalling Walker. And end up with more egg on their faces. I believe the right could make a huge campaign based on this and Walkers supposed recall. You Voted and re voted.... and its clear what the people of that state want! Not the union and public employees. I just hope the Michigan's teachers and public emp's see this as a warning and just do their jobs.

Laurie I think you are a bit misguided. My father worked for GM for 40 years and was a strong union advocate for a long while. In the end he realized that the unions had become bloated with reps who made a lot of money and all the average worker got was their job sent out of the country. He also realized unions protected workers with abysmal performance records. It was my mother's non-union job that kept a roof over our heads and food on the table every time he was on strike. I am not saying in the past unions were not necessary but they have not kept pace with the current economic situations.

Anna Molly

Sorry no gloating here. What is done is done. This was really a referendum on labor leaders not the union member. People are tired of the union leaders making tons of money off the members and taxpayers. The majority of union members are hard working and honest people and deserve better from their leaders. Hope you have a great day, I am sure it will get better.

Bob188...,

You are totally delusional. The people fought back? More like the lemmings fell for the Koch Brothers advertisments.

The thuggish unions hit their high water mark, it is all downhill from here...the people have fought back, and wont be intimidated any more.

Miserableoldwretch,

And end up with more egg on their faces.

They GOP lost two seats that they shouldn't have. So who's wearing that egg? Sounds like the GOTP is.

I hope that the tide has in fact turned, Anna Molly, and I am glad for the wake up call that reminds us of just how tough the battles ahead will be. Unprecedented amounts of money from outside interests for a state election---extrapolate that to the money (from undisclosed sources) that will be spent in 2012. If that doesn't galvanize the Democrats, I don't know what will.

Anna Molly, what part of "the Unions started this and the Republican money was spent/wasted in response" is a lie? No money would have been wasted, but for the Union Leaders wasted effort. Sounds like sour grapes that the Republicans responded with force and more money.

Millions and millions of dollars wasted to effect zero change. You can keep hoping the "tide has turned", you were so sure that it had/has going into these re-calls.

If I was a Democrat going into next week, I would be nervous. You know better than I the make-up of these districts and there potential for flipping, but doesn't look like we can really count on the "usual" way of expecting things to turn out anymore now does it?

Tip of the cap to AM (aka Miss Divineness) for smearing a ton of lipstick over a really ugly pig. If I ever need a lawyer, I'm gonna come looking for you. Unless of course you have some goofy scruples about not representing those of us who see the world with clarity.

JOS: I just hope the Michigan's teachers and public emp's see this as a warning and just do their jobs.

Wow! That is really telling. And frightening.

Are you saying that the working class should remember their place and just be quiet?! Are you saying that people should not criticize or protest or vote?

Did you forget that this is America? That we all have the right to freedom of speech?

AM: I don't need to gloat because the results speak for themselves. So, to take your mind off of that big elephant in the room, I'm going to ask you if you have any WI cheese headgear, and if so, what kind?

BTW, last night Mr. Ed said "This is a real test for progressives,. If we can't win in Wisconsin, where can we win?" I'll be watching Mr. Ed tonight in the hope that he will break down and cry live on air.
LOL!!!

Very interesting discussion. Thank you all for your contributions. It helps me to clarify my own thoughts.

Joe:

So, to take your mind off of that big elephant in the room, I'm going to ask you if you have any WI cheese headgear, and if so, what kind?

I don't wear cheese headgear, Joe, but I assure you that this particular attempt at distraction doesn't do much to take my mind off that elephant.

Au contraire, in fact, and much the other way around. In fact, it might finally be time to get some of that headgear. It's the truly patriotic thing to do and will be useful in the coming riots, such as they may be.

IR:

Unless of course you have some goofy scruples about not representing those of us who see the world with clarity.

Most decidedly not. I would be more than honored. I would be delighted.

Ooops. I meant Bill. And I'd still be honored. Believe it or not.

it might finally be time to get some of that headgear. It's the truly patriotic thing to do and will be useful in the coming riots, such as they may be.

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Are you suggesting there might be a lefty liberal attempt to violently overthrow the duly elected WI state govt??

Can you get Kevlar cheese headgear?

Ooops. I meant Bill. And I'd still be honored. Believe it or not.

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Bill, it's a trap. AM would plea bargain you out as not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect, using your posts on FR as proof. :~)

Bill, it's a trap. AM would plea bargain you out as not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect, using your posts on FR as proof. :~)

Joe and Bill It would still be a win and you wouldn't be going to jail, therefore Anna has done her job. She would have kept you out of jail and saved you money in the process.

Bill, it's a trap. AM would plea bargain you out as not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect, using your posts on FR as proof

OMG, hoisted by my own petard. Hope you and no joe can save me from such an ignominious fate.

Bill:

Hope you and no joe can save me from such an ignominious fate.

Sure. Alternatively, I would plead you guilty, handcuff you, take away your keyboard, and force you to listen 24/7 to a Chipmunks recording of Kumbaya.

There. Satisfied now? Me, too.

@ Joe:

Are you suggesting there might be a lefty liberal attempt to violently overthrow the duly elected WI state govt??

Something like that.

Can you get Kevlar cheese headgear?

Sure. That's what deerhunters wear. I'll send you a dozen.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. ;-)

AM - good to hear the local perspective. What do you think will happen next week? Will it matter one way or the other since the majority will not change regardless? Do you think it will change the turnout?

Obama 'Convicted of MALFEASANCE in Office', sure sounds GOOD...

Yes...so great is the hatred of Obama that the GOP is now inventing "high crimes and misdemeanors" for him.

Impeachment - the new GOP/TP talking point. Didn't take long for that to catch on.

Look people, if you aren't going to be part of the solution here, why waste the energy typing. Sure we know that the President's approval rating is down. Thanks for reminding us. But he is EVERYONE's president. Not just the lib/dems. He is the President of the United States. If he had more support, instead of blind hatred from the right, he may be able to save our nation.

But because the right-wing hate machine (a.k.a. Limbaugh, O'Reilly, et al.) does nothing but spew criticisms without providing solutions, we will never see this or any president succeed.

Everyone needs to get over themselves and ask what's best for the COUNTRY. That is what democracy is all about.

Well for starters we don't have a democracy, at the moment we have a corporate state in colusion with the Supreme Court to make us voters irrelevent..........and we wonder why the British are rioting?

Da Noid,

1. Dennis Kucinich the Ohio Democrat, along with nine other Congressmen, is suing Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates in federal court in hopes of putting a stop to the United States’ involvement in the NATO operation in Libya...

Pretty bad when your own Party turns against you...

It's a bi-partisan group of 10 congressman, actually, led by;

Dems- Kucinich and Conyers

Reps - Paul and Jones

I wish there was a democratic POTUS challenge. I tend to vote democrat, but I don't think I could bring myself to give Obama a round 2 to try to legislate my business out of existence.

Nine other democrats does not a majority make, AC Robertson. Dennis Kucinich is the Ron Paul of the democratic party--he represents the far left caucus and nothing more. Kucinich also sued the House Cafeteria for breaking his tooth on an olive pit.

Litigation Pre-trial reminds me of a cockroach infestation.

More plaintiffs will begin coming out of the woodwork as things progress.

And, on the bright side, this is truly a bi-partisan undertaking. Who says that congress can't put aside it's differences to achieve something noteworthy? :)

I see AC Roberts wants to talk poll numbers. Any way you slice it things can't be much worse for Republicans. Then again maybe they can be, but never have been;

A lot of that anger seems directed toward the GOP. According to the survey, favorable views of the Republican party dropped eight points over the past month, to 33 percent. Fifty-nine percent say they have an unfavorable view of the Republican party, an all-time high dating back to 1992 when the question was first asked.

The poll indicates that views of the Democratic party, by contrast, have remained fairly steady, with 47 percent saying they have a favorable view of the Democrats and an equal amount saying they hold an unfavorable view.

"The Democratic party, which had a favorable rating just a couple of points higher than the GOP in July, now has a 14-point advantage over the Republican party," adds Holland.

The same pattern holds for the parties' leaders in Congress. House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the top Democrat in the chamber, have never had great numbers, but the public's view of them have remained essentially unchanged in the wake of the debt ceiling debate. But House Speaker John Boehner's favorable rating has dropped 10 points, and his unfavorable rating is up to 40 percent, a new high for him. On the Senate side, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell isn't faring much better - his unfavorable rating is 39 percent, a seven-point increase since July.

The poll indicates that Americans' views of the tea party movement have also turned more negative, with 51 percent saying they have a negative view of the two-year-old limited government and anti-tax grassroots movement, with favorable ratings dropping from 37 percent down to 31 percent. Freshman House Republicans elected with major support from tea party activists were instrumental in keeping any tax increases out of the agreement to raise the nation's debt ceiling.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/09/cnn-poll-time-to-clean-house-in-congress/?hpt=hp_t2

Voters Still Express More Confidence in Tea Party Than in Congress...

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 21% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21...

Obama and the Democrats in Congress are BOTH in the TOILET and the water has started to spin. Just a matter of time before they joint the other stuff in the septic tank...

Tony wouldn't do you any good, Feisty will put them up at her place, so she can commiserate with them.

Nice debate of the political merits of the elections last night gentlemen. Glad to see you aren't here to rub anything in anyone's face.

Bryan, I have 2.2 gigs of liberal ranting and wailing about this Wisconsin election. I would say a gig or so of gloating is in order!

jollyoldsoul1

I'd say you have a right to gloat. The Wisconsin voters retained four of the six Republicans brought up for recall, so I guess that constitutes a "win" for Walker.

I gotta wonder, though, how people in those districts are going to look their kids' teachers in the eye when school starts in September. How will this "win" go down with the cops, firefighters, snow plow drivers and other public workers that serve those districts. I don't know, where I live, the police cars have a slogan on them "protecting a great city," and the love is mutual. How can you have a strong community when you don't support the people who keep it strong? Just wonderin'.

I'd do it!

I had 0 problems grousing at my children's teachers about the power the teacher's union wields and how it's become a political tool and no longer an economic tool as was intended. Right to her face. Smiling while I did it.

My daughter still pulled the best grades in her class.

Politics shouldn't be leveraged on economics and vice versa. That's where we keep getting in trouble, as a nation, and both parties are quite guilty of it.

But your such a bad a$$ teknishan, and proud of it too. Idiot

Being a keyboard cowboy won't help you find a job, Mo. You should be out looking.

I sure hope you had a better come back for your children's teacher teknishan. If not I'd bet she's still laughing at you, just as me and the rest of this board are now.

You'd be referring to some of your similarly-under/unemployed cohorts?

Did a republican touch you in a bad place, Mo? Did they cut your job? Lower you standard of living? Or maybe just start taking firm looks at those entitlements that you, undoubtedly, hold quite dear to your heart?

You don't live in Wisconsin and are just having a real bad week, do you?

That's a capital offense in Texas!

How about abrogating the Constitution with his illegal "kinetic military action" in Libya, misallocation of repaid TARP funds, and billions of borrowed taxpayer dollars to his donors?

Those all work for me.

no joe, no bo, nj

How about abrogating the Constitution with his illegal "kinetic military action" in Libya, misallocation of repaid TARP funds, and billions of borrowed taxpayer dollars to his donors?

Those all work for me

People who are guilty of "driving while black" are always the victims of bogus allegation. Looks like nojonobo has made up a few bogus allegations of her own to get someone for "presiding while black."

Damn right, a capitol offense here in S.C. too. I think we in the south realize whats happened in Washington over the last 2 1/2 yrs, we see it everyday. Obstruction and disrespect, criminal behavior taking our economy hostage all to one end, defeat Obama. We have people with no regard for the American working class, they have told the same lies in unison, till the uninformed believe their BS.

President Obama is going to ask Syrian President Bashad to step down, if not I guess he will repeat Libya sincde he was so successful in getting Khaddify to step down.

Richard,

Speculation on your part. I wouldn't rush to judgement because Limbaugh told you to.

Actually, it was information the White House put out to CNN and the AP

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61004.html

If you really want news, you need to switch channels once in a while. This site- all of NBC, for that matter- is part of Team Obama.

They don't, exactly, trumpet anything that might reflect negatively on their idol. . .

NJNBNJ: This site- all of NBC, for that matter- is part of Team Obama.

Then why are you here? You have made no secret of how much you hate him.

President Obama is going to ask Syrian President Assad to step down, if not I guess he will repeat Libya since he was so successful in getting Khaddify to step down.

No! Lets not start this again! Make your statement and condemn Assad, impose your sanctions. I doubt someone who has already killed thousands of his people will listen. Don't lose more face to another two bit dictator who could use our military overextension to thumb his finger at us.

Lets pivot to jobs Mr. President, not to be an isolationist but how about we keep out of other country's affairs for awhile. When it comes to famine and emergency relief I don't mind helping but lets not start another involvement that leads to humanitarian bombing attacks. You have one year and two months before Nov. 12 don't throw another anchor over your head and try to swim to reelection.

Time is ticking, call the Senate and House back to work on jobs legislation. At the least use the bully pulpit and get that super committee to work right now. Don't let this new fight dither for months before saying what you want. Fight for an increase in revenue and tax reform to go along with spending cuts. Show leadership or fortitude, if no revenues are offered veto it.

Bryan Sorry I am not a Limbaugh listener. Haven't been since 2000. Read the back and forth with Skip yesterday and you'll see.

Speculation you say, no based on his past a guess, only time will tell.

By the way you are aware that we (USA) are funding the Libyan action as we pay 75% of all NATO costs plus our own. Would you classify that as Obama's War.

yellowdog good post. I would guess that one of his advisers saw the movie "Wag the Dog" and told him this would get the country's attention off what needs to happen.

As a conservative I would like to see him succeed in turning the economy around and making us more prosperous once again. Elections will take care of themselves.

richard-1957365

We agree. As a liberal I would also like to see him succeed as well. Since we are on opposite sides of the coin politically I predict your side will be a lot happier come Nov. 2012. However, as far as future elections and those that took place in Wisconsin recently , I'll leave it to my union slogan - "This is what democracy looks like."

The Democrats picked up some seats in Wisconsin but were flatly rejected the victory in not getting their majority back. As an out of stater I would suggest they read the "Tea leaves" and give up on the Walker recall and focus on the 2012 election for President and federal offices.

On the national picture we will have to see what happens with this super committee but I think the best thing either party can do is start negotiating now.

Yellowdog. Absolutley.

We are in agreement all the way around. It is a shame our elected leaders canot do this. One thing I think is funny is that everyone posting here would like him to succeed because then we all succeed, yet to admit that would take away from their happiness in posting all these nasty remarks and attacking each other. I guess no fun if everyone agreed.

Have a nice day.

The best thing right now is for Obama to call them back, like yesterday. So why not? Where is the urgency? Look at the polls, people are not happy and yet nothing from either side. What about this super, super committee, how many committees will it take to do the right thing.

We are treading water and our government is MIA.

The sheep will follow the herd. It will take major change to wake them up. And by then it will be too late. This is the fate of our country.

marty - It confounds me that any middle class working American would vote Republican. It further confounds me that any woman would vote Republican. Since the inception of the Republican party it has been their ideology to oppose equality, social programs, and unions. I really wished the recall that been more succcessful in Wisconsin. It would show the power of the working class against big business and those who would repress them. I am deeply opposed to an evangelistic President of the persuasion of Rick Perry.

When those sheep find their medicare and social security traded on the stock market or that they cannot afford to send their children to private schools because public ones have been closed, they might realize they've been sold out. The tide, however, is turning to the surprise of the GOPTP over-reachers. Poll after poll shows voters wanting tax increases on the wealthy, tax loopholes closed, and they hate the GOPTP's holding the country and its president hostage for ransom.

I used to sometimes vote Republican, until the conservative Christians took over the party.

continued: "And then Jesus said unto his flock, 'I would feed the multitudes with loaves and fishes, but then they would be less inclined to go out and find a job.'"

thats a good one...... and I like the name Harry!

Can I get an 'Amen'?

OMG......that is funny Harry....

Matthew 6:26 "You certainly may serve two masters at the same time: God and Money. God doesn't mind if you devote your life to exploiting working people and increasing the wealth of the rich, as long as you show up at church and mouth Christian platitudes."

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to pray, and he'll starve to death praying for a fish.

Leona:

Thank you for sharing your infantile, non-reality based critique of our President. The world is better because of you today . . . well done.

The only thing infantile, non- reality based, is the approval from the members of Obama's cult. He HAS failed in every area- employment, GDP, the debt, foreign policy. . .

Anyone who could, possibly, approve of any of this is, truly, infantile and delusional.

Then again, you have an imaginary bar, where you drink imaginary drinks and eat imaginary food-

So, no stretch.

Then again, you have an imaginary bar, where you drink imaginary drinks and eat imaginary food-

AHHH!!

The green-eyed monster once again rears her ugly head! lol

Hard to bring folks together when half of them have a vocabulary limited to the word "NO"

Leona President Obama failures were in allowing Harry and Nancy to define health care and his hiring of a bunch of idiots who have not given him any good advice at all.

Leona,

Now, we find ourselves in 3 wars !

Are you serious?? Let me get this straight, you just woke up today and are mad because we are in two wars (One of your so called "wars" is supposedly Libya which is no war at the moment - no troops on the ground and we participate in an occasional NATO air strike. ).? Maybe if you didn't sleep so much you would know who is responsible for starting the wars.

Jeez, I know the attention spans of right wing nut jobs are pretty short but this is getting ridiculous. Sadly, in Leona's case here this might be Alzheimer's.

LEONA-2986819

Obama failed and everyone knows it. A "failure to lead" is an understatement. Consider the added insult that he has done nothing to "bring the parties together" as we were promised. He is the most devisive President we can remember..

How can you rationalize President OBAMA AS THE MOST DIVISIVE EVER? Your negate the fact the many in base are very unhappy to his capitulation. You know how many times the President has bent over backwards hoping to achieve compromise.

President OBAMA gave the Republicans their extension of the Bush tax cuts. To this day I can't think of anything else significant the Republicans have voted yes to; other than the debt ceiling.

The PRESIDENT does not have a magic wand. He cannot make the recalcitrant, staling, t-republicans say yes. Therefore your conclusion is invalid. As far as impeachment goes; let's see we have birth certificates and whatever else the greedy, bigoted right can conjure up .

For instance:

Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Texas) told a local tea party group, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported Tuesday.

Burgess spoke, the paper said, in response to an attendee’s suggestion that the GOP-controlled House use impeachment to stop Obama from “pushing his agenda.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60949.html#ixzz1UeqQvX4u

"Are you serious?? Let me get this straight, you just woke up today and are mad because we are in two wars (One of your so called "wars" is supposedly Libya which is no war at the moment - no troops on the ground and we participate in an occasional NATO air strike. ).?"

HAHA You liberals hate it when you realize NOT everyone drank the Obama kool aid. First of all, you have no idea what we are really doing in Libya. Even Libs like yourself are complaining that Obama's admin. should not support participation in attacks there because that would mean we should also be attacking Syria and other countries too. Why did they give Obama a Nobel Peace Prize again? Remind me.

As far as Obama being devisive goes, every chance he gets he invents another new reason why the Repubs (or Bush) are to blame for all his own failures as a leader. Obama only came to the "debt table" because the Tea Party forced the issue. He originally wanted a "clean debt ceiling" raise. Obama's poll numbers fell as to his handling of the economy in general. Let's see......it's the fault of the Republicans, it's Bushs' fault, the fault of the "millionaires and billionaires", Wall Streets' fault, The Tea Partys' fault , and let's not forget to blame the Bush tax cuts for the reason we have NO JOBS.

Gee.....I thought the $780 trillion stimulus was going to fix everything. Ah, those were the good ole days when the country believed all the Obama isms.

BTW, Mr.President, do you think you could get your friend Jeff Immelt ( GE ) to pay "his fair share" of taxes? Also, could you ask him to send some of those GE jobs back here from China? After all, Immelt is one of your "czars" isn't he?!

Leona,

OK, with respect to Libya, why don't you enlighten all of us here. What "are we really doing there".

But in terms of dollars spent and lives lost, Libya, compared to the wars the Bush administration is responsible for, is trivial. I don't give a crap what Obama says about Libya. I am just going by the facts as they are reported, some of which are coming straight from people on the ground there. Facts regarding money spend and lives lost are readily available. You should try actually reading some time.

Now, how about addressing the fact that you were sleeping when Bush started the wars that have cost us TRILLIONS, not to mention the loss of thousands of American soldiers. On a public forum you are actually placing blame on Obama for wars Bush STARTED. This is isn't just partisan garbage, it is completely brain dead.

Jsteve, I did not say Obama started all the wars but he was ELECTED to end them. Try reading yourself instead of accusing me of not reading. You can start with what I actually wrote. Put down the kool aid and try green tea . They say it's good for your health.

Lerona, I did read what you said and didn't say that you said Obama started the wars. I am only pointing out that you complaining about us being in the wars that Bush started is pathetic. You make these idiotic rants such as OMG we're in wars (that Bush started) and then try to weasel your way away from such statements. Don't like the wars? Blame the ones that started them, not the ones the wars were handed to.

Also, did you actually vote for Obama? If not, then STFU about what he was elected to do. The last thing we need right now is some Tea Party moron telling Obama supporters what they (the supporters) elected him to do.

Way to go Wisconsin. Despite the union dumping millions into a voter recall campaign you were able to hold the line. While not unscathed you still held back a union onslaught which is bound and determine to bankrupt the state while driving up taxes to pay for their benefits. Never have we seen someone so set on gimmie, gimmie ,gimmie as the public union reps. Way to go Wisconsin.

Dear Gary:

Strange to live in a country where corporations are declared people with rights of free speech but people are stripped of their right to band together to negotiate. Something tells me that ain't what the founding fathers had in mind . . . we hold these truths to be self evident . . . that all men are created equal. . . now how in the hell can I be equal to a billion dollar corporation that is purchasing my "representatives"?

Enjoy your ignorance Gary . . . I hear it is bliss.

Look how much the conservatives put into that election- The darling challenge, the most corporate money in the history of this country, in a state senate race.

It is the new golden rule, Nash----"he who has the gold, rules." We do have to keep fighting to hold on to what we have.

Maybe FR didn't tell us what Rick Perry would do to move us forward because, like all Republicans, they have no intention of moving us forward----their goal is to take us back to the 1900s---their Golden Age.

It's a puzzlement...tell conservatives that the Citizens United decision gives more power to corprorations to donate to elections and they love the decision. Tell conservatives that the Citizens United decision gives more power to unions to donate to elections and they hate it.

How can it be both at the same time?

I neither love nor hate it, Noid. I accept it.

These Wisconsin recalls were and are a waste of time and money. It's going to be pretty interesting to see the outcome next week-

Turns out the unions are not as powerful as they think.

Nash, love your reply to Gary. It certainly puts things into perspective.

As does Da Noid's post.

NJNBNJ, since when is the democratic (small D) process a "waste" of time and money? Certainly an excessive amount of money was spent. Especially when you consider that this fight started over a state budget. But do you deny one of the basic rights of this country?

Nash:

Great points!

You know it is not about the substance with the “Beltway Media” as Rachel Maddow fondly refers to her colleagues.

They spend countless hours on “nontroversies” and trying to convince voters that President Obama is not worthy because he is not behaving like a circus animal and dancing the jig every time they deem it appropriate. Or better yet, he is not doing what the Republicans want him to do.

Case in point…Chris Matthews suggesting the President needs to show “more heart”.

And just how many more jobs will that create Chris?

I know the MSM is attempting to portray Rick Perry as the ‘great white hope” but we have seen this movie and we know how it ends.

Governor Perry is not the answer.

You know when President Obama and the left have hit bottom.

When Glen Beck is in agreement with the President. Heard him say that he is in agreement with President Obama. Must drive some people here just crazy.

Care to share with those of us in the reality-based community what it is that Beck and President Obama agree on?

John President Obama said that after his first year the economy would show some improvement and there would still be some pain for people during the 2nd year, but by the 3rd year the economy should be moving forward again and if it isn't then I am probably going to be a one term President. And of course Glen Beck agreed with the President.

I didn't say that you would like I said that they both agreed on something. C'mon John a little laughter never hurt anyone.

I got a good smile out that richard, thanks.

You'd think Barack Obama and Glenn Beck agreeing would produce a rip in the time-space continuum, wouldn't you?

John Oh yeah.

Have a great evening.

Not the governor's bimbo. David Prosser's bimbo. Check it out.

Wow Susie, are all flaming liberals so fanatic, so hate filled.

Kinda early to start in with the whine, but please indulge yourself, and dont worry about the hangover...

Gary::: Wouldn't know. I'm just following in the footsteps of the likes of you.

Susie-2759697

Just didn't happen as you imagine it. From today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

Waukesha County election fraud - Loser. Many on the left were accusing Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus of vote tampering when she was slow to report results in the Darling race against Rep. Sandy Pasch. An emotional Dem Party spokesman Graeme Zielinski demanded an investigation, accusing Nickolaus of "dirty tricks." After Darling won, Mike Tate, Democratic Chairman retracted the demand.

Susie that is the democrat (ic) way. You do remember Minnesota and Al Franken/Norm Coleman battle where a dem pollster found a few thousand votes (all for Franken) in his trunk a week after the election. Not saying this is the case but the old saying is What goes around comes around.

Would be a wise thing to avoid gloating because it could swing the other way just as quick.

Given Kathy Nicklaus' history of incompetence and strongly implied fraud, it wouldn't be much of a surprise if she manipulated this election.

Question is, "will she get away with it?

Kathryn, and here I thought the left had a valid point about not attacking Obama for being a perceived Muslim. That moral high ground is slippery isn't it? You seem to have taken the big slide down.

Naaah, I don't like ANY religion. Think they are all suspect......and full of perverts.

Thats the part that she likes best.......you know those liberals always looking for a good threesome!

That is funny but I suspect it will not be a cocker spaniel on the ballot.....it will either be a Morman or a holy roller.......

Bob ##'s

No. George W Bush won by having the SCOTUS give him the 1st election and fraud in OH gave him the 2nd. It did not matter that he fell into the job and he did not preside well.

Blew a big ole hole in the budget and ran right through that surplus President Clinton left in the coffers.

Such a pathetic figure!

Texas became the USA's second-largest economy during the past decade — displacing New York and perhaps heading one day toward challenging California — in one of the biggest economic shifts in the past half-century.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2011-06-20-state-gdp-growth_n.htm

Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston continue to lead the nation's largest metro areas in new jobs and the rate of job growth compared with a year earlier, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/05/31/3117145/dallas-fort-worth-again-leads.html#ixzz1UdQqSqwI

If you want a plant to thrive, you plant it in fertile soil and nurture it. It’s the same with business and this is what Texas is doing. It leads the nation in job creation and for nine years running has been the top exporting state. Last September, Governor Rick Perry announced that Texas had created over 850,000 jobs, more than all the other states combined (1), and in 2010, Texas exports totaled more than $206.6 billion, up 26.7 percent from the previous year (2). Texas is not just competing with other states for business; it is competing with Germany, France, Japan and China.

What is the Secret of Texas’ Success?

In 2009, Arthur Laffer and Stephen Moore reported in the Wall Street Journal (3) that “from 1998 to 2007, more than 1,100 people every day, including Sundays and holidays, moved from the nine highest income-tax states such as California, New Jersey, New York and Ohio and relocated mostly to the nine tax-haven states with no income tax, including Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire and Texas. They also found that over these same years the no-income tax states created 89% more jobs and had 32% faster personal income growth than their high-tax counterparts.”

In recent years, the Texas legislature has also been active in passing tort reform measures to cut down on frivolous lawsuits which in the past have stifled business and jobs (4).

http://www.homes360.info/u-s-economy/texas-leads-nation-job-creation-exports/

.......maybe, but they are running out of water and are trying to steal Oklahoma's........but we will stop them dead in their tracks. Urban sprawl is ugly.

Now lets review Obama's results to date:

trending up - the national debt, gold prices and healthcare costs

trending down - the dollar, the economy, job creation and house values.

You can't sugar coat the lowest standings of Texas resulting from a one-party state and the Liberal-Conservatives working to keep Texas' workers the lowest paid in the nation! I repeat:

This Yahoo, Perry, is a discredit to the Texas governorship!

MEMO to all voters:
Perry's greatest accomplishments in Texas:
A 34 billion dollar budget deficit
Texas Ranks #1 in population living below the poverty line ( 17.2 % ).
•Worst environmental record in the United States
•Ranks #1 in illiteracy
•Ranks # 1 on the poorest gun regulations in the US and highest per capita gun murder rates in the US
•Ranks #1 with the highest real estate taxes per $1,000 value of a home in the United States
•Ranks #1 in the lowest high school graduation rate
•Ranks #1 with the highest interest rates “pay day” companies can charge
•Ranks # 1 in those making below minimum wage
•Ranks 50th ( dead last ) in Teacher Pay
•Ranks # 1 (26.5%) who lack health insurance
•Ranks # 1 (20.3%) of children who lack health insurance
•Ranks # 1 in the highest per capita executions in the world
•Ranks # 50th in $ spent for Medicaid for the poor and children
•Ranks 50th ( dead last ) in $ spent on its citizens
•Ranks # 1 in the # of food insecure children.
•Ranks 49th ( the 2nd lowest ) in Medicaid $ given to nursing homes
•Ranks 2nd highest in teen births
•Ranks #2 with the highest home insurance rates
•Ranks #2 with the highest sales tax
•Ranks 49th in $ funded for the mentally ill
•Ranks #1 with the highest overall pollution rate
•Ranks #1 in adults under correctional control
•Ranks #1 in adults under probation

Must not be any talking points on think progressive or other far left sites or I am sure we would have heard from Navy by now.

Tea Party Downgrade from what I heard investors are lining up to loan the U.S. money for Treasury Bonds at 2.5% over 10 years. Will the downgrade now be considered a good thing and I wonder who will take credit for it now.

Yea, the king of the cut and paste group.

Rudy, Rudy Gonzalas, don't tell me you live in California......

Thanks for the information, Rudy. You know you've hit a home run when the Righties turn immediately to deflection and ridicule without even trying to dispute the facts you've offered.

@Rudy, I'm from Texas... but if I have to bash Texas to get it through peoples' heads that Rick Perry is NOT anyone's man, I WILL. Our education system is the worst!!!!!! Perry has done little to help our education improve, and he's been in office for 8 years! Among the many, many, many perils we have in our state...

Leave Debbie Waserman Shultz out of this.

Tony Classic post Great.

No doubt about it Kathryn, no doubt about it.

Notice this time Nicklaus delayed her vote totals until the after the rest of the district was reported so she wouldn't attract attention by adjusting her numbers after they're made public.

To Kathryn Sullivan,

Your Statement "The United States is beginning to stink to high heaven.." let me add to that,

When the American people voted the Bush family into office and let them have total control of everything, they were just following the New World Order (NWO) format.

Everything that is happening now in government is in the plan of the New World Order.

We really need as a country To Research the people we are going to consider for a position in the White House.