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Subscribe to RSSDETROIT, Mich. -- Standing in front of the now decrepit Michigan Central Station here on Friday, presidential hopeful Herman Cain introduced new tweaks to his "9-9-9" plan aimed at relieving low-income Americans from some of the tax burdens of his economic strategy.
Cain, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO, unveiled changes to his plan in which impoverished Americans would be exempted from the nine percent individual flat tax that's part of Cain's three-pronged plan.
"If you are at or below the poverty level, your plan isn't '9-9-9,' it's '9-0-9,'" Cain said.
Cain also used his speech in Detroit to introduce his proposal for opportunity zones: low-income areas of the country that would have certain benefits like deregulating the cost of permits for those who want to start a business.
Cain said these plans had been part of 9-9-9 all along, but earlier this week in Las Vegas, he said during campaign stops that he had yet to release the details of how this plan would deal with poor Americans.
"We simply chose not to talk about this piece earlier such that we could get people used to the whole concept," he said.
Video edited by NBC's Matt Loffman.
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Tweak it? lmao!
What happened is, pizza boy found out a marketing gimmick (9.99) that would add more pain to the already aching backs of the middle class, disabled, elderly & poor fell flatter then the 'sour dough' he passes off on his pizza's!
Nah nah nah nah... hey... hey... hey GODD-BYE!
Did the Koch Brothers permit the tweak? That's generous of them.
DETROIT, Mich. -- Standing in front of the now decrepit Michigan Central Station
Wondering how they picked this decrepit site over all the other decrepit sites brought to us by the democrats running Detroit for the last 50 years.......
Feisty,
We know it means Herman Cain would like to tweak our noses and our brains a little bit harder: so he can wrap us around the tax inequalites he and the 0.01% are pushing.
(ie. If only we'd buy their feudalist vision of the future and shut up about ALEC, Norquist et al.)
Remember when it comes to GOPTP,
NO LIE IS TOO SMALL.
I thought the middle 9 was for corporate taxes. That should save people at the poverty level a lot.
I'm fond of 777 myself. It's a jackpot at the slots & a blackjack at the table.
The middle 9 probably is for corporate taxes and they just went to 0.
Cain thinks that tax cuts for the rich is the best thing he can do for the poor.
Besides 909 sounds like an area code not a tax plan. I can't help but wonder how many other various plans he didn't think we were bright enough to understand from the beginning.
"Got me travelin' on the one after 9 0 9".
So they'll still pay the 9 percent sales tax?
Are you kidding me?
How does that help anything?
Yes, and we all know what you get on the other end of a 900 number.
Rhymes with rude.
Not to be outdone, the Perry camp is ready to come forward with it's "0-0-teensy-weensy tax".
A better title might be 9-1-1. Mr. Cain has ZERO chance of being the Republican Canidate for President.
The Party money is going to be funnelled to Romney and Cain and the other Canidates can't do anything to change the direction of the money flow.
The TEA party spokesman has stated that the objective is to get the Black Man out of the White House. Why would anybody think they would nominate a Black Man. The Republicans get about 5 percent of the Black Vote in the US so why would they nominate anyone except a White Man?
Drive by. What do you mean by "how does paying 9% sales tax" help? He will remove the minimum wage so that the rich can then pay the poor whatever they like (you know 50cents an hour etc.) lots of poor will find jobs. They wouldn't be able to pay their bills or pay that 9% sales tax on anything but cat food. The rich get richer and cat food manufacturers make a killing. Win win for everyone but the poor and really who cares about them? Problem solved.
There are no corporate taxes in Cain's plan.
Those "people" become more equal than the rest of us under his philosophy - representation without taxation.
Although, since 60% of American corporations are already in that category (0% taxation), I guess it's not that big a change.
Ok, so 909 vs. 999, letssee. If Cain's new plan is 909 instead of 999, wouldn't that exclude corporations paying a corporate tax, or am I missing something here. The poor don't pay an income tax under the 16th Amendment, only property owners pay an income tax, right? so the only thing to go up is personal income tax and sales tax, ok now what?
David -- Too funny! : )
Brookings Institute:
Oh NO!! He can't do that! I was having too much fun going:
NEIN, Nein, Nein (said with much inflection)
Leave it to a friggin Republican to ruin all my fun!
A Tweak here .. A Tweak there ... Where is the Original Plan ... Nowhere!!!!!
Politics ..................
Central Station was a perfect setting... right down the street from Crack Avenue. Pols have always dismissed the populous as uneducated, incompetent morons (apparently not bothering to look in the mirror); hence, idiotic "plans" meant only for pomp, circumstance and obfuscation. Think I'll go celebrate with a bag of pepperoni.
At this point, no one believes in 999 anymore, the only question is how is he even polling well in bg states? I think it is purely the stench of Romney that keeps a 2nd candidate alive. No one trusts Romney, he reminds me so much of John Kerry. Just looking at him makes you cringe a little bit, and you always seem to double check your wallet when around them. That leaves us conservatives looking for something viable.
We though JC from Jersey was it, but he backed out. Perry was perfect, until he talked. Newt was good, 16yrs ago...Ron Paul has potential, but is basically un-electable due to his strange positions on some crucial issues. Bachman is, well, Bachman(aka, Perry in a dress). We are stuck now waiting....waiting....waiting....Bueller....Bueller...
anyone against Cain is just a racist.
TEA
Herman Cain, psst, come over here. Listen, you can't win for losing with Teapublicans. They liked you for being consistent. Remember the cheers and loud applaud you got for standing by your hate speech about the poor, the unemployed, and the OWS movement? It doesn't matter if you're wrong, it only matters that you're a Hater like them, and that you will not compromise.
Oh, but then you thought not compromising meant being ideologically consistent? No, brother. You can't say you are against Big Government when it comes to legislating morality, especially abortion. NO, in fact your supporters can't even be consistent about abortion, for example if it is "murder" it can't be allowed even in cases of rape/incest, but apparently it is not "murder" in the case of rape/incest--I know, very confusing.
Well, it doesn't matter, because you never really intended to get nominated, right? And good ole Mitt, if he's nominated, he will have to face national scrutiny on how he doesn't understand that amendments, like the "personhood" definition, to recognize life at conception means most forms of birth control would be made illegal.
How's those apples? Welcome to Teapublican Land.
Looks like a lot of people on this thread are upset about loosing their handout's...Democrat motto today: Its not what i can do for my country, but what my country can do for me...
Mr. Cain would be laughable if this wasn't a serious debate about who is prepared to run this country. Bottom line, none of the republicans are right now. President Obama is a voice of reason rather you like him or not. His foreign policy has been sound and beneficial to the country to date. The economy is a different animal and he needs work there, but he is a quick study and willing to make adjustments for good ideas and shed the bad ones, unlike the republican clones of Lord Norquist. The economy has been in the tank for 8+ years prior to his presidency, he deserves a second term.
Awesome! Different tax rates for different people just what 999 was supposed to get rid of.
Bottom line is that Cain (and the GOP) represent the interests of wall street and the rich and not middle class or the poor.
Nuff said..
Instead of 999, and paying a 9% income tax, lets just take the current % that everyone is supposed to take(before deductions), and scrap all the loopholes/exemptions. That will bring in a much higher percentage, so we could just reduce everyones rate by a set %, maybe 3-5% less than now. It would still be a nice progressive based income system, and would eliminate 100% of the problems. I can't say I know enough about a corporate rate structure to be sure, but it would be fairly easy to do a similar method for the corporations. If a flat % is required, just make a number that would basically put us on a revenue neutral basis compared to current corporation taxes. It might be 15%, or even 20% of profits, but the idea is to eliminate 100% of the loopholes and exemptions.
This is about the only way I can see any real tax changes being called 'fair tax'. I do not support a federal sales tax, in any shape or form. The idea of a sales tax is that it is equally distributed across all levels of society. Since the wealthy save and invest so much of their wealth(the smart ones anyway), most of that money stays out of the economy, and never gets taxed again. I guess if they made all investments include a sales tax as well, it could work, but no one would ever pay a 9% sales tax on an investment that will return just a few % a year. That is why a national sales tax can't work.
Looks like you can have the Pizza for 9.99; but now you don't get any cheese,...9.09.
Who eats pizza without cheese? Classic "Why bother?"
He just lost a lot of the conservative vote because those below the poverty line are a big part of the 49% that don't pay any Federal taxes that the right is always complaining about not paying their fare share.
The middle class is going to go through the roof when they realize that they are the only ones with their taxes going up to effectively subsidize the wealthy. And what do they get for paying a lot more taxes? Reduced services from the Federal government, higher state and local taxes, and the end of Social Security and Medicare.
Pleeeze - let this idiot be the teapublican nominee....
Dude? Prude? Food?
I don't think Cain is owned by anyone. But that aside, the fact is that 9 X 0 = 0 X 0 makes this an easy give for him. In other words it's no tax when you make nothing... not a big give...
But didn't he just invent a new "tax rate schedule" for his "flat tax". Is that possible? I know it just has two entries, but maybe we need a third entry? Then another "0" for the rich? What BS.
So how is he planning to "exempt the poor" from paying his National Sales Tax?
Is he going to give poor people a special "I'm exempt from the NaST" card?
Or is he going to require that they keep all their receipts and file for a refund after paying the "NaSTy" tax?
Oooh, NaSTy tax! I like the sound of that! Much better than Bachmann's "upside-down 666" quip.
I love the "puhleezez let this idiot be the 2012 GOP candidate" you libs spew every time there is a story on any candidate. Guess what?? It doesn't matter which one of the GOP candidates runs, he/she is going to beat the Inept One. I scratch my head and wonder exactly why is it that you think that a guy who has accomplished nothing has any chance to win.
Nobody is fooled by Cain and his 900 numbers.
Or any other Republican for that matter.
@WhiteCollar Auto
Tthat was a knee slappin good one Hyuck Hyuck! Wooo boy so... being an auto industry supporter (Assumption) are you planning on buying a Fiat 500? Im waiting (or cant wait) for the ABARTH model in 2013.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0807_fiat_500_abarth_first_drive/
Remember that Consumer Confidence CPI and Consumer SPENDING is what drives the economy so cmon be real and place blame where it should be placed. On outsourcing, falling demand OUTSIDE of Detroit, and GOP insistence since 2008, on allowing the economy to get worse so that Obama is easier to defeat in 2012.
andyblue: The question isn't whether anyone is fooled by the repubs. The question is whether anyone is fooled by the dems. Apparently a lot are. Otherwise, there wouldn't be anyone supporting Obama. Actually, I don't know of anyone who is supporting Obama. No one is thrilled with the economy he has created. A number are fooled by "it's still Bush's fault" mantra.
Really Mark? I'm a Democrat. I served this Country for 20 years in uniform (retired Army SFC) I served my community as a Paramedic for 8 years. What have you done for your Country? Come on big boy...put up or shut up!
Did Feisty really just call a black man a "boy"?
When boy is used in conjunction with a noun then it becomes a conjunctive noun or could be a noun with a conjunctive adjective. If "Boy" is used by itself THEN you could say it is being used disparagingly.
If a neighborhood paperboy is black then should someone change their reference to said person as a paperman?
Close but no cigar ;)
(article) Cain also used his speech in Detroit to introduce his proposal for opportunity zones: low-income areas of the country that would have certain benefits like deregulating the cost of permits for those who want to start a business.
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As usual, everyone is so interested in slamming Cain and high fiving each other, that you missed the MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT of the plan, opportunity zones and favorable tax structure to bring JOBS to low income neighborhoods.
P.S. Pull out your heads and say pop Liberals.
Business "enterprise zones" already exist. Apparently, Cain doesn't know this.
adidas,
BS. Calling a grown man "pizza boy" is an insult no matter how you try to justify it, and calling a black man "pizza boy" is racist.
Also, if an adult is delivering your paper, he is not a paperboy, no matter what color he is.
Cain is pandering to the working poor--"claiming" that he would eliminate Federal Income Tax on them. If he can "tweak" that way in one week--he can change directions if elected.He paints himself as an outsider, yet he served on the Board of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He states that no one that is poor is trying? When we feel the trample of the feet of corporations on our backs, we can thank right wing weasels.
Herman Cain is a bull@!$%#ting @!$%#. Does he have that on the bumper stickers yet? If you want a Koch Bros lackey, he's your man.
workhorse2010
...... The poor don't pay an income tax under the 16th Amendment, only property owners pay an income tax, right?................
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......Ummmm, no. You can own tons of property but pay no income tax if you have no income. You see, it's called INCOME tax for a reason, not PROPERTY tax. Perhaps you were just trying to confuse things, but that's so easy to do today in a country filled with mouth breathers. Why do you suppose Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity are so successful.
No plan is ever perfect, except for Obama's ever changing plans according to the wrong. Obama has waffled on everything since he was a state senator. Want to bet he waffles on the withdrawal of Iraq too?
The defense contractors have their money on Romney. Perry would have been their man, but he can't convey a thought into speech. Cain's an idiot,plus many rednecks can't cross that color line. Bachmann's out of it, and "christians" won't vote for a Mormon.
So now Cain agrees with Romney that "simple answers are always very helpful, but oftentimes inadequate." It would be nice if Cain would actually release the plan instead of all his BS talking points. Frankly, I think he's just making this up as he goes.
Maybe he took a page out of the Obama/Pelosi playbook and wants America to elect him President before you actually see what his plan is.
Sand, keep praying for Obama so he can finish the destruction of America. He has done nothing to help it. aybe you are jealous of Cains intelligence. Can you even do your own taxes? Do you have a math degree? Every saved a business from bankruptsy? Didn't think so. Neither has Obama, except with taxes paid by the rest of us.
Stand on your own, fall on your own.
RACIST!!!
I don't care what you say your actual problem with Cain is his skin color.
You make me sick. You shouldn't vote!!!
Greg Parker - Been there, done that with enterprise zones, empowerment ones, whatever you want to call them - http://www.enotes.com/biz-encyclopedia/enterprise-zones
The fact is, the concept has been "owned" and "reviled" by both parties depending on who is doing the promoting. Does Cain think he could possibly sell the empowerment/enterprise zone concept when it was a Clinton project that met with mixed results? Would it be an empowerment/enterprise zone if, as Cain suggested, the minimum wage be abandoned in already impoverished areas? Was he envisioning that empty warehouse as a resurrection of the sweatshops?
Fact is, Cain doesn't have ANY idea of what he is doing. Enterprise zones require an influx of cash to assist in redevelopment. He's trying to sell it as a way to cut expenses. If living wages, infrastructure remediation, transportation and utility and communication upgrades are not part of the package they fail - and every bit of those expenditures are off the table for the GOP/TP. To say yea to empowerment/enterprise zones is a commitment to what President Obama wants...so why doesn't the GOP get off their collective arses and just approve Obama's plan?
I don't care if he is an ex-CEO, this guy is a total doofus. Cain, your 15 minutes of fame are over.
he is just like obama,
he also wants to be the president,
the same speech,noisy and CK sh.... pizza !!! and nothing can do !!!!
he talks too much and promise too much SO HE CAN DO A PRESIDENT!!!!!!
Faux Feisty aka penguin boy is back.
Tick Tock.
999=flip flops-dumb as dirt, this guy is history !!!!!!!!!!!
How about 000 or 123. Anything but 666 or you'll give Bachmann more to cry about.
Anna Molly
So they'll still pay the 9 percent sales tax?
Are you kidding me?
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What about folks from places like Washington state, which has no state income tax but an 8.5% sales tax. Do they now pay 17.5% sales tax or does this candidate unilaterally do away with state sales tax? I for one don't see his 9-9-9, or 9-0-9, tax plan having a snowball's chance in hell of passing. Neither for that matter does he have that snowball's chance in hell of getting elected.
Cain's campaign needs to call 9-1-1.
909 yeah thats the ticket it's 909, he is starting to sound like the old Jon Lovits character from SNL.
Ah, actually did laugh out loud at that. :)
I think old man Cain's game is more akin to 'crazy-eights'.
Did I tell you I am married to Morgan Fairchild, yeah thats the ticket, Morgan Fairchild is my wife.
More Lies to modify the message to see how many he can get to come on board with it. Disgusting.
Y'all are just too funny! LMAO
Thanks :)
LOL - good one!
But that will mess up Bachman's whole 666 Cain is evil claims.
Where will the tea extremists with the misspelled signs go from here?
And don't forget that in the poorer areas he's going to do away with minimum wage so more businesses will hire. Just what the working poor need - lower wages than minimum so they can't afford even more. But he'll make up for that by offering 9-0-9. I'm getting a headache.
No wonder her staff is bailing on her...she's now officially out of material. Move along folks...nothing to see here!
So what would our government run on? Zero money for social programs. No social security. No medicare. Very little for security. Cain to the poor: "I won't charge you taxes but to hell with you. Only the strong will survive. I'll make sure of it!" . . . So much for being "Pro-life."
He says he has some study showing it's revenue neutral. Don't know if the think tank that produced that gem realized he was making this exception for those under the poverty line, though.
Now, to me, revenue neutral means it would bring in as much as we'd expect to bring in under current tax structures. In other words, even if you kept social security and the other entitlements, we'd only have as big a deficit under 9-9(0)-9 as we would under status quo tax rates.
And, honestly, I could see that. You're talking about some lesser revenue from those who currently in the higher tax brackets, but making up for that with more from those in lower tax brackets and a sales tax. While that's bad enough - getting more from the poor and less from the rich - my bigger concern is whether the additional sales tax would start a new inflationary cycle and a time when a lot of people are expecting our debt to add its own inflationary pressure (possibly intentional inflation, by those managing the debt). If we were to attempt some higher though controlled inflation - and I don't really see another way out of this debt mess - the question will be whether the powers that be can control the throttle.
Can you say EXPLOITATION ZONES! Let me repeat that - EXPLOITATION ZONES! Why send jobs overseas when you can get the poor to work like veritabe slaves in unsafe conditions, without benefits and for so little pay you would be better off on the public dole! And for those who would say something as idiotic as, "Where are these people's pride" I can only say there is no pride in working to make others rich while at the same time self inflicted upon yourself and your family a state of perpetual abject poverty!
Tank, you hit the nail on the head. What ubsurdity. Wal-Mart is pretty close to that model now. Besides, its their own fault if they are poor according to this guy.
Yes it's your own fault if your poor, but hey, if you buy used items ya don't pay any tax....zerooo! I like to see how may po people buy used grocerys! Cain's a plant,that big money grip has thrown into the mix to keep Mit from winning the nomination, notice Cain did not start rising in the fake polls until after Perry stepped on it? The GOP is self distructing, no way Herman Cain could beat Obama! Obama would make Cain look like Willie FoFo! The solution to the GOP's search for a candidate that attracts Independents (who put Obama in the White House), dissatisified, war weary, unemployed Democrates and Republicans is RON PAUL. Ron Paul not only can beat Obama in the general election, he is the only candidate amoung the GOP crowd that has a economic plan that will save the nation from total economic collapse, end the wars, and get the country working again ending the depression. On top of that Ron Pauls foreign policy will restore our reputation with other nations as a country that values peace, free trade, and respect for international law. America turn off the TV and put down the remote, for five minutes, twenty if your thinking of supporting Herman Cain, and go to RonPaul2012.com and read for yourself Ron Pauls plan to restore America, and his position on the issues that are critical for the nation! Ron Paul said about the OWS folks, he doesn't agree with Herman Cain's statement that it's their fault they are unemployed and poor! The mainstream media is owned by the to big to fail bailout banks that are getting all the special treatment from the Federal Reserve who do not want Ron Paul to become the president. So if your poor or unemployed and you don't want any blame for it and not to pay any kind of taxl, you should consider Ron Paul!
409 at least there is music to go with it.
OR 8675 909
Rachel I thought that was 309 but thats a long time ago.
Still a catchy tune!
Cain, I got your number, 8675309, uh or was that Jenny (I was an 80's teen and I'm dating myself).
I would still use 409, he could say that this tax plan is used to clean up the mess of the current tax code.
I think he should drop the 9s altogether and go with "A pizza in every pot!" You know, a modern twist on a retro 1930s kind of phrase.
NO RACHEL...you just broke my brain.....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Herman Cain is not our savior, but he is definitely our neighbor.
This tweak is exactly what needed to be done to make the plan even better. More power and freedom for everyone including the poor and middle class. Herman isn't compromising with the establishment on either side, he is compromising with the American people. I simply cannot wait to vote for a man who is obviously my neighbor.
I would not vote for my neighbor, he's a putz.
Your neighbor? How is giving the biggest tax cuts in the history of America to the rich a compromise with the American people?
Did Cain also walk back his desire to eliminate the minimum wage? Did Cain also say he was not longer determined to kill social security and medicare?
The zero that Cain threw in his equation is exactly what he plans on doing for the people in America. Zero, nada, nothing. The two 9's left is the 99% that Cain is working hard to defeat.
It's pretty clever, actually. He's now convinced at least one "neighbor" that he's doing poor people a favor by not being harder on them.
I know three people who haven't taken the time to read and analyze his plan themselves. They choose to let snippets and sound bites shape their opinions. Not very clever of those people, actually. In fact, trusting others to give you the answers, no matter how false they are, is the opposite of clever.
Americans first, Simple is as simple does. Simple still thinks that he/she will hit the lottery tomorrow and join the ranks of the 1%. lol
Allmill2 - Simple, along with his wife, started two businesses in the last 24 months of economic turmoil. One is a residential energy auditing company that helps the community reduce their energy bills and usage through analysis and improvement work. The other is a training business that is dedicated to teaching realtors and lenders about the power of energy efficiency in home buying and refinancing. We are putting our money where our mouth is, and we are $75,000 in debt because of it. The last two years have been losses, because that is the way it is when you start a business. Hopefully, the 80+ hrs/week I am working now will turn into a profit in the future.
What are you doing to help the current situation in the country? Complaining and begrudging others?
P.S. - We do buy powerball tickets every once in a while when it gets over 100 million. It is fun to imagine what it would be like to win, and it only costs $1.
80 plus hours a week, yet your on a forum during the middle of the day. i smell bull****!
How about 9-20-9 for the rich??? Or 9-4-9 for the middleclass?? Why are the poor getting a break??? Middleclass needs a break too. And the rich needs a break too???
That's correct. I don't schedule appointments on Friday afternoon because of the regulatory paperwork involved in the job I do. I'll finish up sometime before midnight. Ever heard of Davis Bacon? Ever tried to start a business? Sometimes you have to take a break in the middle of the afternoon to keep from going insane with all of the responsibilities. Do you begrudge me for taking the time I need to recharge, HATR? I figured you would say thanks for trying to help the housing market through energy efficiency. Don't you support that?
no, just seemed fishy. if you are in fact doing as you say, kudos. i'm only able to be on this site while at work due to the computer program i use for data entry(mapper) being under maintenance.
in response to your edit(mine timed out before i could), i did. kudos.
Simpleton, how do you feel about Republicans in the house wanting to reverse green initiatives enacted by Pelosi. In your view, are CFLs a waste of time?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/28/republicans-foam-coffee-cup-environmentally-bad
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CFL bulbs use less watts than incandescent bulbs which can save on electric costs. They are also filled with mercury that can be hazardous if broken or disposed of improperly. The light they put out is not as desirable to the eye as the incandescent. Some of my customers refuse to have them installed because of those concerns. The future will be LEDs. They are nice except for the ridiculous price, although they have come down a little bit in recent months.
I think regulating light bulbs is silly, and our politicians have better things to do with OUR time and money. The free market will decide if they like a product based on its usefulness and performance. The government meddling in that is nothing more than lip service to their base, no matter which side of the aisle is doing the meddling.
Reducing air infiltration into a home and sealing ducts can save much more energy than CFLs. Have you done that to your house? If not, why not?
Darn, I thought Cain was one Repub candidate that would stand by his ideals ... but nooooooo ... just another Romney, probing and switching directions to find out what the public will buy ... no different than the retards he's running against. So now he's trying to win the poor black votes ... lol Why did I allow myself to even think (slapping forehead) that Cain actually was one that would actually stand by what he said? These politicians are all alike ... only interests they have is getting elected ... PERIOD! Lie, miss-lead, miss-inform, whatever it takes.
One thing good about making it to heaven someday ... no politicians will be there.
I think Cain is using this candidacy for the same purpose as Palin.....to line his own pocket with his book sales.....why else is his campaign illegally buying books from his company. FEC rules forbid a candidate from "profiting" from the campaign.
Anti-Trust, I agree with you 1000%. I believe Cain is having a grand old time at his contributors' expense just seeing how many people actually buy into his irrational hype. Sadly, a lot do. This will make his book a great seller and like you said - just like Palin.
"Cain"? "'Zero"? Yes, I believe I see the connection, Mr Obvious....
Why not just find poor people a job! Then they would not be so poor and screw up your pizza promotion of a tax plan.
That would be the logical and obvious thing to do, but he'd never do that - it would require some effort on his part, and most importantly, it wouldn't benefit the Rich.
The Republicans never support anything that doesn't benefit the Rich.
Cain one-ups Marie Antoinette - "Let them eat pizza!"
Golly Gee! A Republican presidential candidate modifying something he was firm about previously. Wow!
I am a disabled veteran with psych and physical ailments from my military accomplishments between 1990-1993. I don'tpromote or DEMOTE political campaigners but I can tell you I was on 7 psych medications and chose to stop taking them over a year ago. I have a service dog (MARLEY) she helps with my anxiety levels but without me using “Black-market” marijuana its harder for me to control, without marijuana the ARTHRITIS in my back would be more painful. I have a young friend of mine who is diagnosed with MS (multiple sclerosis) he too benefits from the effects. I say to you the readers KNOW-THE-FACTS…..If it’s legalized it too would stimulate the economy by shutting down unneeded prisons and government spending on prison guards , low-level law officials and programs like” NARK” and “DARE” that eat at local community budgets(This would put the MONEY back where it came from Social Security, Healthcare and WEL-FARE). These are local programs formed by the government under the “war on Drugs” with money bribes to your local politicians. why do you think we all want to know now “WHERE DID THE MONEY GO ?”How about the $$Billions The IRS pays out to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS under the ACTC (addition child Tax Credit) , ITINs (Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers) have become increasingly linked to fraudulent tax claims which is said to be over $$ 4 Billion a year.It’s hard for me to believe the Agency LACKS the legal authority to challenge such tax returns!The budgets are done every year the money is hidden in programs!!!Have we forgotten we gave IRAQ “GRANTS” to rebuild not LOANS ? How about the tsunami $$ to Japan to rebuild or to Indonesia to rebuild OR HAITI after their earthquake to rebuild ? I have an IDEA use US tax dollars to help the US TAX PAYER……….The sad part is we the people didn’t vote for that congress did for us. when we have a crisis we don’t have the money . Not to mention the new STATE “regulation” on pain medication means I now have to drive to my doctors once a month instead of once-every 3. The raise they are considering for SSDI is a joke compared the the gas$ increases over the past 3yrs. WE keep writing laws that keep LOW-income, LOW-income. wall-street has the gas market cornered their job is to make their investors money, it’s congress that’s spending our money and draining the purse not WALL street. Try sleeping at night knowing the country i was injured protecting is the same country I’m now fighting to legalize an” alleviation” from my symptoms.”Follow ME I’m The Infantry" !!”
let me first say that i'm all for legalization of marijuana and i personally use it. the money everyone talks about it making is great but no one seems to factor into their amounts the money that states would lose to the smaller crime's fines(simple possession, paraphenalia), which i would bet outnumber the cases of people who get jail time. lawyers would lose money too as marijuana possession is a huge amount of what they defend. i'm sure there's others who would lose money too if it got legalized that i'm not thinking of right now.
They could tax the living daylights out of it and make way more money, plus alleviate the overcrowding in jails AND create a ton of jobs.
I don't personally imbibe myself, but I can certainly picture this: "The great reefer bubble pulled this country out of the second greatest depression in our history" in our history books in the next century. That would be awesome. I predict that the next century will be scratching their heads trying to figure out what took us so long to capitalize and exploit this in the private sector (because it is certainly being capitalized in the government).
No sarcasm intended at all.
James Hale, while I like your idea, but are you going to post the same thing on every forum that is out there...no matter the subject of the forum? It is starting to get a little old.
How about 5-10-20-30 ???
5% National Sales tax on everything but Food
10% Flat Tax for those making less than $250,000
20% Flat Tax for those making over $250,000
30% Flat Tax for Corporations - reducing to 20% and even 10% with US jobs growth incentives
Only ONE deduction for taxpayers ... mortgage interest on primary dwelling only.
Repubs ... like that one? I'm a moderate Democrat now ... come on, tell me you like it!
Why should I as a renter subsidize your mortgage?
JDawg ... then buy yourself a house and rent it to yourself ... then when you're ready to buy, BINGO ... the buyer will give you one hell of a deal. lol
I don't want to buy a house, and the mortgage interest deduction means I as a taxpayer have to subsidize your house purchase. This shouldn't be.
I knew I needed to say I was a Republican instead of a moderate Democrat ... lol
It's okay, nice try. It's not too late to leave the dark side...
Ill vote for it macnfries!
JDAWG... Why as a homeowner, should I have to subsidize your or your kids, education, police, firefighters, roads, etc. Homeowners have to pay a real estate property tax to their local municipalities that you as a renter do not have to pay. Yet, you as a renter get to enjoy all the same benefits that those local property taxes pay for. The mortgage interest tax helps to offset some of that. It works both ways. Or are you willing to start paying the real estate taxes on the apartment or house you rent?
The Mortgage Interest Deduction was set up with good intentions - to increase home ownership - but it has also caused many problems. It artificially inflated real estate demand, driving up prices and fueling the real estate bubble that burst with such disastrous consequences. It encourages people to buy larger and more expensive homes than they otherwise would have considered, thus living beyond their means. It gives the biggest benefits to the wealthiest people buying the most expensive homes, in effect subsidizing the rich at everyone else's expense.
Unfortunately, we cannot simply eliminate the Mortgage Interest Deduction, too many real estate purchasers are relying on it, so ending it would result in a massive meltdown of our real estate and financial system. Putting an annual cap on the Mortgage Interest Deduction, and gradually reducing that cap over several decades might work, though.
One thing rarely mentioned - Cain's "999" plan (9-9/0-9?) eliminated most deductions, presumably axing the Mortgage Interest Deduction too.
STLMIke - renters do pay property taxes, they're a portion of our rent.
STLMIKe
Dont you think that the rent includes all or some of the property taxes especially if there a positive cash flow on the rental property?
STLMike --Actually the person or company that the renter is renting from would be paying the property tax (for school, fire, police), usually from the monies they get from the renter. Unlike you the renter doesnt get to take the deduction. And I dont believe the property owner can either since it would not be their Primary residence. But they maybe could if it was a business deduction, not sure about that though.
Crazy Cain's so-called fair tax plan is still nein-nein-nein. He's the total repug teabagger tool.
Cain,, Cain.. Cain.. You still aren't able. Cain't you understand that your plan is still top heavy to the top one per cent. I guess you say that we were stupid enough to put the repubs back in power in congress and around the nation in 2010, we are stupid enough to fall for your disingenious tax plan. Well you do have some fools that have fallen for it, but the vast majority of us have learned our lesson this time. If you took that 909 plan and boxed it you will get the number 099. Believe me , we the 99 per cent will not be fooled again. So you see Cain, not only you Cain't win, but you most definitely aren't ABLE.
We need a 0-0-0 tax plan...yeah, thats the ticket.
Oh yeah...the republicans were nver going to make this guy the candidate...pssst he's black
Cain is going to be the next great president.
Nice to dream is'nt it.
pssst color only matters to the dems.
Pleasee, this guy will not get the republican nomination. SHoot, they really don't want a Mormon, let alone a black man. If all else fails they'd vote for Ron Paul first.
DOUG23
Pssst you're delusional
MV-skeptic...
Psst... you've been reported for violating the COH with a personal attack on Doug. You may not agree with him but the personal attack is unwarranted.
STLMIke
Psst. Delusional is an opinion just like doug23's insinuation of racism toward a particular group.
The biggest racist here is Cain for his comments yesterday.
StLMIke: You reported someone to the warden because he said someone was delusional? You're scary. Very scary.
Hard to believe a lot of Republican voters seem to like this guy. Inconceivable!!!
well, you know how some white women are about black men ... lol
Kathy, it's not Republicans who adore this dope. It's tea baggers. Mainstream Republicans laugh at this guy. He's an embarrassment to real conservatives.
He's an embarrassment period...
The Bible has nothing against being rich, it does place responsibility on those that are to use this gift to help the underprivileged. Using phony mathematic scales without showing the details and its effects is the greatest hypocrisy. Closing down Medicare and Social Security while creating "economic zones of less than minimum wage" is the most regressive plan since the pharaohs. Then again I remember the Biblical Cain was no saint though perhaps on a smaller scale!
What Cain is say is that the poor pays NO federal taxes therefore it's '9-0-9'. This is NOT NEW NEWS! The problem with the '9-9-9' plan on the poor is the the last digit. An extra 9% sales tax on consumables would create huge tax burden on the poor and elderly on fixed income.
It doesn't matter anyway, because '9-9-9' does not generate sufficient revenue and it shifts tax burden from the wealthy on to the middle and lower class. Then again, that is GOP plan for stimulating the economy LOL
Mr. Cain, make up your mind. Now it's 9-0-9 for the poor. How liberal of you. Of course, the 9% sales tax won't hurt them at all, right? What a clown.
It really is hard to take this serioulsy. This thread so far has been pure comedy! :) carry on....
Maybe Cain will come back and say "It was a joke, can't anyone take a joke? I really didn't mean what I just said, it was meant to be a joke."
Just like the "N" word on the rock. First it was a bad thing for Perry to say nothing about it, then he said a day later, it was just a word. No harm was meant, the word was painted over.
I heard and saw the clip of Cain's comment about the electric fence and it did not sound like he was joking to me.
"We simply chose not to talk about this piece earlier such that we could get people used to the whole concept," he said."
Translation: "Now that every economist has seen thru this back-of-the-envelope marketing gimmick, it really should be called '9-0-9' and the poor get free pizza, too!"
That would be "used pizza" and dollar store food...
This is crazy talk! You can't Mix 9s and 0s! That's like mixing Apples and Oranges! Apples and Oranges don't mix, trust me, I've tried. Apple-Orange juice taste awful!. You can't have Apple 9s and Orange 0s mixing all willy nilly, it'll just make one brown mess!
The whole apples and oranges is very misleading. Those are things that people might actually want.
A better analogy would be something like cancer and aids.
"No no no, you don't get it. You already have aids. Were not going to cure that. Were just going to give you cancer too!"
Yeah, that works better.
I mix apples and oranges all the time when I make fruit salad.
That being said, my problem with Cain is the 9-9-9 or now 9-0-9 but also his empowerment zones, decreased wages in those areas, also the fact that you get a deduction if you move to one of those areas. That just seems exclusionary. And wrong on so many levels. My impression was that Obama was trying to get America back to work by creating Jobs in low income areas by clean up & rebuilding in those areas. I can go for that, but Repubs wont.