Bill Clinton's comment was hindsight. hindsight is 20/20. Liberals, like myself, are very healthy people. Physically, intellectually and emotionally. We are not conspiracy theorists who darn our weapons because of lack of trust towards others. We aren't against our government. We simply want it to work for us. That is all of us. The 99% as well as the 1%. Not just the 1% as it currently does. Liberals make the world turn (Just in case you slept through the Arab spring) Republicans just like chaos and use military force to create it, not stop it, when necessary.

Liberals, like myself, are very healthy people. Physically, intellectually and emotionally

Ana, you may be like that, but apparently you haven't read many of redwig's posts! She in particular is the antithesis of your statement! As a representative of a hard core progressive, she is a small example of why liberalism today is dying!

@Pride Liberalism had been dying because none of us wanted to fight back against the militant Republican playbook that seems to also use the Luntz/Rove semantics with words to defile the word "liberal". Well, I think that's over. And thank god for Feisty as she says exactly what she thinks which is what all liberals should be doing, loud and clear, and not allowing our selves to be defined by Republicans. Finally, we are defining Republicans as what they are, mind-altered drones for the rich. Go OWS!!! Go Ohio, Go Wisconsin!!!

The politics and not the timing is what should be looked into. The country, you'll expect should come first rather ideological play was displayed which was a complete show of shame. A display where lobbyist showed there strength, adults refused to be adults and common sense was so elusive.

At the end of the day, the deal that was signed was a complete joke. Obama's blame must be measured.

Of course the Repubs want to make Obama a one term president - just as the dems didn't want Bush re elected.

phinephancy-4252115-

To the best of my knowledge, the Congress has NEVER VOTED to increase the debt limit ABOVE 14 TRILLION DOLLARS before. There is a point where Congress must say no! If Obama would take off his rose-colored glasses, he would see the gravity of the situation. This 14 TRILLION has put the United States on the brink of bankruptcy. Earlier votes did not put us on the brink. There is a difference.

You know the old adage, "the straw that broke the camels back". Well we are real close and I am glad some in Washington (on both sides of the aisle) see the writing on the wall.

The reason you're mystified Tom is you listen to the tea people GOP republican radical taking heads to much. They're lies would mystify anybody.

Mo-1852032-

Actually Mo, I think for myself. The position I have taken is just common sense. Would you not agree that if you spend money you do not have, it will eventually create a situation where you cannot borrow more and cannon pay your bills as they come due? That reality should not be that hard to grasp. Unless, of course, you think printing more money (and devaluing every dollar out there) is the solution. Then you also must be wearing rose-colored glass. I think they are standard issue for many of the liberals.

Ben, apparently you don't watch Meet The Press or Chris Matthews. President Obama gets plenty of criticism there, particularly for not being more like "Jack." Frankly, I think Michelle must be very glad Barack is not more like Jack, but poor Chris is terribly disappointed.

Can anyone say the Libs/Dems are "jumping ship?"

After all, Axelrod made a reference to the Obama re-election campaign being like the Titanic !

"Oh Hillary, Hillary , we are so sorry we turned our backs on you.......what were we thinking? We elected a novice (Socialist) instead of you!"

LOL

You've miss read that sinking ship LEONA. It looks like it's sinking because of all the independents and real Republicans jumping on board. But don't worry your silly little head, President Obama has several more ships lined up to take on all the supporters for 2012.

Mo,

Wow. The kool aid is strong today.

The kool aid is tasting pretty good LEONA. At least our's is real kool aid, unlike the tea people GOP republicans.

Ben, now that FR has 'broken the ice', so to speak..... when can we start hearing stories about:

Discussing Obama's relationship with Corzine.

Discussion the far reaching and evolving scandal of Solyndra and other Green 'loans' made without proper underwriting

Details of Holder's Fast and Furious program and how much did Obama know!

These are just a few of the things I'd like to see more of before Thanksgiving...........!

Steve,

The answers you'll get to those questions you asked about the other negative Obama stories are...............

Crickets.

Amy,

They are not his to control.

Shows where your thought of government is "control"

Being a proponent of government control may work at First Read, but not with the public in general. That is part of the reason Obama's strength is eroding!

MRWSR.

EvaPeron

It was a joke, as in, Clinton is blaming Obama for letting the Republicans make us look bad. That's pretty silly.

Amy,

Then I am sorry.

Amy, I took your comment to be no more than tongue-in-cheek, but I wanted to make the point that increasing government control is what Obama wants! And that my friend, is exactly what I don't want... !

Peron - you have that flipped. It is not Obama who wants to control, it is republicans. Evidenced by legislating a woman's uterus, fighting anti-gay discrimination, fighting to supress voters, fighting workers rights to union representation. The list of republican control over citizens lives is long. I have yet to see an example of Obama 'controlling'.

Red,

Obamacare ?

@ Leona:

"eventually" is a long way from being legally repealed. It does not matter how much you and other Republicans wish to get us back to the dark ages. Health care reform is here to stay.

A GOVT. RUN HEALTHCARE SYSTEM , in effect, will lose good doctors and there is already a shortage of doctors for the elderly.

I don't think that is what Americans want. There are ways to make healthcare more affordable without a govt. takeover. Unfortunately, that's not palatable to the Socialists who prefer "single payer."

Too bad so many Americans believed Obama when he said " you can keep your doctor." That was a flat out lie.

in effect, will lose good doctors and there is already a shortage of doctors for the elderly.

That is just because the cuts from the Republicans in the percentage that doctors and hospitals were getting for doctor's visits to the elderly with Medicaid. It is absurd.

Not only the elderly, the disabled too.

I guess you " Republican Christians" do not mind that many seniors and many disabled people will just not have any access to minimal care. You keep looking at people and making your rules under the assumption that all of you are always going to be young and healthy.

How can we have those cuts to medicaid, and at the same time repeal the health care reform from President Obama? I guess you said that because you and your family have a nice insurance policy -never mind the rest of us-

LEONA listens to the radical conservative talking heads to much. The problem is in stead of making up her own mind she lets them tell her what to think.

"it doesn't work"? Says who? 19-26 yr olds who again couldn't get coverage? Those w/ pre-existing conditions? Most of the program hasn't gone into effect yet. And you want us to believe you give a rat's behind about the elderly given the republican plan alternatives? The real hurry to repeal is not that it doesn't work, its that you're afraid it will and once we see that, its here for good.

marv,

There may be some aspects of Obamacare that patients like but when businesses are asked, they want a waiver from Obamacare. That's why it won't work.

Even if it did work, Obamacare doesn't allow you to "keep your doctor" . Most doctors do not want to accept govt. fees for their services. The doctors who are considered "the best" will end up taking only "rich" patients because only they will pay the necessary amounts, out of pocket, to get the best services.

I am a christian and obama is a socialist.

MRWSR.

Watch out. You're going to give socialism a good name.

To late Amy he already has.

Doles: "For you to call this guy (Obama) a socialist is simply unbelievable. "

What part of "spread the wealth around" did you miss when Obama said it ????????

lol

LEONA, nowhere in the definition of socialist does it mention "spreading around the wealth". You need to do a little reading before you post your nonsense. The tea people GOP republicans are making you look foolish.

Mo,

Please tell me the fundamental principle of socialism and what role the government plays in it?

Mark from Lake Tahoe, you lost all respect when you told the lie that Iran had nukes. Go back to Fox (aka tea people GOP republican propaganda machine) forum where they believe these lies. Here we deal in facts not lies.

Mo,

Here is the IEAE report.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/06/us-nuclear-iran-idUSTRE7A50KE20111106

Its not fox or republicans or tea party. This is real. So quit your rants and get on board.

I could make a bunch of bad analogies, but I think that in the old days when the rats left the ship, they also drowned. Maybe this is Captain Ahab and the crew is compelled to chase the White Whale and they will all meet the same end. Maybe it's Captain Bligh - in which case he actually got the better end of the deal. Fletcher Christian and the others ended up killing each other. Maybe it's the Andrea Doria wandering in the fog. Maybe it's Pickett's Charge or the pointless Siege of Stalingrad. Whatever, there is little chance that if the Dems don't stick together, that any of the survivors will be better off in 2016. It's not a game of chicken where they can hope that the GOP drives us off the cliff after 2012. In all likelihood, we muddle through. With the GOP's money and general apathy among most voters, their version of muddling through usually sells better.

MRWSR nowhere in the link you tagged does it say Iran has nukes. So I repeat "Mark from Lake Tahoe, you lost all respect when you told the lie that Iran had nukes". But now you have to be included in that statement also MRWSR.

In 2008 Independents voted for Obama to prove they are not racist.....

In 2012 Independents will vote Republican to prove they are not stupid.....