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Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Good Morning Feisty, Thanks for exposing the hypocrisy and LIES of the RWNJs & Joe Walsh. I think Herman Cain's Sex, Lies, and Politics is noteworthy too.

Voter Suppression to Issue 2 in Ohio Is Real.

What is true is not all voter ID laws are created equal. Some require voter ID be shown, but allow for the voter to vote a provisional ballot in the absence of ID (FL), or sign a sworn affidavit in the presence of election officials if no ID is produced (AL). Spend some time studying the nifty interactive MAP at the National Conference of State Legislatures site and learn for yourself that these laws aren’t as draconian as some in the media suggest. Plus even though many Bills were submitted, very few actually passed. Some have been held over to 2012, but in Montana the Bill that was passed was vetoed. Even West Virginia couldn’t get a Voter ID law on the books. It’s ugly out there, I’m not denying it, but I’m also seeing that in some ways this fight is as much about what constitutes an ID as it is about making it harder to vote. I agree that in many areas this is flat out racism at its core and we definitely need the help of the Department of Justice to mitigate some of the effects of these laws as enacted. The two most obvious examples of this are in Texas and South Carolina. In both cases, the laws have come under the purview of the DOJ for reasons better documented elsewhere.

One of the keys to helping us stay rational in all this will be learning the laws in the States where Obama won in 2008. Some of the States with Electoral importance have yet to codify their Voter ID laws. I take heart in that the laws that have been passed have been watered down, and I no longer feel helpless about this process. It’s only voter suppression if we allow it to be.

It comes down to this: Education, Education, Education. Frankly that’s what it was in 2008, too. Because the Obama campaign had a laser focus on voter regfocus on voter registration, it brought huge numbers of new people into the voting universe who were not there before. Even people who were already registered to vote required a great deal of education, especially in the caucus states. People who had never caucused before, myself included, swelled the ranks in support of candidate Obama. It will be much harder this time; there is no way around that. This challenge is doable. We can win this. Voter registration is the key. As long as we stay focused on helping people comply with the voting laws of the State where they live and wish to vote, and don’t allow the hand-wringers to paralyze us with their angst about ‘voter suppression’, we will prevail. Of this I am completely confident.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/11/voter-suppression-reality-check.html
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I suppose RWNJs are flummoxed as to how does this relate?
One of the keys to helping us stay rational in all this will be learning the laws in the States where Obama won in 2008. Some of the States with Electoral importance have yet to codify their Voter ID laws. I take heart in that the laws that have been passed have been watered down, and I no longer feel helpless about this process. It’s only voter suppression if we allow it to be.

It comes down to this: Education, Education, Education. Frankly that’s what it was in 2008, too. Because the Obama campaign had a laser focus on voter regfocus on voter registration, it brought huge numbers of new people into the voting universe who were not there before. Even people who were already registered to vote required a great deal of education, especially in the caucus states. People who had never caucused before, myself included, swelled the ranks in support of candidate Obama. It will be much harder this time; there is no way around that. This challenge is doable. We can win this. Voter registration is the key. As long as we stay focused on helping people comply with the voting laws of the State where they live and wish to vote, and don’t allow the hand-wringers to paralyze us with their angst about ‘voter suppression’, we will prevail. Of this I am completely confident.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/11/voter-suppression-reality-check.html
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I suppose you are flummoxed as to how does this relate to your response? In OHIO early voting has been eliminated a method of voter suppression.

These include: cutbacks in the days available for pre-Election Day voting, making it harder to assist voters with registration, eliminating Election Day registration and requiring proof of citizenship to either register or vote

Early voting: U.S. elections are traditionally held on Tuesdays — an obstacle for many low-income working people, few of whom are given time off to vote. So 33 states and the District of Columbia now allow early voting — including on Saturday and Sunday. Many Americans, particularly minorities, have taken advantage of this.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67555.html#ixzz1d2AsmQfG
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Here's the bottom line-- RepubliCONS are using these Draconian laws as voter suppression as well hoping voter apathy will prevail. Thief and dirty tricks is the intent of the right wing straight out of the Karl Rove play book aided and and abated by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) & the shadowy, spooky, Koch brothers.

What is ALEC?

http://alecexposed.org/wiki/What_is_ALEC%3F

A requirement for voters to present a government-issued photo ID at the
polls and for voters to enclose a copy of such an ID with any absentee
ballot.

B. A requirement that all new voter registrations include the requirement
that the registrant present proof of citizenship before the registrant is
declared

http://alecexposed.org/w/images/9/91/7G8-Resolution_Opposing_Federal_Takeover_of_State_Election_Procedures_Exposed.pdf

EXPRESS MAIL DELIVERY FOR MILITARY BALLOTS ACT

SUMMARY: An Act to utilize express mail to reduce the delivery time of ballots
from overseas military voters who are citizens of the State of ____— from the
current period of 3 weeks to four days.

http://alecexposed.org/w/images/3/3f/7G0-ALEC_Express_Mail_Delivery_for_Military_Ballots_Act_Exposed.pdf

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Education & mobilization is the key here since "We Can't Wait"

In OHIO early voting has been eliminated a method of voter suppression.

These include: cutbacks in the days available for pre-Election Day voting, making it harder to assist voters with registration, eliminating Election Day registration and requiring proof of citizenship to either register or vote

Early voting: U.S. elections are traditionally held on Tuesdays — an obstacle for many low-income working people, few of whom are given time off to vote. So 33 states and the District of Columbia now allow early voting — including on Saturday and Sunday. Many Americans, particularly minorities, have taken advantage of this.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67555.html#ixzz1d2AsmQfG
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Here's the bottom line-- RepubliCONS are using these Draconian laws as voter suppression as well hoping voter apathy will prevail. Thief and dirty tricks is the intent of the right wing straight out of the Karl Rove play book aided and and abated by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) & the shadowy, spooky, Koch brothers.

What is ALEC?

http://alecexposed.org/wiki/What_is_ALEC%3F

A requirement for voters to present a government-issued photo ID at the
polls and for voters to enclose a copy of such an ID with any absentee
ballot.

B. A requirement that all new voter registrations include the requirement
that the registrant present proof of citizenship before the registrant is
declared

http://alecexposed.org/w/images/9/91/7G8-Resolution_Opposing_Federal_Takeover_of_State_Election_Procedures_Exposed.pdf

EXPRESS MAIL DELIVERY FOR MILITARY BALLOTS ACT

SUMMARY: An Act to utilize express mail to reduce the delivery time of ballots
from overseas military voters who are citizens of the State of ____— from the
current period of 3 weeks to four days.

http://alecexposed.org/w/images/3/3f/7G0-ALEC_Express_Mail_Delivery_for_Military_Ballots_Act_Exposed.pdf

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Education & mobilization is the key here since "We Can't Wait"

Cain says "DON'T GO THERE". Who the he!! does he think he is? The clown wants to be the President of the United States of America, but we have NO right to ask him questions. That's Dictator thinking. The media and the people won't let this one go and they shouldn't.

Cain, answer the questions or get off the stage.

Obama in 2012.

Cain says "DON'T GO THERE". Who the he!! does he think he is?

That's what I would like to know!

Anyone else remember 2008 with then candidate Obama & the MSM drumbeat about coming across as an 'angry' black man?

Fast forward 4 years & the SAME MSM are reporting Hermie's temper as 'free spirited...

What a crock of crap!

ABR = Anyone but Romney!

PS: Good Morning Bev - deadbeat daddy Walsh is TOAST in 2012! ;o)

@ Feisty --

Why are you so surprised about the Joe Wilson thing?

You know it's all about ideological purity and sloganism.

As Newt Gingrich actually said, when confronted with his own little scandal, "do as I say, not as I do."

Somewhere along the line they confused that with the Golden Rule, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

And that explains a lot, actually.

California Tom:

Cain says "DON'T GO THERE". Who the he!! does he think he is? The clown wants to be the President of the United States of America, but we have NO right to ask him questions. That's Dictator thinking. The media and the people won't let this one go and they shouldn't.

See what I mean?

@ Joe --

Ah. I see you've finally realized that you can't defend these goons. ;-)

Toss-up: CO, FL, IA, MI, NV, NM, NC, OH, PA, VA, WI (147)

FL, NV, NC, PA, VA, OH are red states that flipped to blue in 2008. The rest are blue states no more. It is over. The fat lady is warming up. The super committee will make a deal. Obama can't run against a do-nothing Congress and gets the boot in 2012. Cue the credits.

Yes, that's right. Let's bring down the country economically. Remember, Clinton and his administration voted in the mandates that made banks give home loans to unqualified buyers and repealed Glass Steagall. Yes and Freddie and Fannie want another 6 billion with a B. That brings the total to around $200 billion and their bosses got $13 million in bonuses for losing that much money. Way to go obama!

Saw recently where the ‘fat cats’ of Wall St actually got fatter under Obama than under Bush. Also saw the rich got even richer the last 3 years. Seems all that ‘socialism’ of the past 3 years is making SOMEONE happy, huh?

Say there, Smiff, Me First Bill, No Jo, Spanky- can you all help shed some light on this? I’m evidently running a little slow today….

Feisty, goes to show you that in the world of obsessive focus on social issues, family values only applies to votes and not personal actions. What a joke Tony Perkins made of himself and his so-called family values group.

California Tom, agree, Cain must answer the questions. Amazing how the right rallies around sexual harassment as if it only matters when it's democrats.

RWNJs are flummoxed to Herman Cain "high tech lynching". That is so utterly untrue. First of all, Cain is not being lynched he is at the top of the polls. I find it ironic the RWNJs scream racism when it is their area of expertise.

For the record, nobody on the left called Cain's transgressions "high tech lynching" or one of our Blacks

AS far as OWS GOES BILL' O & the lying FOX NOISE ECHO CHAMBER would have portrayed the civil rights movement as a bunch of dirty, sticky, homeless anarchists.

For all RWNJs here are pictures of what an actual lynching looks like:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bjqmGmHDb1w/SC06s4kEaXI/AAAAAAAAAd0/AJeIyJJNNqI/s320/Cuba%2Blynching%2B1912.jpg

http://www.americanlynching.com/images/pic12.gif

http://santacruz.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/2/hang.jpg

Here are a pictures of Emmit till who like Cain allegedly made sexual advancements to a white woman:

http://u.jimdo.com/www37/o/sd1b612821ad017b7/img/if431b4f416c5ad70/1297815381/std/mr-emmett-till.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZ1wnhfM96FH4zAGsGDVcpzLSwJEsNxYx9gnPNQImAJJp2WLQt

If anything cain should complain having to sing negro spitual

He's a socialist, a progressive, a conservative, a Marxist, he leads from behind, he's a serial apologist, and he's the most divisive President in history. President Obama makes it look as though Sybil's biggest problem was applying her makeup.

Labels just don't cut it these days - never did, really. Labels aren't much more than a shortcut to stupidity. The majority of people who call themselves Republicans are NOT Republicans. They're RINO's. True Republicans belong to the Party of Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln, now there was a divisive President, probably the most divisive President in the history of this nation. This was the man who took this country into the deadliest war we have ever fought; brother against brother, father against son, family against family. That is divisive. And the President who prevailed in the fight to preserve the union - The United States - is remembered as the man who made The Party of Lincoln, not the most divisive President in history.

During that terrible and destructive war, he issued that Emancipation Proclamation, the document that made it possible for Barack Obama to become President. President Obama, the man who now leads the United States, who presents proposal after proposal to a "Republican"-controlled House is rebuffed time and time again. The President who tries to bring sides TOGETHER is rebuffed constantly.

Over and over and over, with depressing regularity, he offers compromise. He takes "Republican" proposals to "Republicans", and their twisted "leaders" shoot them down, over and over and over. "Republican" leaders have a single mission, the defeat of President Obama. Nothing else. THAT is divisive.

"Republican" leaders like John Boehner can stand up, look the American people in the eye, and tell us that Grover Norquist is just "a random person". John Boehner signed the "Norquist Pledge". Fellow random persons, why don't you just walk into Boehner's office and ask him to sign a pledge?

These are the same Republican "leaders" who tell us repeatedly that government is the enemy. Yet, Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, Pence, DeMint and so many more "Republicans", just like them, have been drawing government paychecks the entire time we have watched our national debt skyrocket. During that entire time, they have had the power to check that spending, but it wasn't until President Obama took office that they suddenly had their epiphany.

Republicans, the Party of Lincoln, the party that fought to preserve the union? Not in this universe. NO! Their "leaders" and every single one of their Presidential candidates promises, guarantees the destruction of the union. They drive a wedge into the American citizenry at every opportunity. They promote civil war and that is not hyperbole. That is fact. The policies they promote can lead to nothing EXCEPT the destruction of the union.

Republicans, TRUE Republicans, those who proudly belong to the PARTY OF LINCOLN......Take your party back.

Why are you so surprised about the Joe Wilson thing?

Trust me Anna Molly - nothing surprises anymore me with the family values freaks...

Astonished is more like it! ;o)

I see even the Washington Post has now realized that Public Sector Pensions are unsustainable.

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/pension-pain/2011/11/03/gIQAlYWctM_story.html

And in California where Governor Brown has actually proposed a 401(k) alternative.

Perhaps no place illustrates more vividly the magnitude of the public-employee problem than San Francisco. The City by the Bay now supports 26,000 public employees -- and 28,000 retirees, ballooning its pension “obligations” by $100 million a year.

www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/big_labor_backlash_OQMt4iaEjFqQmuRXSAtq6M#ixzz1d1x3TdZ8

Add to this the fact that 10,000 people are retiring daily and any logical person can see that SS/Medicare are not going to be "saved" by taxing the rich "a little more".

It will be interesting to see what candidate in 2012 is willing to tell Americans the truth about the depth of the financial crisis in government at all levels, and explains that tax increases AND painful cuts are necessary.

At least we can depend on the Super Committee to solve all the problems.

JoAnna:

At least we can depend on the Super Committee to solve all the problems.

And that's why I never liked the Super Committee.

But tell me -- was this part of the 98 percent of what he wanted that Boehner got, or the 2 percent that he didn't?

Labels just don't cut it these days - never did, really. Labels aren't much more than a shortcut to stupidity. The majority of people who call themselves Republicans are NOT Republicans. They're RINO's.

Not bad David, you contradict yourself in two sentences.

But Republicans -- not the news media -- aren’t letting the Cain story go away

I hope that all the people blaming the media and others read the news this morning. -Including Herman Cain- that is bringing the race card in desperation.

Feisty and Joe WALSH (not Wilson anomaly, now use the it's hard to keep the scumbags straight l,ine you and your gang always use)) = desperation.

A week of beating down on Cain and you all got no where. 93 stories in Politico, 2 dozen here at FR and he is still standing.

The media did not create Herman Cain. The media can not tear him down.

It was fun to sit back and watch you all twist in the wind last week.

"Lift the Gag order!" you all screamed. They did, called their bluff, and everyone clammed up.

Simply hilarious.

BTE FR, California is "leaning" Democrat? Really?

The lead article talks about how close the race for president will be one year out. The libbies here don't want to talk about that. Why? probably because they don't have a viable candidate. The republicans haven't even got to the point of nominating a candidate and the race will be close? I told you lefties to get out there and find a viable candidate months ago, you didn't listen. Good luck.

1/20/2013 the end of an error

Joe In Albany -- Article on Jack Abramoff. The ex K Street lobbyist. He was on 60 Minutes last night explaining how lobbyists control Congress. Indeed he had control over 100 members of Congress while working there. He explained how he actually changed laws by having changes written and inserted to serve his business clients. Interesting segment and the article below highlights his take on things. Including how reforms have done little to nothing to change lobbyists influence and control.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57319075/jack-abramoff-the-lobbyists-playbook/

@ White Collar Auto --

What was that you just called me? ;-)

Feisty and Joe WALSH (not Wilson anomaly, now use the it's hard to keep the scumbags straight l,ine you and your gang always use)) = desperation.

LoL Why should I when you just did it for me? It's VERY hard.

Seems to me the desperation in that is all on your side.

You don't want to be associated with either of these scumbags so you try to blame them on us.

Anomaly, I am, and don't you forget it.

Fisty had nothing to say today so she went into the minutia to pull that one out.

Solyndra - taxpayers take a back seat, Obama in bed with the bundlers from Solyndra, hmm. Howmuch kickback will we find?

Fast and Furious cost an American officer his life. Obama's gun running will come home to roost.

No comment from the Leftists....

Feisty Redhead:

The social conservative advocacy nonprofit; The Family Research Council awarded IL’s very own deadbeat daddy Joe Walsh a 100 percent rating as a “True Blue” member of Congress.

The reasoning behind this honor?

Walsh’s “unwavering support of the family”

Ah, but they didn't say WHICH family. Clearly it's not Welsh's own family. It must be some other family. Maybe the Koch family?

Good going there, Alan. NEVER, NEVER address the issue. Deflect, divert, ignore!

The RINO appellation is accurate in every respect. It clearly says what they are NOT! There is no attempt to pretend they have a single point of view or that they march to the same tune. All you have done is to shine a light on the fact that if the RINO's share a commonality it is this: THEY HAVE NOTHING.

David Walker......excellent post. I too, wonder about these so called Republicans who get upset when it is pointed out how their party has changed, and is rampant with, bigotry, racism and hate. We are not all like that, I'm told, or I need to get out more, or there are similar people of both sides, well then why are those so called moderates, not speaking out?

Silence assumes assent. Show me you will fight for your principles, show me that you are not in agreement with those running your party and show me it is not OK to send out emails showing the President with a bullet hole in his head as happened recently in Virginia and no national outcry.

Sure, let's talk about the Supercommittee. Republicans have been stating that they're going to make sure the sequester provision never kicks in. They're going to make sure there are no tax increases. They're going to make sure there are no defense cuts. They're going to make sure there's no reduction in corporate welfare.

How are they going to accomplish all that?

Some of them have said they're going to vote to overturn the sequester provision if necessary. That would be the ultimate failure of Republican policy...turning their backs on something they forced and voted for only MONTHS ago.

The RINO appellation is accurate in every respect. It clearly says what they are NOT! There is no attempt to pretend they have a single point of view or that they march to the same tune. All you have done is to shine a light on the fact that if the RINO's share a commonality it is this: THEY HAVE NOTHING.

But it's not a label? You talk about deflect, divert ignore. Your whole post is that. You don't want to address the current administration policies by focusing on the opposition to take back their party? That's all the Democrats have right now. We're bad but the other guys are worse.

You really think it's not hard to write up the same argument for today's Democrats? You think Nancy Pelosi is in the same space as Tip O'Neil? I think Steny Hoyer is a mainstream Democrat of days gone by but Chris Van Hollens is an out-and-out partisan, and don't even mention Debbie Wasserman Schultz. You think Harry Reid, Dick Durban and Charels Schummer can hold a candle to Daniel Patrick Moynahan?

How about you forget the labels, those that come after the name, and focus on the legislators? As I have said I support senators like Gillibrand and Webb, Coburn and Crocker.

Feisty, et al

It should obvious to all by now that the GOP do not care anything about sexual harassment, non-payment of child support, or the welfare of children in general. These are "social issues" dealing with fair treatment and human dignity. Something the GOP regard as the personal responsibility of the individual or their legal guardians, not society.

The GOP do not believe they are their brother's keeper.

The GOP do care if you are a Christian.

The GOP do care about the color of your skin.

The GOP do care about the poor knowing their place and staying there. (Cheap Labor)

The GOP do care about the middle class eroding into poverty. (More Cheap Labor)

The GOP do care about the rich getting richer.

The GOP is all about saying one thing and doing something is.

"We uphold the Constitution!" and then violate it chapter and verse.

"We believe in the Bible and Jesus Christ" and then violate the ten commandments and disregard the teachings of their messiah.

If their lips are moving, they are lying, OK? Nuff said.

Now today's topic. The polls discussed above do not mean anything this far out and they are even less valuable if they didn't "normalize" the results without a head-to-head comparison of the candidates.

I would bet we'd see some dramatic changes, especially in the "soft" support states if you asked the question, "And now, thinking about the election, in a contest between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney who would you vote for? Obama vs Perry? Obama vs Cain?" Without that direct comparison the numbers don't mean jack.

Oh, and the MSNBC headline about "racism" in the race. The allegations against Mr. Cain are not racial, unless of course you believe that all black men are sexual animals incapable of controlling their sexual appetites. (Return with me now to those thrilling days of the 19th century) Mr. Cain's race has NOTHING to do with the issues regarding the sexual harassment complaints or his over-fondness for the Koch Brothers or his inattention to the details of foreign policy. But those ISSUES have everything to do with his ability to be the President of the United States or represent WE THE PEOPLE.

Later Dudes and Dudettes

Obama/Biden 2012

Joe in Albany

The term DemoWhore comes to mind:

LMAO!!!!

From Politico:

Ex-Pelosi aide's turnabout work

Ole Joe you never fail to amuse me with your comical GOPolito links.

How 'bout those Robber Barons on Wall Street you so idolize who will not share the American Pie with you?

Nancy unlike the KochCLOWNS doesn't speak softly with her wallet. She does support a J-O-B-S BILL. Those RepublicanClowns in the House suck off the teat of the tax payers and do nothing to earn it except take time off and stall, and stall, to wreck the economy.

Where are the jobs Republican promised?

http://bartblog.bartcop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cartoon-koch-bros-circus-jpg.jpg
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It's been 305 days since Republican John Boehnor took the gavel and there have been zero (0), nada, zilch, J-O-B-S.

Instead the RepublicanClowns are focused on right wing cultist bills that is supposed to remind us of the motto "In God We Trust" is the national motto and not "E Pluribus Unum." "God" is very important to the RepublicanClown hypocrites. The RepublicanClowns care nothing about unemployment, cuts to education/police/fire personnel due to budget constraints, a widening income inequality, and foreclosures. Jesus fed the hungry.

How many times much I post the link below for you to get it?

http://whenarethejobs.com/

You can bet the American people are sick and tired of Republican and blue dog gridlock. No matter how many dumb links you post, overall the American people are behind the President when it comes to J-O-B-S creation and no tax cuts for the rich!!!

If you must LOL, laugh at what a joke the RepublicanClowns have become to America. You can NOT refute it either.

JH-479998
The lead article talks about how close the race for president will be one year out. The libbies here don't want to talk about that. Why? probably because they don't have a viable candidate. The republicans haven't even got to the point of nominating a candidate and the race will be close? I told you lefties to get out there and find a viable candidate months ago, you didn't listen. Good luck.

1/20/2013 the end of an error

It is also the likely end of affirmative action.

Thank you Skip...Just touching in 2 of the lies:

The GOP do care if you are a Christian: They are becoming fast and furious to be the Muslims -Taliban- of the United States. They are desperately trying to abolish all programs for women, such as birth control and abortion, in the name of God. They keep of passing laws that allow prayers in public places. No respect for any other religion or atheism.

The GOP do care about the color of your skin: You only need to listen to Rush Limbaugh 5 minutes talking about President Obama.

Ole Joe you never fail to amuse me with your comical GOPolito links.

How 'bout those Robber Barons on Wall Street you so idolize who will not share the American Pie with you?

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Bev, you might want to direct your anti-Politico venom at your friend the Nasty Redhead because she was all over their Herman Cain story last week. If it's good enough for her, it should be good enough for you.

LMAO@U!!!!!!

A 99%er who is doing just fine without any govt programs to "help" me.

David Walker: "Republicans, the Party of Lincoln, the party that fought to preserve the union? Not in this universe. NO! Their "leaders" and every single one of their Presidential candidates promises, guarantees the destruction of the union."

I beg to differ.

Most people agree that our destruction will come from $15 trillion DEBT , huge entitlement programs and NOT having a budget !!

Alan, NJ:

I will not get into a back-and-forth argument with you, because yes, you do deflect. I have on many occasions disagreed with Dem proposals. That is to be expected. They don't get everything right. I am not a party hack and you either know that by now, or you are exceedingly slow on the uptake.

However, to support my contention that the G.O.P. is bent on keeping a perfect record insofar as it gets everything 100% WRONG, I tell you to simply look at the record of the House, since "Republicans" took control. Show me one single action that supports their supposed concern about jobs, jobs, jobs.

You cannot show any such thing. What you can show is attack after attack on personal rights. That's it. I don't care how you try to present their actions, there is absolutely no intent to provide jobs or to foster an environment that would create jobs. Indeed, we have now had a decade, and then some, of tax cuts that supposedly create a favorable environment for "job creators". To this very moment, that remains the G.O.P. solution - tax cuts. The result, no job creation and a continued flow of the nation's wealth into the hands of the wealthiest. Worse, that wealth represent capital that has been stripped of it productive use in the U.S. Oh, it goes overseas, but it sure doesn't create jobs here.

Go piss on someone else's leg.

Leona:

You be sure to get that message across to YOUR most excellent Republican legislators in the House. You know, the House, that place where budgets originate. Tell them to get a budget in place. You might want to avoid John Boehner on that issue though, his 13-page budgets don't include numbers.

Irespond,

Thanks.

Had a little typo in my previous post. (Yeah, like that never happened before) My point is the numbers in the poll are meaningless unless you include a head to head comparison of the top candidates. I think I got one too many double negatives in that sentence and it turned to jibberish. Since the GOP posters are fluent in jibberish I'm sure they got my point, but I'm not so sure about the rest of you. (Rule #1, never miss a chance to GIG the opposition)

Obama/Biden 2012

@ David and Alan --

Lordy, lordy, boys .... how the testosterone is flying.

Must be my lucky day. ;-)

Alan, to be fair to David, RINO is more descriptive shorthand than it is a "label."

David, to be fair to Alan, I have no idea what I just said.

Your pal, Anomaly ;-)

Rational AmeriCAN

Fisty had nothing to say today so she went into the minutia to pull that one out.

Solyndra - taxpayers take a back seat, Obama in bed with the bundlers from Solyndra, hmm. Howmuch kickback will we find?

Fast and Furious cost an American officer his life. Obama's gun running will come home to roost.

No comment from the Leftists.

Permit me Rational AmeriCAN,

First of all , Solyandra and Fast and furious all started under GW Bush.

Secondly, this is nothing more than a witch hunt and distraction for RWNJs in the Republican House to paint the President's administration as corrupt. That within itself is disingenuous; particularly, for all the Crook& Liars (RepubliCONS) who also got funding as well as had failures.

Thirdly, You have a criminal running the investigation. That'd be Darrel Issa the infamous car thief and arsonist and only criminal in Congress.

Finally, this Blackberry subpoena exposes just how much of a freak the RepubliClowns are.

The freaks in the RepubliCLOWNland are looking for a woman and won't be satisfied until they pay some bimbo to come forward to lie. Then they will ask him to pull his pants down to prove there is not a distinguishing characteristic the bimbo says he has.

Does Clinton ring a bell?

Soooooo since this testimony is about about "Wider Receiver" a program under the Bush administration which coincides with "Fast and Furious" run by the same agents and the same U.S. attorney’s office, how is this any different? What does it have to do with Eric Holder; apart from Holder being a Black man a gang of Republicans want removed; ditto President Obama????

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/01/justice-official-regrets-not-speaking-up-about-federal-gun-operation/#ixzz1cVm6p6TN

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Would you RWNJs be satisfed if you could eliminate all democrats and Blacks?

At this point in House Oversight & Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrel Issa’s tenure, the American public has come to expect hearings full of ad hominem attacks, politically motivated inquiries, and investigations stacked to favor Issa’s preferred industries and Republican campaign contributors.

Issa’s consistent pattern of “oversight” in the form of partisan witch-hunts and Obama-bashing has finally sapped the committee of any remaining credibility. Even without a specific conflict of interest in each hearing, he has created such a general appearance of impropriety that everything he does is suspect

issawatch.couragecampaign.o-A total waste of time and money.

BTW: Where Are The Jobs Republicans?

In the GOP We Do Not need a motto we have had since the 50s -- Give Us the Currency (J-OB-B-S) --We need J-OB-B-S-- not mottoes!!!

Everyday it's the same people saying the same things here.

The same ol'' people who spend their time telling you whats wrong with the party they don't support and how the opposing will help to destroy America. What's worse is that these people actually want everyone too believe that a PARTY is more important than individual candidates.

Here's an idea: Instead of talking about whats wrong with the other party all the time, why not spend the same energy on telling us what's so great about the party you support?

But I suppose it's easier for the simple minded ones to cast aspersions toward others rather trying to convince people that their party choice is the best and the candidates they support are better than another.

Joe Albany:

A 99%er who is doing just fine without any govt programs to "help" me.

Joe is another of those rugged conservative types who don't travel on roads built by the government, who don't eat food inspected by the government or take medicines approved by the government. Joe builds his own roads when he wants to go somewhere and knows how to inspect his own food for safety and his own medicines for their safety and effectiveness. These ultra-far-right conservatives are truly awesome!

Alan N.J.

That's all the Democrats have right now. We're bad but the other guys are worse.

Nope. It's "we've done pretty good, but we could have done much better without an obstructionist Republican opposition." Saved the auto industry, and added private sector jobs for 20 months in a row. The Obama administration has also brought the unemployment rate down by more than 1% from its peak of 10.1%. That's still terribly high, but if the Republican obstructionists were to get voted out of power in 2012, it could probably be lowered much more and much faster.

You can deny that the Republicans are deliberately trying to slow down the economy to defeat President Obama, but you can NOT deny that the Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell said his number 1 goal was to defeat the president, and also crowed about his cleverness in voting against Obama's proposals simply to deny him the legitimacy of bipartisan approval, regardless of the merits of the legislation.

Not that I expect the voters will throw the Republican bums out who caused the economic disaster in the first place and are now impeding the recovery from the disaster they created. The independent voters of the low-info persuasion historically have been guided by the rule that "if economy bad then president bad, and me no like president." I'm not convinced that Obama can change the minds of people who don't like to use their minds in the first place.

My wife and I have a garden. We don't inspect our food because we know where it came from and what conditions it was grown in. On average, we get sick about once every three years or so. Usually it is a mild cold that will go away on its own without medicine. If not, there are many home remedies that work as good if not better than what I can buy at a pharmacy. We've also paid over $700 this year just in federal gas tax.

ITM12 --

Everyday it's the same people saying the same things here.

I know it's only Monday, but I'm guessing this will win Anna Molly's Irony Award of the Week.

You see, this is really all YOU ever talk about.

Alan, to be fair to David, RINO is more descriptive shorthand than it is a "label."

David, to be fair to Alan, I have no idea what I just said.

Your pal, Anomaly ;-)

Lawyers, can always see both sides of the argument :)

David, there are multiple bills that were sent from the house reducing EPA regulations on businesses that would help to create jobs. Now whether you think job creation should take precedence over these environmental rules is a different argument.

On the tax cut issue. Employment during the 0's was pretty good. Now whether it was caused by low taxes, running a deficit (stimulus in other words), or by a housing bubble is up for debate. However, I think as good argument can be made for tax cuts as for stimulus and I know the Administration thinks so. If the President could not win the argument for ending the Bush tax rates in 2010 then he is a lousy politician. More likely he agreed to the extension because he knew it was further stimulus and that a good economy would help his re-election. Further, this Administration has continually made the argument that payroll tax cuts aid job creation.

On the Republicans votes on personal rights I agree. Maybe it will come back to bite them in the election but in a poor economy I don't believe it will. I personally liked what Clint Eastwood recently said on this type of issue.

"These people who are making a big deal about gay marriage?" Eastwood tells the magazine. "I don't give a @!$%# about who wants to get married to anybody else! Why not?! We're making a big deal out of things we shouldn't be making a deal out of ... Just give everybody the chance to have the life they want."

Your problem is that you don't like it when someone disagrees with your pontifications. Grow up Dude.

Simpletonian:

On average, we get sick about once every three years or so. Usually it is a mild cold that will go away on its own without medicine.

Lucky you. I take zinc. Works about the same.

If not, there are many home remedies that work as good if not better than what I can buy at a pharmacy.

I wonder how that would work with cancer.

We've also paid over $700 this year just in federal gas tax.

Might be time to think about growing corn.

Seriously.

Houston

That old crap about the roads the government built and the food the government inspected and the medicine the government approved is really getting old. Who's money does the government use to do all this good stuff? Do they use the poor people's money? Do they use the 47% of Americans that don't py income taxes? You better thank whoever that we have successful people in this country that give enough to our fine government so they can get those things done because without their money the poor wouldn't have the roads to use or eat safe food or get approved medicine.

Lefties can spin anything. LEAN FORWARD - this won't hurt a bit

1/20/2013 - the end of an error

@Houston!

Nope. It's "we've done pretty good, but we could have done much better without an obstructionist Republican opposition." Saved the auto industry, and added private sector jobs for 20 months in a row. The Obama administration has also brought the unemployment rate down by more than 1% from its peak of 10.1%. That's still terribly high, but if the Republican obstructionists were to get voted out of power in 2012, it could probably be lowered much more and much faster.

At least you make a positive argument, not that I agree with your statistic on unemployment (it went down 0.1% this month simply because more people stopped looking for work). It's a pretty useless metric to be honest.

JH-479998

Houston

That old crap about the roads the government built and the food the government inspected and the medicine the government approved is really getting old.

Facts apparently have an expiration date after which they no longer need to be recognized if they are judged inconvenient by the far right wingdings. I learn something new here every day.

Who's money does the government use to do all this good stuff? Do they use the poor people's money?

Kind of besides the point, don't you think? Or are you saying you're willing to give up "the good stuff" like paved roads and safe food and drugs if you can get out of paying taxes?

Do they use the 47% of Americans that don't py income taxes?

Actually, the 47% of the population who don't pay federal income taxes DO pay regressive state and local taxes that do support the general public. It's interesting how these low-income people so enrage conservatives, but it's OK for people like Mitt Romney to pay less federal income tax than an average middle class worker.

Alan, NJ

At least you make a positive argument, not that I agree with your statistic on unemployment (it went down 0.1% this month simply because more people stopped looking for work). It's a pretty useless metric to be honest.

Are you saying it didn't have anything at all to do with the fact that over 100,000 private sector jobs were added last month? I would kind of think you'd have to add that number into the equation.

Alan, NJ:

Name one of those regulations - just one - in which the tradeoff was not money for health. The attack on regulation has, in virtually every case, a negative impact on the public. Since the attack began on the Reagan watch, we have had the S&L failure, the ONGOING Wall Street crash, the systematic attack on the lower class, and much more.

The fact is most small business people really don't care one way or another about regulations. Here's a link: http://www.citizenvox.org/2011/10/31/small-business-owners-think-the-attack-on-regulations-is-misguided-and-a-bad-idea-jobs-crisis/

That is anecdotal to be sure, but I'll give you a first-hand anecdote. Some regulations are a pain in the ass. Every business man knows that. However, the overriding concern of a GOOD businessman is staying in business. That's how it is.

On the front end, we pay a small amount of tax. That's the way it works as you build a business. As your success increases - along with your income - your taxes go up. In every case, you still have more than you had in the past, progressive tax rates notwithstanding.

I don't mind disagreement. I have been wrong. However, when all you can spout is valueless talking points that I have already heard with mind-numbing repetition, you're damned right I don't like them.

Once the absolutely specious "uncertainty" talking point was dispatched to a well-deserved death, the right-wing choir started singing the "Regulation Hymn". It's BS.

Anna Molly,

Vitamins can be a good supplement. They are not regulated or approved by the government so it's a good idea to do some research before you buy. Fresh vegetables are a great source as well.

- I wonder how that would work with cancer. -

Is there an approved medicine that cures cancer? I wish I would have known that while I watched my father wither away for two years taking morphine and codeine. Those prescribed drugs just didn't help.

- Might be time to think about growing corn. -

I was thinking it might be time for the government to use the money we're already paying to fix the roads. We did try growing corn one year, but it takes up too much room for not much yield.

Alan -- I've posted a few fact checks on your claim that ending regulations create jobs. Unless the Bureau of Labor Stats is wrong I think it is demand that will produce more jobs.... 1100 lost jobs due to regulations, 144,000 jobs lost due to a decrease in demand that is a fact.

@Beverly in Chicago,

Did that rant make sense to you in your head before you typed it out?

- Solyndra was started under Bush - true! But it was the government loan after Obama was president that is in question here.

• -The deal to loan them half a billion of mine and your dollars prior to them going bankrupt is the questionable activity.
• -Knowing that Obama has been to Solyndra and spoken on their behalf trying to push them along is problematic,
• -knowing that Obama has relationships to the Solyndra investors is disgusting
• -but placing the investors in the private company ahead of USA taxpayers in the event of impending bankruptcy is criminal.

I will stop there because I don't want to confuse you, honey!

Houston

You make very little sense. Please tell me what facts have an experation date. The fact that tax dollars do all the good you talk about? Or the fact that roads are built with out the help of the poor in this country? I like the fact that I pay taxes and the money goes toward projects that benefit all Americans. What the hell makes you think otherwise?

Since 47% of Americans don't pay federal incomes taxes don't you think it is about time to get the federal government back to their real job of security of our nation? Don't you think that they should get the hell out of the jobs that states should do for themselves? And then don't you think that all of those Americans who want to enjoy the things that states do should actually pay SOMETHING? You better take a good look at what states have the "regressive' taxes you talk about and you will see that the ones in seriious financial trouble are quite BLUE.

"Fast and Furious cost an American officer his life. Obama's gun running will come home to roost.

No comment from the Leftists...."

What? About Obama signed funding for Project Gunrunner into law in 2009, bundled into H.R.1 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009? (His first attempt at funding it failed) "$10,000,000 shall be transferred to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses for the ATF Project Gunrunner".

Or that supplying gunrunners (for/from) a foreign nation that was used on US soil to kill American citizens? Or that under OUR laws that makes Obama, Holder and the rest traitors and murderers. Well, it does if we are still under the US Constitution and American laws.

@DCIA

So you make the argument that less regulation does produce jobs, in your case 1100. I did not make the argument that lessening EPA regulations is good or bad because in my mind it depends on the circumstances. For example, say we stop dumping CO2 into the atmosphere tomorrow. Now environmentally that may be a good thing but economically it would be suicide. So lets argue the merits of individual regulations.

On the comparison of demand to regulation to use a phrase its apples to oranges as one does not happen in isolation to the other. If there is huge demand then regulations will diminish in importance as the pricing point for the good or service will be easily include the marginal costs of the regulation. however, in times of weak demand then the cost of regulations become more important as pricing power is reduced and every cost becomes magnified.

This also covers your point David. Every (EPA) regulation is a trade off between money and health. How could it be otherwise?

David Walker, You bring up Republican budgets??

READ UP....Here's the TRUTH...

"As required by law, House Republicans presented a budget in committee, brought it to the floor, and passed it earlier this spring. It was an honest, detailed, concrete plan to put our budget on the path to balance and our economy on the path to prosperity. But Senate Democrats, during this time of national crisis, failed even to present a budget plan — in open defiance of the law and the public they serve. Senate Majority Leader Reid said it would be “foolish” to have a budget. The reason for this evasion is clear: Democrat leaders in Washington think it is politically foolish to commit publicly to the kind of tax increases and health-care rationing that would be required to sustain their vision of ever-expanding federal government."

Alan -- In my world there should be no trade off. People before profits. When you look at the costs of containing and controlling pollutions or safety it would put but a minor dent in profits and save a great deal of money in other areas such as healthcare. Some in that industry are good stewards of the earth and its people and they are very profitable. Why is that? 1100 jobs in the overall picture is a blip...not worth the trade off. Tell them to quit spending their money on lobbyists and put their money to better use such as cleaning up their messes.

Are some regulations silly.....you bet. Let's weigh each according to the impact of the negatives without thought to money.

Sorry, couldn't finish the sentence above. If anything Obama should complain having to sing Negro spirituals without his banjo.

Obama is a caricature and liar unfit to be President. Even FOX Noise thinks so.

Simpletonian:

Is there an approved medicine that cures cancer? I wish I would have known that while I watched my father wither away for two years taking morphine and codeine. Those prescribed drugs just didn't help.

I'm a two-time survivor. Early detection and surgery saved my life. But chemo has been instrumental in saving the life of my daughter's grandfather.

I sincerely hope your father explored those options. But I realize they aren't perfect. They didn't work for my stepfather, either. He died of pancreatic cancer within 3 months of diagnosis. Talk about withering away.

Zinc doesn't work for everyone, and yes, I've done the research on it. Thanks.

JH-479998

Houston

You make very little sense.

You don't make any sense at all. You're just blathering.

Please tell me what facts have an experation date.

YOU claimed that the government provides services even to ultra conservatives who pretend they're totally self-reliant are "old and tired." That's a totally ridiculous thing to say, so I ridiculed you by saying you must think facts have an expiration date if you don't like them.

The fact that tax dollars do all the good you talk about? Or the fact that roads are built with out the help of the poor in this country? I like the fact that I pay taxes and the money goes toward projects that benefit all Americans. What the hell makes you think otherwise?

The "fact" that the poor don't pay for roads is not a "fact." They do pay regressive sales taxes and fees in most states that go to local road projects. And poor people tend no't use the Interstate system a whole lot if they can't afford a car or the cost of gas for driving long distances. But people like you still want to push people living on the brink of poverty into starvation and homelessness by forcing them to pay federal taxes they can't afford to pay. Nice.

And then don't you think that all of those Americans who want to enjoy the things that states do should actually pay SOMETHING?

Well, they DO pay for them in state and local taxes, but that's another fact that have passed their expiration date.

You better take a good look at what states have the "regressive' taxes you talk about and you will see that the ones in seriious financial trouble are quite BLUE.

Wow, I didn't know states with wretched living conditions like Mississippi, Alabama, and Lousianna were still blue states. I thought that all changed after Nixon's "southern strategy" drew all the segregationists away from the Democrats.

Leona:

The quote you put out there for your low-intelligence counterparts is Republican in origin. On its face that is no reason to suggest that it is false, although the G.O.P. has shown itself to welcome habitual liars to its fold.

That fact notwithstanding, please be so good to show us the law Senator Reid defies openly? "Defiance of the law..." was the expression you quoted WITHOUT attribution. Like many others, I am mystified how the country continues to run without one of those budget thingies. Continuing resolution? Meaningless fights over debt ceiling increases? Changing parameters that are already in place for budget changes? Concessions over tax cut expirations?

Come on Leona. Enlighten us. If you can't do that - and of course you can't - just tell us why Mr. Boehner doesn't put on his man pants, his leadership lederhosen, or whatever, and show us the way? He is the Speaker after all. Don't Republicans know how to lead?

Houston

I never "claimed the government provides services even to ultra conservatives who pretend to be totally self- reliant". That is in your feeble mind buddy. You have to stop pretending that everything you think is real. that would be a good first step in your recovery from progressivism. One more fact for you. Lousianna has been owned by democrats for a very very long time. They are improving now with a Republican Governor. "Mississippi since the year 2000 has been noted for its political conservatism, improved civil rights record, and increasing industrialization". That is from the states history records. The Alabama State Legislature came under Republican control for the first time in its history in 2010. So please tell me how the "wretched living conditions" you talk about can be the fault of republicans or conservatives. I am right, you make very little sense. Some would call you a liar but I'm too polite.

Who's blathering Houston? You need to do some research. If you actually knew the truth you might switch to the right. But the left still needs the uninformed to pass their aganda.

Don't_carry_it_all:

Thank you. I see the question even more starkly. Is it important that we cut regulations to further the enrichment of far too many who already have more wealth than they need? Is it more important that we protect our air, water, and soil for EVERYONE?

That these questions even exist in the political world speaks to moral, spiritual, and intellectual bankruptcy.

To bury this debate under the utterly ridiculous question, "Who shall decide what is more wealth than someone needs," is embarrassing. If it must be asked, here's the answer. Put me in charge. I'll handle that nagging issue. For starters, Mitt Romney has more than enough. The Kerry's have more than enough. The Koch's, Kennedy's, and Rockefellers have more than enough. My wealth pales in comparison to those named, and I have plenty.

David Walker,

Isn't this one sentence by Harry Reid enough to impeach this incompetent fool they call Senate Majority Leader?!

"Senate Majority Leader Reid said it would be “foolish” to have a budget. "

Hey, David, don't you pay taxes like half of us? You sound like a tax/spend liberal who's on the govt. dole.

David -- The most important sentence in your post:

That these questions even exist in the political world speaks to moral, spiritual, and intellectual bankruptcy.

You speak with heart and truth my friend. Don't ever stop as they are trying to bankrupt us all.

Thank you. I see the question even more starkly. Is it important that we cut regulations to further the enrichment of far too many who already have more wealth than they need? Is it more important that we protect our air, water, and soil for EVERYONE?

So I hope you never travel any means other than people powered, although the process of manufacturing a bicycle probably polluted the environment in someway (how did they produce the energy to forge the metal, mine the ore....).

Be serious. Every environmental regulation is a trade off and if you don't accept that then you are arguing from an unrealistic position. You see I do accept climate change, it was the advocacy of the potential effects that ruined their position. Remember, the glaciers on the Alps were gone in 2037 or something. So, lets have a rational argument of the effects of a regulation, is cleaner air worth 1000 jobs? Lets have a debate on who will win who will lose if the climate changes. One thing I do know is that we are not so brilliant that we can maintain this climate exactly as it is for the foreseeable future.

I'm not an absolutionist for either side.

Leona:

Your response tells me you cannot answer the questions I asked. You deflect, divert, and ignore. Those aren't tactics, Leona, that's ignorance.

What's foolish, Leona? Is it, "Deficits don't matter," from Dick Cheney? Is it two wars that were deliberately moved off the books? Is it waterboarding that is a clear violation of law? Is it a Medicare benefit that has not been financed?

Now, Leona, here's another question. How does one impeach a United States Senator? It has only happened once in the history of this country, and there was no conviction. Do you really expect a Senate that includes the likes of Jim Inhofe and Jim DeMint to impeach someone? And you have the nerve to talk about incompetent fools?

Why do you and your low-intelligence repeatedly advertise your complete ignorance and expect to be taken seriously?

What is it that makes me sound like a tax/spend liberal? Is it the fact that I'm a veteran? Is it the fact that I went to college? Is it the fact that I ran my own business for about 25 years? What is it Leona?

David,

People who name call , like yourself ("your low-intelligence repeatedly advertise your complete ignorance") , are on the wrong side of the facts. Didn't anyone ever tell you that?

Furthermore, I went to college also, own a business also and sent 2 kids to college ( paid for it myself) . So, dont think, for one minute that I would be intimidated by you and your name calling. That says more about you than it does me.

You are defending Harry Reid's comments. Anyone who thinks , like Harry Reid , that it's "Foolish to have a budget" is a tax/spend liberal, as far as I know.

Leona -- Where did you get that quote from on Reid? Could you post a link so i have some context?

Dont carry it all,

Many have written about that quote from Reid.

Google it and take your pick of articles. You can decide what source you like .

Leona:

As far as you know? What you know is what the propaganda machine puts in your head and nothing more.

Show me where I defended Senator Reid's comment. Hell, show me where Senator Reid made that comment.

I've asked you questions and you keep coming back with crap. Deflect, divert, ignore. Weak, Leona. Pathetically weak. How do your propose to impeach Senator Reid for a comment you don't seem to be able to find? How Leona? Show me where Senator Reid acted in defiance of the law! Show me.

Your baseless accusations and your hollow responses may play well for the low-intelligence crowd. That counts for nothing. They will vote "R" if the Republican Presidential candidate is Charles Manson. However, you make a very strong case for genuine independent voters and Republicans who can see how dangerous the "Republican Party" has become to vote "Anything but R".

P.S. Leona - The full quote, not the out of context crap.

David Walker,

You can call me all the names you want. It shows you are on the wrong side of the facts. You used the word "WEAK". The word is perfect for you.

Reid's comment (" its foolish to have a budget") is all over the internet. It's not too hard for you to google, is it? There are many sources I've seen it in. Look it up in la times ( you must love them as a source). I saw it there and many other places too.

Furthermore, do not accuse me of "baseless accusations." I never get my facts from my own imagination, like you, I get them from solid reading from many sources.

You sound like a very angry person. Get help.

Gee Leona, you act like being accused of making baseless, empty accusations is new. The only thing that's new is for you to hang around pretending to defend the baseless, empty accusations.

lolololololololololol

can someone PLEASE pass some tissues,...I am laughing so hard the TEARS are streaming down my face:

...I never get my facts from my own imagination, like you, I get them from solid reading from many sources...

I think it's safe to assume those sources can be traced directly to Faux or Drudge, right? Best laugh of the day, by far. I am so glad this troll showed up. I mean just when you thought JAS1 or nojo was enough BS to fill the feed lot,...we get this perfect gift.

Man oh man,...I LOVE Mondays!

Atlas shrugging

Obama is a caricature and liar unfit to be President. Even FOX Noise thinks so

But Atlas, FOX NOISE Lies!!!

John,

The fact that Harry Reid said what I mentioned, is truth. You can try to shut people up but the truth speaks louder that you liberals. Fortunately, we can all easily get our facts by the push of a button.

BTW, the name calling never works. Anyone who hasn't heard that Harry Reid said " It's foolish to have a budget" has been sleeping.

I don't see why you like to attack the "messenger". Go after Harry Reid , instead, for being the bumbling fool he is.

The name calling always says more about you than it does me. It doesn't phase me and it won't make the opposing views disappear just because you like to spread the propaganda here at Msnbc ( where the "M" stands for misleading).

OMG,...this is priceless,...

I do not detect a single ounce of irony from post #1.78 and yet there are no less than TWO name calling incidents,...

What does that say again?

PS. I think John Deere has the appropriate sized vehicle for the PROPAGANDA this troll spreads from Faux and Drudge,...

still laughing out loud. Tuesdays aren't bad either.

This isn't hard, Leona. All you have to do is produce a source for the quote IN CONTEXT. If you can't back it up it didn't happen.

It looks as if Mr. Cain has no respect for his mother either. To say the Koch brothers father had sex with Cain's mother is too much. But I guess this proves Cain has no respect for any woman, even his own mother.

You do realize thats a statement that here in Detroit people use all the time. I get called " My brother from another mother" about a few times a month. By African Americans in Detroit, I frist heard it about 10 years ago when I first moved here.

Sue --

I'd see your comment, and raise it by its obvious "slave" implications, except that I suspect Cain doesn't even realize what he said.

And that's even scarier to me.

I do, JOS1. "Twin Sons of Different Mothers" is also the title of a Dan Fogelberg album. I'm just surprised Cain is that forward about advertising his being in the back pockets of the most wealthy and elite of wealthy elites.

My brother from another mother" about a few times a month.

Is that by the same people who know better then to bite the hand that feeds them?

Back with more of your tall tales huh Harry?

Tell us the one again about coming home from Viet Nam will ya?

Harry the self proclaimed 'IT' guru - are you still saving your 'screen shots'? lmao

jollyoldsoul1

You do realize thats a statement that here in Detroit people use all the time. I get called " My brother from another mother" about a few times a month. By African Americans in Detroit, I frist heard it about 10 years ago when I first moved here

Except that the implication has nothing to do with white people and oppressors like the murderous, greedy, Koch brothers; jollyoldsoul1

Cancer In The Water: Koch Industries Killing Arkansans

http://bluearkansasblog.com/?p=7158

John B, excellent post! ALEC has written many boiler plate pieces of legislation from privatization to voter ID to union busting to women's reproductive rights--all embraced by nearly every GOP Governor with a GOP state legislature.

The sexual harassment charges against Herman Cain occured when he was employed by the National Restaurant Association, one of the largest special interest lobby groups. They lobby to keep out unions, they lobby against increases in the minimum wage. It is odd that most of the media has failed to mention it was a lobbying group or mentioned it in passing.

Anomaly, you need to get out more. "My brother from another mother" is a term many men, including myself, use to when we talk about a man who, while not my brother by blood, is my brother in every other sense of the word.

Slave implications? You are way out in left field with that comment. But it does say a lot about you. It is you who does not seem to realize what he said.

Stop being judge and jury of everything people say and maybe you will learn something.

Herman Cain is not afraid of his relationship with the Koch's. Time will tell if that hurts him or helps him, but at least he is honest about it. Unlike our "transparent" President and some of his relationships with donors and advisors.

We got rid of Sarah Palin just to get Herman Cain.

The Republicans always have a "freak"carving, no matter what.

John B -- Thanks for bringing up the Parent Trigger Act. I read about this a month or so ago and was quite alarmed. It sets up teachers and indeed schools to be subject to the whims of few who may have personal reasons to see a teacher or school fail. Very dangerous and subjective at the detriment of educators and indeed those wishing to be educated not controlled. Hopefully this will not stand up when challenged. This type of "control" is being considered in more than one district or town throughout our nation and I find it appalling.

JohnB......great post. Very informative. ALEC has been another of those under the radar organizations that the conservatives have operated under for far too long.

Thanks for shining the spotlight on it, maybe now, some will counterbalance it or at the very least pay attention to it's activities.

Ms Fiesty I was not in Vietnam, I was however in South east Asia at that time aboard a Flectcher Class FRAM destroyer when my tour was up I flew to my next duty station in Philly to a Naval weapons group in the area of Wayne PA. I use South east Asia to avoid any confusion. Even though most Veterans consider anyone in the area during the conflict a vet I specifically would tell people Im a VietNam era vet. I am not a self proclaimed IT person. I am and have been employed by the following companies since my discharge from military service in 1979. At&t (Hartford ct, Bath Iron works Me. Oracle (RedwoodShores Ca, ADP Ann Arbor Mi and well now, I believe you know where I work now. Im sure you have been to LinkedIn, I dont try to hide who I am or where I work. You still have not responded with my duty stations and rank along with any qualifications or commendations (I have quite a few).

You still have not responded with my duty stations and rank

Do a little digging and look what I found... lmao

jollyoldsoul1

Jody, I spent 10 years in a forward deployed Naval Weapons unit building and deploying smart weapons for front line deployment ( I have more than a few commendations and combat medals). I made CPO E7 and was selected for E8. As I stated yesterday. I knew 3 liberals in the my time in our military 2 were Dishonorably discharged ( one for pissing in the chiefs mess coffee pot) the 3rd one went AWOL and we never saw him again.

#7.12 - Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:34 AM CDT

10 years you say?

Interior Communications Electrician

United States Navy

Government Agency; 10,001+ employees; Military industry

November 1976 – November 1980 (4 years 1 month)

Maintenance and installation of all ship board comm gear and other ship board duties. Combat training, weapons training and cross duties to MOMAGDET42 mobile weapons station.

Sometimes it's best to quit while you're ahead Harry... lmao@U

I'm sure you won't mind if we don't take a certified liar seriously? *wink wink*

Hey Harry - look what else I found;

Now it's 16 years??? lmao!

jollyoldsoul1

Are you a Vet....... I have 16 years and 3 combat tours. I can count on one hand the amount of liberals I encountered while serving. Most of the men and women in my unit were I or R people. Of the 3 real liberals I knew 2 received Dishonorable Discharges the other spent 20 years in Leavenworth for raping a Spanish woman

#122.1 - Sun Oct 9, 2011 7:32 AM CDT

I hope you were a better electrician then the bull@!$%# artist you play here at First Read! lol

PS: No wonder you're on your 5th wife - once the other 4 sobered up and got a good look at ya they ran for the hills!

What you dont see is 6 years of active reserves of which I was activated 4 times. You can make up all you want too. It doesn't bother me one bit. I actually have 2 Honorable discharges as do many people who went into Active reserve duty! I dont need you to recant my life for me.....I lived it, not you! PS I crossrated to a Weapons Rank because IC was full above E6 in order to advance I had to change rates. Most anyone with naval experience can tell you that.

Ms Fiesty I was not in Vietnam,

Here's the biggest WHOPPER of them all...

Having graduated from Brunswick High School is 1976, can you explain to us how you came back from Nam in the early 70's?

You sir, are a disgrace to those who ACTUALLY fought and served in Viet Nam!

jollyoldsoul1

Does any of this remind Vets of my age of the nasty vitriolic protests in the early 70's? I came home from two deployments and was received with nasty chants and blood and urine filled condoms and balloons. I still remember a young Marine meeting his son for the first time covered in blood tossed from some young lady in the demonstration. I read through the demands list, what do you think will happen if all debt is forgiven?

#1143 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 8:19 AM CDT

Tell me again Harry, who it is that's making stuff up? lmao

Do you want to give up now or shall I continue?

I'm only getting warmed up... & so is my butter drenched *popcorn*

Bev, you dummy,

If I had a brother from another mother, that would mean that we have DIFFERENT mothers. So no, a Koch Bro's father did not have sex with Cain's mother. A literal interpretation would mean that they have the same father and different mothers. However everybody knows it wasn't literal.

You are not smart.

Casey,...can you REPEAT that with a straight face?

Seriously?

Here's a tip,...it takes a single sperm AND an egg,...okay, now do the math.

JoAnne in Pa: "We Want Vermin! We want Vermin!! We want VERMIN!!!"

I know some drug counselors, if you need a name or two.......I guess the kool aid has finally started to kill those brain cells.

Leona,

You are as devoid of a sense of humor as the current republican candidates are of integrity. Pretty lousy life you must lead.

Doom...Check. Gloom...Check.

Bryan,

There are people who like my sense of humor. lol.....I guess you are not one of them.

Usually it's the people who disagree with my politics who think I am NOT funny.

The republicans are "devoid of integrity" , in your opinion?? I disagree.

Harry Reid ( D) is the Senate Leader who thinks it's "foolish to have a budget." Where's the "integrity" in that??

Bryan, I am pretty sure they can't accurately be described as 'people' - It's always a miss when you have to explain your jokes.

PS. Republicans are devoid,....we can just leave it there.

Republicans are to budgets what supplemental funding is to war,...

The fascinating thing for me is that so many people are just SURE they're going to be part of the 1% with the Kochs some day, and the best way to accomplish that is to cut the leg out from under average Americans.

Kinda reminds you of Sylvester the cat, cutting a hole in the floor while standing right in the middle, doesn't it?

Now that's funny. Can't help wondering if the GOPers are finally realizing that by associating with the teapublicans, they embrace the crazy coming from it. Although, Rick Scott is one of the crazy, I still can't believe Floridians elected a guy who committed medical fraud in the milllions and believed they would get someone other than a crook for Governor.

Jody, many of us here could not believe Rick Scott became our governor. He won by less than 25,000 votes or to put it a different way, those +25k who stayed home that day gave him the election.

There is a lesson there for those who can vote but sometimes don't, make sure you vote in EVERY election. When people hear someone is ahead in the polls or is likely to win, they don't sometimes make the extra effort to have their voices heard.

I've asked myself why so many people apparently vote agains their own self-interest. I think it comes down to (in order of importance) abortion (God wants me to screw myself) and guns (I may not have a damn thing to protect, but I'll kill to protect it. At least, I can shoot something for dinner!)

Ames: t's unbelievable that the President under whose authority Osama bin laden was finally killed, and who brought the American auto industry back from the brink of bankruptcy, should have to struggle to be re-elected. Where are people's heads?

Might be time to get a new set of talking points Ames. These are getting pretty thread bare.

Ames: Where are people's heads?

Thinking about how much worse off they are since Obama assumed the position.

Actually, my head is swimming from the silliness of the GOP candidates over the weekend. And staying up way too late to watch some great football games.

That is the issue Amy, If you walk around my neighborhood "Detroit" you would think Mr Obama would have no problems getting re-elected. Get in your car and drive 20 mins west and you know why he is having to fight to be re-elected. Michigan as a state is Republican with a Republican Gov and a Majority republican state government.

Many people split their votes. Maine has a Teapublican governor with a Republican majority state legislature and will likely support Barack Obama in 2012. The key to a state going blue is the proportion of intelligent, well informed voters to the overall population. No doubt Michigan would go Democratic if there were a higher proportion of bright people there. Do you think it's the industrial pollution that is lowering your collective I.Qs?

@ Amy do you think it displays great intelligence to say you would walk over hot coals to vote for President Obama? I am an Independent but I think anyone who votes straight party line without thought displays a lack of reasoning. I saw a German made car in the parking lot with a bumper sticker that red "This is a Blue Car" sponsored by you guessed it the Democrats. Now how do you reconcile that with their support of the American auto worker and the unions?

I am an Independent

And the bullsh!t meter goes off the charts... lmao!

Sweetie - you're a lot of things however, independent isn't amongst them! ;o)

Amy do you think it displays great intelligence to say you would walk over hot coals to vote for President Obama?

Time to find some new material - you're stuck in a rut with your wheels spinning!

Amy do you think it displays great intelligence to say you would walk over hot coals to vote for President Obama?

Yes, I would walk over hot coals to re-elect President Obama. It's an expression of how enthusiastic I am about my candidate. Tell me, would you kick off your flip flops for Romney?

Amy, I hear you. Makes you wonder how anyone would want to return to the same policies that put us in this mess. I don't put much stock in these analyses a year out from an election. It is typical of voters to be looking at the other side when there is an incumbent and especially with the economy as it is. Right now, the media focus is primarily on the GOP and what they are saying. Voters are looking at the alternative. Who that alternative is will make a big difference. If memory serves me correctly, it looked competitive for John McCain until about October 2008. That said, if voters like the 99ers choose a republican in Nov 2012, they have no one to blame when things only get worse for them.

Ah Feisty old gal. just calling it as I see it. Amy's words speak for themselves. It is sweet however you feel the need to come to her defense each time. However maybe you should take your own advice on getting new material.

Ames: Yes, I would walk over hot coals to re-elect President Obama. It's an expression of how enthusiastic I am about my candidate. Tell me, would you kick off your flip flops for Romney?

You're the essence of a low information voter. One that votes for someone regardless of the results of their actions or their view of the future. You're a hero worshiper, one that does not hold the candidate accountable for their actions, or analyze the results of their body of work. Yet you run around here calling anyone that does hold Obama accountable and would not be for Obama because of that accountability as "unintelligent" and "uniformed".

You are nothing but a caricature of what you attempt to be critical of.

Reading your posts used to be amusing. Now it's crossed over to just being pitiful.

Ah Feisty old gal. just calling it as I see it.

See it?

Seriously?

You can't see past the end of your nose...

If you could find a clue with both hands, a flashlight & map, you would know Amy doesn't need anyone to defend her...

Keep up the good work

Thanks... I intend to! ;o)

@ Feisty so how do you respond to the example of a bumper sticker on a German made car supporting Democrats? You don't see how ironic that is? I think you need to may need to get a clue and take off your rose colored glasses.

JoAnnaSmith1

You don't do personal attacks very well. Stick to making stuff up.

Well I am encouraged by the analyses. The president has been bashed 24/7/365 by a media empire dedicated to that, he has been openly and proudly sabotaged by republican leadership since the very beginning of his term. Yet with a year out the race will be very competitive, and he is slightly leading all the republican candidates, certainly does not indicate he will lose, it certainly does not indicate the big landslide loss for Obama some posters here continually predict. The good news is his numbers are ticking up now, I believe we can thank Congress for that, and if they stick to their current strategy for the next year, they will make it even tougher for the republican candidate.

@KSW - are you saying that democrats can only buy American made cars, and republicans/TP can only buy foreign made cars. Your claim is astounding. Ideologically, democrats stand behind the option of buy any damn car you want. Now go find a talking point that is relevant.

It sure appears Amy can stand on her own two feet, hot coals notwithstanding. That was a good one, Ames!

@ RedDev No my point is you shouldn't being driving foreign cars if you profess to support unions and the American auto manufacturer. The obvious hypocrisy is that you then turn around complain about big business selling jobs to overseas. I would love to see you take your comment that you can buy any car you want to a UAW meeting..... LOL My father worked for GM for over 40 years, you would not be caught driving a foreign manufactured car on to the GM plant lot.

Well, you see KSW, it goes like this. I am a liberal, drive a foreign branded car, and unlike the union-busting GOP/TP, I support unions. I see no irony in that.

What is ironic is that conservative white collar auto workers can't design and build a car that competes with a foreign auto brand without blaming that inadequecy on unions. The other irony is that conservatives love to blame unions for sending jobs overseas - yet in every case it is white collar workers that make the ultimate decision to send jobs overseas, not the unions. And the biggest irony of all is how anyone who favors unions could support the GOP/TP - they are the party that wants to abolish unions. LOL back at ya and by the way, my foreign car was assembled in the US.

Sorry Red but I am not buying your response. There is a big difference between buying and driving a foreign car assembled in the US and one that is just sold in the US. I still would love to see someone drive that car to a UAW meeting or to a GM auto plant. I don't support sending any American jobs overseas no matter what the reason (unions pricing too high or operating expense decisions by executives). In my mind there is no difference, just different people making the decision. Both contribute to American job losses.

ksw - If you are a spokesman for the UAW and you are implying that by driving my foreign branded car near a UAW worker will incite a violent response, then I need to re-think my support for the UAW. However, since I do not think you are a representative, I will continue to support the UAW and all other unions right to organize by voting against GOP/TP candidates that support abolishing government worker unions. Hence, and again I will repeat, no irony. I support unions by voting against law makers that want to abolish government employee unions.

@ Red I am speaking from my father's personal experience working for GM for over 40 years. That is my problem with either die hard Democrats or Republicans who make their political decisions strictly on partly lines.

JoAnnaSmith1

You don't do personal attacks very well. Stick to making stuff up.

DANG I wish it were possible to vote more than once for the same comment.

John B,...

I know, right?

I never heard him say he wants to destroy America, he did a hell of a lot better job of defending it than republicans did. He got the guy they started a war over, he got a couple of our arch enemies republicans failed to. Now why would he do such a good job of protecting what you claim he wants to destroy?

Sorry for your losses Nashville. However, did you know that the Alabama game had the 2nd highest ratings ever for a college football game? So, now, more than us folks in the SEC know how very good the Tide really is. As a Jag fan, I shall not comment on your loss. At least WE didn't lose this weekend (we had a bye, that's the only way we can win this year)

phinephnancy:

I didn't know that about the ratings for the game . . . that's pretty cool . . . it definitely lived up to the hype . . .especially if you lie defense! :oP

Nash---I'll jump on the bitter train with you after my Steelers lost last night with 8 seconds left. Sigh. So today I am tired and bummed out.

I was watching that game last night Steeler Fan . . . my heart broke for you! :o(

Feel for you Steeler Fan. If makes you feel any better, that game was better than a lot of super bowl games I have seen. The 2 best NFL teams were on the field last night. Too bad one had to lose.

Nashville Fan,

Should have watched the Oklahoma State vs. Kansas state game 52 to 45 in a barn burner. Everyone talks about the SEC but Big 12 still has the most exciting teams where anyone can beat anyone any given Saturday.

We got rid of boring grind it out dullards like Nebraska and Colorado last year. Trying to bring in flashy TCU and the West Virginia Hokies for next year.

phinephancy,...you can hope you're playing the Chiefs this year,...you could certainly win THAT way,...man Miami ROLLED us big time. It was FUGLY!

Hey, Dawg,

I heard the outcome caused a frickin' EARTHQUAKE,...Just wait until the NBA resolves their drama and

THE THUNDER ROLLS!

PS. Bummed about Mizzou leaving the Big 12; but That will make it easier to return fully to my OU roots! The border rivalry here w/ KU is only just beginning to drift. and in other news, the NCAA Basketball tournament is scheduled to be held at Sprint Center until 2014; but Mizzou leaving means that contract may be nullified,...Big 12 likes to spend that money in a state with a Team,...can you blame them? What a cluster,...at least we've got normalcy in politics,...Wait, WHAT? LMAO ;)

Clara - Actually, Mizzou will be missed. I'm a Texas Tech Alum so indifferent about Texas A&M going. TCU horned frogs out of Ft. Worth will be a good fit to what is looking like a regional conference only odd ball will be Virginia Tech.

Hoping for a miracle if Texas Tech can beat Okie state this week. Hard to guage the Red Raiders, they beat Oklahoma and then get creamed by UT.

Saturday night we felt the earth quake all the way down in North Texas.

I'll be happy for the season to start, Mavs raise their banner and then try to capture lighting in a bottle. It will be hard especially with OKC Thunder being the new faces.

Lynn---You're right. When voters are given a chance to compare President Obama to to someone like Romney head to head the polls will change. All Romney's flipping and flopping until he's picked will be used against him effectively in the general election.

On yesterdays MTP it was stated the Mr Obama is the Flip to Mr Romney's Flop! I thought that was quite a funny statement. I distinctly remember there being a left lean on that show, I cant imagine the left on here are too happy with Mr. Gregory's interviewing as of late.

JoAnne----we are NOT mid-westerners, for sure. I would probably run from a cow! And here in Pittsburgh we have worked hard to remake our economy after losing the steel industry.

Better turn your tv on this afternoon. A 4th woman in coming out, in person, for a press conference to talk about Hermie and sexual harassment of her. Stay tuned.

Alan, it's not the "libbies" who are trying to destroy Cain. We'd love to run against him!

A 4th woman in coming out, in person, for a press conference to talk about Hermie and sexual harassment of her

HAHAHA!

You folks are such losers I can only laugh at you

How about that Alan?

We're gonna get the last laugh little buddy!

Speaking of sexual harrassment, when is FR going to do a story on athe multiple rapes and sexual assaults going on in the Fleabagger camps? Didn't see any of those in the Tea Party rallies, did you? In fact, when is anyone on here AT ALL going to talk about the rising criminality and chaos taking place with the OccuCommies?

Free food, free shelter and a lawless atmosphere attracts the dregs of society? What? Wow. And to think this is what Fleabagger supporter Hussein Obama wants the whole country to be...

The whole Fleabagger movement is turning into a horrid joke (I always knew it was) and any Republican candiate worth his salt needs to hang this around the neck of Hussein Obama like an albatross. He deserves it for associating himself with such filth.

Hmm, Damage, do you have brain damage? You just don't get it. And to be perfectly honest, you aren't worth it.

We already know the woman who came to the press today is brave, sure hope she's strong as well. Conservatives have demanding someone name names ever since the story first hit. Let's be real, there's only one reason they want names -- so they can make an example of anyone who dares tell a negative truth about the Right. The knives will be out for this woman, I hope she's ready for the Conservative attacks.

I've seen the same trend in our local races. More then a few of the 15 candidates running for mayor here seem to be in it for the publicity, either to promote their business or distribute their resume. If they actually won the election, they'd faint.

Yes, this seems to be a republican theme, Brewer from AZ. being another example. However, you have to give Cain the top award for this in his brilliant Koch-Cain Con-Job. This is where you stage a fake presidential campaign, reap in tons of money from rich conservatives, let out a leak on a sex scandal to destroy your presidential bid, all designed to make your book tour a success. Brilliant, I tell ya, Brilliant. I love a good conspiracy theory!!

They can't bother to be President and garner real accomplishments, when they can rack up the $'s now,...it's how they roll.

Looking at you, Sister Sarah! KaChing!

Very insightful observations Monetfan. I had forgotten about Connally.

If they nominate Romney, they better watch out for shooting his foot - he wears flip flops.

The thing is, you don't have to be camping out to be a part of the Occupy movement. It is in the hearts of the 99%. Kind of like the old "silent majority". We will remember what these politicians say. How they voted. The GOP is on the wrong side of this one.

Here in Detroit, the Occupy Detroit people you see on TV are mostly SEIU and UAW people. Its getting cold here and I dont think they will be hanging out too long. We may get some snow later this week, Im guessing snow will make a lot of them go home.

Maybe Michael Moore will show up a few more times to hammer home the fact that the Fleabaggers are really anti-capitalist losers. It's funny that his fat azz shows up at all , what with him being one of the 1% and all.

And maybe the Dems will be as stupid as they were in 2004 and put him up in the VIP box at their convention. That was great since it helped Bush beat Kerry.

So, is anybody going to answer the questions: Why has FR and it's population of Obama groupies not addressed the increasing rampant criminality at the OccuTwit camps? Do you still think it was a good idea for Hussein to associate himself with these people?

Damage123-Mr. Moore grew up in Flint Michigan when things were going well and his father could support his family. I saw him on TV and he admits he is part of the one percent and he also counts himself very lucky to be in that club. He told of Harry Chapin who did 300 concerts a year, and half were for charity. Moore asked him why, and Chapin told him-"One for me, one for them". Mr. Moore said the wealthy have an obligation to make sure things are more fair. He is not a communist before any of you call him that. He does remember when it was more equitable in this country, when one income could support a family. The criminality you speak of is just how things are. There will always be someone that goes against the grain thinking violence makes a better point which it does not. How do any of you know these people are not in opposition to the Occupy movement and go there just to make trouble? How do you know that it is not the police sending indigent people there? How do you know what is in the heart of someone else? You assume much without asking. The only thing I wish the President would do is to say to the law enforcement officers across the country is to be civil, not to over react, that is not "associating" himself with the movement. He would be doing what his oath promised," To preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America so help me God".

Your spot on MkeMike. Kasich in Ohio. Scott in Florida. Walker in Wisconsin. Snyder in Michigan. These radical governors are hated and are doing more to swing their states back to Obama than anything the Obama campaign could do.

We have 9.1% unemployment. The question the GOPers should be asking is: If American's were blaming Obama, why are talking about the 2012 race being a toss up? Shouldn't polls show Obama being blown out now?

The logical part of me says that this GOP field is a scam being perpetrated by those that would like to broker the GOP convention and put in their own candidate. (Huckabee, Christie, Rubio, etc.)

Why else would the Koch's be financing Herman Cain or Rick Perry, except as a foil to Romney? A two person race with the other midgets thrown in would guarantee that no one has enough delegates at the GOP convention, allowing them to pick and choose their own candidate, without all the early mudslinging.

I think there is enough evidence for this out there. Just that no one is saying it now because it renders the whole primary/caucus process worthless, and their ability to get free air time to hammer Obama would be eliminated. It would be just like those RINOs to see the announced candidates rise and fall, and they disenfranchise the primary/caucus voters at the convention. Remember, after the first ballot, it's wide open.

I wonder how the TeaPublicans, Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, and Romney supporters will react when the GOP nomination is snatched away and they realize that they've all been scammed? Not very nicely I'll bet. I suspect a lot of them will stay home and watch Obama's landslide on TV unless they think that having their candidate get a Cabinet post is worth all of their wasted efforts and money. Either way, it won't matter. There aren't enough wealthy GOP types to carry this election. They need the WallMart shoppers.......and you can't fool all of the people all of the time....

Hell, you lose money betting on instant replays!

The Florida tea party is pretty peeved at the GOP right now. I wouldn't be counting on their support just now.

Even at 9% unemployment, 91% of people are working. Obama saved us from a Bush depression, and the economy continues to rebound, despite the best efforts of Republicans who want to see us all fail.

The GOP wants to put us into a race to the bottom, and make us like China, where average people work for .33/day with no benefits. If that's their idea of a job, they might as well fold up shop and close down. Not to mention the horrible pollution that China lives in.

The banks and bankers caused this last economic downturn with overspeculation in the housing markets and foreign loans. DO NOT put them in charge again. The GOP is their mouthpiece and needs to be ridden out of Washington. Then, we can focus on those Democrats that don't get the message, either.

Government is not the problem. Greed is the problem. Using government to reward businesses with tax breaks and loopholes and corporate welfare is the problem. That's the GOP plan.

I wouldn't vote Obama for dog catcher. He is a domestic enemy of the USA under our Constitution (Domestic enemies pursue legislation, programs against the powers of the Constitution. They destroy and weaken the Rights of the people guaranteed by Constitution; plus create laws, amendments, etc that goes against the restraint on the 3 branches of our government by the Constitution. They are also those who support or allow this to go on).

Then for his part since 2009 in Fast and Furious; Obama, Holder, and the rest are traitors and murderers under our US laws. Providing foreigners (with malicious intent towards the USA) with weapons, which were then used on US soil to murder and injure Americans equals traitorous behavior and also qualifies as murder. We only know of the latest victims of this behavior; not how many times it has happened since 2009.

Then how can he be destroying the nation as Conservatives here maintain every day?

That's OK, we're used to Conservatives circulating multiple, conflicting narratives at the same time, hoping to appeal to multiple audiences. Conservatism isn't about consistency of thought or principle, it's a marketing effort consisting of a series of independent messages intended to sell policies beneficial to the wealthy elites.