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Subscribe to RSSGOP presidential hopeful Rick Perry tells TODAY's Ann Curry that his major stumble in Wednesday night's Republican debate.
Updated: Rick Perry said Thursday that a major mistake during a Republican candidates debate — when he was unable to remember which of three government agencies he would abolish — won't be the end of his presidential bid.
"Oh, shoot, no," Perry told The Associated Press, a day after he stood on stage unable to remember the third federal department he would cut.
He was asked if his campaign, struggling to regain traction, could survive. "This ain't a day for quitting nothing," he said.
'Everybody makes mistakes'
Perry says others have made similar mistakes and that the screw-up will humanize him.
"The president of the United States said there were 57 states one time. Everybody makes mistakes," he said.
While the debate featured the most scrutiny to date of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's economic plans, and was highlighted by Herman Cain's first debate appearance since the emergence of sexual harassment allegations against him, the gaffe threatened to crystallize Republicans' concerns about his candidacy.
Turning to Texas Rep. Ron Paul to boast, Perry said: "I'll tell you: It's three agencies of government, when I get there, that are gone: Commerce, education and, the, uh, what's the third one there? ... Commerce, education and the uh, the uh...," before being interrupted by a question. "The third agency of government I would do away with -- the education, uh the, uh, commerce, and let's see -- I can't... the third one, I can't. I'm sorry ... oops."
As he stumbled, Perry's rivals suggested the Environmental Protection Agency.
He followed up in a subsequent answer: "By the way, that was the Department of Energy I was reaching for a while ago.”
It was a jarring moment for Perry, who has been plagued with poor debate performances.
Shaky outings
His poll numbers declined after the August launch of his campaign in part due to these shaky outings and critics have noted that his stamina in the two-hour-long debates seems to wane. Wednesday night's forum had offered an opportunity for him to resuscitate his campaign.
The moment could underscore concerns about Perry and whether he could hold his own onstage as a serious presidential candidate.
Perry emerged in the spin room following the debate to engage in damage control. He said he was "glad I had my boots on 'cause I sure stepped in it tonight ... Bottom line is, I may have forgotten energy, but I haven't forgotten my conservative principles."
To a large degree, Perry's gaffe overshadowed the defiant moment earlier in the debate when Cain defended himself from the harassment allegations that besieged his campaign.
Cain had sought to put an end to the issue with a press conference on Tuesday, but the possibility of one of his accusers, Karen Kraushaar, soon publicly detailing her allegations against Cain -- along with the possibility that one of his GOP competitors might use the allegations to tarnish Cain's campaign -- all but guarantee the issue remains a current one on the campaign trail.
Accuser: Cain has 'complete amnesia'
"The American people deserve better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion based on unfounded accusations," Cain said to wild cheers in the early moments of the debate. "This country's looking for leadership, and this is why a lot of people, despite what has happened over the last nine days ... the voters have voted with their dollars, and they are saying they don't care about character assasination -- they care about leadership and getting this economy going and all the other problems that we face."
Mark Blinch / Reuters
Republican presidential candidates former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney (L) listens while businessman Herman Cain speaks at the CNBC Republican presidential debate in Rochester, Michigan, November 9, 2011. REUTERS/Mark Blinch (UNITED STATES - Tags: POLITICS ELECTIONS)
But amid talk of his treatment of women, Cain drew some gasps -- and applause -- later during a discussion of health care, when he referred to former Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as "Princess Nancy."
He seemed, too, to get a pass from Romney, with whom Cain is jockeying for the top spot in primary polls.
"Herman Cain is the person to respond to these questions -- he just did to the people in this room and accross the country," Romney said when asked if he was satisfied by Cain's response.
The candidates gathered in at Oakland University in suburban Detroit, an area hard-hit by the poorly performing economy, to primarily talk jobs and economic growth in their first debate in three weeks.
Cain and Romney -- a native of Michigan -- entered the debate amid a battle for the top slot in primary polling; this week's NBC News/Wall Street Journal had Romney, at 28 percent, as the top choice of primary voters, with Cain, at 27 percent, trailing by just a point. Perry stood at 10 percent.
Despite the fact that they're tied atop the polls, Romney is regarded by most GOP insiders as the odds-on favorite (at this point in the race) to win the nomination. He received the bulk of the questions, about almost every part of his platform: from taxes, to the auto bailouts, to the European debt crisis, to housing, to health care and beyond.
'Wrong way to go'
He faced pressure in particular about his constancy regarding the 2008-09 bailouts for General Motors and Chrysler, two major employers in Michigan's sagging economy.
"My view with regards to the bailout was that, whether it was by President Bush or President Obama, it was the wrong way to go," he said. "I said from the very beginning that they should have gone through a managed bankruptcy process -- a private bankruptcy process. We have capital markets and bankruptcy; it works in the U.S."
Michigan is relatively friendly territory for Romney; he grew up in the state, and his father served as governor in the 1960s, following his time as an auto executive.
Herman Cain is asked why Americans should elect someone with "character issues" during CNBC's Republican Presidential Debate.
But it's the issue of autos, the industry that dominates the state, that could offer Romney the most difficulty. Democrats haven't let the state's voters forget an op-ed penned by Romney at the height of Chrysler and General Motors' financial difficulties in 2008, urging the government to let Detroit "go bankrupt."
Democrats have used that op-ed to portray Romney as callous toward the state’s economic woes. But Republicans are hopeful they could win Michigan in 2012 with a candidate like Romney atop the ticket. Romney's campaign argues that it was his approach -- a bankruptcy followed by subsequent government support -- that the Obama administration was eventually forced to use.
Romney sought to cast himself as a consistent native son, saying none of his competitors cared about Michigan and the auto industry the way he did.
BODY ODD: What causes memory lapses?
"I think people understand that I'm a man of steadiness and constancy. I don't think you're going to find somebody who has more of those attributes than I do," he said.
Romney and Cain each were critical early, too, of the debt-related crises plaguing Greece, Italy and the rest of the European economy. Cain urged the U.S. to focus on its economy alone, while Romney pledged to oppose any bailout for Italy or banks holding that country's debt.
They were joined by the other candidates onstage -- former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman -- in looking toward improved political fortunes with a good debate showing.
Primary voting begins in less than eight weeks, at Iowa's Jan. 3 caucuses.
msnbc.com's Michael O'Brien, The Associated Press and NBC's Garrett Haake and Domenico Montanaro contributed to this report.
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My Popcorn is poppin'...My tv is set...a night of cannibalizing...on that you can bet.
I wonder how much the DNC is paying the 4 ladies that have accused Cain of sexual harassment. It sure is convenient that Cain starts climbing in the polls and all of a sudden these allegations come out. I think it's a bit more than coincedence. Why now? Why not 3 months ago? Why not 3 years ago?
This smells of rotten fish. I know Perry started it all, but the democrats, without surprise, have taken it to new heights.
I see the motto is "Your Money, Your Vote" What does that mean? I have to give them money or something? WTF??
Wow Brian......deep thinking there.
Cain is toast
Rick Perry leaked it to the press to try to stop his free fall in the polls.
We have one women, two women, three women, four women who have accused Hermain Pepperoni Cain of harassment. Cain has denied it but with FOUR women saying it...
You know what that makes Pizza boy A LIAR! Cain should really go back to delivering Pizzas as that's all his qualified to do anyway.
BRIAN: You have a vivid imagination. If that were indeed the case, then how come Cain initially pointed the finger at Rick Perry???
Besides, tactics as sleazy as that belong to one party and one party only, yours. It's no a coincidence that the crimes of Watergate were committed by a Republican.
Why not 3 years ago? Because 3 years ago Herman Cain was a nobody and not in the news at all.
Why not 3 months ago? Because 3 months ago only a true political junkie would know he was pretending to run for president.
3 weeks ago he started to climb in the polls, and these women heard his name on the news for the first time in probably years. I guess that would lead them to a "WTF" moment when they remembered who he was and what he did.
People with Herman's past shouldn't go around seeking attention. The ultimate rub is that this little scandal will probably sink his career as a motivational speaker now as well.
I predict they all tell you lies for money, except RON PAUL
There's only one thing worse than a Democrat and that's a Republican.
Ron Paul? If you look at opernsecrets.org, Paul has been a master of pork and has taken $5M from Lobbyists. I don't care if it's $1 or $1B, it's wrong. You can't suddenly say, "I don't take money from special interest, (any longer), and be credible. Cain is a bag man for the Koch Bros, and Perry is a dazed and confused idiot. Take your pick--they suck.
Another one of your little conspiracy theories, Brianb?
You don't know anymore of the facts about this case, one way or the other, than any of the rest of us do. All we know for certain is that Cain has blamed just about everybody for this "revelation", but somehow, YOU seem to know exactly where it all came from.
Come back when/if you ever have some facts to back up your theories.
Until then, you have absolutely nothing.
They don't even ask Ron any questions. RIGGED ELECTIONS should be treason!!!
We can always depend on liberals to come up with whatever solution fits their agenda. This is what makes liberals so loveable. The only hard part to swallow is their hatred for anyone that has a contrary or opposing viewpoint. I notice the collapse clowns are running around. Please collapse all I have to say... it only shows how much liberals are intolerant of any opposing ideas.
Ozzie Boy... Very fitting name for someone that thinks as slow as you.... You only assume I'm a republican. Truth is, you have no idea what is on my voter's registration card. This is another liberal branding... thinking you know everything... but are ususally wrong.
RIGGED... the updated story here just read Cain gets loud aplause but we here watching had just noticed it was audio editing.. We just looked at the crowd overview shot in review and they were not doing anything but sitting in silence.
I personally think the claims are irrelevant. You should be voting Ron Paul over any nutcase. Herman Cain isn't fit for service regardless of whether the accusations make sense or not. Same goes for Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachmann, and Rick Perry.
Brianb-999431 Said:
Ozzie Boy... Very fitting name for someone that thinks as slow as you.... You only assume I'm a republican. Truth is, you have no idea what is on my voter's registration card.
Yet here you are, doing the exact same thing, labeling everyone who disagrees with you a "liberal". I realize people like you are merely intellectually challenged dimwits, posting rhetoric on forums to overcome your feelings of social impotence, but couldn't you at least wait until your next post to prove what a hypocritical moron you are? Do you really have to show how witless you are in the very same statement? Its kind of baffling (and pathetic), but very entertaining! ROFL.
Who are the four?
What are their names?
Eyes wide open - Another of my conspiracy theories? How many have I come up with that you are aware of? Name them all... I mean if you make a statement like that you should have some backup of how many I've introduced to these boards.
Grandstanding sucks when you can't back up your words, eh?
I'll come to these boards whenever I please. I don't need your permission... which is... another liberal falsehood. You don't own, or control anything I have to say.
Maybe you don't like the fact that the DNC could stoop to something as character damaging as paying off women to make false claims. After all, they don't have to prove anything... all they have to do is get on national media and make the claims, collect their money and move on. Damaging a person't character isn't beneath the DNC. How often do they do it in national elections? Only everytime one comes up. Liberals give this sort of thing a pass though. As long as it fit their agenda of relecting a crooked president.
I would vote for Cain or anyone else before I would vote for Obama , I wouldnt vote for him for dog catcher in dog patch. If anyone would vote for him again they are really dumber than dirt , I will bet the 14 million unemployed wont do it again , but wait with some people you just cant fix stupid.
Yes, yes, Ron Paul is the ONLY one with integrity and the ONLY one with all the answers. Please have a seat and the doctor will be with you in a moment.
Herman Cain has no business being in politics. He can barely handle the primaries, can you imagine him running our military, foreign policy, and economy?
He won't win.
From some backwards mountian range in Pennsylvania/West Virginia:
Yet here you are, labeling everyone who disagrees with you a "liberal". I realize people like you are merely intellectually challenged dimwits, posting rhetoric on here to overcome your feelings of social impotence, but couldn't you at least wait until the next post to prove what a hypocritical moron you are? Do you really have to show how witless you are in the very same statement? ROFL.
Ahhh a slam. And what exactly is YOUR comment? Pretty much the same thing. So for all your bluster, you haven't proven a damn thing. I guess taking the high road is beyond your capabilities. Is it that important to you to make an ass out of yourself appalachian? You stuck your foot in it the moment the idea came into your mind to try to prove you are better than me. This is another liberal trait... You would make Alynski very proud.
Cain is a joke - Unfortunately, the rest of the Republican candidates do not appear to be much better. Right now, I would have to say the best of the bunch is Romney. I certainly wish the Republicans would put forward a better candidate, because I am afraid of what this country would look like after another 4 years of Obama at the helm. Obama already acts like a dictator, not a president, in choosing which laws his administration will enforce and which ones they will ignore. He issues executive orders telling his administration to ignore duly passed federal statutes in favor of Obama's own view on how things should be. Obama decided that the No Child left Behind Law was flawed, which by the way I agree it is, so he unilaterally decides to tell his administration to ignore the law and issue waivers to states so they do not have to comply. This is not how we address flawed laws in this country. In this country we amend the law to fix the problem through the constitutionally established legislative process, we do not allow the president to just do away with the law by executive order. Obama has told his administration to ignore immigration laws and to not deport illegals that have not committed other crimes. Obama has even gone so far as to tell his administration to issue those illegals who have not committed other crimes work permits, so they can take American jobs without worrying about consequences. This, of course, far oversteps his authority and violates federal law. There are many other examples of Obama telling his administration to ignore federal law, but I think everyone gets the point from these examples. Obama is not acting like a president, he is acting like a dictator. If you think Obama is bad now with these practices, wait and see what happens of he gets a second term. Without a reelection to worry about, Obama's dictatorial ways will get far worse. It will become a case of the law being set by fiat via executive order instead of the law being set by the legislative branch in accordance with the constitution. Obama has shown a frightening willingness to ignore the constitution and federal law in favor of his own personal views and agenda. This is not what the president of the US should be. If a republican president had behaved this way the democrats would be calling for his impeachment. If Obama is allowed a second term it will be a complete disaster for this country. I am not very happy with the choices the republican party has put forth so far as candidates to replace Obama, but there is no way his country can afford four more years of Obama, particularly an Obama who does not need to worry about reelection.
The same crowd that cheered death and booed a soldier now applauds an accused sexual predator. Why, oh why, am I not shocked one bit?
brian
so the dnc new back in 1999 that cain was going to run for president in 2012. so they paid some women to file a suit against cain back then so they can leek it now right. damn the dnc is smart. that was almost as smart as then time they put obamas birth announcement in the 1960 hawaii newspaper right.
Brianb-999431 said:
And what exactly is YOUR comment?
I thought that would be obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence; that you are a douche. I would have made it even more clear had I known just how intellectually challenged you are.
So for all your bluster, you haven't proven a damn thing.
I didn't have to. You have demonstrated all on your own what a hypocritical dimwit that you are. Kudos.
You stuck your foot in it the moment the idea came into your mind to try to prove you are better than me
That thought never entered my mind. Interesting how it is on yours though. Freudian slip no doubt. Obviously you have an inferiority complex, and with good reason.
BTW, I am not, not have I ever been a liberal, although I thank you for proving yet again what a hypocrite you are. You really can't seem to get the inconsistencies and contradictory thinking out of your head, can you. Both pathetic and amusing at the same time. ROFL.
Romney is positively the only GOP candidate that can lose to Obama. Perfect.
Don't ask me how just wait and see. The "Bildeberger" think tank have thought this through quite well.
Benanke and the others are feeling quite good about themselves.
Seriously Brianb, you should look up the term 'lex parsimoniae', AKA Occam's Razor.
Considering you don't have any information that the rest of the public doesn't have, the best explanation is that you need the Cain accusations to be some complex conspiracy, and those of us who don't share your need and/or are interested in the actual truth aren't buying your story.
You're wasting your energy. You aren't going to convince anyone who doesn't already share your obvious biases of anything. That you keep trying is amusing...and telling.
The Brian types are a crack up - they say you can't convict Cain on hear say (sorry Brian, there is far more than hear say) then turn around and claim the Democrats are behind the Cain attacks - with NOTHING, not a shred of evidence, just conspiracy theories.
2012 is going to be a long year with all the double talking lefties and righties - ugh, watching Bride-zillas is better than lead up years.
flnobody - have you ever heard of anyone filing a lawsuit only to have it settled out of court for a lot of money? That sort of thing never happens in America. There are no frivilous lawsuits floating in our judicial system. I heard this woman won 10K out of court. Juanita Broderick won 800K in her suit against Bill Clinton. That was also settled out of court. This sort of incident happens all the time by predators. If you've ever taken a course on sexual harassment, you would know that in the corporate world all you have to do is make an innocent statement and a sexual harassment lawsuit can develop out of thin air.
We don't even know the names of these 4 women. All we know is they are being represented by a democratic attorney assigned by someone high up in the DNC. If you feel this is above board and you think the DNC is not capable of making these arrangements you are just blinded by your political ideology.
@ appalchian LOL, awesome post. I literally laughed out loud.
@ brianb Thanks for providing the clown show for appy to riff on. ROFL.
If you have nothing to hide you won't try to hide anything. Unrestrict the accusers and let her tell her side of the story if she is lying you can sue her for slander and defamation of character. It's that simple.
Brianb...there you go again. My friend, when you see ghosts where none exist, the ghosts are you.
So far we have 4 women, perhaps five if reports this morning are accurate.
(1)Sharon Bialek
(2)Karen Kraushaar
I think there will be more
Gloria Allred is not affiliated in any way with the DNC. She is a feminist activist and has defended women accusing both Republicans and Democrats of harassment. Anthony Weiner, a Democrat, is the latest example. Get your facts straight. You don't even know what you think you know.
No, you are blinded by yours. You are making things up that don't have any basis in fact or even rational supposition. Get a grip man. I swear to god Republicans project their paraphilias onto others. I see it time after time after time.
braindamage - must be wonderful to trust your political party. Keep on trusting them.
An able front man,,,Cain. A giant intellectual...Newt. Lets fix this mess!
Andrew - If you think Gloria Allred isn't a democrat, pro-Obama supporter then it's you that don't have your facts straight.
Brianb...
The DNC would love nothing more than if Herman Cain ran as the Republican nominee for president. He polls the worst against Obama.
Do you seriously not get that? Think about it.
That wasn't your claim. Did you forget what you said already? It's only been 14 minutes since you said:
My goodness. Yeah, she's a democrat. Yeah she donated to Obama's campaign...but that's not what we've been talking about. You should know what we've been talking about because you started the conversation.
Allegation in line for a lie!
RIP Rick Perry
Lets go pussies
Glad to bring a smile to someones face Jbled, and I enjoyed myself doing it.
You are right Andrew, Dems would love for Cain to get the nomination, just like they were hoping for Bachmann or Palin to get it. It would be a slam dunk win for Obama. I think the only candidate who has a chance of beating Obama is Romney. Romney is the least objectionable one out of the bunch. Although its unlikely, he has the best chance out of all of them to swing us Independents.
Oh yeah - that third department... Let's do away with the Dept of Energy. We can trust the private sector to manage our nuclear arsenal. Right now the DOE manages all the nuclear bombs in the US. DoD does not have the capability to do this.
We all know that private enterprise can do this better than the public sector. The fact that the Koch brothers were selling to Iran would not happen again. Or Halliburton selling to North Korea. Or any of the other illegal activities that businesses have done. They would never sell nuclear weapons to the highest bidder. No - they would never do that (and if you believe that, I have a bridge in NYC to sell you)...
OK republicans there is your choice. Moe, Larry or Curly. Take your pick.
interested observer
Lets see the @!$%#in books man!
Sandtrich - interested in the Ron Paul comments. On opensecrets.org it looks like he is around the median for earmarks, but I find no info regarding money from lobbyists, which would be more of a surprise from him. Any details?
Why should Cain do the media's and the DNC's work for them? The first two accusers settled out of court and agreed to legally binding gag orders. If their cases had a snowball's chance in hell, they would have proceeded with them 15 years ago when they first made the accusations. Obviously, their cases had no merit. I don't believe these latest women in the slightest. Who's paying for Gloria Allred's services? I highly doubt she's doing this pro-bono, and lawyers like her ain't cheap. Sexual harassment suits are a joke. Ambulance chasers like Allred have made careers off of them. People use them all the time nowadays as a form of character assassination. Forget the truth. You want to hurt someone, especially a man? Make up some lame story about how he made you feel uncomfortable and he will be convicted in the court of public opinion by spineless, politically correct hacks without a smidgen of journalistic integrity.
My, my...Brianb...you seem a bit testy when it comes to Cain and these allegations, don't you? Perhaps you contributed to his campaign and are now somewhat dismayed at what you see you potentially invested in. If such is the case, I have two words for you about that..."who cares?"
As far as your little "theories" go, you seem to have one for just about every little thing that tends to besmirch any one you might support or those you don't like. I don't have to recall them for you, your history of posts more than bears that out.
As you seem to have a problem understanding the very simple premise of this issue, let me repeat it for you: YOU don't have any more information about who did/may have done what to whom concerning Cain and those who have accused him...you know nothing more than anyone else around here, but yet, you're all ready to lay the blame in the lap of anybody BUT Cain. But really...your crystal ball isn't any clearer than anyone else's, is it?. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. If you've got proof that it was the DNC, or the media, or anybody else for that matter, why don't YOU just trot it on out for all to see? What? YOU don't actually HAVE any proof of that? Absolutely...shocking. (yawn)
Well, as shown in your initial post, you know all about that, don't you?
Good...I always love to read hysterical postings. What I should have said to be much more clearer for you, as you obviously just chomped your way past it, was "When you have some actual irrefutable facts concerning this issue, then be so good as to come back and share them with all of us." There, now Brian...does that calm you down any?
No? Then go back to the first paragraph and read those last two words again.
Free spotlight. You cant buy it
Brianb,
The D.N.C. did not pay a dime on 11/8/2011 to the voters who rejected the GOP's Fascist's agenda. With respect to America's standard of living and human rights - the GOP will only drag America backwards. Thankfully more of our citizens have come to realize this fact. Herman Cain's political platform will economically, politically and socially bury the populace. The sexual harassment charges against him - just makes it more clear how unfit Cain is to hold the nation's highest office.
If Cain is the GOP's presidential nominee - Obama will cream him in the 2012 election.
how reagenesque of mr perrry
Does anyone here really believe that the National Restaurant Association shelled out $38,000 without investigating the facts and determining that a settlement was warranted? No Human Resources department would do that.
First Cain said that he wasn't aware of any sexual harassment charges against him. Next he said that he was aware, but he didn't know any details of a settlement. Next he said that he heard that the person was paid "a few months wages" when in fact, she was paid a whole years salary.
I'm not sure of the credibility of the last woman to accuse Cain, but when he said that he has "never sexually harassed anyone at any time period”, I cannot believe him. His story keeps changing all the time. Bush was more credible when he said he didn't inhale.
The Republicans don’t care about what this man has done. The only care how much his 9-9-9 plan will save them by shifting more of the tax burden onto the poor and middle class. When the Republicans said “No new taxes”, they meant for the people that make over $200,000 a year.
They spun closing tax loopholes for millionaires as “Raising Taxes”. They tell us that taxing the rich will impair job creation. The rich have most of the money right now. Do you see a lot of new jobs as a result?
Nobody hires more workers because they can afford it. They hire workers to meet market demand. People spend more when they have more. If you want to create jobs, you need to reduce the tax burden on the poor and middle class so that we have a little money to spend on the extras.
You actually need character to have it assassinated. Cain is a despicable corporate stooge. It doesn't matter if the allegations are true or not. He is the least suitable candidate of the bunch with or without the allegations.
Perry is a twin of Bush..another stupid Texan.
Guys, go easy on Brian. His taxes are paying for your public employee salaries, medicaid, welfare and unemployment benefits.
Show some respect for your benefactor.
Information has just come out today on both these women:
1)Sharon Bialek : She is is serious Financial trouble
(2)Karen Kraushaar : This women has done this complaint now twice. The last was at a company regarding an email all employees got. One part was about a reference to men and the other was about women which was a woman is like a computer because she never forgets. That is what this women said was sexual harassment.
They both have serious credibility issues. One needs money badly and the other has sued for money in the past because she didn't get her way.
Get the facts straight. Herman Cain never settled anything or had any complaint that was sustained against him. The Restaurant Association paid a severance pay because it is cheaper than litigation. Businesses do it all the time to clear out unwanted trouble makers.
It's not an election--it's a debate. He has as much time as anyone else. Who in the hell wants to hear that same tired, "take ti back to the 1800's" rhetoric.
The truth is, the Democrats would LOVE to see Cain get the nomination.
He absolutely bombed against Obama in the latest poll, and this is before most of America has even had a chance to check out his joke of a campaign.
BTW,,,,Perry is retarded
The republicans need help. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the republicans. Won't someone please help them? Anyone? Spare a coherent thought Brother? Anyone? Sigh..........................
Perry is the Bush you libs always wanted to have! This guy is a grade A dip@!$%#. I would rather have an Irishman!
Walker25, the DNC and their union thugs outspent the Republicans on the Ohio Prop.2 campaign by a 3-1 margin. They bought that election outcome, pure and simple. I'll admit, it was a badly written law. Gov. Kasich should've spent a couple hours on the phone with Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker on how to get it worded properly so that it would've been airtight vs. the massive DNC and union assault on it. It was a minor speedbump on the way to a better future for America now that we have seen exactly how quickly the Democrats can spend us into becoming a third-world dictatorship.
BobStein said:
Guys, go easy on Brian. His taxes are paying for your public employee salaries, medicaid, welfare and unemployment benefits.
If the intelligence levels shown in the posts made by you or Brianb is any indication, neither one of you pay much in the way of taxes, if you work at all. Minimum wage job holders do not pay much to the taxman, and you are obviously not smart enough to do anything that requires skill or an education.
Perry is the Republican's Biden!
Stand up Chuck! Stand up!!!
EXCELLENT DEBATE!!
Any of these candidates is an improvement over the imposter we have trespassing in our White House.
Even Perry's small hiccup showed he's better suited than our campaigner in chief.
I guess it ranks up there with 57 states and calling Christian Bouchard a "corpse-man" for the TOTUS.
I think O'bama should be subject to a lie detector
appalachian: By jobs that don't require skill or education do you do you mean public employee jobs? Even minimum wage earners contribute to the wages of over paid public employees. It's sad, really.
I think ALL black men must be treated alike, dont you all?
Hey Get a Clue: (an appropriate moniker if ever there was one) Businesses settle legal claims out of court all the time. Last time I checked, the current payout rate was around $64,000. That is the amount of money that big corporations have determined it will cost them to hire a lawyer and investigate the accusations against them. If they can get a plaintiff to settle for less than that, they will usually pay them off just to save themselves the time and money. Obviously, Mr Cain's first two accusers went for much cheaper than that...kinda makes you wonder why, when the upside of a big sexual harassment lawsuit would be so much more lucrative, doesn't it?
The republicans need help. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the republicans. Won't someone please help them? Anyone? Spare a coherent thought Brother? Anyone? Sigh..........................
My friend---we've got a pizza man that has the intellect of a garden fruit. I thought the country had enough of the dummies with 8 years of Bush. The guy had that raw West Texas dumb ass thing to a science. In the debates I remember Gore just tiring of the constant blatant lies and "fuzzy math." "Fuzzy math" ruined a perfectly good used country--a country with good people that didn't spew vitriol at each other.
There'll be a history book blurb about how a small and short lived party disrupted the nation for a few years. They disburse and go back to their daily doings down at the local barber shops.
A good evening to ya!
I'll put up my 40 years of private sector dominance vs your lifetime of community organizing. Ignorant fool
Probably the same DNC that paid her to waltz out poor little Nicki Diaz.
Remember the poor little embattled ILLEGAL ALIEN that was so offended because she only made $23 an hour working for Meg Whitman.
10:1 odds that little charade allowed little Nicki to stay in the USA to vote for our Illegal in Chief.
r paul needs and wants his own planet. He cannot have Earth.
Lemme see. Gloria Allred? Oh, yeah. The woman who has that rather incompetent TV show wherein she poses as a judge. (Yeah, I know about the OJ trial, but I never thought Americans would accept a judge claiming she was responsible for anyone's jail confinement. I always thought judges were supposed to be neutral and judge each case on the evidence presented?) Seems to me we should be able to trust a man's choice of attorney. But where would a congressman have gotten the money to hire a self important attorney? From peddling a few burgers? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
BobStein said:
appalachian: By jobs that don't require skill or education do you do you mean public employee jobs?
Do I do I mean? LOL. Seriously though, I wouldn't know bob. I have never worked one or known someone who has, since in my area they are all held by Republicans and obtained through nepotisim. But you actually may be onto something. Finding an intelligent man in the south is quite a trick, and almost immpossible in this podunk mostly Republican county. So I would imagine, at least locally, they are all indeed quite unskilled and uneducated. Good call.
Everytime I think I can't get any more embarrassed to be from Texas, Governor Big Hair opens his mouth and proves me wrong. I just sincerely hope his buffoonery being broadcast nationally will keep him from being elected to a 4th term as governor here. What an idiot.
Funny how a black man that is a Conservative brings out all the typical racism, bias and hate in the Libbies isn't it?
Of course the Lefties can spew all their vitriolic hate at a black man and not be considered the racists they really are.
Hypocrites!
If your only defense is a conspiracy theory, you have lost. If your story relies on 2nd and 3rd order twists to hold water, then all you have is a good sieve. If you think you can accurately describe half the population (i.e. liberals) as all having the same traits, you are an idiot. If you are Brian B, you are wasting our time.
Cain: He knew nothing about it. Then he knew something about it. Then he recollected about it and remembered more. Then he didn't want to talk about it... a consistent lie could be true. A lie that changes day over day is truly a lie. He also a bit too "Kochy".
Perry: I truly feel for the man. He seems to have enough to get out of the gate, but gets worn out and "panicked" and tense too easily. Being forgetful isn't a crime... it just isn't the mark of who would be President. Buckling under pressure is not what we need.
Romney: Simplicity wins. Romney's explanations that get him to a "conservative" to be supported by the Tea Party is too complex and contrived. If it takes too much explanation, it will never be explained nor trusted. Romney is such.
Paul: Honest to a fault. Would make a good neighbor, a great friend, an honest business partner, but lacks the flexibility for the presidency. A strict rules-based policy is easy to follow, but too predictable and too dangerous. He's had way too many "WTF" statements for most of us.
Bachmann:)
Huntsman: Way too liberal for the conservatives... too wrong for the right... to forgiving for the religious... too flexible for the stiff.
Gingrich: Way too Gingrich. Too old school Republican. Tea Party would never allow him.
Santorum: "Googles" badly. Brings too much baggage and losses from the past. Just not that "likable".
And the winner is? Could well be Obama.
Nothing tuff to figure out here. He already gave away his energy policy intentions by what he believes to be global warming. Flip it around all you want you @!$%#in snake in the grass
Kornfed
Neither running a pizza company nor organizing communities has a damn thing to do with someone's ability to lead, to motivate, to think, to keep "the people" in mind, or to be our president. Both past jobs could yield a president, but neither of the jobs will make one.
The gaffe was Cain's, not Perry, when he referred to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as "Princess Nancy."
and speaks volumes to me of this black man's attitude toward a white woman.
If you dont see a difference, I am afraid you are beyond hope. If I were you, I would lay face down, with a paper towel wick dipped in gasoline stuffed in my ass. I'll trust the next torch barer to seal your fate
When he referred to former Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as "Princess Nancy" Cain showed his true colors as a man who does not respect women.
Nothing new for most conservative males but another Freudian slip of his that will turn off independent women.
LMarcT, you lay out an excellent appraisal of the candidates we conservatives have to choose from, but you forgot one last thing: If Obama wins, America, as we know it, loses.
An Individual #1.73: "Ron Paul wants and needs his own planet." Right. Unfortunately the closest he will ever get to one was the "space rock yu55" and it soundly rejected him. Sigh......................, poor republicans.............sigh....(:<(
Greentom, I have all the respect in the world for women in general, but zero for Her Majesty, Princess Pelosi. Beleive me, I have called her much worse. From her coronation procession down the aisles of Congress, vacuous expression firmly pasted on her face while holding that childish gigantic gavel, to her now-famous quote that we would "have to pass the bill in order to find out what's in the bill" with Obamacare, to, quite literally, locking the Republicans out of the room while she and the leaders of the DNC quietly shoved said bill, plus nearly a trillion dollars in stimulus spending, down our throats using an arcane Congressional rule that was not intended for such purposes, she has shown nothing but contempt for the rule of law and the American people. She is a disgrace to her Congressional district, her state, her country, and the American political system in general.
Kornfed
I think O'bama should be subject to a lie detector
Brother, they have voice stress indicators that they run on each others speeches. Trouble is--as comfortable as most politicians are with lying, they'd probably pass with flying colors. You could ask me about 100 different Democrats and I'd say Jimmy Carter was an incredibly honest President and President Obama would be a close second. The entire economy was collapsing in a way that the US has never seen, 2 wars, rising unemployment, mortgage crisis, historical number of bankruptcies--an endless list. He's doing the best job of any President ever under the pressures. The sooner the right realizes that we cannot exist as makers and users of military weaponry, have 12 Aircraft Carriers while the next most is 3 countries tied at 1 a piece.
I just thought of "Bozo" tripling the national debt and the right said nothing. He was so arrogant when asked about the soaring national debt he said, "the National debt is big enough to take care of itself."
...and your evidence of the evil Democrats involvement would be what, precisely?
Or isn't that important.
sandtrich: I'll second that. Greatest problem with the "cheerleader" wasn't that he didn't have a mind. It was though, his mind was too small to be out by itself. Accordingly, his nanny, Cheney took advantage of the mental tad. Regards
I would pay good money to see Newt debate our empty suit TOTUS. One-on-one, no moderator's, just a list of issues sent to each camp by the people, 3 hours.
Newt has forgotten more politics than our current Imposter In Chief can ever hope to learn. The American people would finally see what an embarrassment they created with the Great Mistake of 2008.
The prospects do seem bleak:
Mitt Romney, who wants to be President so he can do whatever it was he had to say to get elected. There's a difference between "moderate" and "spineless bootleg-copy of a person," even if GOP voters can't make that distinction, these days.
Herman Cain, who (beyond all recent indications of unsavory character) didn't realize that China has a nuclear arsenal and believes that supporting a women's right to choose makes him pro-life. It's your fault if you don't have a job, unless you blame Barrak Obama. Pity, the only thing this guy had was character...
Rick Perry seems like a kid who got to drink a few sips of Thanksgiving wine with the grown-ups, and was just waiting for someone to realize he was tipsy and tell him it was time to go to bed. Were we really worried about this guy?
We've got Newt Ginrich, who touts all the arrogance of erudition, without any of the open-minded intellectual curiosity that it usually fosters. His brand of educated mean makes me truly miss "The Williams" (Safire and Buckley, Jr.). I used to wonder what would become of the "Intellectual Right" once they passed. I never thought it would be represented by a man who had a ghost-writer help him pen a "What if Hitler won the war?" novel.
Then there's Ron "I've been in congress since 1976, fighting for congressional term limits" Paul (let that sink in.) The guy who points to the Galveston Hurricane of 1900, in which upwards of 12,000 people died (no one really knows for sure... it could only be 6,000.) as a model for his idyllic, post-FEMA America.
Michele Bachmann believes Jesus told her to run for President and brought about the Virginia earthquake this Summer as a "warning to Washington."
But if you think that's crazy, get John Huntsman, who publicly spoke out about his crackpot theory that global warming is aggravated by human carbon-emissions, and that Darwinism should be taught in our public schools and not only (as is believed by most on the Right) in our business colleges. No way that fruit-loop is going to get the nomination...
Is the nation really so bad that people would rather have one of these people for a President? I know it wasn't as wonderful as we all hoped back in 2008, but are lower taxes and de-regulation going to cure the debt and prevent another financial crisis ('cause they worked so well from '00-'08) and that's all any of these people are really talking about doing if elected. Please don't get discouraged and stay home next November; your country needs you.
Brian; I don't have a political party - they haven't created a true Liberal party yet. I am listed as a Green Party member - because I mail in my vote they wanted me to pick a party (not sure why other than to bombard me with propaganda - something the Greens don't do).
To suggest I have faith in any party, is the ghost in your head talking to you. Are you that guy on the street corner yelling at everything that moves?
As I use to say in the old Everett Herald Forum; I'm so far left that I often end up on the right. In other words; if you have a sound argument - I'll adopt it, regardless of party. Unfortunately I seem to do a lot of rejecting of all parties. Common sense, logic, and balance don't send out propaganda - when they do I'll send you some.
Funny how a black man that is a Conservative brings out all the typical racism, bias and hate in the Libbies isn't it?
Of course the Lefties can spew all their vitriolic hate at a black man and not be considered the racists they really are.
Hypocrites!
Seriously?! You are aware that disliking a potential presidential candidate is not the same as a "hate crime," right? Hell, you can even HATE a black man without being racist... if you don't hate him simply because of the color of his skin. Personally, I don't "hate" Cain. I don't know him well enough for the emotion to have soared to that level. I think he is slimy, misogynistic, a sideshow freak, and a poor example of someone should be the leader of the free world. But none of those things are motivated by the level of melanin in his flesh.
Just Concerned: Newt concerns me too. Notice he never gets any press. I find that odd and disconcerting. As you say, Newt is an experienced politician. He is afoot amongst us, out along the highways and byways of our country, and, MY GWAD!, apparently unwatched by the media or any of the various constabulary. Newt is capable of much mayhem! Additionally, he is adept and quite sly. Newt can lightfinger ones wallet with one hand and remove a 300 pound mans whitey tighties leaving his britches intact with the other. Gwad, just think of the possible exposure of mischief to unaware women folk! Aye gwad, Newt bears watching from all angles. Even then, he's liable to help himself to someone else's soup without being noticed.
This is the same Rick Perry, who just 2 weeks ago, claimed he would beat Obama in a debate.
Maybe Perry should invest in a. . . TELEPROMPTER!
Or an education.
But if you think that's crazy, get John Huntsman, who publicly spoke out about his crackpot theory that global warming is aggravated by human carbon-emissions, and that Darwinism should be taught in our public schools and not only (as is believed by most on the Right) in our business colleges. No way that fruit-loop is going to get the nomination...
You know what's really the saddest part about this whole thing? Huntsman actually has the message it would take to give Obama a run for his money. In fact, his message appeals to the overall flavor of the US populace as the majority of folks run slightly right of center. It's actually a shame that he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of snagging the nomination. It isn't his platform that sinks him, it is the lack of money to run an effective campaign. The teaparty/Koch party controls the RNC purse strings and crazy wants to be represented by crazy. Hell, Romney is even too sane for them - although his apparent bi-polar issue manifest by his contant flipflopping does make a good case for him.
I am left of center and I am not sure I wouldn't vote for Huntsman. I don't think Obama is a bad president. I think he is a hog-tied president, therefore, less than effective. With Hunstman at the helm, there may not be as much gridlock. Plus I wouldn't have to worry so much about those far right, paranoid-schizophrenic policies eroding the gains we have made in civil rights.
If it was not clear before now it is very clear now. The fact that Mr. Cain continues to condescend to women in the midst of all of his inappropriate actions and and sexual assault charges against him. Te man still finds time to name call women. The pattern that exists of blond white women but also the sexual harassment and assault themselves is clear in its self evident pattern. ; ]
Along with his position that women should die in the process of having a rape baby or a molestation baby against her will mandated by the state also lens credence to the FACT Mr. Cain believes women to be beneath him. Any psychologist worth his or her salt would tell you this clearly. And furthermore where is his wife in all of this? Dead? Hmmm . ;]
Her silence speaks VOLUMES..
Because he is sooo innocent the company of lobbyist settled. Twice. Hmm indeed
Cheers
Sandritch,
I like you, but I digress.
Lets look at your accusation. Can you back it up or is it just bull@!$%#? Are you saying that this $5m went back to the taxpayers in his district who probably paid much more in federal taxes to get it back Or are you claiming he did something illegal? Please clarify.
Please provide some sources. Is your oplensecrets.org just another snopes, because we know who they are...?
Anybody see Bill Maher last week showing all the pictures of Cain in his pimp hat - if you showed those pictures to my grandparents 45 years ago and told them his guy might be the GOP nominee for President in 2012 - they would have dropped dead. I'd vote for Charles Barkley before I voted for a pimp wanna-be.
Truly disappointed in the array of candidates for the Republican Party--
Cain--should have maintained his change Policies for the country instead of getting steeped in the mess with these bimbos--It may have happened, but I'll bet it was "Consensual" on the part of the gals--they cannot get enough of them together to show a United Front--they see $$$$ if they tell their story; The Verdict on Cain isn't out yet---he never should get down to the level of continuing his Defense Mode.
He may have "had" in the running for President---who's next? Romney?--Bachman, Palin, Cain, Perry (an idiot) all have been marred by the smear campaign--
--I detest the manner and personality of Rick Perry--he should get out now, to let the serious Candidates run a Serious Campaign.
It's like Animals eating each other up in the same Party-- think the Republicans will win at any cost. People look far beyond this petty stuff, to just get another chance to try to start all over again, fresh with possibly some new "Blood" and Agenda from the WH. Bush out, Obama in; same thing.
We cannot take this anymore--the current Administration, showing no progress in the current bad Economy; no interest in Americans and the Welfare.. Hopefully Obama will know better than to get involved with the mess of Penn State, and mentioning how wonderful Paterno, Sandusky, and the others are--I would faint.
A Change for 2012 will mark starting a Clean Slate.
Cain also said that "four women have accused me of sexual harassment, but there are thousands of women who have not." Brilliant statement coming from a presidential candidate. It's like a serial killer saying, "well, gosh, look at all the women who I didn't murder. That should count for somethin'."
Mozzie:
Cain is a novice at campaigning--Perry, a real "dope"; I hope for the best Candidate to come to the front very soon---
Cain will probably get a Cabinet Position if a Republican President is nominated.
Maui, And I hope that Cain gets the nomination. A shoo-in for a second term for Obama.
"Democrats haven't let the state's voters forget an op-ed penned by Romney at the height of Chrysler and General Motors' financial difficulties in 2008, urging the government to let Detroit "go bankrupt." "
Huh??????????????????
But it was OK for Obama to let them "go bankrupt"?
So Obama did just what Romney recommended, but they try to use that against Romney?
Talk about 'sleight of hand'. What a joke
This guy is just plain dumb.
The authors of this story and any one who would let one person's gaffe overshadow a presidential debate are the dumbest, most ignorant people on the face of the planet. Those who prescribe to that type of idiocy have their heads so far up their - - - they can see out their mouth.
I am NOT a fan of Perry but understand his predicament. Pain is baffling situation and one can learn to live with it without medication but the quality of life is GREATLY diminished. One of the things to go is the memory. I don't know the why and how of it but it has been my experience.
Perry needs to step aside as a Presidential candidate and as Governor.
I knew MSNBC was in the bag for Obama but to put Michael Moore on after the debate to run his mouth as usual? This is thier political expert? This jerk who has made millions appealing to the stupid in our society. He is out there applauding the nut jobs in the parks but I don't see him handing over his millions to any of the people going through hard times in Michigan. What killed the auto industry in Michigan was simply the unions. Thier constant demand for exagerated wages and benefits pushed manufacturers to go more automated and finally to move operations to cheaper locations. Bottom line, the folks that worked at all those great jobs got so greedy, they did themselves out of a job. This guy hates himself and everyone else and the intelligence level of people who listen to him make me worried about the future of this country. The attack dogs certainly seem to be in full assault after Cain, I have to wonder if most of this isn't caused by the fact that he is black and they are scared Obama can't use the race card against him so up comes the sexual harrassment stuff. Hmmmmm, I don't know what is true and what isn't and as usual none will be proved or disproved either way before the electionl. I just find it mighty convenient. In Chicago, this and racial descrimination claims were every day occurances for the past 3 - 4 decades. Whether they had any validity or not. So I'm reserving judgement either way until someone comes up with more than he said, she said. Those pay offs to other women could have been over their being fired or anything, no paperwork has been shown. Sueing after being fired, is almost routine in some neighborhoods there.
To those knocking Perry for forgetting the word he was after in this situation should know that such a blank out after 50 is entirely common especially for a person who is very busy and under pressure. Doesn't prove a thing about the memory. If you asked him today, he no doubt could spout it off with no problem. Maybe it just proves he isn't a automaton spouting words he memorized without meaning a word. Maybe we should take that as a sign of his being genuine. Exhaustion can also cause such a momentary lapse in memory. Obama uses a teleprompter because he can't apparently remember anything or he has not idea what he is supposed to say. He certainly seems to forget quickly enough when he says the opposite thing shortly thereafter.
Oh puhleeeese shaking my head....I wouldn't go THAT far. I live in TX and he's a crap Governor.
Noted female conservative commentator defending the republican field: "All the candidates have their little pecadillos."
Cain response: "I can assure you my pecadillo is not small. Now how about dinner, princess?"
Perry response: "The American people understand that I'm an imbecile. But they understand that it's an understandably common human trait amongst us."
Compare to Perry, Bush is a saint.
Polls are great. The American people are right on innocent until proven guilty. Accusations were just a small dent for Cain. Now the truth is coming out about the accusers connections to Democrat organizers. Cain is back on track. Awesome.
Note how the masses latch on to a verbal gaff without one wit of attention paid to the substance of the cuts. The size of the agencies, the size of the cuts...
Th US budget is like a runaway train with 100 cars attached. Perry explains that he'll disconnect cars #98, #99, and... oops he forgot what the third car was!
So as we all laugh over Perry's gaff, there's a fully loaded train headed straight for us. Does Perry deserved to be laughed at, or is it the gossip-loving masses?
For now, we can afford to lose ourselves in Lindsey Lohan-style nonsense. Note how Greece and Italy wouldn't pay much attention to Perry's gaff or 57 states? Germany is slowly losing their sense of humor as well. These countries have real problems. I guess the United States does not.
How many days was Kardashian married? Let's discuss.
No worries, Herman is going to celebrate by going to a bar and sexually harassing more women. ;)
I think the faster we get to the point where the republicans cut the federal govt budget in half, and our nation crumbles to it's knee's and 1/2 this nation is unemployed and angry and ready to burn DC to the ground...the faster we'll do an about face and realize the top 10% in this nation has not been paying it's fair share, their larger gains in lowered taxes NEVER turned into jobs as promised, and the only solution to our nations troubles is to level out the playing field like it was from the 30's to the 70's...when our economy steadily grew, there were not bubble economies, and CEO's were not making 300x what their lowest paid employee made...and therefore, their lowest paid employee could actually live a decent life without needing govt assistance.
I wish that we had never bailed out the banks, or the auto industry, and just let our economy take a giant nose dive...the masses would be much more inclined to finish off the class warfare that the rich have been waging on the rest of us since the early 80's
Cain is so expert at lying. That's why he makes such a good Republican. When denying his predatory assaults upon these women he never batted an eye and made his denial with absolutely no passion at all. Typical of people who have become professional liars.
Perry is a just a comical dufus.
And I believe it's more like the GOP in one of their Klan meetings saying:
You know we can't have another one of them in OUR White House. It's good to make a showing, pushing him up front, just to look good, but it's going too far, time to knock him down.
That's more like it, than some foolish thought of the DNC doing this. White America is in the fight of their lives right now, fastly becoming a minority, they will do anything it takes to re-gain power, and control, hence the hypocritical "pro-life" bullsh!t. The only reason they are so compelled on that issue is they don't want their white women aborting any babies, thus causing them to become the minority, faster.
Well Brianb...you're in the right party! If Democrats had pulled this one it would be during the general election...not the primary. Need a few more cups of coffee partner?
BETHIE, YOU made me laugh out loud!!! No, he just needs to go away. Far, far away!! Do not pass go, do not collect $200 dollars.
I have said this many times. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Rick, do all of us in Texas a favor and just shut up and go away. Don't go away mad, just go away!!!!
Is there really anything more that needs to be said about this man?
Exactly, and I don't see anyone accusing Romney of sexual harrassment. Wouldn't Romney be the one to go after if this was some Democratic conspiracy? But then, the accusations were made years ago (when Cain was never running for public office). It must have been a brilliant conspiracy to accuse Cain 15 years ago knowing he would be running for President now.
Comon, we know Cain did something he's determined to put behind him. Leave it to Republican lemmings to come to his defense. Shows how bright THEY are.
"Bottom line is, I may have forgotten energy, but I haven't forgotten my conservative principles."
Oh, goody.
our presidency these days is nothing but a big joke. we got a pizza dude running for president, he doesn t know anything about the gov't. i thought it was bad cuz obama cuz he was only in the govt for 4 years bfore he ran for prez. besides having no army background hes being accused of groping before being elected. clinton was n office a while bfore gettn jiggy. what the hell is happening? is it cuz ppl believe our world is ending in dec 21 2012......so, does it mean go ahead and help screw it up to the end?
It is funny.
Perry pulled the exact same thing Obama did when asked why the troops were not home 2-years ago. The teleprompter was out and all he could do was uh-uh-uh-uh. The only one not a moron is Ron Paul.
RON PAUL 2012
Thats it, I am running now! This is my official announcement: I am running for President of the US of A! There are not "ghosts" from my past that will come out saying I harrassed them, no "baby's mama" coming out, no "he owed us millions" to appear or anything. I have been sort of boring. I have had an immaculate record of service, combat injuries and believe that you dont have to step, claw or stab anyone in the back to do a good job or do right by others. I also do not fold under pressure by lobbyists that will attempt to pressure me for their votes. I am so ready to go toe to toe with the current politicians and am not afraid to get my nuckles bruised! Bring it on. Lets compare ethics and morals!
Do I have any backers? Write me into the "OTHER" block and lets gets our awesome Country back to the way it was: economy settled, politicians that do not take advantage of their position just for a paycheck and free medical (mandatory maximum number of years that they can serve and only get free healthcare and paychecks WHILE they serve) and do nothing that they promise. I am sickened.
I am going to get my suit ready now.....
Perry seems to keep adding one FUBAR (Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition in the polite terminology) moment after another to his campaign that is already self destructing. Maybe he should go ask his pastor for advice!
Just my 2 coppers.....you hit the nail on the head. John Huntsman seems by far to have the most sense....but since he's not acting like a sideshow freak (Bachmann, Perry) or has harrassment allegations against him (Cain), or has his surname in the urban dictionary for a rather nasty biological product (Santorum), he doesn't get any press.
I find it hilarious that Perry, the man who wants to abolish the department of education, uses this sentence: "This ain't a day for quitting nothing"
The scary thing is that Republicans read that sentence and do not see anything wrong with it.
In regards to Cain, I agree with everyone else... we would LOVE to see him nominated. He has absolutely zero chance at beating Obama. Sure, the right-wing extremists love him, but he has no chance at getting the independent and moderate votes. So please, Republicans, nominate this man. Don't listen to the media or the Dems, and vote for Cain.
Former-GOP, well you are right on one thing. I refuse to listen to the media or the Dems! Can't even begin to say yet whether I would vote for Cain, but I do know for sure that I would not vote for Perry and especially not for Obama! Before you possibly consider condemning me for being Republican, I consider myself one of those moderate Independents you mentioned. I stopped believing the hogwash of both Republicans and Democrats long ago. I try to vote for the person I feel is best qualified for the job and not the party.
Yes, thank you -- very well put. "We don't need no education" " Really??? It is almost like everyone is so caught up in their own ego-driven BS that noone sees (or wants to see) reality. I am not in love with Obama -- but if this crowd is the best the GOP can field -- it is an easy re-election of this President.
I am not replying to any one particular post in this series--but I do want to say that there was a helluva lot of material here for Don Rickles types to last for 50 years!! lol Some of the comments were extraordinarily clever and belly-busting funny. And maybe Disabled_Vet should provide his name so I can write him in on my ballot.
"Bottom line is, I may have forgotten energy, but I haven't forgotten my conservative principles."
Oh, goody." I love that one.
Is there really anything more that needs to be said about this man?"
And he wants to dissolve the Department of Education?? And the Department of Energy?? Whoopee. Perry spoke about seceding from the Union too. Even Texans are embarrassed about him--as Vince said much, much earlier--he called him Governor "Big Hair." love it. lol
If stupid were bricks, "Kornfed" would be the Great Wall of China.
Ed-NavDoc - Good Day to You my Friend. I know you KNOW that FUBAR in no way means FOULED up, Right? Just trying to keep it civil, Right? :)
And a good day to you Sir! As I said above, I was just vocalizing the polite company version. Would not want to get suspended or anything.
It amazes me how some people claim racism from liberals who don't like Herman Cain's policies. The racism that Obama had to deal with was FAR more petty and superficial.
Herman Cain is an idiot who thinks that running a pizza chain and running a superpower are roughly equivalent in terms of difficulty. This conclusion was reached by the fact that he's based his entire campaign on this 9-9-9 plan of his which every economist worth his salt has pointed out would only make things worse.
Obama, however, is extremely well educated, talked to people as if they were capable of understanding complete sentences as opposed to sound bites, and has been willing to admit on many occasions that, hey, our country is not an easy thing to manage. He actually has some respect for our nation. And what does he get in return?
A full third of the country think he's actually an african muslim because he's got a foreign sounding name. And now, three years into his term, we STILL have people insisting that his election was illegal. THAT is racism. And it's sad that so many of you can't seem to understand that.
No one in the DNC has ever demanded that Cain show us his birth certificate. No one has ever suggested that he isn't legally allowed to run for president. Instead they've said that he'd be a bad one - mostly because of a lack of political experience and overly simplistic policies that are informed more by "common sense" than a working knowledge of economics. These are all legitimate concerns which have been leveled at most of the republican candidates to some extent.
But hey, if you'd rather try to demonize those who disagree with you instead of trying to understand them or, god forbid, engage them in a debate, go right ahead. You're entitled to hold whatever opinion you want. Just as everyone else is entitled to tear it apart however they want if you choose to voice it in a public forum.
We live in Texas and i've voted for Perry everytime. He has never been known for speaking or debating but he knows how to get stuff done. I wish all the people of this country knew that. I have stage fright so bad i would never get in front of a crowd to speak without making a fool of myself even if i knew what the hell i was talking about. Forgive Perry's inability to speak or debate. He is great governor he'd make a great president.
Glenn Davis.. I am a Texan and I do not get why you think Perry is so good..Please tell me what this idiot has done for our state.. Enlighten me please. Because I see nothing more than low paying jobs, he lives in a TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR a month mansion, when he could live simply. Our education has gone to hell in the last 10 years under Perry, The only jobs are minimum wage. Anything decent paying is going to Illegals. Perry is living high on the hog and has not done a damned thing for our state!!!!
So please tell me exactly what this guy has done for my state????
cmach i agree with you about the illegals, that part does suck but he has created jobs and our state is sitting prettier than the majority of the other states. OH and look it up yourself, you know what he has done. And decent paying is only going to illegals. LOL you've lost your argument with that statement. I'd like to see you proof on that comment. You so funny! But anyhow, Perry's ability to not debate worth a crap has sunk his ship. I'm goin with Ron Paul
Is BrianB, who started this off, truly so self-deluded that he thinks this is coming from the left? It looks like he has a lot of company in his delusions. Are you really suggesting that they were paid by the Democrats? So that would mean that you think the women were paid more by the Democrats than they were paid by the National Restaurant Association to keep their mouths shut?
My boy Clinton couldn't keep it in his pants and neither can your boy Cain. So what? I don't care that Cain gropes job seekers, that is so far down my list of why he should never be president. At least Clinton presided over the longest period of sustained growth in modern history. Cain got rich under Clinton, is that ironic to anyone but me? Meanwhile Cain's best shot at the economy is to implement a plan he stole from a video game, (SimCity).
Why would Democrats go after Cain? I'm ready to register as a Republican just so I can insure that he is the candidate. Talk about fish in a barrel. Keep up the support for Cain, and insure that Obama has another term!
By the way, Brian, since the best retort to logical argument you seem to have is to call the other person a liberal, I'd better point out that I am NOT a Democrat. I used to be but I sent them a letter nearly ten years ago telling them that now that I was over 55 I couldn't afford to be associated with a group known for its impotence.
I predict a RABID Rick Santorum !!!
Now that would be interesting......LOL
Shhhhhhhh! Let them all keep talking. We win ... er, guess no one wins these days. Well, one percent will. Fu ... Wait, what? Used to be a cent sign on the keyboard. No longer applicable, I guess.
FTS!
I just realized that CAIN IS THE REPUBLICAN WE NEED. Poor Perry, I know he was dreaming on wearing his golden hi-hells on the republican convention. lol
When I see the Republican 7 onstage, I see potentially great Cabinet members. Newt (the smartest one of all) as Sec. of State. Bachmann as Attorney General. Cain as Sec. of Commerce. Huntsman as the Ambassador to the U.N. Romney as Sec. of Treasury, or perhaps the White House Chief-of-Staff. Perry getting coffee for everyone as a White House intern. Ron Paul (as played by Al Lewis) as Grandpa Munster, stuck down in the basement.......now all we need is an actual Presidential candidate that doesn't leave the taste of bile in my throat! I would SOOO vote for a Christie/Rubio ticket, but that won't happen. Maybe Jesse Ventura was right in wanting to move to Mexico.
Rick who?
I really doubt Mr. Flip-Flop Romney would even come close to beating Obama. The RNC didn't care for him the last election and I just can't see the repubs letting him run this time. Its that clut thing with Mr. Flip-Flop and with the mormon cult allowing more than one wife he could be in office a year or so and then decide to marry a few more women, maybe even the ones that Herman assulted. The republicans just aren't ready for a mormon with secret cult pledges running the country, it's amazing me that they are letting Cain go this far too, need I say more about how they feel about someone like Cain. Hence the reason they hate Obama so much and want him out of office. Its against all the repubs beliefs to allow these two guys run for president. They'll end up voting for Obama. I'm really starting to wonder what the repubs and tp's are up too this election. Maybe they are trying to keep the real candidate out of the spotlight for now and at the very end they'll slide Ron Paul or Santorum in the slot. Maybe they just don't want to give the dems enough time to dig up the truth on what their real candidate is like for now and this way the less known about him or her, people just might go in there and blind vote that person in? Its just not like the repubs to be letting these guys go on like they're really the candidates they want.
Gotta love Jesse Ventura - even if he did crack his head wide open every Friday night to earn a living.
In the sewer department the crews would say; your brown is our green. For Jesse; yours and his red was his green. The politicians just say; stick em up.
Santorum actually may be the dumbest of the Republican candidates, or at least running neck-and-neck with Bachmann, who's insane. Perry's a Li'l' Bush clone, Cain's a gasbag pig, Newt's dead, Huntsman's too housebroken for this crowd, and Romney does a swell imitation of a weather vane.
I grew up in a family that had been voting Republican since Lincoln, but most of us jumped ship when its backers started courting the Base -- the religious fanatics, the conspiracy theorists, the noisy, the toothless, the proudly uneducated.
The Democrats are pretty feeble, excelling too often at shooting themselves in both feet and both knees, but today's GOP? Gross. OG-LEE. Pathetic.
Melissa; that was the case for many of us growing up - once my parents got divorced, my mom came out of the closet as a liberal. I think there are millions of women who pretend to be conservatives only to spite their ogre husbands in the voting booth. I don't know how any woman over 55yo could be a conservative - not the way they treated women before civil rights came along.
Get rid of education? What planet are these TeaPublicans from?
No wonder the average Teapublican is an idiotic moron with probably 6th grade education!
Folks we cant have idiots in high office anymore, this is what's ruining this country.
When all you can think of is GUNS, WARS and HATRED; you have no place in the modern world....
Ewww, a rabid Rick Santorum would be frothing at the wrong end.
Help ! I can't remember what I had for breakfast.
As for people above posting about Cain. He could solve all of this if he allowed the Association to release all documents relating to the alleged incidents. Then it would be proved that either the women are liars, or that Cain is the liar.
As long as the numbnuts money keeps going to Perry...he'll keep bidding....badly! Chances of pulling off the nomination? Zilch! OH but the entertainment value IS priceless!
...why should they support something that they never had access to - a proper education?
GAFFE???? Are you kdding me?? Looked like a train wreck if ever I saw one!!
Rick doesn't even know what a gaffe is............."yeah they are spotted and really tall right!!""
Let's see..............I made some stuff up ......uhm..........dang can't remember what it was........!!!!
Uuuuhhmm................????????????????.............well............................uhm??????? ???????????????
blank stare......................uhm?????????????
I haven't forgotten my conservative values.................or how to get to ni*****head. It is deer season!!!
Don't want to pile up on the guy when he is already down -- but didn't Perry (like most everyone else on the stage) have notes? besides, notes or not -- should someone who has a certain position on an isue -- have some idea of their position of that issue? It is sad -- and is tewlling both about the quality of candidates out there -- and the judgment of the voters of the state of Texas. ..and sepaking of that... isn't calling for the sededing from the USA still considered treason? Did we learn nothing from how that worked out last time it was tried? _— Why do so many have something against being educated?
How would we tell the difference from the one we already have?
Seven stooges on stage to talk about nothing they know how to do, create jobs.. Watch the total BS from beginning to end, end regulations, lower taxes on the wealthy....didn't we have that back in 2008? Same crap different wrapper...
I'd have to agree to a certain extent Don, but anyone beats that crooked clown we have in the White House.
It's amazing how liberals profess to be so smart but can't see the obvious going on all around them.
See Brian's post above for some real "smart" observations regarding the DNC. This guy is a real gum shoe detective........Cain should hire him to run his media department....a real "out of the box" thinker.....next he'll blame E.T. for global warming....I'm tellin' you guys...he may look dumb but that's just a disguise.
Brian,
What, are you running for mayor of Troll Town? Cool, you have my vote.
I always love it when the GOP/tp clown car pulls into town.
It doesn't matter which dolt is nominated Obama is going to have a Cake-Walk to being re-elected thanks to the Ham-stringing , Just say No to everything , Let's make the Bush Tax-cuts permanent , No un-employment Benefits unless the Rich keep getting Tax-breaks , N Bunch.
Aside from Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman, all the other Republican candidates suck way more than Obama ever will. Jon's trailing behind by a lot, so it's up to Ron Paul to fix things. He's a breath of fresh air, after all.
Another swing and a miss Brian. Do you ever get tired of striking out? Give it up while you're only a little behind.
yeah Don and Obama created a lot of jobs , you must be one of the jerks that voted this clown in office. 66 million dumbasses put this know nothing in office.
They all have something Obama didn't have:
Executive experience.
Obama is hard left on his social issues, and he tries to make the Federal Government the ruler over State's Rights. He also seems to enjoy Federally prosecuting our enemies as if they were common criminals instead of the guerrillas that they are.
I have been mostly pleased with his military activities, or "kinetic foreign policy" if you wish. I am disgusted by his kowtowing to our enemies while humiliating and disrespecting our friends.
I also wish he'd take his shoe off of the throat of Free Enterprise. Obama has been bad for business; the stock market did indeed start to tank during the final few months of GWB, but it was market reaction to the fait accompli of Obama's nomination and subsequent victory in the general election.
Ahhh the liberals all ganging up on me. I feel so alone and rejected. The same liberals that support a crook in the White House. The same liberals that know nothing of the constitution and support a president that wants to eliminate it. The very same liberals that think they are sooooo smart, but don't even see what is happening to our government, the debt, the amount of graft occuring from the person they support with all their little hearts. Explain to me why Obama told the DOJ to bugger off when they requested the paperwork on Solyndra? I'm really interested in hearing your version of how Obama is going to have the most transparent White House ever....
the stooge is Obama.wake up stop drinking coolaid.He has a record to run on and his record sucks.The vote will be against the stooge in the white house.His words are meaning less now actions speek louder then words and he has no actions.
Go easy on Brian, boys. He's butt-hurt from last nights elections. Notice his "l-l-l-lliberals-l-l-liberals-l-l-liberals! O-o-o-Baaama-o-o-Baaama-o-o-Baaama! sob!" rants? Poor little guy...
But that is the Reichtie motto.....Lower Taxes, Deregulation and so forth.......
Although there are two people on that stage that are in Gov. right now...Ron Paul and Rick Perry...Both are hypocrits!!!!!
Both get paid by the Taxpayer get their free healthcare, although, the mental minions of Ron Paul will tell you different....But, all one has to do is go to Opensecrets.org and look.....
I wish someone would ask Mr. Secessionist Perry why he is running for president considering he has threaten to secede from the Union....According to the Reichtie book that would be un-american now wouldn't it?....So why is he running for president?
The last time Ron Paul ran for president back in 2008 he got 6 million from his mental minions and then dropped out of sight went back to his district and ran for his seat......But his minions will use the lame phrase of " oh the media and everyone ignores him"....Not really!!!!
Let me see: He gets paid by the Taxpayer, free healthcare and when he retires he will get a pension all courtesy of the Taxpayer....But his mental minions will tell you different........
This is a Reichtie whom doesn't like Taxes believes in the free market, yet, gets the benefits of a Politician from the Taxpayer.....
BrianB: Maybe he told them to bugger off for the same reason your Bush told them to bugger off about 3 or 4 times. Or was that different? You sound like a fool trying to make sense.
So Don, what is the solution???
Make the top 10% who pay 80% pay more while 50% pay nothing and the middle 40% of income earners pay 20% (80% + 20% = 100% for post-1975 high school grads).
Ever think what would happen if the 10% decided to just Occupy Their Homes, close their businesses, go on vacation and let the rest of us solve the issues? No food coming in, no electricity, natural gas, no gasoline...
OWS forgets (well, most have no clue) that all union pensions, teachers, firefighters, police, 401k's - all these pensions are handled through WALL STREET! You want to destroy WS? Then kiss these pensions good-bye - they are going away anyway as most pensioners aren't paying in ANYTHING! We the people are paying these pensions! Well, the top 10% + 40% are.
Don't like whats going on? Go protest Congress!!!
So, when did one person's earnings become another person's income???? That is called communism. A short visit to eastern Europe and conversation with those recently liberated people will convince most people that is no way to live.
Redistribution of wealth has ALWAYS come out of class warfare which if not checked leads to real warfare.
Brianb I bet you supported that moron before Obama for 8 years while he engineered this whole sh**storm we're drenched in now didn't you? And now you're so full of righteous outrage as you blame all the problems Bush engineered on the black guy.
What a predictable simpleton.
The establishment is scared of Ron Paul because he represents the resistance to world government. All you neo-cons and liberals need to wake up and take a look what is happening in Europe because soon we will face a DECISION; bow to the will of international bankers and lose American sovereignty or else the markets will collapse. Ron Paul is the only one who predicted this mess and he is the reason there are so many ridiculous distractions in the GOP field right now. The last thing the establishment wants is people voting on issues that actually affect Americans like our foreign and monetary policies. All you people ready to tell me to put on my tin foil hat need to ask yourself which candidate will actually end the wars. There is only one, Ron Paul; vote for him and he will end the wars. The rest of these candidates live in make-believe land where monetary policy isn't the single biggest threat to national security.
Dangerous Mind - if you made that bet, you'd lose. I'll bet you are the type that thinks Obama does no wrong. All his decisions are above board and he has the best interests of this country in mind. I'll bet you are all in with his agenda, even if it was born in his years at Columbia University studying under Clower and Pivens. I know, probably speaking Greek to you but that wouldn't surprise me either. Maybe it's time to do a little studying into Obama's background.
Don ... Someone much more intelligent than I once said "You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd."
I wish Ron Paul wouldn't debase himself with that group, he needs a new crowd
joejibblets --
Good for you Joe. Whether your choice is good or bad, it is, definitely, real change.
Do not give me paltry words that mean nothing to the present speaker of them. Any man who changes the meanings of words to appeal to the lower mentality and poorer education of some voters can not show me a "sign on the line" and expect my signature.
Check Occam's Razor for guidance in the matter of selecting of our next President...and don't forget to pray a lot.
Phil, if Third Parties weren't alienated out of our two Party system BY LAW (ballot access is purposefully made difficult, they can't get into the debates, etc.) I'd agree. The DemoCrips certainly aren't going to run a Primary against Obama, although they should as he betrays them at every turn with warmongering and pro-torture, let alone increasing the armed conflicts from 3 to 7. The RepubliBloods suck too, with their support for Cain even though he didn't know that China HAS nukes and thought they were "attempting to develop" them and even though he said 2 days before the collapse of the economy in 2008 that the media made up the "imaginary recession"...but unfortunately 3rd Paries are barred from competing with the machine. So, this is Ron Paul's best shot, and our country's best shot at someone not bought and sold already.
If the Republicans don't nominate him, they will lose my and many others vote though to 3rd Parties. We vote principles, not Party. And so, they will lose to Obama while we split the vote...and they will ikely still not learn. The only way the Republicans can win is to solidify it's voters, by nominating Ron Paul. Plus, Ron wopuld DESTROY Obama in debates on economics and foreign policy.
I like how they support Cain and his utter ignorance on foreign policy, and yet accuse Ron Paul of something similar in his foreign policy views...lol. Who is ignorant exactly? We all know the answer to that if we bother to research the subject.
OMG...I don't know whether to laugh or cry at these debates! It's hard to think there could be a more pathetic group of people standing in one room who think they know what is good for the American people, i.e. them, than these clowns. It's hard to believe....really....
I propose we extend the Presidential term of office to 6 years, but at the same time limit the President to one term. That way the President has the time it takes to make his impact, and doesn't have to worry about re-election in his first term. I think a President might take the job more seriously if he wasn't focused on jockeying for a second term.
Sorry, I cannot take Rick Perry seriously, ever, after watching that Bad Lip Reading video on YouTube.
you know, if Ron Paul teamed up with Governor Rick Scott of Florida, that would be interesting, indeed
...two extraterrestrials on the same ticket would be a first in politics
brianb it's pretty cool to sit alone in your room with computer to keep you company. Did you get tired of porn and needed something to vent about.
America does need another "Itern" at the helm, as President of the United States. We've had enough of the apologies, and missteps of bad judgement.
This guy is "goofy"; not too bright in the brain intelligence department.
So, then, following your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, you clearly MUST credit President Obama and his fiscal policies (including TARP, the stimulus, the auto bailout, & the Dodd-Frank bill, which imposed stricter regulations on Wall Street) for preventing the economic collapse of 2008 from becoming a full-blown depression, for reversing the pattern of increasing job loss during the last several months of the Bush administration, and for the impressive turn-around of the markets.
It is a FACT that when the markets opened on the day President Obama was inaugurated, the DOW stood at 7,949. Although the market is still extremely volatile (largely due to uncertainty about economies in the Eurozone), throughout much of the past several months, the DOW has been at or above 12,000 (at this moment it is at 11,898). In other words, less than three years into President Obama's FIRST term (yes, there WILL be a second!) the DOW has regained much of the ground lost as a result of the Bush-Republican recession, having improved nearly 50% since Mr. Obama took office.
Granted there are still FAR too many people out of work in this country and the economy has not grown as quickly as we would like or fully recovered. But despite what republi-CONS would have us to believe, President Obama DID NOT make things worse. In fact, quite the contrary is true. Without question, much remains to be done and if the American people will wake up and get rid of obstructionists like Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, and their extremist Tea Party colleagues, I have no doubt President Obama's leadership in fixing our economy will be as successful as his foreign policy efforts have been!
Sorry -- duplicate post.
Herman is ok in the primary erection,its the genital election that is going to cause him problums...darn smellchek aint werkin
Holy cats cowboy17, that is so inappropriate, and so damned funny.
Cowboy -
LOLOLOL
Awesome!
Are you saying he's a 'Weiner'?
Thanks- needed a good laugh tonite
That is funny!!!!
I was getting so angry...until Cowboy17 put it into the proper perspective for me...Thanks Cowboy!
His name is Richard!!
Democrats never ,I mean never answer questions in any direct way. Obama takes 5minutes to get around to answering any question on a good day. So don't try to paint Republicans as evasive in any way. I hope to hear something good from Michele Bachman. I hope she does well.
Rethuglicanls aren't evasive - they're plain as day - they're for rich and screw the rest of us. End of story.
And you liberals keep on thinking that way for what you say means that the republicans are all for democrats, since they have more money than republicans. You should be proud that the republicans want to keep democrats rich. Why do you have such a problem with that?
Brianb-#####, did you read what you posted? I wouldn't respond if I were you.
*Go-Robert*
It's called the audacity hope...Some canidates give very quick and simplistic answers because they don't ready have an intelligent solution to your prpblems, let alone the country as a whole. But this is America, so you don't really have to be qualified to run for office of the president...
Why do you think Buchman is not able to appeal to main street americans??? She is out of touch with the main stream. Let's just say, she is a type of politically exotic fruit or nuts...
I sympathize with you, Robert. It is really hard for Democrats to dumb it down so far that a rank and file Republican can grasp a concept.
wow, don't you partisan people ever get tired of all this back and forth talking points nonsense? Its exhausting just to read it. Slightly entertaining. I would rather read real debate though.
Robert, maybe if Rick Perry were to actually THINK before he answered, he wouldn't stick his cowboy boot down his throat every time he speaks. Personally, I'd rather have a President who thinks BEFORE he speaks.
But then, I'm one of those liberals, I guess.
Plenty of people in Texas say that Perry is ALL HAT & NO CATTLE, last night he proved his hat is too big for his brain & that there is plenty of room in that hat for his brain to bounce around in, quite chaotically obviously !
I missed it! Did Romney mess with Texas? Where did he touch him this time?
Perry tried to mess with Ron Paul (both from Texas) and totally showed Ron Paul is kryptonite to fake conservatives...lol.
The debate: job killing regulations, although none will be specified. free market economy, although no such thing has ever existed. common sense approach, but no explanation of what that is. Shared sacrifice, the sacrifice is to be evenly distributed between everyone except the top 2%, the top 2% will feel your pain. cut corporate taxes, which I assume means the rest of us will have to pay them to operate since many don't pay taxes currently, I could go on but that will be the jest of the tired regurgitated failed polices that the esteemed candidates will spew forth, the best we can hope for is Bauchman to show up un-medicated and go nuts on mitt, I have long suspected his hair to be one solid mass, maybe Michelle will knock it off and we can all see the damage caused by it hitting the stage, hopefully a twelve pack will get me to the end.
I can specify hundreds of "job killing" regulations by myself. It takes like Freshman year of High School mental abilities to start rattling them off. What you have is a philosophy that creates dogma, and that dogma creates a block mentally preventing you from seeing the sense in regulation killing jobs as cause and effect.
You do realize, when a business is taxed, they lose profits that could be used for expansion, right? You do realize THEY don't pay those taxes, they just raise prices on their products to consumers who indirectly pay those taxes, right? You do realize that mandates to do things (regulation) that isn't justified by previous bad behavior is tyranny, right? You do realize that those regulations cost money to comply with, that could be used to expand those businesses and hire people, right?
No you don't realize that, as you don't understand economics a lick, nor do you run a business or hire anyone.
You do understand that corporations avoid taxes by hiring and capital investment. Profits are not used for investment, profits are used for excessive bonuses and to pay shareholders. Low taxes on profits is an incentive to take money out of a business. High taxes is an incentive to leave money in a business - that is about as basic as economics get
Pro - As for regulations. They very often cost money which is borne by the consumer in the end, absolutely you are right on this - so how do they kill jobs since the consumer pays for them anyway? And besides they should be there to protect all parties. Given no rules (regulations as you call them) we would have lead painted toys for children, non=swimmable ponds, rivers and lakes, unbreathable air etc. In actuality regulations create jobs. The company I worked for in the 60's (pre regulations) dumped all their chemical waste into the groundwater. The regulations that stopped that created whole new classes of industry as well as thousands of jobs. Are there excessive regulations, absolutely, usually influenced in by larger companies to kill smaller competition.
During the economic collapse a few years ago. Alan Greenspan said he was shocked and surprised how many business leaders put their companies at risk for short term personal gain, and that greed was so prevalent - Are you kidding me? The world is full of scammers, ripoffs, sharks and charlatans. Many of them with degrees from Harvard, Yale etc
w bush, I think your on to something with Michelle Bachmann giving it to Mr. Flip-Flop Romney right on stage. I'm thinking she just might pose for Playboy here very shortly to raise her standings in the polls. Naturally very tastefully done and I'm sure a lot of air brushing too. Oh yeah while I'm here, ProIndividual, one more time what "job killing" regulations other than the tp's and repubs saying NO" to everything brought up to the congress and senate? Help me out a little with that? If your going on about the temporary lowered taxes and tax breaks on the rich that Gw passed because it was suppose to create jobs, well then your going to have to rattle off some other ones from the hundreds of them that you seem to think are taking place right now. I also believe that President Obama has passed tax breaks for companies that hire on American soil and even more tax breaks to the companies that hire vets, plus other ones too. Your not talking about those "job killing" reguations are you? ProIndividual, if you could hep me out with this, I'd be grateful, you can see I'm confused.
JoeInd....
Please do list the "hundreds" of job killing regulations that any freshmen can .... Please include the Hows, Whys and potential jobs these would create.
Waiting......
Waiting
Republicans are toast. Pure and simple. Obama 2012.
Kevin Milw, it just seems to me like the repubs and tp's don't want to get any jobs going right now and they don't want to invest into anykind of future for this country right now either. I would think they would get jobs going a yr. ago if they had a serious interest in the country instead of their party. Then just maybe they would sit down and think about this countries future and invest in schooling for it. I do believe that works and well nothing? Why nothing? Well its because the longer they keep the country in this vulnerable state its in right now the more the middle class and poor have to use their savings to make ends meet and thats what boggles my mind, its not good for anything other than people having to take jobs later on for minimum wage and accept them because they would put food on the table for their families. They just need voted out, I would think everyone sees what kind of people we're dealing with here right now. Greedy, selfish, disgusting human beings. Nothing more. Democrats in 2012 if peoole don't want to see this country fall into the gutter and never get out.
Hmm, Bush cut taxes for the rich and killed regulation for eight years, ending in economic collapse. The repuglican solution is more of the same. If it Doesn't Work, Don't Do It Again! Sheesh.
Real smart Jim Moo cow the democrats do the same old stupid things and except to get a diffrent out come, real educated idiots. When Bush run the country a lot more of us had jobs and things were a lot cheaper esp gas, and this guy cant do a thing about the price of gas because the enviromentalist lick his a@@ and he likes it.
wayne: Maybe you don't remember when gas was over $4 a gallon when Bush was in office. And maybe you don't remember when we were losing over 700,000 jobs a month when Bush was still president. Do you have a short or selective memory?
Too much gagnja..
So I see you don't study economics much...the collapse was DIRECTLY caused by the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates artifically low and money supply (M1) artifically high, leading to inflation, over-extended credit, and malinvestiment (a bubble). This bubble had to pop as the markets try to clear (level). When it popped, we blew it back up with bailouts, stimulus, and continued printing (whether literally or digitally) of money and continued interest rates at too low of a level.
Any government created bubble must pop eventually...it's like the law of physics where what goes up must come down (gravity).
The fact you think the economy failed because of a tiny period of time's (8 years is nothing in terms of economics, heck it works in 60 year K cycles) deregulation (hich isn't even true, he added thousands of pages of regulation and removed only hundreds) and tax cuts (right, like nonproductive government, with all it's inefficiencies, can possibly spend extorted capital better than those that generated that capital in the markets) just shows your utter lack of education and understanding of how the economy works, and what caused it's collapse.
You'll notice, Obama did NOT predict the collapse of the economy a day before it happened, or even 30 years before it happened....Ron Paul did. Detail for scary detail.
No other candidate predicted the collapse in 2008 or not in this election cycle. Why?
Because only on candidate, Ron Paul, actually understands economics in the least. Your disagreement is your failing of understanding, and those you listen to, not his.
I'm a liberal Democrat and Ron Paul is the only Republican that makes any sense whatso ever.
I have a ton of respect for him and Bernie Sanders who forced the Fed into it's only audit ever.
People we should be asking our government what happened to the trillions of dollars that are missing.
I am a liberal Democrat also and the only republican that makes ANY sense to me is Huntsman. He's way too far right for me but at least has an intellect. The fact that the repubs all but ignore him speaks volumes about their lack of intellect.
I hated Cain before the harrassment scandal broke. And not because he's black. I hate him for his stupidity.
Perry is as bats**t as Bachmann.
Romney is a spoiled little child who wants nothing more than to be the first Mormon president.
When you are a one trick pony, such as the minor political party is, what else would one expect but for them to continue to run in the tiny circle that they have created for themselves ?
After all, when they have stated publicly, " Logic is just a tool that Liberals use to win arguments" & "Science is just theory not fact" it sort of give those with more than a 6th grade education a BIG CLUE that the opposition isn't much to worry about because they have so little to worry with, pea size brains are seldom a threat !
This is simply incorrect. For one thing, inflation has not risen above 5% in nearly 30 years, cyclical economic trends notwithstanding. What also did happen in that time frame was the repeal of Glass-Steagall, regulations preventing commercial banks from speculating on business investment, along with the introduction of commodities trading deregulation allowing derivatives to be traded virtually without regulation or any oversight whatsoever, and with insane levels of leverage.
As a result, financial institutions began to bundle cash flow instruments like collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) based on combinations of prime and sub-prime mortgage notes and convinced the ratings agencies to rate them as triple-A investments. Of course the ratings agencies like S&P, Fitch, and Moody's primary source of income were those same financial institutions and the demise of regulations prevented anyone or anything from stopping this level of conflict of interest and outright fraud. Insurance outfits like AIG chimed in with "credit default swaps" which were nothing more than insurance polices on the fraudulent CDOs but without the regulatory cash reserves that would have been required for real insurance. The result was a $65 trillion speculation bubble, very similar to 1929, but ten times the size.
The collapse was caused by deregulation.
Please stop talking down to people about economics. You don't know what you're talking about.
By the way, predicting the eventual collapse of the speculative bubble caused by an unregulated derivatives market was not that big of a challenge. It was inevitable.
now they are after cain and for good reason. next, i'm sure these cannibals will go after romney big-time. suddenly, you can expect his religion to enter the debate. just wait to see how he handles the 'magic underpants' question.
this group of sorry-asses brings new meaning to the term 'confederacy of dunces'.
All the while grasspress, Obama refuses to provide the documentation the DOJ wanted on Solyndra. Fast and Furious is now just getting started and that liar Holder denied any knowledge of it. The Obama administration is as crooked as they get but yet liberals keep on holding onto his pantlegs begging for more.
Brianb-#####, I sense your frustration, it's tough when you realize that the political party you have been vigorously defending is a hoax, my condolences, take deep breathes, the pain and embarrassment will pass.
I think it is interesting that the Michigan House republicans were all not in favor of the the Chrysler and GM bailouts. All of them lots 'splaining to to do to Michiganders.
Actually Obama is not that much better. The whole lot needs to go. They're all in the pocket of the banks, MIC, big-oil, big-pharma.
let's see this article is about the eight republicans debating and who will screw the other one. But idiots like Brian, and his kind, keep bringing Obama into the picture. I'm confused: is Obama going to be in the debate today? What has Obama got to do with these eight wanna-bees going after each other?
I think Brian and these other one track minded minions are incapable of more than one thought. Thus, the needle is stuck on Obama and no matter what the subject, that's the only thing that comes out their worm-hole. How sad is that??? And to think, these one-track minded minions are allowed to vote…… Actually, that may be a good thing for Obama. Since these clowns can only think of Obama, they'll probably vote for him because, subconsciously, Obama is what rules their world!!
Obama's screwed everything up... its inevitable his name would come up!
Confused - (that doesn't surprise me)... Let me explain it to you in plain english. These are public boards. The counter argument to what the topic is, is Obama. You do know what a counter argument is, don't you? Maybe not since you are confused. The republican debates are being challenged on this board. Since that is the case, and the liberals have more fun doing that, my counter argument is bringing up Obama since he will debate no one in the primaries. Are you with me so far, or do I need to explain it a little more. I wouldn't want to add to your confusion since you appear that way already. If you have any questions, please feel free to jot them down and I will address them in simpler language.
Uh,confused... since Obama is the president, you should be more respectful of how you shy away from discussing him. It sounds to me like you are almost ashamed of him in your diatribe. I have no problem discussing the man. Be it his wrongs, or his wrongs, discussing them openly and freely is my right as a citizen. If you don't like it, you can ignore it. Since you can't ignore it, and have to make comments about my comments, without any defense of his actions, by the way, it appears as though you have little confidence in him as leader of the free world. If you had confidence in him, you would be defending him vigorously... I don't see any of that in your comments... you only make comments about my comments... meaning you have nothing good to say about Obama either. Sounds to me like you are nothing but a political hack, incapable of expressing any positive about my negative. I hope I added to your confusion.
lol... see what a University of Phoenix degree in remedial English will get ya? A superiority complex with absolutely nothing to back it up. "OoooooBaaaama! Waaa!" ;)
BrianB, why are you so hard-headed and stubborn over nothing? Everyone here CLEARLY understands that you hate liberals and Obama, HOWEVER, none of that is necessary in a DISCUSSION (notice I didn't say "rant") about REPUBLICANS at their GOP debate.
"you only make comments about my comments... meaning you have nothing good to say about Obama either."
WTF, that's not even a valid argument!
Probably the same feeling as when people realize religion is a hoax...
Brianb - The article is about Rick Parry's inability to complete an English sentence. Nothing Obama releases about Solyndra is going to save Rick from the consequences of being an idiot.
What a collection of clowns. What does GOP stand for anyway, Goofy Old Politicians?
I am sorry. But voting for someone who is Mormon is just wrong!!! Everyone pretty much knows that the story of the "white man" being the first "native americans" is just plain BS.
You can disagree with a persons religion, but religion is not a reason to vote or not vote for someone. Do you realize this is incredibly racist? You can say you won't vote for him because you don't believe in his morals, values, etc, but just because you don't believe in a story he believes in is completely ridiculous. I don't beleive in Obama's religion, guess he shouldn't be president. I guess people who are atheists should not vote for anyone who has religion then right?
The First Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The prohibition against “an establishment of religion” was intended to separate churches and government, to prevent a national church of the kind still found in Europe at the time.
In this country we are blessed with the freedom of religion. Anytime you want to give up your freedom to believe what you want, you can attack someone else (i.e. Romney) for his beliefs. Until then, vote for whomever you want, but don't preach to people that we should all be racist against someone because of his religion. Thank goodness we are not forced to believe the same thing, that is what makes us free and how our country came to be in the first place. Please don't be so ignorant.
I have one major problem with the LDS religion. There is no transparency in the church. Want to know what the church does with its donated money? Members don't have a right to know. Want to know what goes on in the temple before you join? Sorry, the church won't give you that information either. Heard of baptism for the dead? You may not like the mormon church now, but good news, you'll like it when you're dead.
My disabled neighbor was an LDS member and faithfully paid 10% of her income to the church. When she had troubles making ends meet, she asked her bishop (similar to a lay pastor) for help. She was told the church has no money to help her. She said very loudly so other members could hear, "What happened to all the tithing money I paid?" She was escorted out of the building. She got help from food stamps and welfare, and the church wanted 10% of that. She left the church soon after that.
I find the whole mormon secretive temple thing just creepy. I wish I was ignorant.
w bush, I was thinking the same thing with regards to brianb. Thanks for putting it into words for me.
With regards to you guys trippping out about the Mormon church, let me enlighten you as I was raised in the church as a kid but haven't attended since I left home. This gives me a unique perspective.
Mormons on the whole are pretty decent people. You won't dig up sexual harrassment scandals on Romney or Huntsman. However, (and this is especially true of those who were born into the church), they are pretty brainwashed. They are not told the whole truth about Joseph Smith and who he was. Everything is very sugarcoated. When asked the reasons why black people were not allowed to hold the priesthood until recently, the answers are also very vague and sugarcoated. Apparently, God only recently decided to become politically correct. Mormons are also very exclusive. Rarely do they have friends who are not Mormons and rarely do they marry outside of the church. Many Christian religions are pretty tolerant of each other and seem to have an attitude that it's okay as long as you are Christian and born again. Mormons do not believe this and do not recognize any other faith as being legitimate.
The thing is I would never vote for a Mormon. The fact that most are republicans tells me that I did the right thing leaving the church. The fact that they have been brainwashed to believe BS stories has in my opinion made them unable to tell truth from fiction. Most attend BYU or Ricks College and NEVER learn anything that would de-rail the Mormon teachings. This perpetuates ignorance and narrowmindedness.
Mormons believe that the Native Americans are Middle Eastern in origin. So it says in the Book of Mormon. However, God forgot to tell Joseph Smith that some day, DNA testing would be invented. Different Native American groups have been DNA tested and shown to be more genetically compatible with people of Asian decent, thus proving the whole scientific Land Bridge theroy and totally debunking the Mormon theroy. So, as you can see people, the Mormon church is the fabrication of a typical cult leader and none of their crap came from "God". The fact that otherwise intelligent men like Romney and Huntsman can't intellectualize this is what makes people doubt their ability to lead a nation where it's okay to believe in God but it is also okay not to .
No Streaming.. SUCK! Â c'mon!
Breaking News:
Herman Cain is supposed to unveil his new campaign slogan this evening, "I am Herman Cain and I have never done anything wrong, will never do anything wrong, because I can't ever be wrong."
Need to augment that.
Hey Herman, can I have my pizza with extra cheeze??
More like "Herman Cain. We'll get an answer to you in 15 minutes or less, right or wrong or your next scandal is free..."
trail by public opinon wow we have come a long way.
Sounds like he's quoting Clinton!
The modreator asks Huntsman about the "well lubricated weather vane" comment he made....and Herman yells,I thought we weren't going to bring this up !!! Excuuse me...Exxxcuuuse me !!!
Cain thought they were talking about something else "well lubricated"
Bachman thought they were talking about the leftist "weather underground"
Perry thought they were talking about oil wells being lubricated.
Paul was wondering if weather vanes were some sort of socialist plot.
Santorum thought it was something obscene.
Romney thought it was an unfair attack, he doesn't think he's vain at all.
LOL @ Romney & Cain.
Seriously, you ass clowns couldn't figure out how to stream the debate????? Just WOW. People actually come to you for news and information????
We Want blood. We demand a free and open debate, not this scripted "hide the sins of Cain' junk.
Oh well, I was plannig to watch a French film but my girfriend is crazy about the circus, so we'll watch the Repugnican debate.
C'est la vie!
Here we go. Another episode of the Tell Some Lies Tour 2012.
Does anyone really think these clowns could fix anything they have broken over the last 42 years? Does anyone think they would want to fix things? After all, they DID engineer our economy and society to look just like it does - the rich getting richer and the rest of us paying for it.
My European friends refer to the gopers as a mime troupe without an invisible box. I think of them as the Keystone Kops. Either way they ain't nothing but a bad farce.
we have to fix the mess or were the next greece and no one will bail use out.
Keystone cops? Really? They've robbed us all blind for decades, and we keep returning them to office. Who are the morons here?
Jerry - you nailed it - both parties suck and the leaders, regardless of the destruction they have done to our nation keep getting re-elected - the fix is in
Are you ass clowns seriously not streaming the debate????? Just DAMN.....
Best system money can buy and that is the problem. These debates are a joke. Follow the money and when in office what they say does not happen so just a game is my guy won like a sporting event. Media just makes millions, give the debates to Woman Group again so we can have a third party candidate not this controlled crap by corporate owned debates now. Me, I ain't voting for this crap. No one is going to solve jobs since any new innovation like MicroSoft or Apple and phones etc all get manufactured using slave labor abusing people in Communist countries. I guess multinationals could care less about Communism after all when it comes to making a buck. NO different when they sold products to Hitler for profits. Just what are our kids fighting for and no jobs when many come back. Make me sick to say I live in USA anymore.
Skypilot- Then why don't you get the hell out! You are just another example of a people that has forgotten what it means and what it costs to be FREE because it was handed to you. Like a son taking over his fathers business and runs it into the ground because he doesn't appreciate what he's been given, you have no idea what has been sacraficed for you to be able to post your pathetic wining. We have elected professional politicans that know nothing about business because they never created a job in their lives, and our economy is paying for it. I wouldnt let an electrician perform surgery on me, and I would not expect a community organizer to have a clue how to produce jobs. The real problem is that he doesn't listen at all to the advice given to him from the private sector. You complain about companies going oversees but you fail to see why they makes those choices. Less regulation and less taxes. If you make the enviroment business freindly, they would gladly come back. Business is not the enemy, and you can not blame them for trying to make their business more profitable. If you started a company and your product could be produced for 5$ here and 50 cents in china, I guarantee you would move manufacturing to china. If you dont youre a moron. So, make it more expensive. Tax anything not made in this country at such a rate that it would be stupid not to just make it here, and only then will manufacturing come back, and with it the strength of the middle class.
Perry is blasted again. B O R I N G
Brianb-999431..Stupid comment,Ditto Head...
Give us someone we can believe in, please. Does Gene Wilder have the keys to President Regan's crypt?
Reagan would be a democrat today based on his policies.
I'm with you on that one! Give us someone we can believe in...
This is a huge responsibility! Heck, you can't even get into an HR Department without being completely devoid of personality. Strictly business. What about someone who wants to run for city council -- you bet your behind that anyone with a sordid past is going to be put on the carpet.
The Presidency is defined as: 1) The Executive Branch; and, 2) Leader of the Militia (military), Ambassador to & Protector of (our borders). Our country.
He/She hasn't got the ability to control all of what goes on; he/she can ONLY: watch over and protect us from harm (through engaging/directing the militia); and, veto laws that (may) harm us.
Obama is correct in wanting to minimize/rid of this circus we (allow to continue) call bi-partisanship. Democrats and Republicans! They shouldn't even exist! They aren't written into our Constitution.
AND furthermore, doesn't anyone also believe that: A) Presidential campaigns should be 'free' and equal -- i.e., EQUAL coverage -- for whomever decides to run for President.
What do you say to that? It's a grand idea.
Why should we allow the mudslinging to continue; the lobbyists and special interest groups -- to force us to eat crumbs!! as someone commented (for this article regarding the DEBATE last night).
WE THE PEOPLE are allowing them to continue. There have got to be citizens you respect -- AND TRUST -- that you can actually vote for, and feel confident that they'll be able to handle the Office of the President of the United States of America.
Yes! Bring us someone we can believe in. I still think Obama has the right ideas; he's a great statesman -- which I believe is 'required' demeanor & decorum for someone of this stature. Maybe all he needs is another term!?! Most Prezes need two terms to solidify ANYTHING!
You can't expect change until you look at what's being done WRONG. And that wrong is: Dems., Repubs., the media, and the lobbyists/special interest groups -- AND BIG GREEDY Capitalistic Profiteering Corporations. The almighty shareholders are whom they serve -- not WE THE PEOPLE. If you want things to be FAIR, then do something about it. Refuse to vote until they REMOVE the electoral system -- they're keeping track of your votes/how you vote/etc. -- anyway! Seriously, why do you get mail from a particular party in your postal mail? Huh?
Sheer votes - clean win by any candidate who runs -- not this points-for-region/state/representation stuff.
I'd like to see the real candidates get the same REAL COVERAGE as the dems and the repubs...they at least know what's up and read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights...they know what and how to help run the U.S.A. better. Give 'em equal time, please. They don't have the $$ !!!! nor the endorsements everyone seems to think a candidate needs. That's not (equal) FAIR to the American people.
(Why do you think the candidates you see on 'TV' etc., GET endorsements in the first place? Do you think it's because the tail is wagging the dog?)
...that the things that get done/not done -- are serving the greedy purposes of a few...(like insurance cos., pharmaceutical cos., the advertisement industry, the real estate industry, the organized sports industry (we can hardly afford to attend games! anymore -- think about THAT one a moment), some barristers, financial institutions, etc.) So much for baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet! Ole!
What about the Tea Party? Who put a stop to their ideals? And aren't they trying to quelch the Wall Street protesters? Heh, there!! Wake up!! It's our RIGHT and our DUTY!! H-E-L-L-O! Read your Constitution and Bill of Rights. Who even knows about Libertarians or Greens or Independents? Why don't we hear about any of those candidates? Maybe there aren't any ! DUH ! now, because they NEVER get equal coverage; they hardly EVER win; AND they never have the $$$$$ nor the endorsements....blah, blah, blah, and yah-dee-dah
God Bless America, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Revenge is mine, sayeth the Lord. (OH my Gosh! I forgot. We're not supposed to mention THAT. Our Forefathers never meant for this to happen -- they must be turning over in their graves!)
Thank you. At least I still tear-up when I hear the Star Spangled Banner. Do you?
newt reminds me of the old bitch who comes to work and takes more time complaining about everything and everybody...and forgets to do his job
Oh no, that sounds like sexual harasment, Hope it doesn't come back to ram you in the sphinkter 20 years from now. Ok, maybe I do !!!!! Dumbass....
MSNBC anchors can't even handle a presidential debate properly. They're showing the whole world why MSNBC is at the bottom of the ratings game.
its MSLSD now but some people dont get it and some people never willl
think it was CNBC if you wanna jump on 'em... I thought the CNN debate was worse - made all those crappy reality shows look sane!
So the small can of GOP Candidates that cannot muster the support of the Conservative voters watching the debates is not the problem...IT'S THE MEDIA ?
The absolutely funny thing is that every Conservative would do away with the MSM for the chance to be served by a single news source, like TASS. The "Freedom" you narrow minded people seek can be found in every Dictatorship in the world... when are you leaving for your wet dream & can I help hurry you along with a loan ?
Pack it up
Pack it in
It's over for the Republicans
I'm telling everyone I know to vote against these fascistsÂ
This poor excuse for democracy that pledges allegiance to corporations and NOT the people
The G in GOP should stand for Gestapo
Hey, deep thinker, without corporations who would have jobs?
He hasn't thought into the subject that far, "tx".
Gestapo? As in Soviet Secret Service? A product of socialism that Mr. Obama is so fond of???? You are a smart one aren't you Joe??? DUMBASS
Um dude, you are thinking of the Nazi secret police - the Soviets had the NKVD. If Obama is so fond of socialism then why does he support corporate bailouts? Think before you post.
More of this table scrap mentality from people like txrbt-3516720...the thinking apparently goes something like this....if we give them enough tax breaks, if we clean off the table of regulations and let them go amuck...maybe we can get some of the table scraps that come off the table.
Ill wait till the people vote.
"Gestapo" as in Fascist enforcers. The Soviet enforcers were the KGB. Dumbass
What actual evidence do you have of President Obama being "fond of socialism"? No, wild unsubstantiated rumors and Newscorp insults don't count. The political views of former neighbors don't count, either. Cue crickets....
Fact is, President Obama hasn't done anything "socialist", the auto company bailout was started before he came into office, and Obama has been systematically selling off the Government shares with the goal of fully "privatizing" GM before he leaves office. Even the so-called "Obamacare" isn't the least bit "socialist", that law will not have the Government taking over any hospitals, clinics, doctors, pharmacies, drug companies, medical providers, or insurance companies. All it does is regulate - a major function of the US government since its founding.
obama care will mandateite people to buy health care hugh slippery slop.
But fortunately "Obama care" will not require you to be literate Dave. If you can't spell, or put a coherent sentence together it will still provide you coverage. In fact you can probably use a thumb and an ink pad.
Just to reinforce CM-6969's comments...
Gestapo is German and short for 'Geheimen Staatspolizei', which translated to English is 'Secret State Police'. This organization was created under Hitler's regime to enforce fascism.
In any event, I hope that the next president is someone that can bring both parties together. Compromise seems a lot better than the extreme left or right.
The Gestapo was the secret state police in NAZI Germany to enforce NAZISM, meaning National Socialism.
Exactly the same thing the NKVD was formed to do, enforce Marxist Socialism.
Neither of these forms of government have anything to do with Fascism.
Since you all have missed this most basic ability to recognize different forms and philosophies of competing governments, I think you all should go back and review high school history, or maybe even your local college's political history courses. You are all in need of some education.
Of course this is not surprising given this is newsvine...... Pretty typical of most posters on here.
@Egilman
Nazism was absolutely a fascist idealogy. You are fooled by the name they gave themselves, rather than their actions.
The people who DEPEND on OTHERS to provide them with employment are the bottom of the barrel workers, Do like I did and EMPLOY YOURSELF, start a business, locate the clients and serve them what they demand & charge them for your creativity, labor & materials !
If you are so under equipped or disorganized that you cannot work for yourself, you deserve to work for someone else .
With dependence on Corporations for employment, America is stripped of it entrepreneurialism & it's workers dumbed down to the level of the smallest common denominator.... a small replaceable part.
Since the Reagan admin. we have as a country, become a nation of sheep in search of a leader, now the tide is turning WE WANT TO DRIVE THE DEBATE... those elected in the past have FAILED this country in the worst ways possible, Tuesday's elections proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Extremism is the shelter of extremists, where we are headed today is rationalism & there is no quarter for extremists in rational debate or in a rational American future.
Cain must have been good at groping women . He can probable get a job at the airport with the TSA.
Needs to join their union, first.
Cain was federal bank board member / accused of sexual asault... His campaign should have went "Money for nothing and the chicks for free" even if told no. 999666
Newt says who is going to pay for the park the OWS people are in if there are no businesses making a profit. Well...if the business paid for the park outright, it would be a private park. The government pays for public parks. And that's the point, right? The things we want for a well-resourced society -- good schools, solid police forces, civic opportunities like parks and zoos, etc. -- come from the public. And you get public funds with more revenues.
If businesses don't make profits from whom do the liberals confiscate the money they spend? Every government employee at every level has a job funded by people with real private sector jobs. Without the private sector you have Cuba. What a great model.
" from whom do the liberals confiscate the money they spend? "
We will get it from those imprisoned for treason to this country for running a continual criminal organization,
THE GOP, who has used every illegal trick & subterfuge to destroy a president who was
legally & fairly elected to office by a majority of those voting in the last election.
Either respect our constitution & function within it boundaries or leave the country...and move to TEXAS !