Maybe they can revisit more anti-abortion laws. Or putting more teeth in the "In God we Trust" law. Heavens, why on earth would they want to do something so mundane as doing something on the economy - i.e. JOBS

Feisty,

"Now maybe they can get back to more urgent business, like naming Post Offices! lol"

Yep. Or declaring that pizza is a vegetable.

Boehner fails to count the votes on another bill before asking for a vote.

As Feisty said – EPIC FAIL

By the way, did Michelle Bachmann go back to Washington to vote and do her job? After all the complaining about the President being out of the country, I was just wondering.........

Yep. Or declaring that Pizza is a vegetable.

Good One!

Then they wonder why childhood obesity is an epidemic!

All the wailing about what about the future for our children & grandchildren kind of falls flat when they end up being diabetic & weigh 300 lbs...

And the air & water is so polluted you can't consume it!

But, hey, they got their tax breaks! ;o)

Healthy and nutritious school lunches ? That concept would require reading skills, a dictionary and a little work. The opposition can't handle that. Might strain their collective brain. As in the brain they share amongst themselves.

"Yep. Or declaring that pizza is a vegetable."

Actually, wasn't this one once before? I'm thinking back around the Bush Sr. years, but can't remember. I do seem to remember the joke, though, that tomato sauce was a veggie.

that tomato sauce was a veggie.

I think it was Reagan who declared ketchup a veggie...

the demos didn't vote for it! they are the ones holding up things in congress!

why can't you libos admit your the ones who don't want any budget you wanna

raise taxes and spend spend spend!!!

one of the 14 bills the house passed for job creation to the floor of the Senate for a vote.

You mean the 14 bills that contain nothing more than additional de-regulation & tax cuts?

Thanks... but NO thanks! ;o)

drive-by-observer

ketchup. The Reagan admiistration declared ketchup counted as a vegetable in school lunches.

BTW it is 15 bills and not one of them would get the 60 procedural votes needed to let them get to the floor for a debate, amendments and a final vote.

I other words, they are a waste of time.

Yeah that's what I thought Fiesty. What's the matter?! Are you affraid if they actually get voted on, the dems might pass them? Then you wouldn't be able to lie about the Party of NO? That would really put a crimp in your delusional view of the world now wouldn't it. You really are a left wing tool , aren't you.

We Progressives want to Tax Baby Tax, and Spend Baby Spend.

I'm a left wing tool and I'm darn proud of it.

of course it failed, dont you have to first have a budget before considering how to balance it?

time to fire the liberal scum

TEA

We will be sending the Radical Right scum home soon. Remember, Tax Baby Tax, and Spend Baby Spend.

Correct you are JP. This country is coming down to a major vote come next November. That vote will decide if this country wants to be another socialist country like in Europe, or return to be America.

"Sending the Radical Right scum home" .... so living within our country's income is considered "RADICAL" by you ? Wow ! You might as well head back to Zucotti Park so you can defecate on the sidewalk ... sure would love to see your personal financial statement !! LOL !!!

Remember November ....2010. What happened then ?

Mine looks pretty good and hopefully, my taxes will get raised.

Dennis,

I agree it is a waste of time, I have never seen grid lock in Washington as there is now. I'm not for sure what the answer is except the voters need to get rid of all members of the house, democrats and republicans, and vote out all incumbent Senators running for reelection.

I don't believe Boehner failed to count the votes, everyone knew this was not going to pass the house with a 2/3s majority. This was just another political ploy by both sides. It is very hard to pass an Amendment, as it should be, so I don't see this as a surprise.

"The demos want to tax and spend spend spend!"

It's better than the republican way of business 'borrow and spend' which is exactly what they do. Doesn't history show that republican presidents are notorious for increasing debt and deficit more than democratic presidents?

Jobs1-

You can write a check to the US Treasury any time you want. I'll bet you take every deduction and use every tax avoidence trick in the book. Just like all those other millionaires that say they wouldn't mind paying more taxes. When asked to write the check, they run for the door. Your all mouth and zero substance.

Feisty Did I miss the part where you congratulated the the 25 Democrats that voted for the bill for taking a stand for fiscal responsibility? Or are you like the 161 who want to continue spending the country into oblivion?

Let's hope you and I will pay a liitle more along with the SUPER rich.

Dennis,

I agree it is a waste of time

Yeah. As if the Senate is doing anything so important at the moment that they can't afford to "waste" time voting on bills that would provide jobs. ROTFLMAO!! You lefties could at least be upfront about the need for Reid to block the bills to give you cover and a story line for your propaganda campaigns. Get a spine.

Yay! Now can we stop revisiting this POS anti-checks and balances, taxation without representation, draconian "starve the beast" farce and focus on JOBS?!

No, we don't need to vote out all incumbents, just Teapublicans. The majority of Americans know exactly where the gridlock is coming from -- the Do Nothing uncompromising GOP/TP obstructionists.

JPSOTW -- You can write a check to the US Treasury any time you want.

As the group of millionaires responded yesterday to Norquist and other GOP/TP leaders who say the same thing, the government is not a charity. Move off this, it's asinine.

This country has been living beyond it's means for so long a lot of people have forgotten what is is like not to spend more than they have.

JPSOTW: You can write a check to the US Treasury any time you want

I am tired of this argument. If you are so concerned, why aren't YOU writing checks to the government? Wait, YOU want the government to fail. Instead, YOU fail.

TruePatriot-

Sorry you don't get it both ways. You don't get to tell me you want to pay more taxes and then take every deduction, use every tax avoidence trick, and decline to write a check to the US Treasury when asked. You want to move off this then stop lying about how willing you are to pay more taxes.

fielden-

We are tired of hearing the lies about the willingness to pay more taxes. Again, if you want the argument to go away....stop LYING.

Thanks Sarge,

Two reasons I said what I did about Boehner. He has miscounted votes he needed before. I didn’t hear anything recent about this being a vote to please the base or test the Dems so I thought it was a sincere vote. It actually got more votes than I thought it would especially after hearing that some Republicans were going to vote against it.

Awesome example of why Republican elitists may find themselves booted out next November and being replaced by conservatives.

TruePatriot:

I sure wish I shared your confidence. I'm not at all certain the majority of Americans know the source of gridlock. There is a huge number of voters who hear a dog whistle only. You see it here, day in and day out. No amount of facts is going to change a narrative right-wingers love. They're victims and they wallow in the abuse heaped on them by an immoral nation.

No further proof is necessary than this BS "amendment". Some of the G.O.P. Congressman, who voted for this truly don't have a clue how dangerous this is. They're just plain stupid. There is another contingent in this group that is pure cynicism. They knew the Dems would bail them out so they could vote for this POS and have cover.

A balanced budget requirement is insane. But then, when did the right wing ever understand anything more than their plight this minute? Tomorrow is a very confusing concept.

I'm moved to note that these guys have a three-note octave. Duh - re - me. Most get stuck on DUH! The rest get no further than ME, ME, ME!

I'm sorry but want this not a bi-partisian vote both Democrate and republicans voting no. So why is it a libby vote no. I guess I do not understand how this works.

we must end the deduction for charitable contributions. the govt is much better at taking care of the less fortunate than religious and private organizations.

Amy B. Portland, ME

drive-by-observer

Ketchup. The Reagan administration declared ketchup counted as a vegetable in school lunches.

And tomato paste makes pizza a vegetable. The lobbyists who represent potatoes want french fries served every day, and the poultry lobbyists want chicken fingers served every day, and the lobbyists for ketchup, ranch dressing, etc. want their products poured over the french fries and chicken fingers every day, along with cheese and bacon bits per the lobbyists from the dairy and pork industries. And most of all Coca-Cola wants a soft drink served every day to wash all that crap down.

No positive changes can be made, not even for our children and grandchildren, because of MONEY in politics.

Teapublicans, pass legislation the Dems put forward to counter-act the Citizens United ruling, then change campaign finance laws to end plutocracy rule by the rich and powerful corporations. The GOP/TP is obsessed with spending cuts (or abortion, a close tie). We need to balance the budget, and we could do it today if Teapublicans would end the wars, stop corporate welfare, and end "trickle-down" tax cuts for the rich. But this is only one thing that ranks way down on the list. The root of all evil is money.

Back on topic...

It's NOT just spending, you simplton conservativs. This country has been living so long--the last 40 years in particular--with such inequality and transfer of wealth to the top that we can't even just revert to Clinton-era taxes. We must over correct at this point. Without a middle class with disposable income, our economic system will collapse. Even multi-millionaires know this and why they have come out in favor of paying higher taxes.

mitchj,

I sincerely hope you are jesting ! Our federal government is rapidly becoming a "FUBAR" and the onset of Obamacare will simply prove their incompetence.

If those millionaires truly want to pay more income taxes then all they have to do is claim no deductions when they file. Pretty simple

"That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest."

James Madison 1792

yes jim, am kidding.

i find many times that by posting core liberal ideals, one can see how completely ridiculous they truly are.

JPSOTW -- Anyone who follows my posts knows I am against tax credits. But while we are still in a fragile recovery from the Great Recession, we must increase revenue in phases starting with those who can sustain it, which are the richest 1% and corporations raking in record profits. Then we need to reform the tax code so that all tax credits are removed, and thereby being able to lower the tax rate even further for the middle class and working poor -- It would be a bit of a wash, and would make taxation based on income not lifestyle choices as it should be. But we will always need progressive tax brackets with the rich paying a higher percentage of ALL their income.

The majority of voters (based on polls) just want to see a balanced approach to deficits, with revenues at least equal to spending cuts, if not greater. We need a Big Deal right now of at least $5 trillion, preferably $3 trillion in revenue and $2 trillion in cuts. And NO there cannot be off-sets to revenue with additional spending cuts -- Obviously that defeats the balanced approach! @#$%&! Teapbublicans completely lack any Rule of Reason.

True Patriot...

Why waste time on trickle down? Tax 100% of the rich mans income. You will be broke again in 18 months.

The problem is not income, it is spending. STOP SPENDING NOW!

mitchj:

Actually, no! You aren't kidding. You're unable to see the forest for the trees. Would you care to tell us why government should be in the business of social engineering by offering deductions for "charitable" causes? Why should there be deductions for salvation bribes? Why should there be any deductions for personal choices?

It seems to me, a "conservative" like yourself would object to de jure subsidies for "charities", or subsidies for breeders, or incentives for home ownership. Explain yourself.

That's why I post facts. It shows how inconsistent your positions are.

Tistheseason:

It wasn't necessarily "libbies" who voted "No". The Republicans who voted "No" are tried and true cynics/idiots.

Those who voted against the Balanced Budget Amendment know damned good and well you cannot tie the hands of government. Stuff happens, buckaroo.

Would stuff like "living within our income" happen .........BUCKAROO ????????

David Walker, the only reason the govt wants to take charity operations out of the hands of religious and private organization control is so they can manipulate and politically motivate the recipients.

this is fact, and has been established time and time again. under the guise of compassion, liberal leaders are able to ensure votes.

anyone can see the encroachment. from birth to death via socialized medicine, control of education/indoctrination, etc, the list goes on and on.

we know what this is, and what it leads to. ...neither slavery nor involuntary servitude...shall exist within the United States.

call it what you want, marxism, socialism, communisim, wealth redistribution...its slavery, and has killed more millions than anything else devised by man.

go ahead and laugh, but that pig wont fly, not here.

TEA

mitchj:

You said: "this is fact, and has been established time and time again."

Fact? Established time and time again? Surely, you'll be good enough to show me where I might find that proof of "fact".

The church deduction? If you are going to use the Constitution for your nonsense about involuntary servitude, why don't you go familiarize yourself with the First Amendment in that document? It starts like this, "Congress shall make no law.........." Did you get the part about NO?

Constitution good? Yeah, when you agree with it. Constitution bad? Yeah, when you don't agree with it.

jim lotsanumbers:

That would depend on whether Congress acted responsibly, wouldn't it? That hasn't happened in the last 30 years. I'm sure you've been keeping a watchful eye on your Congressman, right? Have you been making sure your representatives have been living within their means? Has he or she been responsible? Have you been that lonely, plaintive, and ignored voice of reason?

I know that President Bush NEVER vetoed a single spending bill. Do you? Did you vote for him or for his re-election. Did you vote for that McCain fellow. He was doing a lot of that spending too?

Come on Jim, tell us the truth.

David, proof: ground zero for war on poverty=Detroit.

you do have a point about deductions being at odds with my hate of subsidies. however, i hoped to raise that those recommending the end of charitable deduction want less to help the fiscal situation, and more to increase their power. its just one example.

i am a flat tax fan, no deductions, have been for many years.

Here was Paulie's big chance to put his mouth where the money is!

His reasons are valid. He's a whole lot smarter than you are.

Explain, how so, Doug? He intends to destroy Social Security and Medicare.

The democrats have never seen a dollar they didn't want to spend. This proves it.

That is false. Obama's attempts to cut subsidiaries to oil companies prove it.

Another very public Republican failure? Imagine that. Certainly they will be well used to the feeling by the time they lose next year's presidential election. Of course, by then there will no GOP candidates left to run against Obama: the current clown car full of wannabe contenders is in the process of crashing and burning on national TV.

It is obvious that progressives lack reading comprehension skills. From the article.... "The vote was required as part of the law that created the supercommittee this summer..."

So tell us Pissy Redhead (and the rest of you progressive trolls).... how was having this vote a republican failure since it was mandated in the bill that created the supercommittee? What am I thinking? Progressives lack the ethics it takes to be honest and the intelligence it takes to think for themselves.

@delusional patriot.... "JPSOTW -- You can write a check to the US Treasury any time you want.

As the group of millionaires responded yesterday to Norquist and other GOP/TP leaders who say the same thing, the government is not a charity. Move off this, it's asinine."

First off when has JPSOTW ever stated a desire to pay more taxes? Second kindly explain WHY, in your opinion, it is asinine. These millionaires come to D.C. crying that they don't pay enough in taxes but yet they refuse to pay more voluntarily? What the hell is the difference? They either want to give the government more of their money or they don't. If they want to give the government more of their money, like they claim, they are free to do so. The fact that they won't proves that this was just more political theater put on by the progressives. Maybe you should ask why G.E. paid ZERO taxes and why one of Buffet's companies owes billions in unpaid back taxes. Both the CEO of GE and Buffet are financial advisers to your Dear Leader. Of course we can't leave out Obama picking tax cheat Timmy "I can't figure out how to run Turbo Tax" Geitner to be the head of the IRS.

Quit using strawmans here. If GE and Warren Buffet are not paying their fair share, than we have a problem with them too. What evidence do you have that liberals do not criticize them as well?

Mr. Anon....

show us evidence that they do

Mr. Anon (I can only imagine your first name is Al),

Those programs will collapse under their own weight. I read an article a few days ago entitled "80 is the new 65". It spoke of how entitlements would be paid later and later as the population grew older.

Of course, I already knew this and have actually made comments on this board concerning such. Oh, there will still be SS and Medicare but the actual payment of services will be non-existent in the case of Medicare and SS payments will be later and later. Until, finally, everyone will pay into SS but very few will receive it. The way it was intended when conceived. You see, leftists, those who designed the program, being the typical short-sighted leftists, never envisioned that the average life span would increase by 25 years.

Amy-I'm sure all those people who got Post Offices named after them appreciate the symbolism! That is all the Republican House has accomplished--renaming buildings and having votes on legislation that has no chance of passing the Senate or surviving a veto.

Ho-de-hum... The republicans voted for the ammendment and were only shy 4 republican votes. Sounds to me like the republicans want to whip the spending into shape... all the while, the liberals ignore... totally ignore the fact that democrats are happy with the spending spree. 161 democrats voted against the measure. What is it about democrats that want to keep spending money without restraint? This is quite typical of the liberals to take the side of those that are ruining this country.

The Radical Right has been the group that is ruining the country.

Job1 - you are delusional. The liberals and the democrats hold government majority. If what you say is true, then the radical right is a lot more powerful than given credit for (other than liberals). I'd fear them if I were you since the Senate is owned by liberals and we have a liberal president. You aren't saying the right is holding Obama impotent are you? Does this mean you are saying the liberals are losing the battle? Not sure exactly what you are saying, but you sure do like to blame the other guy while ignoring what your side is doing.

Renaming Post Offices that are eventually going to get closed. Good time spent - right?

Job1 - you are delusional. The liberals and the democrats hold government majority. If what you say is true, then the radical right is a lot more powerful than given credit for (other than liberals). I'd fear them if I were you since the Senate is owned by liberals and we have a liberal president. You aren't saying the right is holding Obama impotent are you? Does this mean you are saying the liberals are losing the battle? Not sure exactly what you are saying, but you sure do like to blame the other guy while ignoring what your side is doing.

What alternate universe do you live in? The house is completely controlled by Republicans. Nothing progressive can be passed in the Senate due to the filibuster. The government for the last year has been as much Republican as Democratic, and far more conservative bills have been passed than "liberal" ones. Your premise is false. Learn to argue properly.

As you can see, no matter how much rhetoric a radical spews, he or she will always be broken down by facts.

@Mr. Anon.... "Nothing progressive can be passed in the Senate due to the filibuster."

Nothing "progressive" should be passed by either house of congress. Progressive is just a positive sounding title that the Marxists, communists and socialists have decided to call themselves. This is because Marxist, communist and socialist are dirty words to most Americans.... as they should be.

Explain how "progressive"=Marxist. Marxist would mean the elimination of class, which obviously the Democrats do not want.

"Hey Republicans: "WHERE'S THE JOBS ALREADY?""

Keep it down, double-B: You're going to attract the "Solyndra" birds again....

Yea we don't want to bring up that thievery of over 500 million tax payer dollars to an insolvent company that was owned by Friends of BO, it looks bad!

"WHERE'S THE JOBS ALREADY" ? Oh, that's right.... the Democrats totally FAILED during Obama's first two years in office while controlling the Senate, the House and the Presidency, so now responsibility and blame go to Republicans, huh ?

Where are the jobs ? Go to the Senate chambers, find Harry Reid..... phsically lift up his ASS off previously House-passed legislation (like15 bills he has failed to present to the Senate) ..... and you will have your answer !

Heaven forbid our country should actually do something so extreme as to TRY AND LIVE WITHIN OUR INCOME ...... when all the libbies think we need to become like Greece !!

Fillibuster jim.Look up the meaning of the word,since you obviously don't know.Or trying to avoid the facts.

"Budget" Rich.... since is something the Democrats obviously do not understand and Obama will have no part of approving.

DBO you did it, now they are back and singing their song, the only thing missing is big bird.

Heaven forbid our country should actually do something so extreme as to TRY AND LIVE WITHIN OUR INCOME ......

That describes republicans to a tea. After all, they are the ones who spent like drunken sailors during the Bush years, all while reducing revenues. Medicare Part D anyone? Iraq war anyone? Class-anyone? Anyone? Apparently "Jim" Ferris Bueller took the entire Bush presidency as a day off.

Liberals make jokes about the sad state of our country... never serious... it's like they are waiting for something... like a socialist take-over... or the dictator in chief to make the announcement that he's never leaving office. I guess this is the only thing that will make them happy.

Liberals have no respect for this country... they sing a song slightly out of tune while claiming they are patriots... patriots of what? The democrats are spending this country into oblivion and the liberals are cheering them on.

RedDevPS - let's compare the debt to when Bush was in office. He never ran it up 5 Trillion in 3 years. Obama has several milestones. First to have our credit rating drop... first to ever spend $5 trillion in 3 years... first to use government money to bail out privately owned businesses... First to initiate a health care law that will make Medicare Part D look like a drop in the bucket... By design the ACA was enacted to take place when Obama left office, or late into his second term... this was done to avoid the tar and feather routine he so deserves.

You talk about spending like drunken sailors... take a look at what your hero has spent. He's so drunk he's passed out on the floor.

BrianB,

Did Bush sign the TARP bill? You know the bill that was the first ever used to bail out private business? Just wondering, because i have an aching suspicion you may have you talking points wrong buddy.

Ah, yes, wikipedia...my friend:

The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It was a component of the government's measures in 2008 to address the subprime mortgage crisis.

And blah, blah, blah, here go the conservative lies again. Really, Obama caused the drop in the credit rating? Funny, I thought that was caused by inaction on the part of Congress to take responsible measures to increase the debt ceiling. Really, ACA will make Part D look like a drop in the bucket as it pertains to the debt? I guess that carefully researched and scored CBO report claiming if fully enacted, ACA will reduce the debt was just a big old pack of lies. I guess we should have left all that accounting stuff in your capable Murdoff accounting hands vs. the experts at CBO.

Oh and BrianB, as to this:

By design the ACA was enacted to take place when Obama left office, or late into his second term... this was done to avoid the tar and feather routine he so deserves.

I really can't clearly commit to comment on this carefully conscripted cantankerous crafty contra-conservative conspiracy. It is the first I've heard of it and there aren't reliable reading resources available on the subject. I'll have to take your word that Obama is one clever dude to come up with that.

Bush signed it but Obama enacted it. So what? What makes you think I have any respect for Bush? It's what Obama has done that has created the problems we face now. Whatever Bush did, Obama has piled onto it 10 fold. Obama ran on hope and change. What hope? He's doing things that aren't changing this country and there is very little hope while he remains in office.

The drop in the credit rating was because the president (the executive in charge) could not rally the necessity for congress to act together. It's your ideal goal to blame the republicans while ignoring what the democrats are doing.

The carfeully compiled CBO report is full of holes. Apparantly you will believe anything you like and refuse to pay any attention to contrary reporting and analysis. I'm certain you believe that Social Security and Medicare is totally solvent too. It seems you believe anything the democrats tell you. They would never lie to you, would they? The republicans do the same thing... they say what they will to other republicans to make them believe them too. It's not a D vs an R thing. The trouble with this country is liberalism. Look up the definition and if you can honestly say the liberals of today fit that definition, I'll give you an apple. Liberals hate anything conservative. Why? Because conservatism believes in accountability where liberalism does not. Obama is not accountable to anyone... and you know it.

RedDevPS - Obama is a lot more craftier than you will ever believe. He has completely fooled you and just about every other liberal out there. I don't suppose you ever heard of the two political professors he studied under while at Columbia University... Clower and Pivins... Do yourself a favor and check them out. I doubt if you will ever lose your love for Obama, but at least you will know the agenda Obama has for this country that he's been working on since day one of his inaugration. Of course you will believe it's a conspiracy theory since you wouldn't believe anything a conservative says anyway.

Sources - you wouldn't read them, so there's no point in posting them.

Yea like Libya...we really needed that one...Several BILLION at a time when we can't find the money to keep the governement running, funny how the money is always there for war isn't it? It is important to make sure the POTUS can get us involved in war whenever he wants without congressional input .

It is important to make sure the POTUS can get us involved in war whenever he wants

You mean like Iraq??????

Hypocrits!

Not as stupid,

Well congress approved the Iraq war so it is not like Iraq but that does not make that mess OK either. the point I am trying to make is it is not necessarily a good idea to "rush a bill through" to start a war regardless of who is in charge, and it is UNCONTITUTIONAL to do it without congressinal approval, that is why I said POTUS and not Obama but you evidently had your political party hat pulled over your eyes and could not see that.

Make no mistake though, I am sure that in time the war in Libya will bite us in the rear just like every other war we shouldn't have been involved in and that includes Iraq. NO man should have the ability to command the strongest military in the world without checks and balances

No 96...

Your post only mentioned Libya & POTUS. Had you been referencing Iraq & POTUS you would not have seemed to be so hipocritical IMO, but you only spoke of Libya. The clarification @4.4 is good, and I would agree with that, but such position was not expressed originallly - no "political party hat" over my eyes, just calling them as I see them.

As for the contention that :

congress approved the Iraq war

I would counter that Congress, the American Public, the U.N., and the entire world was lied to by the Administration about WMD's pointed at us or their approval would probably NOT have been obtained; the politics of fear mongering was, I believe, the only reason congressional approval was obtained. That, my friend, is just plain WRONG and makes the analogy invalid. I also remember POTUS getting on national tv and giving Saddam 48 hrs. to get out of dodge before we come in shooting - before congressional approval was obtained! That, ipso facto, is at variance with what you posted.

You may be correct about the effects of Libya, but I do NOT believe so, given the bottom line results; I personally think it will prove to be beneficial in the future. Our Iraqi involvement on the other hand has and will continue to jump up and "bite us in the rear" in my opinion.

Your final statement is spot on I think.

@More stupid than he thinks.... "I would counter that Congress, the American Public, the U.N., and the entire world was lied to by the Administration about WMD's pointed at us or their approval would probably NOT have been obtained; the politics of fear mongering was..." You mean the Clinton Administration, England, France and Germany all LIED in their reports about Iraq's WMD's? Not that them doing so surprises me. Just like how progressives put 100% of the responsibility for 9/11 on Bush even though he had only been in office 8 months but do not hold Obama responsible for ANYTHING even though he has been in office almost 3 years. The level of hypocrisy displayed by progressives has reached the point of being absurd. But it does not surprise me.

Now let's get down to the brass tacks. Did congress approve the military action in Iraq? YES! Did Obama even ask congress to approve military action in Libya? NO! Did Obama claim our involvement in Libya would be minimal and would last less than 2 weeks? YES! Was it "minimal"? NO! Did our involvement last less than 2 weeks? NO! (try 6+ months) Did Obama try to justify violating the War Powers Act by claiming that killing people with Tomahawk cruise missiles, unmanned drones and smart bombs are NOT hostile acts? YES!

Now before you try to paint me as someone who is defending Bush let me point out that I was (and am) against the cluster *uck that is the Iraq invasion and occupation. I was (and am) also against our continued presence in Afghanistan. We went there supposedly "to get bin Laden". bin Laden left Afghanistan 10 years ago. So why are we still there?

I truly thought I could never have less respect for a president than I have for Bush II.... But then came Obama... and I found out I was wrong.

before you try to paint me as someone who is defending Bush

I don't have to do that because you then proceed to defend dubya.

Is all that indignant poutrage because of your guilty conscience?

3 rules:

You don't just walk away from a war you are involved in without tying up the loose ends. (Dubya got us into a sticky situation that Obama has dealt with admirably IMO getting it over with.)

You don't walk away from your allies while they are still in a precarious postion from the enemy - taliban - and suddenly withdraw your support just because the primary task - getting Bin Laden - finaly gets accomplished (by Obama, NOT by Bush!)

And you don't change horses in mid-stream; PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!

And the fact STILL remains, in spite of your attempted re-write of history - that G. W. Bush and his privies LIED TO CONGRESS, THE U.N., THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND THE WORLD about WMD's so he could USE this nation to go after his personal and family enemy Saddam, costing us 5000 + American lives and trillions of dollars as well as our economic future... but hey, he got the guy who dissed his daddy. Like McConnell & Boehner & company, "98% of what he wanted."

On that record, please do NOT ask nor expect us to easily give Republicans another chance at the White House anytime soon!

No, the real oxymoron in the same sentence is Republican and brains.

Aahh, Rich espouses the ugly liberal mantra once again......"If you don't agree with us, well then, hrrmph, you must be uneducated, or mentally deficient, or, or ...the product of inbreeding.....or, or (whatever other snide remark you can insert here).

Let me guess Rich, you married a wealthy woman and she pays ALL YOUR BILLS FOR YOU... is that right ?

You libbies have no financial common sense, but speak with a false air of self-appointed intellectual superiority. Our country is now over $15 trillion in debt and the level keeps rising ! You just don't seem to understand that our country has a HUGE SPENDING PROBLEM and we cannot spend or legislate our way to Utopia.

The debt is the result of tax giveaways, fighting 2 wars off the books and bailing out the economy from the worst recession in 70 years.

The first priorities should be to end the wars, scale back the Pentagon budget accordingly, and let the Bush tax cuts expire, before any drastic cuts in discretionary spending are considered.

The debt is simply the result of spending MORE than we TAKE IN.

When you are $15 trillion in debt, and GROWING, drastic cuts must be made. It's kind of like getting off a railroad track ...... when a speeding train is coming at you.

So Jim, going to war from borrowed funds, and reducing taxes (ie. revenue), and an unpaid prescription drug program isn't spending more then we take in, you need to take your hypocritical stance and admit that FIRST before arguring ANYTHING toward the current administration. Picking and choosing when to b!tch is quite childish and hypocritical.

@KingJust... Is that all you progressives can do? Tell lies by creating strawman arguments when you can't challenge what someone actually said? Where did Jim say "going to war from borrowed funds, and reducing taxes (ie. revenue), and an unpaid prescription drug program isn't spending more then we take in,..."? Here's a clue for you...he didn't. You are lying by claiming he did. But don't worry King, blatantly lying just shows that you are a typical progressive.

I'm certain that history PROVES that King is stating facts and that dmac is posting attempted history re-writes/excuses; thus King's post is truthful and dmac is telling lies.

spin, spin, spin....

Amen

Agreed, and let's start by going after the welfare programs that pad Bachmann's checking account.

Yes tieing the hands of the government when a catastrophy happens is what needs to happen. I'm sure big corporations are going to come to the aid of flood, tornado, and hurrican victims.

Please start with Debbie Wasserman Schultz ! The dumpster for her !!

i believe dws would need to be separated, like paint, and motor oil

Perhaps, one of those "red containers" for hazardous waste. Isn't that where former congressman Jackson wound up ..... you know, the guy who was a verbal "flamethrower" ????

I'm NOT sure the House actually UNDERSTANDS the implications of some of the symbolic votes that they have

Must agree... clueless as usual.

Example: "trigger" cuts to defense (a big part of the "98% of what we wanted" from the obstructionist hostage takers - Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, etc. - that led to our reduced credit rating last summer) that they now regret and are attempting to void.

America will be much bette off without them; VOTE THEM OUT and send them home to work for a living like regular folk!

They lack any kind of manegment no leadership.What would you say when Google Eyes says his only goal is to get rid of Obama

hey alex, how many days now since the libs have no budget? how many weeks? months? years?

real responsible

great job

The answer to your question is this. It won't matter, because they will nix anything coming from this present administration. Just for the sake of trying to make this President look bad. This last fiasco is just another one of their examples. You don't have to belive me. Just let the record speak for itself. How else can you be for something then be against it. In order to undermine the current administration... Look it up. Don't cheat yourself...

last nov was only a wave, next year will be a tsunami.

the senate will swing conservative, and the executive will be replaced.

the economy will rebound, and the republic will be restored.

TEA

Umm Alex, the House had the majority to pass a budget and did not...please explain.

I'm not here to play tit-for-tat with you good sir. However if the past is any indicator of what happend when the GOP had all three houses. Then deep in your heart (Be truthful to yourself) do you seriously think that not only the US but the rest of the world as well. Can actually stomach going thru that devastating fiasco again... REALLY... And especially with these current Republican candidates that are running for office...

Whoa-Jack... What a horible nightmare that would be...

Alex, I know you don't like to hear facts, but Do you realize, starting with the 110th Congress that the Democrats have held the majority in Washington since 2007, either by controlling both houses of Congress or one house of congress and the Presidential office? Are you saying that even though the Democrats have been in control for almost 5 years that they were still unable to do anything about the downward spiral the nation is in? Are you saying even though they held the majority they could not stop Bush? Are you saying the Democratic party is that inept? During that 5 years the national debt has went up 5 Trillion dollars.
I will side with you on this note, the republicans are not doing much better, they are all in it for themselves.

Unfortunately Alex, President Obama had a chance to turn this around, but his decision to be anything but transparent, not reaching across the isles, and devisive tone deviding this country is about all anyone can take. Rather than focus on the economy, jobs & illegal immigration, he chose instead to concentrate on healthcare, Gitmo, don't ask don't tell, green jobs, etc. No thank you!

Bob, their psuedo majority was not fillibuster proof so in actuallity, they couldn't pass anything.

uaw, shouldnt you be attending a public defecation contest in NYC or something like that?

I am a Republican debate

Why mitch, how do you know such events occur... attend much and WIN? Stupid reply for a stupid poster and post. Good god man, grow up!

McRob: "....the newswriters don't understand what they are writing about."

They do that on purpose because the truth hurts the Dems and their state run media .

Re-elect,

Wake up. You are ignoring the $15 trillion national debt.

Democrat Party = tax & spend until we are Greece .

The debt is the result of tax giveaways, fighting 2 wars off the books and bailing out the economy from the worst recession in 70 years.

The first priorities should be to end the wars, scale back the Pentagon budget accordingly, and let the Bush tax cuts expire, before any drastic cuts in discretionary spending are considered.

Leona...go back to sleep. Our society, economy and government are nothing like Greece.

Republicans = I listened to Fox and Friends and now I am informed.

Yes, we have $15 trillion in debt, and that IS bad. Although, how convenient of you to ignore much of what caused it in the first place. After all, we are getting reimbursed for that Iraq thing right? THe drug plan and tax cuts are totally paid for...right? Less talking points, more reading!

Democrats voted to extend the Bush tax cuts. They controlled both house when that was voted on.

Re-elect,

We can do all that but the bad news is the programs have to be cut anyway.

They are going broke and will not be there in a few short years.

Steve,

You are uninformed, not me. I don't watch Fox but you can say I do , if that makes you feel good.

You probably get your info right here at Msnbc . ( where the "M" stands for misleading)

Everyone knows these entitlement programs must be cut. If they aren't, the money will run out regardless. Whether we like it or not.

BTW, looking back to whose fault it is, won't help. We are already into the solutions phase.

Social Security assets in 2010 were $2.6 trillion, an amount that is expected to be adequate to cover the next 10 years. The program is not projected to run out of money until 2036 without legislative action.

The program doesn't need to be cut at all. The current level of benefits can be sustained till at least 2079 with a combinations of reforms, including an increase in the payroll tax, raising the retirement age to 70, and 1% reduction in the COLA.

Re-elect

does this mean that you will have gotten yours by 2036? There are a lot of us that have paid in for 35 years that will just start to draw by 2036. I count myself among this bunch. I would prefer that we stop kicking the can now so my kids and grand kids aren't paying the fix the mess we refused to!

I'll just be starting to draw in 2036 as well.

The point is the program can be extended to 2079 with minor tweaks. There is no urgent need to drastically cut the program.

Between now and 2036 there will be 13 House elections, 5 Senate elections and 6 Presidential elections. Plenty of time to make small effective changes.

Stevie,

A balanced budget is a disaster ?

Is that how you run your own finances?

@Leona -

Are all your possessions paid in full with no balances owed and you don't use credit cards? Most Americans carry some form of debt and therefore do not run balanced household budgets.

The amendment that failed had a provision that allows three-fifths of Congress to waive the amendment for expenditures related to a military conflict “that causes an imminent and serious threat to national security.” If you believe the Cold War or the War on Terror qualifies, this could have led to constant exceptions from 1947 to 1991, and from 2001 to perhaps the present.

Besides, even if it did pass, since it is a Constitutional amendment, it would still have to be ratified by 3/4 of the States and that is definitely not going to happen.

re-elect,

Say what you will.......

We still have $15 trillion debt. We can't argue that away. It has to be dealt with.

Sooner or later, China won't lend us the 40 cents of every dollar we borrow.

China doesn't lend us anything. They purchase U.S. Treasury securities and we use the money. China owns 36 percent of all foreign-held U.S. Treasury securities, which is actually 16% of total US public debt.

Granted, they could cash out their securities and demand payment or stop buying securities, but that's not likely. They make a lot of interest from their holdings and if they did sell off a lot of the securities, they would devalue their remaining holdings. Any large sell off would obviously hurt our economy and we are the people who buy their exports, so that would hurt them too.

Leona... once you stated "say what you will..." you became a troll. You got rebuttled and clamed up. Good job sugar!

KingJust,

I said "say what you will" because some people like to "spin" the idea of the $15 trillion debt and think there are ways to NOT pay it down or just ignore it.

They are wrong and so are you but no one can change your twisted logic.

Leona

Just like everyone else, I watch my finances carefully, but I doubt that many people have enough money set aside to cover unexpected expenses. That is when the rely on credit to take care of such emergencies.

Progressives want to save this country. Massage spending cuts hurt too many people. We need raised revenue.

Not only do Liberals/Democrats have a "welfare state" mentality.......

but they actually think it's OK to say to the kids and grandkids ...

" Sorry, kids, but we wanted all the entitlements , so we bankrupted the country and left you the tab."

"Sorry kids, the Tea Party and Millionaires and Billionaires didn't want to pay their taxes and said you would be better of gambling your Social Security funds on the stock market. So we dismantled the safety net and you're on your own."

re-elect bam bam

consider, those who beleive us too stupid to invest for our own retirement are responsible for investments like solyndra.

you would do better than they.

shake off your chain

join us

TEA

Re-elect: "the Tea Party and Millionaires and Billionaires didn't want to pay their taxes"

LOL You got it all wrong !

"The tea party and the millionaires and billionaires" are THE ONLY ONES who PAY their taxes !!

Democrats = Welfare recipients & Union cronies

Republicans = Tax payers

That's ludicrous at face value, of course.

So you support letting the Bush tax cuts expire and raising taxes on incomes of $1M+?

Leona the troll... which taxes are those? If i'm not mistaken, there are a plethora of taxes that we all pay, not just INCOME, you dolt... you do know that right? So that old saying of those who ONLY pay taxes is a farse such as you. Get a grip with reality and start speaking full truths and not half cocked talking points.

Democrats = Welfare recipients & Union cronies

Republicans = Tax payers

Democrats= The good people of this nation that care for all.

Republicans= The people who only care about themselves and want to screw others over.

job1,

Isn't it strange that the "good people", as you call Democrats, pay less, if any, taxes ?

That is a darn lie and you know it. Gosh, you Radical Right people are so out of it.

If Leona cannot support her assertion with facts then it is safe to say she is lying. Ignore her.

U.S. Representative (now Senator) Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) told The New Yorker:

“I think we’ve got a major crisis in democracy… We assume that voters will restrain the growth of government because it becomes burdensome to them personally. But today fewer and fewer people pay taxes, and more and more are dependent on government, so the politician who promises the most from government is likely to win. Every day, the Republican Party is losing constituents, because every day more people can vote themselves more benefits without paying for it. The tax code will destroy democracy, by putting us in a position where most voters don’t pay for government.”^[7]

So a Republican senator is whining because the GOP is losing its constituency due to their hypocritical views on the tax code? How does that support your statements if only to show the Republicans are out of touch with the voters?

Don't forget they want smaller government but want to intrude on non issues that intrude (contradiction here) into peoples personal life. Abortion and Gay Marraige... the hypocrisy ball and chain of the Tea parties mantra of smaller government. May you not fall off a bridge with that ball and chain and drown...

Explain to me how tieing the arms of the only establishment that will come to the countries aid in a catastrophy fiscal sanity? Oh yeah, that's right, population control must be your agenda...