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The cost of that border fence

Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:29 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mike Viqueira
With President Bush signing into law today the authorization for the 700-mile fence along the border, there's some disagreement among Republicans in Congress over just how much it's going to cost. The House Appropriations Committee, whose responsibility it is to count and (especially) spend money, estimates that the fence will cost in the neighborhood of $9 million a mile, which would put the total cost of the barrier at $6.3 billion. They base their estimate on what it had cost to build the existing fence near San Diego.

The House Homeland Security Committee, however, disputes that figure. They say the fence will cost only $2 to 4 billion. So if we call it $3 billion, that puts the per mile charge at $4.3 million. The committee bases this figure on an "internal estimate." Whatever the case, keep in mind that the measure that Bush signed today does not "pay" for anything. It merely "authorizes" -- i.e. gives permission -- for the fence to be built. So far Congress has put down only $1.2 billion in real cash to pay for actual construction.

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Fence: $9,000,000 per mile. Shovel to tunnel under fence: $10 Ladder to climb over fence: $50 Freedom once in the country knowing we won't track you down and kick you out: Priceless!!
Taxpayer Revolt In Order! Who's gonna build this nine million dollar a mile fence? Are they going to Gold-Plate the darn thing? Will it have Laffitte-Rothschilde 1927 drinking fountains? Platinum-plated porta-potties? Gatekeepers in Armani Tuxedos? Oops! Recalculate! Now it might be only four point three million...which means it will turn out to be twelve point seven million. It better not be Halliburton or a Bush League Company, building it. Better yet, have the former East Germans build it. They could even fill it up with Rottweilers for less than that. Or even more practical, and probably the cheapest, would be to have the Chinese build it. When they build a Wall, it's just a matter of time before it becomes a tourist trap, and that, as you know, is a money maker.
I would assume those calculations are based on yet another no-bid contract being awarded to Halliburton?
We'd be better off spending the money on new prisons for all of the republiscum perps after there is some real congressional oversight next year. Oh yeah and if anyone thinks one inch of this fence will be built I have some enron stock I'd like to unload to some lucky buyer.
Show me a 20' fence and I'll show you a 21' ladder. Besides they are only fencing a 1/3 of it. At 9 Million a mile it must be a Hallburton contract.
Two outposts with each with an accurate Winchester will secure our southern border. We could get Rush L. to man one of them and Pat B. the other one and hope they miss the illegal aliens. That would rid our country of it's two biggest racist.
What do we have to do to get that kind of support and dollars for cancer research???
At that price this damn thing needs armed gun turrets every couple of feet...see how much of a border security problem we would have then. Oh and somebody REALLY needs to tell Vicente Fox to STFU!
I'm not too worried about this very expensive border fence. It will never be built. Like every other pseudo-promise the Bush administration is making in an attempt to manufacture votes, it will be dust in the wind on November 8.
We all know Bush signed for the fence only to help the R during elections. Bush, himself, is in bed with Mexican President Fox - both of whom want our borders more open than they are now. We, American CITIZENS, must put the pressure on whomever goes in office to secure our borders and to get a handle on all these illegal aliens that WE are supporting in one way or another. Attrition by enforcement of the laws we already HAVE will fine and/or imprison the rich business owners who are getting richer by the day by hiring them at substandard wages. Dry up their jobs and they will go back home. In my state property taxes support our schools - schools we are paying a fortune to teach English to the children of illegals and our local goverments keep raising our school property taxes every year. Many people on fixed incomes are being literally taxed OUT of their homes they have worked years to pay for -- so their tax dollars can support providing facilites and teachers for children of illegal aliens, free medical care for them and food stamps and all the social services WE pay for that are SUPPOSED to be in place for American CITIZENS who need help. Bush wants to give the illegals amnesty - path for citizenship - people that is a path to further depressing the wages in America. They are so low now for the working class that CITIZENS cannot provide a decent living for their families. Before people start crying for those "poor" illegal aliens just looking for work - they need to take a look at the inner city schools of Baltimore, MD and most other US large towns. Our time, effort and money should be going into those areas to do something about the horrendous poverty due to no jobs and the continuous cycle of children seeing other children shot, dealing drugs - middle schoolers never making it to high school because they are either dead, in prison or dealing drugs. Those children do not deserve the life they are living - they had no choice in who they would be born to. We have old and disabled American CITIZENS that have to choose between food and medicine or food and being warm. I think most Americans agree that our tax dollars should be used to help those who cannot help themselves - as long as they are American CITIZENS - not illegal aliens who have stolen the privilege to be in this nation. What a slap in the face to the many good people who are doing everything legally and waiting to come into our country LEGALLY. They will be welcomed as all LEGAL immigrants are welcomed to our country. Yes, we need the fence - if it is built right it will stop alot of them. What we need as much as the fence is attrition by ENFORCEMENT. Bush and cronies tout "mass deportation" - that will not happen with attrition through enforcement - as each employer is fined and/or imprisoned for hiring illegals - or rather when it is LESS profitable to hire illegals than citizens - the illegals will go home as their illegal employment dries up. Yes, they do jobs Americans won't do. American won't do them because an American CITIZEN cannot feed a family on those low wages - When the employers are literally forced to pay a living wage -Americans will be lined up for jobs. That was PROVEN in a small town in southern GA just a few months ago. Unfortunately the city must spend over a million dollars to repair their sewer system that was overtaxed by people living twenty to an apt. News reported 20 mattresses pulled out of one 2 BR apt. Is THAT how WE want to be forced to live? If we don't stop this illegal immigration NOW - that is where our American dream is headed. I don't think we should hold our breath for a fence or for much of anything on our borders until we, the people of this nation, stand up and let our elected representatives know we are fed up with it.
I am very conflicted on the boarder issue for many reasons. But, singling out a few, here are some somewhat circular thoughts that I would really love to hear people's opinions on: 1. If we truly crack down on boarder security and illegals currently in the country, we would lose a very large portion of the workforce that practically no legal citizens want to replace due to the nature of the work and pay rate. 2. Those who replace them would be guaranteed a higher rate of pay due to the minimum wage standard. 3. On the one hand, this higher rate of pay would severely restrict any potential there may be for a long-overdue increase in the minimum wage, as doing so would further hurt the bottom line of small farmers, construction owners, and so on. 4. On the other hand, I cannot condone the virtual slave labor conditions the current structure is supporting. It is rare that I don't have a strong sense of right concerning an issue, but for the reasons above along with many more, I can't come to a conclusion. Please respond.
Attention leftist quislings!!! Job openings to build a fence. Now you can get off your lazy asses and actually do something constructive for the first time in your miserable lives. Regular bonus of food stamps to the first 500 losers. Special bonus of free cheese to build that fence and then fall off to the south side.
It won't get built. That would hamper the North American Union that Bush, without Congressional approval, and Canada and Mexico are intent on bringing about. There'll never be money for the fence. And Mexico can keep sending its poorest and least educated here to undercut our middle class. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class gets squeezed so it won't exist in the near future.
The fence will be underfunded just like so many of Bush's projects, such as No Child Left Behind Act. { The budget request continues to renege on the commitment to fully fund the No Child Left Behind Act - falling $9.4 billion short for this coming fiscal year and $27 billion short overall since the law's first year}.
I think the fence is ridiculous in the fact that it is only 700 miles long. I am pretty sure the American/ Mexican border is a lot longer than that. Maybe someone should tell Bush that in very very simple terms, seeing as how he has a hard time understanding it any other way. Thank God he can run again in 08'. PLEASE AMERICA! DONT VOTE IN ANOTHER IDIOT!!! I sure wont.
If the United States invested that much money in Mexico to build schools, help develop agriculture on a small farm scale, worked on developing clean water sources, supported the infastructure needed to maintain a good quality of life , I think we would probably save a few million on the project. Remember, a wall works two ways.
Building a fence, $4.3-9 million.  Cost of drugs brought in to your kids, crimes made my illegals, raids of social programs, money lost by driving wages down, costs of many other factors over the years.....Priceless!  Build the fence, hunt illegals down, and boot illegals out!  The only people helped by illegal immigrants is big business and the wealthy. If you are middle class or less, your life will be much better without illegal immigrants.  You will make more money, you will pay less taxes because illegals are not using what they do not pay for, and the crimes committed by those illegals will not happen.  Stand for a Great United States of America.


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