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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:08 AM by Huma Zaidi
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"Top House Democrats, working in concert with anti-war groups, have decided against using congressional power to force a quick end to U.S. involvement in Iraq, and instead will pursue a slow-bleed strategy designed to gradually limit the administration's options," Politico reports.  The effort will seek to "limit or sharply reduce the number of U.S. troops available for the Iraq conflict," and will "be supplemented by a multimillion-dollar TV ad campaign designed to pressure vulnerable GOP incumbents into breaking with President Bush and forcing the administration to admit that the war is politically unsustainable."  Democratic lawmakers hope the strategy will help "circumvent the biggest political vulnerability of the anti-war movement -- the accusation that it is willing to abandon troops in the field." 

The Chicago Tribune looks at how the White House has "downplayed the significance of the (House) resolution, although historians say congressional admonition of a president during wartime may be unprecedented.” 

USA Today covers the front-and-center involvement of the military veterans in both parties' ranks during the House debate.  "By letting combat veterans take a lead role on the opening day..., Democrats were directly confronting Republican accusations that any debate about the war will undercut U.S. servicemembers...  Republicans will counter on Thursday, when Rep. Sam Johnson of Texas leads a group of GOP veterans speaking against the resolution." 

The Democratic Senate campaign committee plans to start running print ads on Friday in New Hampshire and Oregon attacking GOP Sens. John Sununu and Gordon Smith for their procedural votes against the resolution opposing Bush's troop increase.  "Democrats, retired Generals, and the majority of the American public stand opposed to George Bush's Iraq escalation," one of the ads will say.  "But Sen. Sununu is taking orders from President Bush and blocking Senate debate on Iraq. Maybe it's time Sununu starting representing New Hampshire."

The California Senate yesterday approved a resolution "calling for a halt to boosting the number of troops in Iraq or spending any more taxpayer dollars on the war without explicit approval from Congress."  The resolution now heads to the state Assembly. 

The Los Angeles Times notes that Giuliani, while campaigning in California, "has framed Iraq as a battle in the war on terrorism without addressing questions on its original rationale." 

In "discussing the deployment of more troops, Mr. Giuliani has been alone in saying that such a strategy may not succeed, potentially providing him cover should the situation in Iraq deteriorate further," the New York Times points out.  "And he has put the strategy in a broader context that plays down the importance of Iraq…  ‘Giuliani may be in the best position of any of the Republican primary candidates on this because he uses very strong language in support of the war and its goals, but he doesn’t have to take simple up-or-down votes, like McCain does,’ said Dan Schnur, a Republican political consultant…  ‘He can voice the same ambivalence the voters feel.’” 

Bloomberg points out that the accord just struck by the Administration "to limit and eventually dismantle North Korea's nuclear program resembles one signed in 1994 by President Bill Clinton, a deal [Bush] denounced...  Bush's spokesman, Tony Snow, asserted the newest agreement was stronger than Clinton's two-way accord because it includes China, Japan, Russia and South Korea, and holds North Korea to short-term benchmarks for compliance.  [Secretary of State Condoleezza] Rice echoed that position." 

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As most of you know I have been expressing my aggervation about this non-binding "cover our political butts" resolution. I have referred to it as a waste of time. I still think that is the case. However an even greater waste of time has now happened in the California State Senate. As if it wasn't silly enough for a U.S. Congress to pass a non-binding resolution now an individual state, which has absoulutely no power or ability to micromanage wars, has passed a non-binding resolution. I'm sure several more states will follow to show that they are just as unimportant as California is in this debate.
Before this war in Iraq started I was living in Florida and wrote my congressman asking him to vote no on the war, because it would give bin Laden the greatest recruiting tool the world had ever seen. I also told him that trying to occupy Iraq would make Beirut look like a sunday school picnic. He ignored the good advice. Al qaeda prior to our invasion of Iraq was a minor problem which could have been taken care of if we had not "cut and run". It is almost as if Bush and Rove wanted more terrorists because the communist bogeyman was not working any more.
some folks just dont like it when Americans practice democracy and discuse important issues.
Ryan, California has always been on the bleeding edge, emissions control, health insurance, environmental issues, etc so maybe they think if the national congress won't step up, they should. I am glad to see that, and as you say, maybe other states will follow suit, not that the Deceiver cares one way or the other.
It may well be a waste of time however we must also acknowledge for the first time in say 6 years the Congress is not being a rubber stamp. I am not pleased with it either but I am happy that they are finally getting some guts (balls) to stand up. They need to do a lot more than this but in the do nothing Congress this is a start and might I add it's about freakin' time.
When do Limbaugh and Hannity start making fun of Bush for negotiating with terrorists? It would be funny if it weren't for the fact that the new North Korean deal gets us almost back to where we were 6 years ago...except that now Jung has a stockpile of weapons grade fissionable material and can brag that he forced GW to the negotiating table.
John Boehner stated, If we leave Iraq they(the bad guys)will follow us home, it's that simple. Same old tired Republican rhectoric. Do you really believe that there are no other bad guys but the ones in Iraq? As open as our borders are it seems it would be no problem for terrorists to walk right into our country as do 3 million illegal immigrants do each year. I just don't beleive that fighting terrorists/insurgents/Sunni/Shitti or who ever we are fighting in Iraq has anything to do with our country not being hit since 9/11.
Ryan,Mich.---I say let them waste time, the more this Iraq war is debated,talked about by the citizens and basically let some sun light shine on it the better off our country will be. I'm so tired of all this secrecy we have in government. Such as Cheney's secret energy meeting 10 days after coming into power. Yes I understand some things have to be kept secret but there is way too many meetings behind closed doors. It seems to me that Republicans don't want to talk about the war. Yes we are in this stinking war without a good way out. But Bush/Cheney and the people who got us into it needs to be investigated and if guilty of lying,spinning/twisting the reason for war, they should be hanged. Just my opinion Ryan.
Hey, Boehner! If they do follow us home (the bad guys), make sure they apply for a credit card, like all the other illegal immigrants can now do.
Ryan the people of the U.S. are just trying to get the people in Washington to be aware of their opinion concerning the military action in Iraq. American kids are getting mamed and killed daily for what most of the people in this country consider a farce. I hope every state in the union sends a resolution. The point is sooner or later if enough noise is made Washington won't be able to ignore it.
Seattle Sue - I agree with you on your asessment of our border situation. It is abysmal and needs to be dealt with immediatley. As far as not being hit since 9/11 I believe that the Iraq war has a small amount to do with it. Mainly just because it is my opinion that many terrorist organizations have focused on Iraq and my not be allocating as many resources to attacks elsewhere. To be honest with you I think that some of the reason we have not been attacked since 9/11 is just pure coincidence. What I mean by that is that between 1993 and 2001 we really weren't doing much to fight terrorism and yet we weren't attacked on our soil in those 8 years. It doesn't mean that the terrorists stopped hating us or wanting to harm us. To the contrary, I think some of our actions or better to say inactions emboldened them more. But the fact remains that during those 8 years we didn't have a foreign terrorist attack on American soil (Obviously we had Oklahoma City but that was home-grown).
Sue, if we leave Iraq we free up a group of people bent on destroying the U.S. and our way of life. They no longer have to stay over there and fight they can now come over here and cause chaos. That's why many of you don't understand how important it is for both sides if we leave we embolden our enemy. You think they can recruit now? Just wait until they tell the world how they drove American forces back. And it's not like they haven't tried to attack us since the war started they have, but we stopped them everytime. Remeber the plot on the U.S. Bank Tower (formerly Library Tower)? If the U.S. left Iraq the terrorists could then focus all of their people on fighting us here in the U.S. The terroists have stated that they are banking on our resolve to wain they are taking a gamble that if we leave they win and can recruit more terrorists. If we stay then we can keep wittling down their numbers until they no longer threaten us. But you guys on the far left don't get it. And for all of you on hte left with your Bush hate and how you all point out that Bush and company need this war to keep the Republican fear machine intact, well if that's the case why the heck doesn't he allow attacks here in the U.S.? The only reason why they even diclosed to the American people that there were planned attacks here was preassure from the Democtrat leaders.
Ryan, I remember when a town in Vermont voted to ask their representative to bring impeachment charges against Bush...this was way back when his approval rating was like 47%. It may not have done any good, as in Bush was not impeached, but it was a harbinger of things to come...
This same "follow us home" argument was used during Vietnam as "they'll be on our doorstep." It was bull then and it's bull now. The only Vietnamese who followed us here were refugees who now own liquor stores, motels and fishing boats. This argument is used as a tool of fear to control the debate on the war and keep the citizenry supportive of the Administration's efforts to wage war. If any Iraqis follow us here, it will be some of the 14% of their population who have been fleeing that country to escape the violence. "Follow us home" is just another kool-aid flavor to make this war and the dollars it's costing easier to swallow. Why do you think Jim Jones used it to poison his followers? It was only the ones who refused to drink it that got out alive.
I didn't post that pro-war crap of 10:38. Forge someone else, war monger cheat. Afraid no one will read it if you use your own mark? Or do my posts scare you?
Poor Ryan - so upet the the Peoples' business is finally being acknowledged. The war might not run endlessly for no purpose. Horrors!
Sorry Robert but the Vietnamese didn't fly airplanes into our buildings killing 3,000 innocent civilian Americans. Oh I guess that's just another fear tactict too and not reality in your world. I'm sorry you've forgotton about those deaths but I haven't. You sir are misguided and you live in a little world I want no part of.
I shouldn't post again, but I just have to tell "!" I'm not buying it. The fact is, Al Qaida is not bogged down in Iraq, but American forces are. Our involvement in Iraq is hampering our efforts to secure Afghanistan, where the real terrorists have a strong hold. Intelligence in Iraq indicates Al Qaida is not a significant part of the insurgency - the forces at war there are the Sunnis vs the Shiites, fighting for control the country. I disagree with your premise that invading Iraq kept Al Qaida from attacking the US. The truth is, we don't know how big Al Qaida is, what their goals are or what resources they have. Personally, I think they are a bunch of losers, like American Skinheads, or the KKK...how would you deal with those groups, by destroying Mississippi?
So we should stay in Iraq indefinitely on the off chance that the terrorists there will hop a boat to America if we leave? We are going to have to leave eventually, and odds are it is not going to be with a great victory. If terrorists want to attack us here, they will attack us here. Our presence in Iraq is not going to deter them, nor will our withdrawal from Iraq encourage them to come here and hit us.
Sorry Ryan. I did not know free speech would be so bad. Why can not people voice their disapproval of this war. It might be trivial to you because it is against your best interest. Why not have a vote on whether you are for or against Bush's handling of this war. Ryan, can the fear mongering about Clinton years and saying nothing was done. God you republicans twist reality and facts to justify your position. Ryan their were 2 attacks on American soil during Clinton's time. The first attack on the WTC bldg. Funny Ryan, we caught that guy and he is in prison. The second attack was the Oklahoma bombing. Funny Ryan, the person in charge of this has been captured and sent to death. Ryan, Where the hell is the person responsible for 9-11. Ryan, it is nice to see you follow the republican/nazi line of thinking. Cherry pick facts and distort reality all in the name of the party. Ryan, remember the party is more important then your fellow americans. He would never skew evidence to protect his party. Ryan would not send soldiers to their deaths for purely political reasons. Not, Ryan will do whatever he can to protect the republican party. If it require more americans to die for their vision of the world so be it. If that means lying about what happened during the Clinton years then so be it. The bottom line is protect the party. They have no problem sending other people to die for themselves, But ask a republican to serve and they will give you a million reasons not to serve, but use millions of reason to start a war.
Sorry Ryan. I did not know free speech would be so bad. Why can not people voice their disapproval of this war. It might be trivial to you because it is against your best interest. Why not have a vote on whether you are for or against Bush's handling of this war. Ryan, can the fear mongering about Clinton years and saying nothing was done. God you republicans twist reality and facts to justify your position. Ryan their were 2 attacks on American soil during Clinton's time. The first attack on the WTC bldg. Funny Ryan, we caught that guy and he is in prison. The second attack was the Oklahoma bombing. Funny Ryan, the person in charge of this has been captured and sent to death. Ryan, Where the hell is the person responsible for 9-11. Ryan, it is nice to see you follow the republican/nazi line of thinking. Cherry pick facts and distort reality all in the name of the party. Ryan, remember the party is more important then your fellow americans. He would never skew evidence to protect his party. Ryan would not send soldiers to their deaths for purely political reasons. Not, Ryan will do whatever he can to protect the republican party. If it require more americans to die for their vision of the world so be it. If that means lying about what happened during the Clinton years then so be it. The bottom line is protect the party. They have no problem sending other people to die for themselves, But ask a republican to serve and they will give you a million reasons not to serve, but use millions of reason to start a war.
Amy those groups are not using airplanes and bombs to destroy a large number of Americans. While I detest those groups when is the last time you heard that the KKK was trying to obtain nuclear weaponry to obliterate Americans. These terroists don't discriminate and they have a vested intrest in Iraq and will take credit for our departure regardless of how many of them are actually doing the fighting. Regardless when's the last time you saw a bunch of thugs take out two skyscrapers? You can chose to believe that it's a passing threat that's your right and I'm sure that if we pull out and eventually get hit again a few years from now because we've emboldened our enemies you'll still find a way to blame Bush.
Amy - someone is forging "!". Typical right wing cowardice. "Denigrate. Obfuscate. Reiterate." I relinquish "!" and will use it no more. No problem, lying, cheating rovian creep - it's the words, not the signature that makes me better than you. The only original thought my admirere ever has is when he needs to use the bathroom. Could your name be "Chris"?
"!" the real "!" not this new fake "!" - I thought that first post sounded too rational and thought out to be you. Amy - I'm not sure what intelligence you are quoting when you say that "Al Qaida is not a significant part of the insurgency". This recent report from the New York Sun says otherwise. http://www.nysun.com/article/47363?page_no=1 I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong I'm just saying that some of the things I have been reading suggest the opposite.
! no Iraqis flew into our buildings and killed people. If I am not mistaken they were mostly Saudis. I will repeat it for you so even you can understand AL-QUAIDA and IRAQ are NOT the same entity. I don't want to live in a world where I have to have an enemy to justify my own existence or beliefs.
! no more: This is getting out of hand. The troll control here needs a retool. This blog will break down if trolls are allowed to take over as in the Boehner post of yesterday. The original post was about John Boehner's tears and ended up with some troll ranting in serial posts about how nobody but him knew anything about body armor, what the troops really think, and some somewhere in this mush was some extraneous tripe about abortion. Kind of spoils the point doesn't it Mark, Huma, and Elizabeth?
bobf - nice to hear from you again my friend. First off I have no problem with people speaking thier minds. And if Congress wants to spend its time passing a resoultion that will have no affect on the much hated "surge" then that is their perogative. Just as its mine to opine that I think they are wasting time. You are right about the guy that tried to blow up the WTC the first time. We arrested him. Using your logic then we should not be in Afghanistan because the individual people that blew up the towers on 9/11 are dead and so justice has been served. The people directly responsible for 9/11 are dead just as the person directly responsible for the first WTC bombing is in jail. I don't think I have lied about anything that went on during the Clinton years. If I have then please let me know specifics so I can apologize for them.
Oh, goody -- a two-year political campaign on the backs of dead GIs based on reminding American voters at every opportunity of who got us into this mess, while allowing that same malefactor to continue to call the shots! 'Course, by the time the Dems obtain the White House, Smirk will have dug us in so deeply that they'll just have to stay the course in exactly the sort of long-running, semi-permanent, endless war the Bushistas originally planned -- but, oops! Nothing we can do about it now except institute a draft, raise taxes, and screw our courage to the sticking point!
Ryan Michigan, the only wat to win the war against the Isalmic terrorists is to not give them a reason to hate America. It all boils down to the Israeli -Palestinian issue. We have, for far too long, blindly supported Israel, when we should have been pushing much harder for an autonomous Palestinian state. The terrorists do not hate us because of our freedoms, they hate us for supporting Israel and supporting Arab royalty and dictators that have oppresssed the masses for decades. We defeat the terrorists by getting the hell out of the Middle East. My view may be simplistic, but I believe it addresses the root of the problem.
Its not really forging, if I were you I would use the ? because that pretty much sums up your anger over a symbol. Better than you, Wow!!! Calm down, Ryan from Michigan is using my name and you dont see me attacking him with all that hostility.
before the Iraq war, there were several city governments across the nation that passed legislation opposing the war. They refelcted their constituents.
!, the real one, sad that someone feels they have to hijack your moniker.Maybe they hope to shut down the blog that way.
I am taking a pure objective stance. We are at war: i.e., our soldiers are in a foreign country, fighting and dying. We have a President who has decided to follow this course to defeat our enemies. Now, either you agree with this situation, or you oppose it. If there is SUCH an outcry to end this war NOW, and if this opinion permeates the entire country, as the mainstream press so declares, then, its time for all the democrats, moderate republicans, and the american people to demand an immediate vote on articles of impeachment. Its time for the wimpy politicians to STAND UP and vote their beliefs and convictions, and get this political conflict, that is tearing at the seams of America, over with, one way or another. Let democracy rule, let the politicians vote like the future of our country depends on it (it does). Get on with the true democratic process, or get OFF GW's back for good. Lines are drawn: insist our elected officials grow a set, and VOTE.
Nothing benefits Al Qaida more than having America bogged down in Iraq, caught in the crossfire of a civil war. Sure, they may crow that America was beaten if we withdrawl, but crowing won't make it so. We are not beaten, we haven't lost, we overcame and removed a tyrant, and now the country is in a civil war to determine who will replace him. The civil war is exacerbated by our presence, so we are withdrawing to allow Iraqis to figure it out themselves. If we stay in Iraq then we will lose...Afghanistan will disintegrate, allowing the terrorists to regain their base, we will get entangled with Iran as they back the Iraqi Shittes, more money and arms and American servicepeople sucked into Iraq like, as one poster said, the former USSR was drained by its war in Chechnia...my point about treating terrorists like the KKK is that small, dangerous groups require a different approach then, say, if Iran or China decided to attack us. Invading Iraq was not a real smart way to confront a nebulous, multi-celled organization like Al Qaida. When have thugs been known to take down skyscrapers? Try Oklahoma City, Timothy Mc Veigh. Hundreds killed. What was our response? Create barriers in front of Federal buildings to prevent trucks from being parked close enough to take them down...track fertilizer sales...infiltrate extremist hate groups...you know, measures that are effective at preventing attacks by any group or individual, foreign or domestic.
""!" the real "!" not this new fake "!" - I thought that first post sounded too rational and thought out to be you. " .... You think GWB is "rational" and "thoughtful" - really proves the value of a full-blown psychosis. Desmond - it shows their desparation - it's a sign that we're winning!
bobf - I did respond to your post. As of yet it has not been posted. I'm not sure why. I will wait a couple more hours and see if it get posted. Otherwise I will respond again.
Oh there it is. Nevermind I must've glanced right over my own post. Sorry.
So far, when it comes to Bush's record on moves he's made to serve the people, he has been right far less times than a slot machine coughs up quarters. To the best of my knowledge, he has a worse record than that on Iraq. If he's done anything right there, it would take a more highly trained eye than mine to determine what it would be. In these two areas his record so far of correct guessing is so much worse that what it would be by chance alone, (making decisions by flipping a coin), that it's halarious. The one area he has been on target each time has been right only from the viewpoint of billionaires, including invading Iraq, which has been a money tree for American corporations, who have stolen more there than the gross national product of most nations. This leads me to believe that thes people are standing behind Bush on the majority of issues. I believe if you got on your computer and started going down the line of each piece of legisletion the Republican majority has handed to Bush and he has signed, you would end up with the conclusion that from the viewpoing of corporation chieftains, he would be considered one of America's great presidents. The elite and the peasantry have two different notions of what is a good decision and what is a bad one. To the people who really matter in this country, Bush is doing just fine.
Roberto, Roberto, Roberto, Catalano, Salem OR ...I'm baaack. You are mistaken you don't seem to understand what ! is trying to tell you. Al-Quaida has a vested interest in Iraq who the heck do you think al-zarqawi worked for the Pope? So it seems the terroists know this, our soldiers know this, the Bush administration knows this, people of rational thought know this...am I leaving anybody out?...Oh yeah you Roberto and every one else that believs in Hate Mongering and say they don't support the war but they support our troops. How convinient do you spit on our disabled troops at your "peace rallys?" Because that has happened wether you have the courage to admit it or not. How can you oppose the war and still say you suppport the troops when the majority of the troops just want to win? Isn't that counterproductive? That's where the logic leaves the conversation. And the poloticians (Demacrats) who promised an end to the war, some even talked of impeachment...Well we're waiting. Like they really care about anything other than your vote and regaining power you and th rest of you have been duped. Now I watch as everyone tries like heck to find anything good with what they are doing to stop the war...funny thing is it really isn't much is it. I have spoken my peoples" I have Spoken!
Robert "! no Iraqis flew into our buildings and killed people. If I am not mistaken they were mostly Saudis" Al-Quaeda is totally dependant on us leaving Iraq don't you get that? Right now Iraq is where the battle is are you saying that Al - Quaeda can't fight in Iraq because it would mess with your logic? Because that's what it sounds like to me.
Mark Thieme's post of 11:51 here was in error. In fact, TWO of the MSNBC First Read posts were hijacked by trolls yesterday. In addition to the Boehner blog which was derailed by a troll changing the subject to abortion, First Glance was appropriated by a self-amusing troll who knew everything about body armor and pretty much everything else. Trolls do increase the hits here, and as one troll said to another yesterday, he(?) just likes to register an inflammatory post to watch the fun. Kind of like leaving a bag of burning poop on somebody's front porch, ringing the doorbell and running like hell. LOL indeed! If MSNBC wants to run a trollway for fun and profit, who are we, who enjoy an honest sharing of opinion, to argue with General Electric? Does sort of spoil it for the purists who just want to vent and read some amateur opinions without that all the smoke the nasty smell at the front door.
"Al-Quaeda is totally dependant on us leaving Iraq don't you get that? " Like all the right wing screamers on here, you possess "facts" that come from your science-illiterate mis-understanding of what a "fact" is. Too bad the straw-man army you hide behide can't fight in Iraq.
!!(the imposter) You don't deserve an answer but I will make this one exception. Iraq didn't fly planes into the world trade center. You must be as big a coward as 5 deferrment Dick and daddy get me into the national guard George. Why don't you crawl out from under your rock and act like a man.
! me too. I was not saying Al-Quaida is not in Iraq. I was saying Al-Quaida and Iraq under Saddam Hussein was two separate enteties. The Congrssional hearings have stated this, the CIA has confirmed this as have people in other intelligence agencies here and abroad. I have no problem with taking out Osama Bin-Laden. However, Iraq did not attack us. Iraqis do not want to follow us over here. If we had taken out Osama instaed of attacking Iraq we would not be fighting a losing battle with an insurgency we created by attacking Iraq. Spunky Munky, I have been to war. I have killed. I have been shot at and wounded. You can have your opinion, this is America and you are entitled to it, however, most soldiers fighting aren't concerned about "winning"; they are concerned about staying alive and getting back home in one piece. Sure, they'd like to win but staying alive becomes more important. Even those who unselfishly risk their lives do not do it to win, they do it on a spur of the moment wish to do some greater good. Your comments prove to me you have never been to war, been shot at or had to risk your life for anyone else. If you had, you would know that in war for the individual soldier, surviving is winning. As for supporting the troops but opposing the war, it is a very logical position. Our troops are young men and women who chose to enter the service for their own reasons and are willing to risk their lives for their beliefs and their country. This is what they sign up to do. However, they do not have the choice as to where they are sent, if a war is justifiable or to go against their orders to fight. If they are sent on a hopeless mission, it is not their fault. It is the fault of those who send them. I applaud every young person who does service for their country, whether it is to fight a war, disease, poverty, or anything else they choose to do. However, we should make sure we have responsible people in office to send them on missions that are responsible. I'm sorry, Munkey, but the way the administration chose to win the peace in Iraq was not responsible. Putting troops in the middle of a sectarian civil war is not responsible.
Hey Mark what was there really to discuss about the article yesterday? The only reason that I brought up abortion in the first place was because there was nothing constructive about the comments being made. If you noticed after the topic was changed there was actually some good discussions on both sides on many different issues. If you did not want to take part in that you have the option to turn the ol computer off. These groups of terrorist dont need reason to hate Americans, its taught through there religion to occupy land they once lived on and to destoy anyone that opposes them. They belive this to their core. Jihad is not a joke, they are willing to die for their cause and believe they will recieve the ulitmate reward from Allah. There is no reasoning with these people and its not a small group like the media sometimes trys to portrey. So talks of diplomacy just wont work, it just gives them more time to plan and more time to recruit.
Oops. The concluding line of Mark Thieme's last post is garbled. Should read: "Does sort of spoil it for the purists who just want to vent and read some amateur opinions without all the smoke and the nasty smell at the front door."
While it is annoying to have an internet handle stolen, I think too much is being made of the issue. Anyone who thought the hijacked posts from !'s dopelganger were actually from ! hasn't been reading the forums very long. At the end of the day, the life an internet forum troll is pretty much the punishment for being an internet forum troll. I advise either ignoring them or confronting them. But when we complain about their childish tactics you feed them. And feeding trolls is something that we should all try not to do.
the siftbaoters are easy to spot so just call it like it is..they will say anything to try and derail DEMOCRACY in action but DEMOCRACY will WIN and that is the important war here at home...
Ryan,Mich.--Thanks for being polite. I agree with you on not being attavked again here at home. I don't know why, but I don't believe it's because we are fighting (them) over there. RYAN,Ne. nobody,I repeat nobody will mistake your postings for Ryan's Of Mich. THE ORIGINAL ! the first post of THE FAKE ! told me that it was not you.
I wasnt really serious about Ryan Michigan of taking my name and passing it off as me. I was responding more to the reaction of ! Getting awfully mad at these so called trolls. Quick question are these similar to the trolls that worked for Edwards on the net, if so why dont we talk about there behavior towards the christians in this country and why they were not immediatly fired for their vulgar postings.


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