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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:17 AM by Mark Murray
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The Washington Post covers the White House's credibility problem when it comes to intelligence about Iran: "The administration, conscious of its low credibility, believes it has gone out of its way to convince doubters that Iran is not Iraq all over again...  Much as the Vietnam Syndrome dogged the foreign and military policies of a generation of U.S. presidents, the Iraq Syndrome has become an ever-present undercurrent in Washington." 

The New York Times says Bush’s statement yesterday that certain factions inside the Iranian government are supplying Shiite militants with roadside bombs that have killed US troops "amounted to his most specific accusation to date that Iran was undermining security in Iraq.  They appeared to be part of a concerted effort by the White House to present a clearer, more direct case that Iran was supplying the potent weapons - and to push back against criticism that the intelligence used in reaching the conclusions was not credible.” 

For the House debate over the non-binding resolution opposing a troop increase, "The extent of the Republican opposition to Bush's plan is the only suspense left," says USA Today

House Democratic aides pointed out yesterday that Bush's speech happened to be scheduled for the same time when the biggest detractors of a troop increase within his own party's ranks were set to speak on the House floor.  The Los Angeles Times covers the group of 11 Republicans who spoke out.  "What remains unclear is how many GOP war critics will get behind the next step in the debate - Democratic efforts to go beyond symbolic opposition to Bush's pursuit of his Iraq policy."  Also today, Rep. John Murtha is expected "to announce a strategy for imposing limits on Bush's ability to carry out the troop increase." 

Murtha will deliver a videotaped message to MoveOn members at house parties across the country tonight, urging them to write their members of Congress and call for them to oppose Bush's planned troop increase.

The Washington Times notes that Democratic leaders yesterday tried to keep a lid on an intraparty fight of their own, quelling "voices within their own party who want to 'defund' the war in Iraq, while Republicans said that is exactly what the majority party intends to do." 

Roll Call's Stuart Rothenberg looks down the road at whether or not Republican lawmakers will manage to distance themselves from Bush over Iraq in the next two years.  "It is almost impossible for GOP Members of Congress to talk about Iraq - about what is happening on the ground and about what to do about it - without being drawn into a discussion of the president and his policies.  Even more than that, Republicans will have to figure out what they’ll do about - and with - the president when their national convention rolls around 18 months from now.  Does anybody really believe that Republicans will be able to put together a convention that ignores the president of the United States?"

The Boston Herald details the proposal Sen. John Kerry (D) will introduce today, which will seek "to punish war profiteers, root out cronyism in post-war contract awards and give new protections to whistleblowers." 

The Chicago Tribune writes that the husband of failed House candidate Tammy Duckworth (D), who lost both legs serving in Iraq, is now being deployed to Iraq himself. 

Australian Prime Minister John Howard's attack on Sen. Barack Obama (D) has forced the "main contenders in this year’s Australian federal elections... into a surprisingly early and forceful debate on the country’s involvement in the US-led coalition in Iraq," says the Financial Times.  Howard suggested last weekend that "that terrorists would want Mr Obama elected because of his proposal to withdraw US troops from Iraq by March 2008...  The spat has left political commentators questioning the normally astute centre-right prime minister’s judgment." 

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Chris, thanks for finally telling us how you know all this stuff, and what you've been doing over there. These folks, including me, just wanted to know more about from whence you speak. I admit to being a smart ass, but I really meant no offense, and what you call accusation was more like sarcastic speculation, what with all the mystery, etc. You have to admit you've been talking down to some of these folks just a little, although you are polite and respectful. Now that I know that you also "walk the walk", I, for one, offer my sincerest apology.
No need to apologize. But sometimes it gets me fired up, especially when I have FAMILY members tell me "that's not what Newsweek said", or my favorite "I can't believe you support that, making those people have to be away from their families, risk their lives and live in tents". Hello, I've been there, done that!
My Mom's like that too.
Chris, Abilene, TX said *Linda, I've seen several formats used around the world.........I've seen month/day/year in places like Kuwait and Qatar as well. You're saying you have definitive proof, when you're speculating.* I don't care about what format of calendar date you have seen in Kuwait or Qatar or other parts of the world as you claim. Obviously you don't know that Kuwait or Qatar are Arabic countries with DIFFERENT alphabet and Language than Iran. In Iran the language is FARSI and it is very different than Arabic language and the calendar date in Farsi format is always written in the format of day/month/year or year/month/day and NEVER as month/day/year. Ask some of your Iranian friends to explain it to you. You may learn something new. The Date marking on the “Iranian Anti-Tank Rocket Propelled Grenades” shown in slide #15 of the officially released Power Point Presentation of the Sunday 02-11-07 by Senior U.S. military officials in Iraq is FABRICATED. It seems to be a forgery/phony. As it is seen in one of the pictures of slide #15 the line under the number marking”P.G.7-AT-1” shows the marking “LOT: 5-31-2006” as an apparent manufacturing date of this grenade. Why this date marking LOT: 5-31-2006 is a fabrication? Because ONLY in United States it is customary to write a calendar date as “month-day-year”. The rest of the world (O.K. in Europe, Iran, etc.) is accustomed to write a calendar date as “day-month-year”. So I am speculating that this marking of Lot: 5-31-2006 is done by someone/entity that is accustomed with American way of writing a calendar date and not a European or Iranian way of writing a calendar date. I picked this observation from the interview of Iran's Ambassador to the United Nations with Charlie Rose broadcasted on 02-13-07 and decided to check it for myself. Also, beside this belligerent fabrication have anyone wondered why would Iranian arm factories put a “Return Address” of serial number and fabrication date that equate to “Made in Iran within the past year” on such sensitive weapons ????.....that were smuggled into Iraq….. by Iraqi hired smugglers???? Also, why these markings are in English and not in Persian? Please CHECK into it. P.S. The Power Point Presentation cited in Washington Post, in on-line column of Dan Froomkin dated 12-02-06. Posted at http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/iran-in-iraq/?resultpage=1&
Tread lightly Chris, because I didn't ever say any of those things to you. SO STOP GENERALIZING. I think his words were eloquent and I happen to agree with them. THAT IS MY OPINION. Just because you state something Chris, that does NOT make it the Gospel. I agree with Robert, and I have the right to express that. So, therefore, be very careful who you generalize about, because making false statements like the one you just made, may make others question all your statements. Something resembling the current administration. I am sure you are familiar, just wont admit it!
chris, you say are a pilot with the Air Force. You say you were wounded with an Iran weapon. You say you know all Humvees are equipped.I say to you," WHO ARE YOU? -The Who
Chris: The point is that the US is fighting Sunnis. The Shias that may be getting arms from Iran are not fighting the US but Sunnis (ex-Baathists + Al Queda). Bush is lying about Iran sending arms that kill Americans. As for getting rid of the militias. How good a job is the US doing protecting Iraqis ? How good a job is the US doing protecting Shias ? Should the Shias just lay down and die ? By what right does Bush say that only the US can send arms to Iraq ? By what right does Bush say that the US and Israel can have nukes but not Iran ? Even after Iraq disarmed, they were attacked and invaded by Bush. If I were Iranian, I'd want nukes. Who gave Bush the authority to decide who can and can't have nukes ? Is he really the Decider ?
Still Crazy, I never said I was "wounded" with anything. Read my posts again.
Linda, I know what Farsi is. I also know how to read Arabic numbers. However, despite having different number symbols, they often us western number symbols as well. So what?
I predict swiftbaoters will say they have proof but cannot show it, I predict swiftbaoters will say I have seen but will not offer proof, I predict swiftbaoters will say if you do not do as I say then you are hateful and mean, I predict swiftbaoters think everyone else are fools.
Chris - Once again, you missed my point. My post was not about wanting the US to destroy all of our WMD's; it was solely about our hypocrisy in the US demanding that other countries - sovereign nations - destory theirs. I don't really need you to patronize me about the difficulty facing a leader having to make these sorts of decisions; I'm not nearly as stupid as you seem to believe. Anyway, once again: I don't care if we have WMD's, but if we get to have them we have no business telling another country it can't have them...unless we are willing to let other countries tell us the same thing. I think there is little doubt that we are not willing to do that.
Chris I will give you ctredit for being a fast typist. You beat the heck out of me, couldn't help but notice how little time pasts between your posts.
Now...this is what I heard.....Jon Stewart, The Daily Show, said Iran is furnishing arms to the Sunnis, Saudi is furnishing arms to Iran, and Russia is furnishing arms to Saudi, and South Asia is furnishing arms to Russia....... My money's on Jon the man. Sorry Chris.
In August 2006, the Israeli army displayed captured weapons and equipment from Lebanon– including anti-tank rockets, artillery, mortars, machine guns, rifles, advanced night-vision equipment, communications gear and bulletproof vests. But the weapons that proved particularly effective for Hezbollah were anti-tank rockets, from basic RPGs and Sagger missiles to advanced Russian-made Fagot and Kornet anti-tank systems and the European French Milan anti-tank missile. There were more weapons from foreign countries captured by Israel in the 34 DAY "WAR" than the US Military claims to have captured in 4 YEARS in IRAQ. The US Military Chief of Staff, General Pace claims the weapons displayed Sunday in Iraq were manufactured in IRAN but, he had no proof the Iranian Government was involved. President Bush claims the President of IRAN Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's is manufacturing these weapons in government Bunker by members of QUDS FORCE. Today President Bush said ‘I’m going to do something about it.’ Why didn't President Bush threaten to bomb Russia, France, India and other Nations that manufactured these weapons found in Lebanon OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP? They were being used against one of our "BEST" Allies, Israel. Does it have anything to do with OIL? Does it have anything to do with a failed Foreign Policy with Iran and their pursuit of Nuclear Weapons. Do we have another WAG THE DOG Operation in play. Divert focus from the disaster in Iraq by shinning a light on IRAN?
Jon Stewart needs to take a look at the facts. Saudi's are equipped with French and US weapons, not Russian. Why would Iran support the Sunnis? Iran is a Shiite nation. Saudi Arabia does not like Iran (Saudi is a Sunni nation). Go to Globalsecurity.org and take a look. Syria, Iran, Yemen, Iraq and Egypt operates Russian equipment. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Israel, and Jordan all operate US and/or French equipment. I think it's silly that people in general will put all their trust in news media types that have little to no experience in military affairs.
I wouldn't disagree with the POTUS. It makes sense, in an unbiased sort of way, that Iran would arm the Shiites. The question is, should we do anything to Iran about it? Before you answer, remember, we armed the mujahadeen in Afghanistan for years after the Soviets invaded; and we are arming one side or another in various conflicts now. So, what ever 'right' you think the US has in responding to Iran's involvement; would you believe that (let's say) the Palestinians have that same right?
Lighten up Chris....Jon Stewart is not even a "news media type" man. "The Daily Show" is on the Comedy Channel. My post was tongue-in-cheek. Smooth your feathers down buddy..."YOU're still 'my' hero.". The Comedy Channel is a wonderful place to get a whole new perception of what is going on in Washington. Being so busy, you probably don't get a chance to watch it very often, but I highly recommend it as a reprieve from the stress of your occupation. P.S.-At the end of that skit they also said "Kevin Bacon is supplying Southeast Asia.". My bad for not finishing that post, as you would have seen it was not one they gave in all seriousness. If you think it's "silly" for me to watch the Comedy Channel, so be it. The once humorous antics from Bush have turned into a "Tragedy" now. I will only smile again at this office when the curtains go down. I should have taken more notice of the preliminary reviews.
That bush is lying again should come as not surprise to any of us. I didn't realize the depth of his contempt for veterans and our military until I read this article by Molly Ivins: http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2004/906 Wake up America. If you are not a two-percenter, you don't matter. PS. I'm a veteran too (101st & Group). PSS. Ex-Marine - there is no such thing. You don't exist.
" I think it's silly that people in general will put all their trust in news media types that have little to no experience in military affairs. " No sillier than putting your trust in Chicken Hawk politicians with....."little to no experience in military affairs." but you seem OK with that.


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