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Posted: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:21 AM by Huma Zaidi
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Strick says that at Reid's weekly news conference yesterday, he insisted Democrats were "united" against the president's war strategy. But he also said, "There has not yet been a determination made ... as to how we will finalize our legislative approach to this. There are a number of different ways we can go." And he refused to say which strategy he preferred. "I have a preference of making sure that I have my arms around the entire caucus before I put my name on an amendment."

Meanwhile, NBC’s Mike Viqueira notes that House Democrats met for an hour and half behind closed doors last night to come to a consensus position on Bush’s war spending request for Iraq. Bottom line: They are still talking. They appear to be moving towards something along the lines of what Rep. John Murtha (D) has proposed -- tying the funds to troop readiness levels with the possibility of a presidential waiver. However, leading antiwar Dems like Rep. Lynn Woolsey say that they will not vote for any bill that continues funding the war. A final decision, Viq says, is due within the next ten days to two weeks.

The New York Times writes that after they emerged from their meeting, House Democrats “sought to rebut the Republican charge that the troops would suffer from their efforts to change the administration’s troop buildup in Iraq. ‘Let me be clear,’ Ms. Pelosi told reporters. ‘We will fund the troops.’”

The Chicago Tribune: “Democratic leaders remain fearful that if they do not handle the situation deftly, Republicans will paint them as micromanaging the war and failing to support the troops. On the other hand, many of the voters and groups that helped the Democrats win in November may grow frustrated and impatient if the party does not take strong action to challenge Bush's initiatives in Iraq.”

Looks like Rep. Murtha isn't the only Democrat seeing his latest proposal for Iraq jeopardized by a too-early release. "Senate Democrats are accusing their leaders of mismanaging the twin efforts to block President Bush's troop surge in Iraq and force a quicker end to the war," The Politico reports. "Senate insiders faulted [Foreign Relations chair Joe] Biden and, to a lesser extent, [Armed Services chair Carl] Levin, for telegraphing their plans to Republicans prematurely -- before most members were fully briefed on it.” In an effort to promote transparency in journalism, The Politico's editor-in-chief writes on the site that he actually coined the term "slow-bleed" in the process of editing a reporter's story. The term originally was used in a Politico report about Democrats' efforts to narrow President Bush's options on Iraq, but Republicans have seized upon the term to accuse Democrats of trying to deprive US troops of necessary support.

Bush's new director of national intelligence testified before a Senate committee yesterday that the term "civil war 'accurately describes key elements of the Iraqi conflict.'" He also "cited achievements in Iraq, including efforts by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to bridge sectarian divisions and an increase in the number and quality of Iraqi security forces." 

Appeal for Redress, an organization of more than 1,600 active-duty soldiers speaking out against the continuing military presence in Iraq, held a conference call with reporters yesterday about the movement’s appeal to Congress to act against the Bush Administration’s troop increase. “These are soldiers who are not going AWOL, not resigning, but serving faithfully and love their country -- but at same time have a questioning attitude and misgivings about the war,” said Navy petty officer Jonathan Hutto, co-founder of the movement. Because active-duty personnel cannot officially organize dissenting movements, Appeal for Redress has been depending primarily on its Web site and media coverage, and has seen its numbers grow by several hundred since CBS’ 60 Minutes aired a piece about the group last Sunday.

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M.E., Albany, Ga.: uh, yes it DOES, whether you are either too naive, or too angry, or too dumb to realize it.
Rick said it all- "Yes our troops are sick and tired of the war efforts at home and are bright enough to see it for the political game it is." You indeed validate my point that it is a "political game". But...to jtb/Rick you have no right to question "my" loyalty to the "troops". Maybe you should look at them as living, breathing human beings, and not just collectively as "troops". Most of them having never had the chance to even start a life before their life is over. I also don't have to state my credentials to validate my argument in this matter. You'll hear no war stories from me. Go have another beer.
Mike PAV and Rick - So you tell me, if a (any) president were to say, take our military and invade Great Britain or some other similar country just because he wanted to conquer it, you seriously would sit back and say nothing? If you truly believed that civilian leadership was misusing our military, you would keep your mouth's closed, no matter how many military men and women died? I think we can agree that it's our civilian leadership that comes up with the goal of a mission and it's policies right (or am I wrong there)? Why can I not distinguish between what I believe are bad policies and having respect for military men and women who must go where the president sends them? If I don't agree with a policy, even though that policy affects my life (which this does, as my loved one is in Baghdad now), I just have to sit there and shutup? That's not the American way. And Rick, I know some military members that don't think we should be in Iraq and don't think we can change the course of what is happening now(it doesn't mean they aren't giving 100%). Everyone has their own perspective. It's a mixed bag. Rick, when you say "the effort" what do you mean? I support the effort of eradicating the use of terrorism as a tactic. I don't believe our current policies are helping to eradicate terrorism, at least not in Iraq, that's what I don't support. If there was a real change in policy that did show some improvement I would be behind it. I cannot be behind a policy that has failed to make long term improvements in violence with my loved one's life at stake.
M.E.: here, I'll spell it out in simple terms: If YOU were Osama or Zawahiri, what would be your response to all the political withering criticism of the Bush administration and its Iraq policy? : 1: shake in your turban, afraid that, with all the support at home, Bush may decide to nuke their sorry derrieres off the planet., or 2: jump for joy at all the opposition, think about what happened in 'Nam, and hold on until Bush is either impeached, or the last American soldier is removed. this is not a trick question, and, yes, M.E., it is this black and white.
Reinstate the draft. Then all of the rich war mongers with children 18 and up will rethink their stance on this war Bush created. And as usual when there is nothing else to attack, we have to go for the "you can't support our troop but not the war" conversation. Maybe it is simply that we don't want them to die for a senseless cause that, just because you spoke with 7 men who were gung ho about their "job", doesn't mean I can't find 14 that say there is no VICTORY here.
Over 10% of the adult U.S. population served in WWII. Less than half of 1% is currently serving. And with approximately half of those currently serving thinking the war was a mistake, that's probably not enough voices to get Gerorge Bush's attention.
Whoops...mispelled George...it's been a long day.
jtb - So what, according to you, is the proper way to dissent? Does everyone always have to agree with whatever the president says (or for that matter what you say)? Did you agree with Clinton's decision to go into Bosnia or Somalia? If our military was already there and you didn't agree, does that make you treasonous or dumb? Please remember that Iraq did not attack us on 9/11, Bin Laden and his Saudi cronies did, and I see we are no closer to catching and punishing him. Bush's Iraq policy has not created a safer Iraq. In point of fact, violence is worse now than three years ago. No one is saying that Saddam didn't deserve what he got, but it used to be, in Iraq, that Shia and Sunni could intermarry and for the most part didn't much care which sect another person believed in (check the facts). Not now. Another point in fact, in Afghanistan, the country that did harbor people that attacked us, the Taliban and Al Qaeda is resurging, there is rampant corruption in the government, the drug (opium) trade is very high. I don't see how we finished the mission there. It's time for the people who consistently say that by stating one's belief that the war isn't going well, that we are helping the enemy, to explain why we should trust the Bush administration after four years of straight-up deceit ("we are winning", "the terrorists are in the last throes", "no civil war"), and no progress in reducing violence or in producing Iraqi battalions that can truly stand on their own. You're for it, why should we trust? Straight answer please.
Take your "we support you" message to a flightline where hundreds of military members are waiting to board their deployment plane, standing there with their loved ones. Take it there and see how quickly you are shown where you can shove your "message". You are not needed nor wanted by the military community.
Hey, Mindi, when you are in a War, there should be No dissent. The time for discussion Should be BEFORE we send our troops. Once they are sent, we remain united behind them until 1) we are victorious, or 2) we are annihilated and defeated. And we should uses EVERY weapon in our arsenal to defeat the enemy. Once the shooting starts, there are only two outcomes: victory or defeat. Why is that so hard for you libs to comprehend?
Susan: if they reinstate the draft, they will draft EVERYONE, and I'm afraid we will have to insist that women be drafted for combat roles, too. Still think the draft is a good idea?
Rick- "You are not needed nor wanted by the military community". Strange you chose to tell me that this morning. Baaad timing "man". The devil came down to Georgia last night in the form of 5 tornadoes in 3hrs. , and I received a call at 0930 to fly with some patients being evac'd. Think I wasn't "really" needed or wanted? Ask those 6 people I helped load in the pouring rain and gave med care to on that pick-up. Could have fooled me. I'm glad you clarified my status. I'm tired, hungry and sleepy, so you can rant all you want for the rest of the day. "Elvis has left the building" for a few days.
jtb - There should be no dissent after a war is started? Are you kidding? Just like the question I asked Rick and Mike, which neither bothered to answer, If you truly believed the military was being misused by the civilian government, say for example for personal gain, you would seriously say nothing if fighting was going on already, no matter how many died? Why is it so hard for you to understand that many people believe our military is being misused by making them police a civil war? The thing I can't comprehend is throwing more and more people at a problem, using the same policy that is obviously not making any progress. There is no reason I should continue to be behind a policy that has a good chance of getting my loved one killed, for no progress. You show me some long-term progress being made in reducing the violence in Baghdad and the surrounding areas, where the largest percentage of the Iraqi people are, and I may change my mind, but it would be foolish to remain behind the same old policies that have obviously made no difference in the past, which are not accomplishing the mission, through no fault of the military, but through fault of civilian leadership making the policies and not being willing to truly change strategies or policies when past policies have shown they aren't working.
If this debate was so important, why did they put it off?
Draft, my kids have a friend (Army. M.P.) who will be surprised to learn that when her squad came under attack and she fired back she wasn't in combat. She somehow managed to deal with the IEDs, too. Gosh, she even gave up nail polish.
SO,if you support the war, Bush, the surge, all of the death and maiming...you support the troops. If you are against the war, the surge, all of the death and maiming...you don't support the troops. If you want the troops to be safe and not be killed you are against them?? Perfectly clear...I didn't realize that wanting these men and women to die in a war based on false information was how we are to support them. Gosh...I better take notes, that doesn't make one damn bit of sense to me.
Unfortunately you completely misunderstood the point of my statement. My point is that the way the military is set up is to entice people who need the money. My younger sister just signed up for the reserve and was shipped to basic on Tuesday. The reason she signed up. . . because she wanted the money to be able to afford to go to school. She believes, and I don't mean to sound like this was a direct statement, but she was led to believe she wouldn't be shipped out. How can you do that to anyone. "Go ahead and sign up, there is all this money in it for you, and the liklihood of having to 'go' is minimal". She is a 19 year old kid, that kind of money is HUGE. MY POINT, which unfortunately was COMPLETELY escaped you, is that if the draft were reinstated, the rich bureaucrats who right now are sitting on their hands because there is no cost to themselves would maybe stand up for something and not be endorsing a war with no merit. To answer your question, YES if it went that far as to actually reinstate it, I would expect that women would be drafted as well. So don't even try to put me up on a soap box that doesn't exist. NOW, Rick in Germany and all others who insinuate that there is no division between supporting the troops and supporting the cause. Ask me again. There is a very VERY real chance that when my sisters basic training is over she will be shipped over seas because in July when she is out, most likely Bush will have forced us into Iran as well. THERE IS NO WINNING HERE. So let's get off our hands and end this senseless dying and killing. Everytime I have asked someone to define winning in Iraq to me. . . no on will do it. Winning to me. . is my sister not having to go. And if she does have to go. . . winning is ALL our troops coming home with the least amount of blood shed possible. WAR SHOULD BE THE LAST RESORT, not the first!!!!!!!


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