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A-Hunting We Will Go...

Posted: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:26 AM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray
Mitt Romney's I've-been-a-hunter-pretty-much-all-of-my-life comment last week -- which was followed by the revelation that he had hunted just twice, then by his assertion that he hunted plenty of varmint as a youngster, and most recently by the news that he doesn't have a gun license -- has produced some good one-liners at Romney's expense. Some examples:

-- "Leave it to Mitt Romney to shoot himself in the foot with a gun he doesn't own," wrote Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi
-- "It would be like me saying I've been a lifelong golfer because I played putt-putt when I was 9 years old…" said rival presidential candidate Mike Huckabee
-- "Mitt Romney ... has been telling people he's a 'lifelong hunter,' but the truth is that he went hunting once when he was 15 years old and once last year, so by 'lifelong' he means he went twice. ... I think it's important to add, both of the times he went hunting, he shot an old man in the face ... so he's at least vice presidential material," joked comedian Jimmy Kimmel, per the Hotline.
 -- “Is Romney a Hunter? Depends on What Hunt Is,” said a headline in Friday's New York Times

But all jokes aside, the entire episode seems to fit into one of the negative narratives about Romney: that he's a chameleon, willing to exaggerate his record to win over voters. And in politics, once a narrative is built, it becomes hard to stop -- even if the narrative isn't true. In 2004, the dominant narrative was John Kerry the flip-flopper. In 2000, it was Al Gore the truth-fibber. Will similar narratives stick to Romney in 2007 and 2008?

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How many times do you have to go hunting before you are officially a hunter? I didnt know there was an official number.
mitt another lying repub, say anything to get elected, anything but the truth.
Some Conservatives are starting to stink to high Heaven particularly those who consider themselves "True" Conservatives yet would still vote for someone who is for gay unions at the very least and has come out recently and said that he would USE PUBLIC TAX MONEY to pay for abortions (CNN 4/2/07). It's funny also that the media focused on Romney's MINOR blurb about hunting and not paying attention to what Rudy said. Who do you think that the MSM is more scared of? To have every news outlet that the Liberal MSM has ever created to make a stink about hunting (NOT 2ND AMMENDMENT RIGHTS WHICH ROMNEY IS FIRMLY FOR) as opposed to something even more important about abortions and making it a public (you and me) responsibility? More on this in a minute. You "Conservatives" need to wake up. I don't care if Rudy is "at least" being up front about his positions. They are the wrong positions. If he isn't going to change his views and side on Conservative priciples AT THE LEAST then he's not worth it. Now people are starting to harp on an actor who was once a Senator for a short time. Just because he saved the day on TV, it's still TV and not the real world. Do you think that Hollywood would be any different in dealing with Fred Thompson as Mitt Romney in Massachusetts? Hollywood has made their pick and conservatives are ready to jump ship on a guy who's proven himself and moved in the Conservative direction for a "non-executive" actor? You people are beginning to make me sick from your smell. The last part about some of you "conservatives" is that if you don't like Mitt Romney it's not really about him, it's about his religion and you know it. If it weren't then you wouldn't have to keep explaining that you "don't have a problem with mormonism." Now back to the MSM and what they know about "conservatives" right now when it comes to Mitt Romney. They know that you - ALL OF YOU - Conservatives are having problems. Your off-balance and there are so many variables to it. They know that you have a religion problem, an issues problem on getting on the same page, a whose electable problem, and a morals and values problem. They are playing you like fiddles and you're eating it up. They're putting stories out there knowing that you'll eat your own at their hands. Mitt Romney says something about being a life long hunter and Mike "Hack"abee goes out on NATIONAL TV (CBS LIBERAL MSM CENTRAL) and has a problem with Romney talking about hunting yet says that Rudy's at least "honest" about his abortion stance and public funding of them. I don't care what "Hack"abee said about opposing that stance. He still feels that Rudy's a better person to be the Republican party nominee than someone whose made the change in my (a True Conservatives) position. I'm tired of the bigot riddled Liberal MSM comments about religion when it comes to Romney and I'm even more tired of bigoted "True" Conservatives eating their "BS" up and regurgitating it back to us giving them credibility and eating away at people who's backgrounds both personal and professional truly serves our needs as Americans. I'm tired of it and any conservative who is a true conservative truly believes in AMERICA and the traditional values that this country was built on should go out and fight against this.
Ahh... Wepublicans huntin wabbits!
Wow, Gladiator, you seem to have an awful lot of anger built up. Let me assure you, not everyone who feels Romney is wrong feels that way because of his religion. Take my family. I may be a Dem, but I come from a long line of GOP supporters and not one of them trusts Romney because of how much is positions have changed over the years, and how those changes seem to coincide with whichever group he needs to court to win a nomination/election. You say he has truly changed his position. How do you know that? And how do you know they won't change back once he is elected or nominated? It's dangerous to elect someone with a history of drasitic shifts in position. To that end, Huckabee is right about Rudy - at least you know where he stands. With Romney, you can't be sure that who he is now will be who he is next year or the year after.
"Silly wabbit"-Elmor Fudd about Bugs Bunny
"Even if the narrative isn't true?" It's hard to think of an issue where Romney hasn't changed his stance - why the implication that the narrative isn't true?
Gladiator, considering the way McCain was vilified, lied about, and trashed during the run up to the 2000 election (by ?conservatives) are you surprised at how Romney is being treated? The gloves were taken off then, and now it seems any misstep by a candidate is seized upon as fodder for ruining that person's reputation. I agree, that the media too often focuses on non-issues, to the detriment of the public who need true, relevant news on our future candidates.
total agreement to "Conservative Gladiator" above. We as americans need someone to tell the truth and not just their version of the truth in the news business. I want to know what is really going on, not some biased reporter telling what he thinks we should hear. We the people are not so stupid as the reporters seem to think. We the people can make up our own minds if we could get some straight reporting.
I wonder if Mitt will go hunting with Dick "Dead Eye" Cheney...I wonder who will come back without wounds?
Will similar narratives stick to Romney in 2007 and 2008? Of course they will, just like they did to Michael Dukakis in 1988 (the famous riding in a tank footage) and to Kerry in 2004 (flip flopper, pretend hunter in Northern Ohio, and let's not forget the windsurfing footage), and to Gore in 2000 (I invented the internet). Whether these trivial foibles SHOULD stick or not, they always do. Will it doom Romney? Probably not, but it certainly will follow him around forever.
Conservative Gladiator - you know what's "tired"? The "liberal MSM" BS. You need to find something else to blame it on, like lousy choices, misplaced priorities, and supporting fascist criminals - some of this MIGHT be the problem. The media wasn't that "liberal" when they helped the SwiftBoot Liars for Goebbels' Tactics slander a Silvar Star winner, but I'm betting that was just "freedom of speech," and the "voicing of opinion" and not a concerted smear campaign aided and abetted by the same "liberal media" that marched us off to Iraq with nary a squeek. Start facing reality.
"Run, Joey, run , Joey, run...."
Well Conservative Gladiator, I agree the issues which should be important are overwhelmed by irrelevencies. However, this has happened to all candidates at one time or another and the Republican hero, Karl Rove, used the strategy to win two elections. While he led people to worry about gay marraige and stem cell research, Iraq was blowing up, our Constitution was being assaulted and New Orleans was drowning. That's what I call the classic "bait and switch" con. Then, of course, Karl Rove is not a true conservative. Barry Goldwater is probably spinning as fast in his grave as the Administration is spinning news to make themselves look good.
Steve, better question: How many times do you have to lie and exaggerate before you are officially a liar and an exaggerator? This guy's an empty suit anyway, so hopefully his foot-in-mouth disease, like his father's before him, will undo him and allow us to focus on candidates of substance.
Who is Joey?
Huntin' bunny wabbits on Easter ? What will they tell our kids?
Dave Miller--"Run Joey Run" is one of those goofy songs out of 1974. Unfortunately, I can't recall who it's by. In it, a father is aiming to shoot his daughter's boyfriend, Joey.
Lisa, McCain deserved his 'trashing' then and he deserves it even more now. Take away Bush and Cheney and McCain is The. Biggest. Idiot. Ever. BTW, I thought he was supposed to have committed suicide when the Dems won? Well, looky looky, he lied about that too.
My little boy wants a B-B gun, or as he calls it, "a baby gun". He wants to be a hunter, like me. I tell him that a hunter hunts only what he will need. A hunter praises the animal he's killed, to insure success in a future hunt. A hunter will dress out the animal on the spot and give what he won't eat or fashion into apparel, to the land he's hunted on. I'd give Mitt the same advice if he asked me. And I'd judge his efficacy as a hunter by those standards.
M. Boley, I had respect for McCain at one time, about 7 years ago...but lost respect when he started kissing up to those that smeared him... Personally, anyone who has the guts to serve their country the way he did should garner at least a modicum of respect for his service.
Dorothy-David Geddes
Soon after Mike Huckabee became governor of Arkansas his son (I can't remember which one) killed a dog while at Boy Scout camp. He actually beat the dog to death. Mike Huckabee tried and eventually did get the Arkansas State Police to drop their investigation. No charges were ever filed. Nothing happened. You can research this by going to old newspaper articles. It will be in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette sometime 1995 1996, somewhere along there. I'll bet he's hoping that doesn't come out.
A-men, Hungry Lion. I keep hearing about the 'liberal media' in, where else- THE MEDIA! Howzat work, huh? Also- it seems to me like the moniker 'mainstream' would be viewed as a huge positive. it seems the opposite of 'mainstream' would indicate 'marginal' or in some other way 'out of it'. Even comedian Rush Screwbaugh must have finally figured that one out when he coined his cute-sy 'drive-by media' shtick. While I'm on here, anyone know why the Easter Bunny hides the eggs? It's because he doesn't want anyone to know he's been making it with a chicken!
Perhaps whether he is a hunter or not is a non-issue. Okay, so it is...I don't think anyone would seriously base their vote on that. But whether he is genuine IS an issue, and his constant changing of positions to appear desirable to one group or another makes him seem awfully disingenuous.
Beth Coger: That is really only one of the numerous scandals that Mike Huckabee inflected on the state of Arkansas! I would challenge the voters to do their homework on him and actually look at all the scandals that he was involved in while governor!!
Beth Coger, I remember that! Quite frankly, I don't see Huckabee having much of a chance, anyway. I think he's trying to go the route of Clinton, but without the charisma.
"Nya ts ts....what's up, doc?"--Bugs Bunny
Carrie, you have hit the nail on the head!
I think the main issue here is that if he would be flip and lie about something so mundane as this, what would he do with a bigger issue when trying to sway a certain group one way or another. I could care less if he is a "life-long" hunter or not, that's not the point. The point is that we have been hit over the head for 6 years with omissions, half-truths and out and out lies, that we don't want to step onto that slippery slope again.
Carrie, you are right, it should be a non-issue, but it's a huge issue to the NRA and its disciples. "Gun rights", which includes hunting, is the only issue to those folks and they will base their vote entirely on that alone. I own a shotgun and two rifles, enjoy hunting, and have hunted for years (really), but I can't buy into the NRA stance because I think they are too extreme, even radical. But that's why so many office seekers go out of their way to be associated with hunting, i.e. to avoid infuriating the NRA.
A brief note to Gladiator: There is a difference between social conservativism and fiscal conservativism. When the GOP ran on being fiscal conservatives you saw them winning. When they threw fiscal conservativism out the window and got into bed with the social conservatives they started to loose. Until they GOP realizes that what Americans really want is a government that won't spend their tax dollars wastefully and that doesn't seek to proscribe what we do in our personal lives, they will continue to loose.
My God, you liberals are easily the most depressed, maudlin group of people on the planet. Does anything make you happy? I know I will regret asking this.
Yep, Peeps, I'm happy most of the time. However, I'll be ecstatic when Bush and Cheney are gone and our troops are out of Iraq.
Peeps, Reading an actual fact in your posts (not Rep talking point)and have a stance to argue instead of name calling would make me happy, since you asked. You may be able to read, but your comprehension is low, Peeps. I read the above posts as having a somewhat decent discussion thread with some sarcasm on some responses. Depressed and maudlin, no. Entertaining with some viewpoints (until our posts), yes.
Well, speaking just for myself, I am not happy that bin Laden, al Zwahiri and Mullah Omar have not been found, 5 1/2 years after September 11 2001. I did not support the war in Iraq, so I can't say I am pleased with the way things are going with our occupation there. As for my personal life,i learned to deal with life a long time ago.
Let just agree that Mitt is a hunter and George is a war hero. Whatever................
"I think the main issue here is that if he would be flip and lie about something so mundane as this, what would he do with a bigger issue when trying to sway a certain group one way or another." Susan, Nebraska __________________ March 23, 2007 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032202007.html Even when botched, the audience, unless they are French, will give you points for trying. But sometimes it's an unmitigated disaster, as Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney found out recently speaking to Cuban Americans in Miami. "Hugo Chavez has tried to steal an inspiring phrase," Romney said, continuing in the Spanish for "Fatherland or death, we will win": " 'Patria o muerte, venceremos.' It does not belong to him. It belongs to a free Cuba." No, it's Fidel Castro's trademark closer, the slogan of the Commie revolution. Here's how the Boston Herald described the moment: "Cubans in Miami are steaming mad at former Gov. Mitt Romney for shooting his mouth off in stumbling Spanish, mispronouncing names and erroneously associating a notorious Fidel Castro-spewed Communist catch phrase with freedom fighters." Observers wondered whether Romney is actually ready for prime time. _______________________ http://www.spokesmanreview.com/local/story.asp?ID=183280 Republican presidential wannabe Mitt Romney bashed Pelosi for having her picture taken with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and "for being seen in a headscarf" during her visit to the Muslim nation. "I just don't know what got into her head, to be completely honest with you," the former Massachusetts governor said. "I think it was a huge, huge mistake." But three Republican congressmen who met with the Syrian leader a couple of days before Pelosi didn't draw any fire from by Beck or Romney. Maybe that's because, as one of those GOP lawmakers, Pennsylvania Rep. Joe Pitts, told a local newspaper, it was OK for them to go to Syria because they're Republicans.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032202007.html Even when botched, the audience, unless they are French, will give you points for trying. But sometimes it's an unmitigated disaster, as Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney found out recently speaking to Cuban Americans in Miami. "Hugo Chavez has tried to steal an inspiring phrase," Romney said, continuing in the Spanish for "Fatherland or death, we will win": " 'Patria o muerte, venceremos.' It does not belong to him. It belongs to a free Cuba." No, it's Fidel Castro's trademark closer, the slogan of the Commie revolution. Here's how the Boston Herald described the moment: "Cubans in Miami are steaming mad at former Gov. Mitt Romney for shooting his mouth off in stumbling Spanish, mispronouncing names and erroneously associating a notorious Fidel Castro-spewed Communist catch phrase with freedom fighters." Observers wondered whether Romney is actually ready for prime time.
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" -- Bill Clinton on Monica Lewinsky "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar"- Bob Kerry, Democrat, 1996 "I've always been a Yankee's fan"
Peeps - I don't think it's the liberal side that is making such a big deal of this hunting issue with Romney. It's more of the NRA member, NASCAR dad types that are specifically worried about whether he's a hunter or not. But the main issue for everyone should be, as Carrie so eloquently stated, does he change his positions on things with every shift in the political wind? And Rick, once again, are you using the old 2-wrongs-make-a-right argument that we've heard here a thousand times? If you found it so reprehensible when a Democrat lied, shaded the truth, told a half-truth, whatever, then it should be just as reprehensible when a Republican does the same. Especially since they hold themselves up as the Bible-thumping defenders of truth, justice and the American way.
"Spanglish"--A movie
James thanks for the lecture, however I didn't really need it.
Mitt Romney is the real deal.  When the public gets all of the true facts about Mike Huckabee's record, all the charm and folksy wit won't save him.
Vote for Mitt Romney.  Is that acceptable for your comments section?


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