Jama, you got to stop listening to Rush and Sean Hannity. Get a mind of your own.

Joe Bob, I didn’t hear any complaining when Bill fired every single US Attorney but 1. They serve at the discretion of the President. He’s within his rights to fire those attorneys for whatever reason. I’ll make sure to put my tin foil hat on about the election fraud nonsense. L Fraser, I don’t recall anyone saying that Clinton has any responsibility about Iraq. However, both Clinton and Bush should be held to the same standard when it comes to bin Laden. Clinton should not be held to a different standard than Dubya. Perhaps, Bill should have been more focused on being a President and not sticking his “cigar” in young interns. Or perhaps, maybe his staff should have been dealing with the business (growing threat of Islamic fundamentalist) at hand and not trying to bail him out of his little “pickle”.

Tindle sez [[This is too funny. Guess what? The reason for the report "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the US" report was for Clintons failed foreign policy.]].... More absolute garbage from the usual sources. Don't you ever check your facts? The memo titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike INSIDE the US" was prepared for His Shrubness, and it was presented to him in August 2001. Bush immediately ignored it because he was on the first of his famous month-long presedential vacations and he couldn't be bothered. The media have really given him a pass on this. If a bank was robbed and employees were killed while the bank security guard dozed, he would immediately be fired. Bush is guilty of dereliction of duty of the worst sort and deserves impeachment and removal from office on that basis alone.

Hey Tindle: How bout a nice trip back to the histry books... The real ones, not the GOP talking points. Clinton was very focused on Bin Laden and told ol dimwit about it as soon as he took over, even said that it may be the most important thing he will do as pres... As to the attorney firings, the issue is not that they were fired. This is a very different scenario from what Clinton did. The issue is how and why, and what is now being covered up (and even more important, why it is being covered up). In the current case this was about election fraud which is a bit of an issue. The republicans pull a few hundred thousand (may even million), mostly minority voter off of the roles in a few key states. Then things are looking a bit grim in the poles so they want to conjure up some fake voter fraud on the other side to take the heat off and maybe even institute some new even more restrictive voter laws (making it even more difficult for some of those persky elderly and minority voters to have their say). The problem is that even their republican attorney generals saw the cases that were being presented for the BS that they were and said no. they were then fired and replaced with such pillors of democracy like Tim "caging list" Griffin... This country is very much in trouble if we do not stop this now!

Houston you act as if every single branch of government shuts down when the President is on vacation. Clinton should have had his people doing more than trying to cover his butt after getting busted cheating on his wife with interns. Oh yeah! He prepared a memo. Bin Laden first declared war on the US during the Clinton years. He funded and assisted in how many attacks against US civilians and government workers around the world during the Clinton years? Good job on the memo though, thanks!

Twindle, thanks for the reply. I was reamarking about your remarks about liberals. Last time I checked they are americans. You have to at least respect the other side if you want to debate. I agree past presidents can and have influence when they are presidents. But that influence is pretty much gone after they are out of office. I do not like going down this road for every Clinton item you bring up, I can bring up a Reagan thing just as fast. I do not like debating past facts or presidents. I want to deal with the now and present. It is funny how you say I hate people, being a republican for 26 years , I know that is the typical republican response. I would not expect any less. Twindle, I respect your service and your sacrifice. Please keep blank hate liberal statments to a minimum. This just shows you have a built in bias and hate for a group of people. WHY???????? Last time I checked they are americans using their freedom of speech. I would love to debate and talk some more tomorrow. You have a nice evening Twindle. Hope to talk to you again.

Joe Bob, before you start talking about election fraud, please read the non-partisan American Center for Voting Rights report. It's ran by both Democrats and Republicans. It's in regards to the '04 elections, it shows instances of fraud from both sides of the aisle. I think you'll be very upset if you read it.

Jama, I think I read how GWB used a cucumber on one of his cabinet members in the White House. I guess that would be called "cucumbering." Thank goodness GWB didn't use a cigar. At least I don't think he did. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I can't really remember. Maybe I've misspoken. A lot of that going around lately.

bobf, I do respect what the liberal and Dems have to say. In several posts today, I said I agree (and I think most Americans do as well) that Democrats have alot of great ideas and plans for this country. I just dont think Bush hate and bashing gets us anywhere. I (and again I think most Americans do as well) feel it's time to start phasing out our troops from Iraq. I believe the only Clinton things I've brought up were in relation to bin Laden, which I feel BOTH Clinton and Dubya dropped the ball in a HUGE way. I dont think I've disrespected anyone here today in regards to being a liberal or what not. I just tried to point out that Bush may not be entirely responsible for 9/11. The Iraqi war, I believe it's a noble effort. I dont think the Iraqi government has stepped up in any way though. That is my arguement for a phased withdraw from the country. I'm just sick and stayed home from class today looking for a fun discussion. Cheers!

***LET'S START THE "IMPEACHMENT" PROCEEDINGS !

The GAO called it election fraud, tweedle dee, and if you did lose your leg, you did it fatten Cheney's bank account. Notice Cheney never allowed himself to get close to danger, and Clinton wasn't trying to game the system, like Bush. You don't need a tin foil hat - you're there already.

I got your back, Tindle. At least you can keep the discussion on on a higher level than the majority of people blogging here. In this day and age of satisfy me now, these people don't have the courage and conviction to see things through. Bush is certanly not perfect, and he is horrible at conveying a point. But our boys and girls are fighting for our safety and our country and we support them without exception, even if it is for their safe return. Those of you who attack Tindle on his vetran status should hang your head in shame.

PLEASE-I don't need an ignorant draft dodging cowboy protecting me as best we can! And we American people know you are making your decisions based on what Rove and Dick tell you! Please go back to Crawford and NEVER come back!

And it is part of our present porblem that Bush took the pressure off Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to to to Iraq. Even after 9-11 the US President decided he was secondary. Can't blame that on Clinton. IF Bin Laden had been nailed in Tora Bora, this administration would have no rationale for most of its actions left.

Jimmy Carter was, before he became president and after he left office, a good man. He has always been an honest man of admirable intentions. were more of us as selfless and self accountable as he, what a different world we would inhabit.

Gozalas "testified," did he, you malfeasant creep? All he testified to was that his memory is as full of holes as your logic. I'm sure that's why you like him.

Tindle, I figured you for a smart guy. It is easy to get caught up in the nationalism mode. I did not read your other posts. Sorry, I just saw your liberal statements on this post and ran with it. I try to respect all people and points of view. I do not go on these boards looking to bash Bush and whatever. I respond to other people's misconception and hate. I try to understand the other sides position. In fact the person I blog with most is Ryan, Michigan. I respect healthy deabate with facts and issues. I want to keep learning. I learn more from blogging every day: facts that other bloggers bring. It is funny how reading this blog, you can understand why congress is having a hard time getting anything done. I have never seen our country as polarized as it is now. That is why we have to start talking and listening. More important we have to listen to each other. I am sick of people yelling and calling other people names. No issue or problem can get resolved if we just yell at each other. I want to understand the opposing point of view. Mix it with my view and lets work to a compromise. This is the way our founding fathers wanted government to run. Hey Tindle, get back to school and learn. We need smart people with good idea's to get us out of this pickle of situation in Iraq.

No matter what our differences are, I think we can all agree that anyone who has served our country and/or lost limbs, etc., has a right to our respect. Tindle, my only big difference with you is that by the time Bill Clinton realized the threat that bin Laden was, he was on his way out of office, and that is not because he ignored anything. He tried to help the new administration by letting them know that binLaden was their biggest threat, but his warnings were ignored. Remember, Bush "doesn't read" reports, etc., and how could he ever even admit such a moronic thing?! I've read a lot of books on this stuff. Clinton is a brilliant man and, despite the whole Lewinsky scandal, he continued to focus on America first. It was the Republicans who did everything they could - to ridiculously trying distract him and his popularity by impeaching him over the sort of scandal many former presidents committed that the press and Republicans used to ignore as just "men being men." They began their attack on him the second he was in office - remember Whitewater? (No proof of wrong doing and nothing stuck.) Some of you act as though Clinton was the first president in office to cheat on his wife. My guess is that the self-righteous are the very men committing the same acts as Clinton, and worse. At the time of the Clinton scandal, I was dating a retired Air Force Lt. Col. who was outraged and spoke against Clinton for the Lewinsky scandal at every turn to anyone who would listen and, guess what? I found out after we broke up that he himself had cheated on two ex-wives and was as immoral as they come, so bad-mouthing Clinton makes me wonder about the men doing the bad-mouthing. What could be more immoral than what this administration is doing? And whoever said 4000 soldiers died during the Clinton years? Do you just make this stuff up? AS IF the Republicans wouldn't have been shoving THAT down the Dems throats every second! The Republicans throw Clinton's name up every time Bush & Co. screws up to take the focus off the Bozo Republican in office now. Now, the more they do that, the more RELEVANT it makes Bill Clinton AND his presidency. One last thing - Clinton impeached for a dalliance with an intern, and Bush not being impeached for lying us into a false war, ignoring all the laws the Justice Department had in place based on the Constitution to protect both the viability and balance of power in government, well over 3,000 dead and so many maimed I can't keep count and could cry every day for them and their families, ignoring the will of the American people who PAY HIS SALARY to do our will, ignores the Geneva Convention, and makes a mockery of our Constitution that he swore to uphold...and there are still people who defend this scum and his administration? Ask the rest of the world - he has turned us, the U.S., into a joke.

Wow! Most of the comments I've read are extremely partisan one way or the other. Both political parties are playing the people in this country against each other. Kinda like good-cop bad-cop. If we are divided then the racketeers can take advantage of us easily. There are a hell of a lot more things that unite us than divide us. The only things that divide us are beliefs. We all have a right to these beliefs but since they cannot be proven we also have a responsibility not to push those opinions on others. We are all Americas charged with promoting freedom and justice and tolerance amongst ourselves and the rest of the world. Mean-spirited name-calling and violence have no place in civility. We can have our own ideas and still work together for the common good. I ask my fellow Americans to please stand with me in solidarity to reject those who would seek to divide the kind and honorable people of my country who seek peace with our fellow

Great Discussion Guys! But Point Blank - This should have told you back in 2000 how much this Country was Screwed ... you guys Elected "Bush, Dick and Colin...." Now that should have given you some insight on how Screwed we are... and Yes... what You President has done in the last almost 7 years is and will have a Huge reflection on the future of this country. And our grandchildren and even their grand children will be diggin us out of the "BULL" that Dubya has gotten us into. I just wish someone would give Bush a BlowJob so we can impeach his dumb ass! Hillary/Bama 2008 - Hillary ran that white house for 8 years already...and she can run it for 8 more! Time for a Woman to get in that white house and paint it pink, and get us back on track. Most people do not know the truth about why we are in Iraq... it all boils down to OIL. This is a War for OIL. Bush and Dick are both OIL RICH. They make more and more money off your spending habits. We need to drop all foreign oil inports by 15% a year until it is less than 20% of the current volume of imports right now. They want to make money from Oil... Get the friggin Oil Co's to INVEST in New Refineries to produce our own domestic reserves. Easy Solution - Get the heck out of Iraq... let them kill themselves, and when they are done, we go in and claim the land! :) Have a Great Day!

Reality check folks. Can you remember John Mitchell? What? You can't remember him or you never learned about him? That's why you're a loyal Bush supporter. Enjoy your "new and improved" Nixon White House, it's everything y'all deserve. Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. all found their way back into favor and power from that unqualified disaster in the hopes of restoring Nixon's bold vision of a unitary executive, a surveillance state, and a President who answers to no one, cares for no one, and can use his executive control of Law Enforcement agencies and their surveillance abilities to assure the election of his successor. The means justify the means. To hell with the ends, when you've got a lock hold on power you needn't worry about them. And, lo and behold!, they got caught, AGAIN. I hardly expected this administration to flush itself, but that's what's just happened here folks. Congress, after Gingrich's stunning six year performance, has little reason to restrain itself. I hope they do, but have you ever thought of the Speaker as a decent woman? I sure haven't. :^( And did you true believers hear how Bush operatives accosted John Ashcroft, in his *recovery room*, to attempt to browbeat him into signing the illegal wiretapping program? And the tongue lashing and stalwart refusal he gave them in reply because he had determined the program to be ILLEGAL? That's why Gonzales is Atty. General. Bush got that program, and that's why they had to fire the prosecutors. They got to close to the whole thing. Bush has not faithfully defended the Constitution. He's in violation of his Oath of Office. This is how it ends, not with a bang but with lots of resignations. At the very least, it will end in Bush's quiet ignominy, as all the layers of protection are slowly peeled away, and Carter's righteous footnote regarding him as having the "Worst foreign policy in American history." And no, I'm no fan of Clinton either, but he never did anything like this. He just lied to save his sorry hide, not to run an illegal wiretapping program for political ends. Wake up folks.

To Jama, Columbia SC, No, cigaring in the Oval Office is not acceptable, or appropriate; neither is it illegal. If you can in all seriousness equate the two, I am beginning to understand why this country is in so much trouble. Those who support this fascist do not seem to be interested in facts at all, just the accumulation and retention of power. What's good for the American people is diametrically opposed to this administration's agenda. Nixon Whitehouse? Gary Trudeau's right on the money - we need to keep this guy down with our "knee on his windpipe" until he's out of here. There's still plenty of damage that he can do. If you're not appalled, you're not paying attention.

P.S. If Clinton's little escapade is an impeachable offense, then W. & Company's actions (trashing the constitution, etc.) are executable offenses. How getting a b.j. in the oval office is a more egregious act than the deaths of over 3,000 American fighting men, simply for war profiteering, nation building and oil access, is beyond lunacy. When Clinton finally reaches the pearly gates, he will have to answer for what he did to himself; when Bush arrives, he will have to answer for what he did to over 3,000 trusting AMERICANS, and countless more thousands of innocent Iraqis. Cigaring, indeed. You have helped me to understand how we came to elect such an intellectual dwarf to begin with.

AMEN! Clinton did nothing compared to this Dork we have there in the White House now. Is it 2008 YET? Better Yet... Jan 21 2009? Thank Gawd for Term Limits! Now... we just need to set Term Limits on the Dorks in Congress ... get FRESH blood there every two terms! End the Life Long serving ones that will ruin this country like Fallwell did... (RIP azzhole). Bless this Country, as we well need it from Dubya!

Hey Tindle, Now I really know that you are pathetically uninformed. You quoted the American Center for Voting Rights. Have you checked them out lately? First of all they were definitely NOT no partisan. They were actually a shell organization set up by a guy name Thor Hearne who just happened to be the general counsel for the Bush campaign. All of the "studies" that they posted were bogus and Thor and others are trying real hard to eliminate any association that they had with the org (which has strangely vanished). Try a google search for them and see what you get... Try their URL now and see what you get... As to Tim Griffin and "caging", I guess the cat is out of the bag on that one since Monica Goodling actually admitted that Justice knew that he had been doing this when they appointed him.

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