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Last night's Iraq forum

Posted: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:09 AM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Lauren Appelbaum

The Iraq debate/forum Joe Biden wanted so badly finally came to fruition ... and Biden was busy in the Senate with the immigration vote. At 8:00 pm, when the event was supposed to start, only former Sen. Mike Gravel -- who called himself the "crazy uncle who hasn't come down from the attic in six years" -- was in attendance. Fewer than 500 people were in the audience, but Gravel was surely happy with the opportunity to address them. "This is an experience for me. I get more than five minutes.”

Both he and Kucinich -- who showed up later -- took jabs at some of the other Democratic candidates. Gravel once again attacked "the senator from New York" for saying had she known then what she knew now, she would not have voted for the war. Gravel said if someone couldn't tell Bush was lying back then, the person does not have the right to become president. Kucinich added that all the candidates in Congress had an audition in October of 2002. "It was a moment of real peril and crisis in our country to exercise our foresight and judgment to share with the world." 

Biden arrived shortly before 9:30 pm, and he received a thunderous applause. He had a short time to talk, since there were nine votes on the immigration issue scheduled for 10:00 pm. He talked about his plan for Iraq: "I have put forward a comprehensive strategy to end the war, my word, responsibly. It has three parts: a roadmap to bring most of our troops home next year; a detailed plan for what we leave behind; and a commitment that, so long as a single American soldier remains in Iraq, we will do everything in our power to protect him or her." Biden was the best received, and it was clear people stuck around to specifically hear him. He was in his element, talking to knowledgeable people about a subject he wanted to discuss.

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raf -- You're the one selling the pig in the poke; the only "plan" I've ever mentioned here is the quite modest proposal that we begin to approach the problem by asking those of our generals who were right about Iraq to begin with how best to get out of there. My concern is to insist that we think about what we're doing this time, and embark on any new course with our eyes wide open. Oh yeah, the "shut up" part: Smarts, don't it -- being told what to do like that. Now picture me telling you to shut up with an M16 in my hands and an army at my back after kicking in your front door and making sure you did shut up; all of this in front of your woman, your kids, and your folks. Multiply your indignant response by 10,000 and raise it by the number of people living in Mesopotamia or more and you might possibly begin to see the easily predictable difficulty of forcing any form of government down Iraqi throats.
Another military solution to a political problem. Great, just great. Our military is not in the business of nation-building. The problem requires a political solution. Poltical solutions are not forced down anyones throats. They are achieved through diplomacy, negotiation and compromise. You are the one advocating force by still relying on the military. You know the people with the M16s kicking in people's front doors and telling them to shut up.
It's called an "exit plan", friend -- exactly what everyone criticizes Bush for for not having.
President Bush has no exit plan. He has stated that Iraq is to be modelled after Korea.In other words, we aint going anywheres folks for the next 1 1/2 years.Period.
Consulting with generals to come up with a plan is not a plan.
Do you get it?The President is content to stay. There is no plan under him to leave. 1 1/2 years from now we will know the situation on the ground. Our President is Commander in Chief. He has the final say.And as far as I can see, neither he nor anyone who backs him in Congress is giving an inch.
Laurel from Virginia thank you for reading and considering my point of view i have written letters to some editors just recently. I hope that at least some light is shed on this issue. The media wants to promote what sells more. And as much as wouldn't mind seeing a minority or a female as president we must not astray for what is best for our country regardless of race or gender or in this case ratings.


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