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Is Hillary getting a free pass on Iraq?

Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:43 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray

The 2004 presidential campaign taught us many lessons, and one of them was this: Being seen as a flip-flopper can be politically devastating. John Kerry's now-famous "I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it" furthered the GOP narrative that Kerry was a weak, indecisive politician willing to say anything to get elected. And so far this election cycle, we've seen the press and pundits attach the flip-flopper label to Mitt Romney (on abortion, guns, and immigration), Giuliani (on partial-birth abortion and the public funding of abortion), and even Mr. Straight Talk John McCain (on taxes and Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell).

But Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton -- who was for the Iraq war before she was against it -- has been getting mostly a free pass as she's morphed into an antiwar candidate. Just check out today's Des Moines Register's coverage of her speech yesterday on Iraq. There's a picture of Hillary standing behind a lectern that says "The Plan to End the War." Then there's her quote: "Our message to the president is clear. It is time to begin ending this war -- not next year, not next month, but today." Yet the article doesn't mention that just a year ago, she said that setting a "date certain" for withdrawal was a mistake, which produced boos from the liberal audience that heard the speech. It also barely mentioned (in just one sentence) her 2002 vote to authorize the war.  

And it's just not this Des Moines Register piece. When Clinton was asked at CNN's debate last month about her new antiwar views, she simply changed the subject. On her last-minute vote against the compromise war-funding bill, Clinton answered: "The differences among us are minor. The differences between us and the Republicans are major. And I don't want anybody in America to be confused." And when asked why she voted for every previous war-spending bill until that one, she responded: "Unfortunately, we don't have a president who is willing to change course. And I think it was time to say enough is enough… Everybody on this stage, we are all united... We all believe that we need to try to end this war."

"The coverage of Hillary on Iraq is a travesty of American journalism," a aide to a rival campaign tells First Read. "It is horrendous."

Of course, most of the Democratic presidential candidates have shifted their views on Iraq in the past few years as it has become more unpopular. Biden, Dodd, and Edwards also voted for the 2002 Iraq war authorization, and all are antiwar now (some more than others). Even Obama, who opposed the war when he was an Illinois state senator, voted for all appropriations for it until the very last supplemental -- just like Clinton did -- since he joined the US Senate.

But none of these other Democrats 1) is leading by double digits in the national polls, 2) is a famous former First Lady with a famous husband, and 3) is largely getting such a free pass on the nation's biggest issue -- Iraq. 

Her campaign, in fact, deserves plenty of kudos in making Clinton sound like Dennis Kucinich when it comes to Iraq. As of now, they have turned a major weakness into a strength -- which comes at the same time as Clinton has increased her lead in the polls. And if she goes on to win the Democratic nomination, it will be one of the big reasons for her success.

*** Update *** A Clinton campaign spokesman tells First Read that Clinton simply "got out ... and explained to people that the president has fumbled this thing so badly, we had to put an end to it. I think the Americans would agree with her."

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Everyone's opinion on this War is changing daily; both from an (R) and (D) perspective.  All of their opinions will change again as September draws near, and as things change in Iraq for better or worse.  This is politics; pure and simple, and it's not only Hillary....it's everyone running for office.
I'm very confused about Mark's assertion that Hillary somehow deserves elevated hazing for her initial support of the war based on her double digit lead and famous husband.  A journalist's motivations must be questioned if he/she is using such criteria to determine the level of scrutiny to apply to a candidate.
SB - Clinton is allowed to change her mind. Its just that she keeps changing it to whatever Obama thinks, lol.

Except this time, though. Now she seems to be following the same line as the Republicans - nothing wrong with the decision to go to war, just with the way it was handled.

Her experience tells her one of these lines ought to get her out of the hole she's dug for herself on Iraq.
What is this free pass b.s?. Comparing her to John Kerry is nonsense. Senator Clinton has been clear all along…she never voted for the mess Bush created.
If anything you need to praise her powerful leadership ability and ability to clearly articulate a direction for changing course.  Something NO OTHER candidate has been able to do. Her competitors are full of endless boring babble or just nonsense. Clinton is the strongest candidate by far.
Hillary has hardly gotten a free pass. The far left has been relentless and the mainstream media have also gone after her for not saying “I made a mistake”. Chris Matthews doesn’t miss a chance to take a swipe at Mrs. Clinton. Free pass...hardly.

Yes she voted for authorization. As a senator from New York she would have been dragged over hot coals for voting to not give the president authorization. As the war continued to be mismanaged and our casualties mounting she came to a more evolved position that today calls on the president to end the war and bring the troops home. As she herself has stated many times “our troops did their job” and now it is time for them to come home and not be in the middle of a civil war.

The blame for this war rests mainly with those in the media who didn’t do their jobs. They didn’t ask the questions or demand answers or make any attempt at trying to give the American public a view other than what the White House was feeding them. Why? Because the atmosphere was such that to question the administration one was labeled Un-Patriotic, Un-American....so before you go after Hillary Clinton and suggest that she has gotten a free pass....I would say that it is the Main Stream Media in the country that continues to get a free pass. Michael Moore gave it to Blitzer the other night and more people in the Media need to be called out for not doing their jobs.

Hillary voted one way four years ago and today has a different perspective of the situation. That seems to me to be reasonable and not at all worthy of asking is she getting a free pass.  
I think this entire flip-flopping issue is rediculous. Every candidate has changed their mind on some issue at some point. All it shows to the American public is they they are human beings who sometimes err in their judgement and later try to correct their mistakes. Instead of focusing on the flip-flopping "problem", the media should be focusing on what the candidates are actually saying about the issues NOW. There are too many dumb Americans who don't know anything about the issues before they vote. Let's focus on educating them instead of distracting them.
Joe,  You are wrong on so many counts it is beyond responding too.  take off the glasses and what you will see is Bush/Rove in a dress.  hillary says what ever is needed.  She was dead set against timeline until the polls showed that it was what American peopled wanted.  She has no beliefs of her own.  its whatever is neeeded to become President
Lewis, I suppose leading an effort to provide health insurance for all Americans in 1993 when it was highly unpopular (we all remember the ridiculous "socialized medicine" outcry!) doesn't count as an unpopular position that would better society? There are many other instances but I think that one is sufficient enough to warrant her ability to make difficult, unpopular decisions that are for the betterment of the country and not for the "betterment of Hillary Clinton."

Now, while it is true that a president needs to occassionally (in your words) "do unpopular things for the betterment of the country," I think we've seen what happens when a president continues to do unpopular things to the DETRIMENT of the country - for instance, oh, I don't know, a president who continues to stay on a completely ridiculous course in Iraq even when it continues to kill our troops and innocent Iraqis.  Just a thought.  And just because the president haas to occassionally do unpopular things doesn't mean he/she can completely toss aside what Americans want (to end the war or at least change course!!) Maybe changing his position might help....

Oh, and another thing, I believe it is a "popular" thing among the left (of which, I again include myself) to demand an apology from Senator Clinton for her Iraq vote (don't include myself here).  If she was interested in the popular route that would benefit her and qwell the anti-war faction, she would have just apologized and moved on, wouldn't you agree?  Well, probably not.  In your opinion, she'd just be positioning herself politically, right?  So she's damned if she doesn't and damned if she does.  Maybe, just maybe, she realizes that what lies ahead is more important than dwelling on what's in the past.  Even if politics does have some bearing on her decisions (and I'm not naive enough to thing it has nothing to do with them), I bet NONE of the other candidates EVER consider what their positions mean politically. (insert sarcasm here).  
Ah, but Daniel, look at what you wrote. Apparently she doesn't have a different perspective on the issue - assuming you captured her position correctly (we'll see if they retract the statement sent to First Read).

According to that statement and you, she still thinks it was the right decision to invade Iraq. By the way, credit to you for reminding us what she said a while back, about the troops having finished their job. I never thought about that before.

Now I might be starting to understand why her supporters dodged the Matthews question: if you knew then what you know now, would you have voted to authorize?

Does she still think this pre-emptive war, or war to spread democracy in the Middle East, or whatever it is... was the right decision?
I believe the most important question that needs answered following the media's already established guidelines would be how much hillary spends on her hair maintenance, how come the press refuses to investigate the crushing issue on each and every candidates personal hygiene costs? surely it would only be the fair and proper way to compare presidential candidates, I await the results, which I am sure won't show edwards at the top of the heap, then what can be done, a very scary situation indeed
I think this argument is over! Why are we looking to what happened in the past instead of trying to figure out our murky future. Shouldnt we be criticizing each and every voter that voted for Bush the second time around for this continued war? Shouldnt we be going after all the republican officials that are still sitting on TV telling the american public that the war is still just and we need more time?  Would you rather a leader that is so bullish that they cant see when their path is wrong, or would you rather someone be able to step back and say "Hey we need to change course" so she hasnt apologized, in my book she doesnt need to, not unless Bush comes out and apologizes first. And even then I dont think its her place to apologize, she gave the president the authorization to go to war if we needed to, not to go to war for the hell of it. Its time to change the conversation from flip flopping to just plain stupid decisions, to just plain bad decisions, to just plain evil decisions...oh wait he cant run again!
Hillary is getting the same FREE media pass Bush got to get us into this war.

It is shameful that the media isn't doing more to examine her record.  

I don't want to beat up on the press, but the reality is that their silence allowed Bush and the congress to get us into this mess.

Hillary is running for president.  For God's sake, vet her.  Question her about her numerous positions on this war.

What's going on?  Haven't we learned anything from allowing ourselves to be duped into an unjust war?

Does anybody out there in the media care about the 3600 American soldier lives that are gone and shouldn't be?  

Hillary was one of those who sentenced those soldiers to their death.  Shouldn't her reason and rationale be examined?  Shouldn't you be examining the rationale and reason for all the presidential candidates who voted for the Iraq invasion?

We need to know why they voted for that war.  We need to know why they didn't read the NIE report before casting that vote.

Please.
TJ...I am sure you do think it is over but it is not because what you fail to grasp is that this is a reflection of her JUDGEMENT.  if she has so much experience, why was her JUDGEMENT so bad.  Is this the same JUDGEMENT capability that she would bring to the job.  What is her JUDGEMENT ability really.  Is she cable of making not just tough but SMART decision or will she always feel liked she has to prove she's strong because she is a woman

What does it matter? They are all part of the same regime of "evil doing". The globalist control the puppets we see anyways.
If you want a real new president one day, your gunna half to look at a Ron Paul type candidate.

FRED THOMPSON's wife is 25 years old while he is about 60 yr old and he was very pleased that Bush commuted Scooter "keeps lying like a. gonzalez" Libby.
He sounds even worst than Rudy Giuliani, so c'mon America, WE DONT WANT NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES DO WE? I DONT
EVERYONE was lied to! I would have thought that the Libby trial made that abundantly clear to the world.  That's why 81% of the American people went along with Bush on invading Iraq, and now we're inching up to 81% of the American people being against Bush on invading Iraq.

Clinton isn't getting a "free pass." What else do you want her to say?  Should she just repeat, over and over, what she's already told you?  She's made it quite clear -- if you can't understand her original vote, don't vote for her.

As far as I'm concerned, BUSH lied, people died.  I will be supporting Senator Clinton.

If it's your opinion that Hillary lied and people died, she's not your candidate.  Her supporters are holding BUSH accountable for Iraq.
What does it matter? They are all part of the same regime of "evil doing". The globalist control the puppets we see anyways.
If you want a real new president one day, your gunna half to look at a Ron Paul type candidate.

FRED THOMPSON's wife is 25 years old while he is about 60 yr old and he was very pleased that Bush commuted Scooter "keeps lying like a. gonzalez" Libby.
He sounds even worst than Rudy Giuliani, so c'mon America, WE DONT WANT NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES DO WE? I DONT
I would like to know why members of congress recieve so much criticism for "flip flopping".  Although voting for the war in the first place may not have been the "right" choice, they were voting for the people that elected them.  I do believe members of congress should be able to change their vote/mind, because in reality they are not voting for themselves, but should be voting for the majority of citizens.  That is one thing Bush can't say he's doing.
Hillary has been given a free pass on many issues that the mainstream media is not covering. How about her campaign manger being a staff member for a major union busting firm in Washington? How about her numerous anti-labor votes personally? How about her personal association with Wal-Mart? How come nobody asks why she has so much money to run a campaign and so few seperate "donors?" (quoted for a reason, mind you) Where do we think all that money comes from? Big corporations that are not interested in fairness for the American people, that's who. Does anyone really believe that a person who has been a politician for as long as she has is completely independent of corporate influence?

I mean c'mon media...please don't drop the ball and not ask the tough questions like you did before the run-up to the Iraq war/occupation/debaucle!! The people of this country rely on you to let us know the real story.
My personal belief, no evidence. Hillary was for the war until it turned out bad militarily and politically. Unlike other candidates she has not advocated removing all troops and I expect she wants to leave a permanent contingent. She has never said she will close all the bases as some have and I expect she want to keep the bases. My feeling is that she has supported one of the real reasons for the war which is to extend American control in the region. That may or may not be in the best interests of the US but I find it morally repugnant to spill so much blood for that goal.  I don't think there has been any flip flop. Since I believe her goals are essentially still in line with the Administration's goals and the media is influenced by corporate interests and Republican interests she will get an easier (not free) ride.
Bravo for having the spine to write this article.  It's long be noticed and commented that Hillary has been getting a free pass on everything.  She speaks about union support when her close advisor is a union buster, the op research focused on Obama and missed(?) what was being said, her outsourcing jobs.  Right now Mark Penn is doing push polling again but, using the guilt of Obama being killed if they vote for him.
no one is saying anything.  
Many of the polls, including the one who said she was supposed to be tied to Obama in Illinois, has ties to the Clintons.
there is alot of things that are not being aired or letting the public know about.  For the most part, Hillary is given a free pass.  Even in the debates she is given high marks when she just uses applause lines and says little more.
Again, Bravo and kudos to you.
Why is she getting a pass? I'm surprised the GOP and conservative news/talk show hosts haven't jumped all over her. Is it because they can't? Where's the fire from Shaun Hannity, Limbaugh, Koulter (Coulter)? And these are usually the one's that try to spin their butts off in attempts to villainize her. If she deserves the attacks, then stand back and let'r rip!
Everyone lies to Hillary.  You got to tell her what she wants to hear, else she'll bite your head off.

Scary lady that there Hillary.
It would be helpful if we could get past the right-wing-invention known as the "flip-flop" and investigate WHY people changed their minds.  If there's a legitimate reason, such as conditions changing, it's normal (and even desirable) for people to change their positions.  That it's being applied now to Republicans as well as Democrats is certainly "fair play" in one sense, but it's unfortunate and destructive to our democracy at the same time.

Expecting everyone (but President Bush) to maintain the same opinion regardless of facts is childishly simplistic.  Your readers deserve more.
Paul,

Hillary gave the president authorization to use force. She didn’t vote to go to war with Iraq. The president misused the authorization he was given. When asked early on if it was right to invade Iraq Mrs. Clinton said it was worth getting rid of Saddam. That is when the war should have ended...Bush on the carrier with the back drop of Mission Accomplished behind him.

Since that time the situation has deteriorated. This is not Hillary’s fault. She is the junior senator from New York not the president...yet.

Does she think that the Bush doctrine for spreading democracy with bombs and guns is a doctrine she would want to continue? I say no. Would she continue to fight the war against al Qaeda? Yes. Can she, as a woman, appear to be weak on National Defense? No absolutely not.
Hello People Wake UP!! When is everybody going to get off this band wagon of pointing fingers? All this wasted air about Bush lied, Clinton didn't read intelligence/ flip flops etc. etc The terrorists want to kill you, me, & our families and I want to know when any candidate is going to tell us specifically what THEY are going to do to protect us instead of doing nothing but blaming the other party. Everybody agrees that the war is a mess, and the Dem's want to pull out tomorrow. OK what happens then? Do they just think the terrorists are going to lay down their bombs/arms and go back to smoking their pipes and we never hear from them again? Get a clue people! Haven't heard any light bulb moments plans from the Rep's either on dealing with this mess. We need people in Washington who make the American people/homeland their priority instead of trying to score points against the other party. I haven't seen any candidate that fits this bill.
Just a hypothetical question, if she had voted against the war and the war had gone right, would Clinton have made a bad decision then too?
A majority of Americans were in favor of the Iraq war and now oppose it.  Guess they're flip-floppers, too.  Maybe we should take away their right to vote?  
Joe, Wash., "Obama is a creature of the media"???  Is that what you call $32,500,000 donations and more that 258,000 donors???  Did you just happen to ignore those facts because you had a pithy line you just couldn't wait to use?  Give us a break and do some real analysis.
Oh yeah, Obama was always opposed to this disastrous war and said so while he was running for the US Senate.  That's called judgment and leadership in my book.
Hillary Clinton is a joke.  Her politics are a joke because she has no politics.  She is swayed by whatever she thinks the voters want to hear at any given moment.  She had a very good teacher - her husband Bill Clinton.  I can't help but think that the American public is too smart to ever put another Clinton in public office, much less the presidency.  Both Clinton's behaved shamefully while in the White House and it clearly had an affect on how other countries view the U.S.  Please America - wake up!
Yeah, but Daniel, again look at what her campaign said today. And in response to another post above (forget who wrote it) this is a long way from over.

Does she think it was the right decision to invade Iraq?

We know she thinks it wasn't handled properly. We know her position that the troops should leave Iraq as soon as possible. But what we don't know, and what's relevant to us in terms of what she might do as president in the future, is whether she recognizes the initial decision as a foreign policy/national security blunder.

Her comments on the issue don't make it clear, and the release sent to First Read today suggest she does not think it was a mistake.

Ya know, I never thought of H.W. Bush as a particularly deep thinker. But the simple answer he gave in 1992 to whether we'd gain more than we'd lose if invading Iraq is starting to look pretty good. Too bad his son and Hillary Clinton didn't listen. Fortunately we have a candidate who did.
What a tough spot the Democratic party finds itself in.  Hillary is the odds on favorite to win the nomination, but the odds of her winning the general election are not good.  
even if she read the NIE, i doubt her vote would be any different. Has anyone commenting here read any (declassified)excerpts? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/nie-iraq-wmd.html
mm,ma -- the 1st Gulf war went "right" but was still a bad decision. It led directly to the 9/11 attack and the mess we are now in. Read the 9/11 commission report (even if Rudy refuses to).  In general "war is bad for children and other living things."
C'mon folks she's just changing her opinion to soothe the masses that are predominantly anti-war.. Hillary wants one thing only. To win the presidency race. Period. She doesn't care about us or those risking their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. The 9/11 commission cited major errors in her husbands interpretation on the data along with our current administration. She's a bandwagon jumper and that's all. God forbid that she wins the 2008 election. My vote: ANYONE BUT HILLARY 2008
Mrs. Clinton is surely getting a pass. She doesn't deserve one. It was clear, before this war started, that it was being cooked up for the purpose of going in and stealing the Iraqi oil. People all over the world were out in the streets saying it. Moreover, the evidence offered in support of the invasion was so thin that anyone with more than a fourth grade education could easily determine there was no legal basis for invading a non-threatening nation.

We violated international law. Everyone who voted for it or who has participated in this war is an international war criminal, including Hillary. Is a war criminal the person we want heading this great nation?

As far as I am concerned, anyone who voted for this illegal and immoral war is automatically unfit to be President of the United States.
Opponents have successfully used the term "flip-flopping" in a negative manner.
How negative is the term "listening to constituents"?
"I Cladius"- book by Robert Graves
Hillary Clinton is getting a pass on Iraq. She voted against the Levin Amendment which would've required Bush to go back to Congress should diplomacy fail; now she says she only gave Bush authorization so that he could get UN inspectors back to Iraq. Obama should be hammering her with this.
Whoever wins this election has there hands full.
The world has never been in this bad of shape.
Factories are closing,What is going to happen to Social Security.There is NO JOB SECURITY anymore.Insurance you pay for Dont
want to pay up when something happens What a snow job that is talk about crime then when something happens they want to cancel you.New Orleans
is still in shambles.Credit Card Companies start you off with 2.99% then after a while they start charging you 32% More intrest rates then Pawn Shops,But nothing is being done.Banks charging you $35.00 Bucks when you bounce a check,In which alot of times they our showing you more money in the account while they hold checks.Knowing what the little guy will do when he sees a little money in the account.Should start auditing them to see how many millions they make off that move.Ever wonder how they rent or own those big glass buildings.But will anything ever happen NO because they are the ones who run this country the small guy don't have a chance anymore.I guess the citizens in the U.S will have to eat rice and ride bicycles.You want something made in AMERICA check the antiques shops.To bad the people that vote for these clowns can't set in our leather seat and give us raises for voting for these idiots hell we have to pay for all there stupid moves.America needs a strong President but such poor choices.
Go Hillary!! The more the repubs and others scream about her, the more I like her.
So it is wrong to change our minds? I doubt any of us would stand to the scrunity the Clintons have been subjected to for the past fifteen years.  In a perfect world we want our leaders to be gods and without flaws.  And when they begin to believe it themselves we get leadership like we currently have with President Bush.  To error is to be human, to admit your errors and take steps to correct them is admirable.  Having read Bob Woodward's "State of Denial" I came away thinking how could anyone make an intellegent decision in regards to Iraq. If members of Bush's adminstration couldn't get it right with all the resources they had how could the public get it right?  We were fed so much hype that us life-long pacifists almost felt traitorous for expressing opposition to the impending war.  We as a society were still in post 9/11 shock.  It is easier now to look back and see that we may have been experiencing a form of mass hysteria.  Go get the bad guys!

But we have learned a lot in the last 5 years. No weapons of mass destuctions.  A country that we learned so much about after the invasion.  A very poorly planned operation that was doomed to fail due to the lack of reliable intellegence.  So now that we know more it should be expected that we reaccess our position, correct the course, adjust it as needed and get us out of there.  So Hillary has changed her mind a bit.  Thank goodness.  And thank goodnes others like Senator Lugar are expressing the need to re-evaluate. May a majority of others follow suite.
This is very sad.  You have women voting for Hiliary because she is a woman and you have men backing Hiliary because of her husband.  Whenever you challange a Hiliary supporter they aways say it's not about the past.  This why our country is going backwards.  Too many people are dumb enough to cast a vote without doing any research or because of media coverage.  The past is the only way to judge a candidates decision making.  They say, is sports, becoming a millionaire doesn't make you a good person.  It makes you more of what you are.  The same is for politics.  If you are a corrupt governer or senator, you will be an even more corrupt President.  There is no question that Hiliary Clintion's past is filled with more corruption than any other presidential hopeful ever.  Even her own brothers were in on the action.   In the debates, none of her ideas are fresh and thought out.  When speaking about Don't ask Don't tell, she used a slogan given by someone else which is a very stupid response.   Since she knows most of the Dem. are dumb enough to actually buy her crap, she just takes the answers from everyone else and adds a little more detail and the occasional, we are all in this together.  I am the father of 3 boys.  Anyone who agreed to this war without reading all the necessary reports themself should be removed from office.  That shows the people that the lives of our loved ones aren't that important.  If her daughter was selected to go to war, trust me, she would have read all the reports.  The fact that she does not have the decency to apologize is disgusting.  Look at her last meeting with the Indian caucus.  Pledging to continue to give them our American jobs by increasing the H1-B visas for lower skilled workers.  She is a Corporate politican who will say anything to get your vote and to make more money.  **Chew on this: She approved of this immigration bill that the majority of American people were against.  A bill that Corporate American wanted badly to increase their profits.  Had that bill passed, the middle class would have been wiped out before we could end the war. Why are all the Dems getting a pass on this?  Now if she was not interested in your voice then, what will change if she's president.** Male or female, if you have a history of corruption, this is not the time to be voted as President.  DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!
Senator Clinton claims that the administration lied to her? That claim makes her dumber than 22 of her Senate colleagues who saw through those lies and voted "no".

As for Team Hillary's other talking point--namely, that she voted for the Iraq Resolution to force weapons inspections--she's too clever by half. Senator Clinton is an able lawyer, and ought to have known that the resolution was a blank check. She didn't think the administration would abuse that grant of authority? Well once again, she was dumber than 22 of her colleagues.

When it comes to Iraq, Senator Clinton carries more baggage than the Twentieth Century Limited during the heyday of train travel.
Many of the writers are forgetting that the majority of the citizenry of the U.S. was wrong about Iraq.  Yes, the neocons succeeded in the "big lie" approach to justifying the war so it is easy to understand why "mom and pop" went along.  But for U.S. senators, given their access to intelligence information, highly paid staff, and publicly funded world travel as often as they wish, it is hard to go along with their claims that they were lied to or mislead. Hillary is only one example of an ambitious politician putting her finger in the air and casting a vote which would devastate a country and claim the lives of too many young Americans.  Yet she still can't admit her "error" - and apologize.  This is not the sort of leadership I want.
The media soft on Hillary?  HA!

What planet have you been living on, Murray?
How is Hillary ''fooled''when she did not even bother to even read[which she could have easily done] the Iraq NIE that was used by critics of the war as a bludgeon with which to beat Bush? Hillary is a phony as a counterfeit Confederate five-dollar bill,who is a handled candidate laying on the ultrasheen for the lefties.
MRS CLINTON WAS A JUNIOR SENATOR from NEW YORK AT TIME OF VOTE TO GO TO WAR on OCT 11, 2002 .

SHE ADMITS SHE DID NOT READ LEGISLATION, BUT WAS ADVISED OF CONTENTS OF LEGISLATION BY HER AIDES .

21 DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICAN LINCOLN CHAFEE, and INDEPENDENT JEFFORDS VOTED  "AGAINST"  GOING TO WAR.

DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS WHO VOTED AGAINST GOING to WAR included SENATE ARMED SVCS CMTTEE CHAIRMAN GRAHAM of FLORIDA, SEN LEVIN of MICHIGAN , SEN DURBAN of ILLINOIS  (BOTH MEMBERS of ARMED SVCS CMTTEE ).  OTHER SENIOR MEMBERS of SENATE WHO VOTED AGAINST WAR include SENATOR INOUYE of HAWAII, SENATOR FEINGOLD of WISCONSIN, SEN KENNEDY of MASSACHUSETTS , SEN BYRD of WEST VIRGINIA, ETC .

WHY DIDN'T MRS CLINTON CONSULT with THE SENIOR MEMBERS of THE ARMED SVCS CMTTEE, OF WHICH SHE WAS a MEMBER,  BEFORE CASTING HER VOTE ? ? ?

THIS VOTE & HER FAILURE TO SEEK COUNSEL from WISER , MORE EXPERIENCED SENATORS BEFORE  "VOTING FOR WAR"  SHOW A COMPLETE LACK of " JUDGEMENT" on HER PART , ESPECIALLY SINCE SHE DID NOT READ THE LEGISLATION ! ! !

MRS CLINTON, PLEASE STOP YOUR RUN for PRESIDENT IMMEDIATELY  . . . YOUR VOTE DISQUALIFIES YOU from EVER BEING PRESIDENT of OUR UNITED STATES  ! !
How about the media having some Ka-Hun-ahs and reporting what the politcal climate was like when this "war" broke out: You were labeled "un-patriotic" if you voted against the war.....Now talk about manipulation by our beloved Republican party?
When are the prez-wannabees going to grow some and tell it like it is?
anyone who would vote to go to war without some factual basis is totally irresponsible and is not qualified to lead.  to say that members of congress voted for the war without reading the intelligence reports is ignorance.  the truth is, most all of congress knew of the deceit and lies to the american people all along, yes, they were working hand in glove.  Why do you think they kept giving money for the war?  because they wanted to support our troops?    no, if they wanted to support the troops then they would have ended the war and brought them home.clinton voted against funding because she knows it would have destroyed her political career otherwise. but you can believe the rest of congress had her blessing in voting to fund the war.  people are not as stupid as the politicians believe as will be shown in the '08' elections.john doe
It's a tradition with the Clintons; Bill makes a pass with no penalty, Hillary gets a pass with no penalty.


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