This is an attempt to get fellow GOP Senators to vote for redeployment by September...nothing else. They know Bush will dismiss this. I don't know if it's me but are Democrats beginning to look more hawkish than Republicans these days now that the public has made up it's mind on Iraq?

Doesn't this sort of admit that they think the current administration doesn't have, at least, a viable plan?

Suh Weeeeeeet

Is this the cut and run plan of the Republicans?Or do they get to label it something else?

So now it's the "New Way Forward Strategy"?

We are now entering the 'end times' of this administration and this miserable war. Pull up a chair and a glass... the fun's about to begin.

Not sure how much teeth this threat actually has, but it could be a sign that antiwar GOPers are ready to get tough with this administration.

One Republican that isn't changing his tune is John McCain. Back from Iraq, he's still 100% against the antiwar "defeatists."
http://political-buzz.com/?p=262

end times? will there be a rapture? Who will be "left behind"?

Gee gents, why don't you grow a real pair between the two of ya and call for an END to this no holds barred, photo opted to death, disgraceful, slogan exhausted, budget busting, soldier killing, skull cracking DEBACLE?!?

Who will be left behind?  I don't know, maybe the 3900 dead coalition forces, 8000 Iraqis, 8600 Iraqi security forces, and 1300 contractors who have all been killed in this stupid war?

Anyone notice how irritated and uncomfortable Bush always appears during question and answer sessions with members of the WH press corps?  His body language and facial expressions say it all.  He loves to pontifcate and give his tried and true little speeches about being in charge but it's so obvious that he can hardly tolerate anyone questioning his poor judgement, his dissembling, his contradictions, his flip-flopping, and his support for liars and convicted felons in his administration.  He loves to remind one and all that he's the decider, the commander-in-chief, but he looks like wants no part of the responsibility of that comes with being President. He wants out of press briefings in the worst way.  Though he prattles on and on about democracy, he thinks it's for others, never feeling comfortable with it's necessary give and take.  He's a pretender to the throne, but there's nothing behind the facade - and he can't stand trying to explain what is unexplainable.

The redundant reporters ask the same questions over and over.  Gang, we can fight them over there or over here. The crybabies will really whine if we pull out and something gets attacked here (and it will). Why
didn't Bush stop it! Better get your prayer rugs quick.

Congress is wasting their time passing bills to end the fighthing, as long as they can't muster up enough support to override a veto. Bush will veto any bill to that effect. I am not a Bush fan and I am starting to have my doubts about the  democrats.

I believe Warner and Lugar should be drawing up articles of impeachment for Bush and Cheney!  I think the only reason we are still in Iraq is to protect the big oil contracts agreed to by the current puppet government of Iraq.  Wake-up America, it is time to put these imperial criminals, president and vice president, where they belong and that is on trial for high crimes against the people.  The Bush Administration is the crisis we face as a nation and impeachment is the cure for a president and vice president who act as though they are above the law (The Constitution) they swore to protect and defend.  The American People deserve better than Bush and Cheney!  The sooner we apply the cure, the faster the recovery will be.  So, impeach now!

I believe Warner and Lugar should be drawing up articles of impeachment for Bush and Cheney!  I think the only reason we are still in Iraq is to protect the big oil contracts agreed to by the current puppet government of Iraq.  Wake-up America, it is time to put these imperial criminals, president and vice president, where they belong and that is on trial for high crimes against the people.  The Bush Administration is the crisis we face as a nation and impeachment is the cure for a president and vice president who act as though they are above the law (The Constitution) they swore to protect and defend.  The American People deserve better than Bush and Cheney!  The sooner we apply the cure, the faster the recovery will be.  So, impeach now!

When are these guys going to do something GOOD for our country?
They do not have the balls to stand up to the thugs,
Bush and Cheney.  It is time to impeach.  The procedure for impeachment should be implemented asap!
The republicans have failed America.
Is there not one that has the guts to do the right thing?
Why do they all hate America so much that they will let the INSANE ONES flush it down the toilet!

Please Speaker of the House do your job and save our America.
 We must not let our democracy die at the hands of the evil pretenders.
 Impeach, that is why we have such a tool and it is desperatly needed, NOW!

The way forward

That is what George calls his Iraq debacle.
Then it had to be ammended.

The new way forward.
The next way forward.
Some way forward.
Which way is forward.
Forward my mail to Paraguay, I'm outta here.

OKay time to shut this admin DOWN.

Cut the money off, power of the purse must be used, now!

Pelosi do your job, dead soldiers are at your door step do not step over them. Do what is needed, end the money flow now!

Impeach the killers and stop the Evil they are spreading. Bush and Cheney are dangerous.

Come on Sherri, tell us how you really feel. I am fed up to. Never before in my life have I been so disgusted with all my elected officials. On one hand you have the war mongers who think this country is their own little kingdom, on the other you have a bunch of chickens who couldn't lead their way out of a tunnel with a bright light and arrows showing the way. How did we get here?

yes R. Merrell, I have noticed. It is very obvious. What I find interesting is that he seems to have lost his smirk. That was the "I can't believe you are swallowing everything I say" and "I can't wait to see the look on your face when you see what I actually do" smirk.

I wholeheartedly  agree with your sentiments Branden, but I believe you left out a couple of zeros.  By the most conservative estimates of those that really care and keep track as best as possible, over 100,000 human beings have perished as a result of this godless misadventure.

The "end times" that I will relish the most are those of McCain.  He is still stubbornly hanging on and Iraq and immigration should be bury him pretty soon.  He's just about at the end of the line on support and money.

The Iraqi OM sais "peace is possible without the US". In essence he is saying GO HOME.
Shrub and dick TAKE A HINT. They don't want us there.

Somebody's gonna hurt someone before the night is through
Somebody's gonna come undone.
there's nothin' we can do.
Everybody wants to touch somebody
if it takes all night
Everybody wants to take a little chance
Make it come out right.

There's gonna be a heartache tonight.
a heartache tonight I know
There's gonna be a heartache tonight, I know
Lord, I know.....

We can beat around the bushes;
we can get down to the bone
We can leave it in the parkin' lot
but either way, there's gonna be a  heartache tonight, a heartache tonight I know
there's gonna be a heartache tonight a heartache tonight I know.

"Heartache Tonight"-Eagles

White House comment-"Curses Foiled Again"-Snidely Whiplash (character) - "Rocky and Bullwinkle"- cartoon

"Who will be left behind?  I don't know, maybe the 3900 dead coalition forces, 8000 Iraqis, 8600 Iraqi security forces, and 1300 contractors who have all been killed in this stupid war?
Brendan from Illinois
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Certainly not the Jihadis, they'll be free to attack US Interests and citizens once Iraq is delivered into their hands by the Democrats.
Bin Laden wanted Saudi Arabia and couldn't have it, He then wanted Afghanistan and we made sure he couldn't have that either. He wants Iraq and has committed almost all available Al-Qu'ida forces and resources towards that goal, making it impossible, at least so far,to re-establish Taliban/al-Qu'ida rule.

Were Iraq to fall to an al-Qu'ida friendly regime the industrial base which mass produced a devil's laundry list of Chemical and Biological weapons for Saddam would rapidly be back online, Saddam's engineers had plans to mass produce Mustard gas using expendable Crucibles within two weeks of end of sanctions, and his sons had planned to provide technicians ,scientists, and technical support to Syrian based Jihadis so those resources would be available to al-Qu'ida just as they would have been had we not short stopped Ansar al-Islam.
Zarqawi himself had concentrated on Cynanide based gases and large blocks of pure cynanide have been captured in raids on al-Qu'ida safehouses.
Cynanide gas , like Chlorine gas , was seldom useful in open combat but perfect for killing the inhabitants of buildings or travelers on trains and planes. Its binary in that the pellets must be immersed in acid to release the gas, and very compact and easily hidden.
At least one cynanide plot was uncovered in Rome early on. The news reports were misleading since they seemed to think the terrorists planned to poison a water supply, Using existing plumbing to distribute poison gas is much more likely, just cut off the water and introduce the gas using a portable pump.

Iraqi Intelligence was experimenting with both Mustard gas and plant based knock out sprays up until the 48 hour ultimatum, something seldom mentioned though it appears in the ISG report.

Saddam knew Chemical weapons were largely ineffective against a modern army with protective gear, but perfect for mass casualty Terrorist attacks, al-Qu'ida knows this as well.

Insurgent/Terrorists in Fallujah had produced small quanties of both Mustard gas and Sarin but without access to the tens of thousands of Russian chemical shells confiscated by our forces the gases were more dangerous to them than they would have been to our troops.

Palestinian terrorist groups have claimed to have access to the same materials believed to have been transfered just before the Invasion, but without equipments and technicians these precursors and seed stocks are all but useless to them, and in fact much more dangerous to them than to Israel at this time.
We've seen just how easy it was for Hezbollah to hide tens of thousands of missiles and rockets, whatever else they have hidden from view is not something we can be sure of at this stage.

As long as the WMD controversy is a useful propaganda tool whatever CBW they have managed to scrape up will not be used, once it no longer is an political issue we can figure on them deploying whatever they do have when it's most convenient for them to do so.

Saturday, July 14, 2007



           When repetitive actions are totally consistent it leaves little doubt as to the motivation and intent behind them and to reason differently would just be to deceive one’s self.  The Bush administration has been so completely consistent in everything that there is no doubt that they are aggressively pursuing a private agenda for the benefit of a select few while offering the average American only subterfuge and the substantial costs.  It is apparent in everything and can be seen by all who will objectively look.  The gross dishonesty to justify, rationalize and excuse, to manipulate, intimidate and coerce, to disguise, cover and misguide is always there along with the benefit for those few who then support and return benefit to the Bush administration.  The bold, in-your-face arrogance is also there along with the rationalizing and/or ignoring of the costs.  Look at any sequence of events and the consistency is apparent.

           Currently there is substantial debate and considerable emotion expressed from all corners about what to do in the Iraq War, with the Bush administration once again demanding patience and continued acceptance for their ways.  The Bush position ignores all of the people, studies and information that contradict them and that indicate continuing as they are will only result in continued failure.  The administration attempts to urge emotional support for their position by identifying the effort as required in the fight against terrorism and against al Qaeda when it is documented that the major conflict in Iraq is really sectarian and criminal in nature, with Iraqis fighting Iraqis and with segments of their government posturing against each other while neglecting their responsibilities.  Recently there was even an instance of Iraqi police, who seem to be heavily infiltrated by sectarian militias, attacking American forces.  There is and has not been any benefit for America in this conflict but, once again, there has been and is continuing to be significant benefits for a select few.

           Politicians, partly because of considerable political self-concern, are at odds over how to deal with this political dilemma and are basically allowing it to continue; I suspect waiting for someone else to have the blame.  One course of action that is very logical and that would allow progress is to impeach the president (and vice-president) so that a new course could be initiated (on so many other issues too).  It isn’t like there isn’t any justification, in fact, it seems well justified and called for.  With Iraq, as with so much else, the American people, the legislature and the world have all been lied to: the justification for attacking was false (and resulted in partial abandonment of the real fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan), the reporting throughout has been creative, the supposed coalition, represented by the inequitable costs in lives and dollars, isn’t real and the abundant subterfuge arrogantly presented to rationalize failures and to distract from the substantial benefit for the select few is always there.  And, as always, there is that in-your-face arrogance as if it is their right.  The consistency that tells the intent and motivation is totally there and it completely justifies and literally demands impeachment!

We have been told for the last 6 years that we have not been attacked again because our policy is working. Now we are told there is a good chance we will be attacked soon. Should we then conclude that our policy has failed?

Hey HP Boston - you guys in Boston would have done your job at airport security, a lot of this mess would have been averted.  You guys really screwed the pooch on that one.

Now, get back to your Big Dig boondoggle you leeches.  Maybe we should cut off YOUR funding.

Impeach this moron.

Seems like because we're fighting 'em over there, there's gonna be a lot more of 'em to fight over there and over here.

Maybe next time around we shouldn't elect someone who is innaugurated with his left on the idiot's guide to foreign policy.

Lol, I just remembered a Dubya blunder from his first weeks in office back in 2001. Granted, reporters were gunning for him, trying to expose his lack of, well, anything. Someone asked him what the U.S. would do if the Chinese attack Taiwan. Of course he gave the stupid cowboy answer about how we'd use the full weight of the military to defend our ally. This of course caused a sleepless night in three capitals, as people scrambed to figure out if U.S. policy had really changed. The White House of course put out a statement the next day explaining what the president meant, lol.

Just started looking at this web site.  Looks like a hotbed of moveon.org and dnc types.  Any insight as to what is going on around here?

Richard Giles, my kid's squad came within an inch of having a firefight with a group of Iraqi Police back in 2005.  The IP wouldn't let them enter the IP building; kept stalling them with excuses about the IP commander being late for the meeting.  A month later my son came home and a couple weeks after that he heard of bodies found buried behind an IP station. Yep, it was the same one.  

Frank DeBeers, Don't bother asking questions of the libs around here.  They are too tied into their mantra of "Bush Bad" to even think about the questions.  If you ever try to engage them on a subject, they just come back and say "Bush Bad" "Impeach" " War Bad".

Then you get guys like 'Paul Miller'.  He sounds half-way intelligent until you start to see he's just cutting and pasting DNC and Moveon.org talking points.  Try to pin him down on something and then justs disagrees just to be disagreeable.

Miller is on every freaking subject here too, so you wonder if he's paid, or if he's just an old man with nothing better to do.  My guess is the latter, because some guy poking around here caught Miller for having the narcissistic tendency to write himself fictitious complimentary posts.

Enjoy yourself while reading and posting here, just for the addled brain writings of some of this countries far left libs.   I mean, it is MSNBC, what do you expect?

Lol Kale. What have you ever tried to pin me down on? For that matter, have you ever even asked me anything before?

And, nope, I didn't write any of those complimentary posts about me. I'd love to see Mark Murray figure out who is posting under multiple names, which I'm guessing he could do pretty easily if he wanted. They collect e-mail addresses and probably IP addresses too. Mark... any chance you might?

I noticed one of those "compliments" was repeated in another thread word-for-word. Very odd. Anyway, its nice to know you guys seem so focused on me, lol.

Oh, Kale, the only way you could notice I'm on every thread is for you to be reading every thread. That takes more time than what I do, because I don't read all the comments. Especially not on the some of the longer ones, like the one about the hot mic thing.

Yeah, I've seen the same thing regarding Miller.  A complete tool.

I walked through the first 15 subjects for today. You are right, this guy is on every subject, sometimes multiple times.

Does anyone put their real e-mail addresses into the box below?  If so, do you ever wonder why you get so much junk e-mail?

Paul the idiots are getting NASTY. We are doing a great job, you are a STAR!
Let us bow our heads and pray for the wayward ones.
Mmm seems they are watching.
We love having company, I will put the coffee on!

KRAMER..
Bushie is the killer on 9/11.  He had info and no security ANYWHERE!

I would suggest that we have more than Bush problems. I think Congress is a pretty big problem, too.  I will support the Commnander and Chief because he is the elected leader of our country.  Congress is a body of elected officials that have forgotten why they were elected (over and over and over again).  I would like to see a push to change out 50% of our Congress in the next 2 election cycles.  Then maybe they will go and do what we send them there to do.

He is YOUR elected leader a. g. plimlee.
Not mine. I never voted for him, I did not elect him.
I do not have a president.  I have shunned him, he is dead to me, may he rot in hell!
Cure the Congress, vote out the Rebublicans.  

Kale,

Quite an assortment of left wingers.

Helen

This was actually a pretty calm day.  Lot of humor from some people.  Lefties do not get humor, it is funny to watch their responses.  Wait until something big happens.  These people go nuts.  

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