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Novak justifies outing Plame & sources

Posted: Thursday, July 19, 2007 2:36 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro

At a breakfast meeting with reporters, Bob Novak defended his decision to print Valerie Plame Wilson’s name in his column -- which sparked the CIA leak investigation. And he justified his outing of several once-anonymous sources in his new book, The Prince of Darkness.

Novak contends in his book that Plame Wilson was “not now and never would be again” a covert agent. But he admits that CIA spokesman Bill Harlow asked him “to keep Mrs. Wilson’s CIA connection out of my column” and that the “revelation of her name might cause unspecified ‘difficulties’ if she traveled abroad.” He inferred based on his “experience with CIA jargon” that Plame “at one time had been engaged in covert activities abroad but was not now and never would be again.” He says he “learned much later” she had already been outed by a Soviet spy, “which had ended her career as a covert agent long before I wrote about her.”

He also says in his book that if given the chance, he’d print her name again. “I broke no law and endangered no intelligence operation,” Novak writes. This morning, he added he felt “disappointed in the journalism profession” for its reaction to his printing Plame Wilson’s name. “I thought we stuck together in things like this. I guess that wasn’t the case.”

One reporter questioned Novak on the ethics of unveiling sources -- who say they never want to be revealed -- even after their death. After at least one of Novak's sources died -- the infamous “Senator X” -- Novak said he felt justified in revealing who he was.

Novak quoted the following from “Senator X” in his Evans & Novak column: “‘The people don’t know McGovern is for amnesty, abortion and legalization of pot,' he told us. When 'middle America -- Catholic middle America, in particular’ -- once they find out, ‘he’s dead.’”

“A lot of people said I made it up,” Novak said. “I said I’d reveal it when the person dies.”

“Senator X” turns out to have been Tom Eagleton, who was at one point George McGovern’s vice presidential pick before resigning from the ticket after it was revealed that he was undergoing electro-shock treatment to treat depression. Novak labeled McGovern the Triple-A candidate -- supporting amnesty, abortion, and acid. Democratic strategist Bob Shrum, who worked McGovern’s campaign, said on Meet the Press this past Sunday that the label was one of things that sunk McGovern.

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Pat said:"The only reason for any of this way the Left wing's desire to stage an impeachment, really just an immature need for revenge to the Clinton "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" stone faced lie on national tv fiasco. I sincerely hate how some Americans put their political party before the interests of this world leading country.  Lemmings."

Reality says:

IRAQ AS IMMINENT THREAT
The Bush administration repeatedly claimed that Iraq presented an imminent threat to the US and its allies, although it would later claim:
On January 27, 2004, White House spokesman Scot McClellan claimed that the administration never said Iraq was an imminent threat. "the media have chose to use the word imminent" to describe the Iraqi threat. In a February 2004 speech at Georgetown University, CIA Director Tenet revealed that CIA "analysts never said there was an imminent threat" from Iraq before the war.
In terms of the administration claims it never said or suggested an imminent threat, below are a sample of such comments:
"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq." Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (09.19.02)
"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined." President Bush (09.26.02)
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. . . . It has developed weapons of mass death" President Bush (10.02.02)
"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is." President Bush (10.02.03)
"There are many dangers in the world; the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. President Bush (10.07.02)
"The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace." President Bush (10.16.02)
"There is a real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to America in the form of Saddam Hussein." President Bush (10.28.02)
"I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq." President Bush (11.01.02)
"Today the world is...uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq." President Bush (11.01.02)
"The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands." President Bush (11.23.02)
In January 2003, White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett, when asked “is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests”; he replied “Well, of course he is.”
In February 2003, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said “[t]his is about [an] imminent threat.”
In May 2003, Ari Fleisher was asked “Didn’t we go to war because we said WMD’s were a direct and imminent threat to the U.S?” He responded, “Absolutely.”

From: http://www.bushlies.net/homeliesatoz.html

The word you looking for Pat is "irony"
Novak is a dying breed - a reporter who digs up information and reports what he finds rather than invent a story he wants to be true for political considerations and manufactures "facts" by quoting the opinions of like minded hacks. I'm sure this is very frustrating for those used to the current crop of reporters.
A special prosecutor did not indict anyone for a crime in the leaking of Val's name, so it's safe to assume no law was broken in that regard.  The fact that Val would send her idiot husband on a fact finding mission was sufficient justification for a real reporter to think there might be a story there.
That her idiot husband would tell everyone he was sent to Niger by the vice president and then tell two different stories to the Senate and the New York Times should have led any reporter (even one from the New York Times) to think there was something to investigate.
Where is the barf bag at?  Reading all the responses from the treason supporting dumba$$ rightwingers is sickening.  Soon though, their day will come.
I dont get any of this .Didn't Bush even say if he caught the person that outed Plame that he would punish him or them. this entire republican administration is B.S. The solution to Iraq would be to ship them all over there and bring the boys home.
Incidentally how many of the scumbag republican have siblings in iraq. None.
Look how quickly character assasination and unrelated incidents come into the conversation to defend Novak and all his associates since Novak has a totally undefensible position.
Wow, it's amazing how brainwashed (ignorant? un-educated? dumb!?) republicans are.
This was a case of Americans endangering other Americans AND the country itself!!
Shouldn't all you republicans being incensed about that at least?
The hypocrisy is staggering!
Delmar, you, like many on the right seem to be a history revisionist. Plame was outed prior to Novak?! Keep saying it over and over, but it will NEVER be true. And the rest of you right wing nuts . . . dear God, Bush has been in office for 6 years. WHEN are you going to quit crying Bill Clinton?! Take some responsibility for your own doings. Quit blaming others. We are sick of your whining! As for Novak, I used to laugh at him when he was on the Sunday talk shows. Listen to him and you'll never consider him a serious journalist. He is a self promoting hack who should be writing for the Enquirer.
No one is accountable for breaking the law or ubstruction of justes when you can just slip in to the
fog (friend of george) impeach these crooks.
Bob Novak is just another bloviating right wing neo-con Brown Shirt weblog yobbo yapper who thinks he's a wit and is only half right. Novak's book is suitable for wrapping fish or lining birdcages, and if given a copy I'll use it for toilet paper.
To the Republicans, the worse your crime, the better your character. It's time to amend our Constitution to require recusal of judges in such cases as Plames' law suite. Judge Bates was appointed by "W"
    As a middle of the road conservative, I'd like to make a couple of points:  1)some Conservatives love to say liberals have a sliding scale of right and wrong, yet the conservative viewpoints I see here seem pretty ambiguous.  The CIA said she was covert--Novak gets to say otherwise?  Plus, let's not ignore the bigger treason--he outed Brewster-Jennings, too, a front company that other agents were using as THEIR cover.  Morel is quite right--we haven't been told how much damage these two revelations have done to our intelligence, but it's not hard to guess that other, innocent people, who were contacts for Plame or other CIA operatives using that company as cover were put at risk.  It's very possible this contributed to our present shambles of an intelligence arm today.  I have a hard time viewing that as anyting but irresponsible, possibly treasonous behavior, especially when we need eyes and ears in the part of the world Plame worked for the CIA.
   2)Dave, in TN  makes the term liberal synonomous with treason, and states it's funny to think of them caring about the fate of a CIA agent.  Reasonable people might understand that just as there are religious fanatics and totalitarian corporate shills among conservatives, there are also true patriots among the liberals, who genuinely believe in the laws of our land.  Am I the only conservative left who remembers it was dissent that created the United States, that a vocal minority of people in this country decided they weren't going to be good subjects and told what to pay, what to say and what to read by any King?  Now someone can read anything you care to write, listen to your phone conversations, and go through your financial files without your knowledge, all in the name of "security." This is not the land of the Free I remember.
    3)  To Noe Bullship--Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame worked honorably for the government for many years.  He happened to find something out which made statements by our heads of State a lie.  (It was a lie--I presume we can agree on that.) He told them it wasn't true that Iraq tried to buy uranium. The VP didn't like that result, so his gophers responded by outing his wife as a CIA agent.  Wilson was a little put out by someone going after his wife.  For that, you think he should be killed--euthanized, I believe you said.  You think that's a healthy view?  You should perhaps work on winding down a little.
   4) Not on the subject, but re-reading this, I'm sure the rabid think I couldn't possibly be a conservative, so how about this--I'm tired of hearing we can't throw 11 million illegals out of this country, we've got 11 million unemployed and they would damn well take the jobs if you stopped doling out cash to them for nothing.  I don't believe there's any reason Charlie Manson and people like him should be locked up for life, when there are perfectly good ways of ending theirs.  I don't think the government should spend more than they take in, I would be all for a flat tax on earnings, and Jesus and I get along just fine.  And I would love to see reasonable responses to articles like this, instead of postings that foam from the mouth.
How can one be covert seven years after being outed by the KGB(1996)and twice outing herself before any of this Dog and Pony show ever started?

If Plame was still covert, her handler's need to be fired. Once your cover is blown, it will always remain blown.

I guess leaking info to the press about NSA operation's through out the world doesn't count becuase the leakers are Demos. You guys/gals are smarter than a tree full of Owl's.lol
Good god, what delusional nonsense. If Rush told you that Viagra and little boys were a good mix, would you believe that too? Actually, don't answer that one...

Anyone citing Krauthammer should seek help.

And always remember kids, it's never Bush's fault. No matter how many lies, how many wasted lives, how many billions of dollars...
Plame covert?You lefty tinky-winkies are a scream!She served coffee and doughnuts to the real field agents.That's the long and the short of it, you blustering idiots!!But it sure is fun to see all of you mangling your words and sentences tripping over your dainty digits to vent your yellow spleens.Keep the laughs coming BOYS and GIRLS on the left!I love it....YAHOO!!
I have been an avid supporter and reader of Bob for years but this time he made a mistake[as we all do] and he should admit it. Unfortunately it is at the end of his career and he will be remembered for it;similar to Dan Rather  but not nearly as significant a mistake.
"[Judge] Bates, a Bush appointee, agreed with defense arguments that federal law protects Cheney and the other top administration officials from being sued for actions taken as part of their official duties.

"The way the defendants handled criticism from Joseph Wilson "may have been highly unsavory," the judge wrote, but "there can be no serious dispute that the act of rebutting public criticism ... by speaking with members of the press is within the scope of defendants' duties as high-level executive branch officials."

>Rebutting public criticism is one thing, outting a CIA agent active or inactive in the course of that criticism is another.

>In this situation, the outting of a CIA agent was not an official act, but a personal, malicious  attack by the White House.  And let us keep in mind that it was the Department of Justice itself that asked for an investigation of the outting.  

>You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
What I don't understand is he outted a covert agent and is still around to comment on it.  My how the Secret Service has fallen!  and the best comment so far is 'Rove played Novak like a $ 2.00 fiddle!'

My how the mighty have fallen!  

Novak is a treasonous poster child of the Republican Party. There strategy is simple, Orwell wrote about it the Russians did it. Accuse the other side of doing exactly what your side is doing...Loudly. Encourage fear, manipulate the media through leaks bold lies and and outright ownership (Rupert Murdoch). And don't forget to inform on your neighbor or suspicious looking ethnic individuals. The Rupublicans will have to put them under surveillance to make sure they don't threaten the Homeland. America is dead and the radical Right Wing G.O.P killed it.
how much longer do we have to listen to the right wing turn every criminal act this administration pulls into heroism?Be it an act of murder,prostitution,stealing taxpayer money for Cheneys Halliburton,lying,lying,lying and more lying,pedophilia,adultery,sobbing on the house floor(or just drunk) and praising a president that is a felon?Could go on but you get the idea---Bush lies when he says he is a born-again
If Novack was bvlack he'd be in prison and certainly not still a published writer.  he was never a journalist and he was never a self sarificing patriot. he is a Republican paid tabloid political assassin,
Gee Dave from Tennessee what a cute little conspiracy theory you & your neocon wingnuts have cooked up this time. Reminds me of when you and your supposedly leftist media echo-chambered the "Obama schooled in Madrassa" attempt to kill two birds (Obama & Hillary) with one stone.
Let's all remember the choice by NY Times to support Judith Miller as they and the rest of the MSM perpetrated lies of the admin/GOP rather than truth of the progressive Satanic peaceniks. Why? to shed the liberal label, they decided to print lies of the right instead of truth from the left.
Let's not lose sight of what this is all about. Lies abot the war. Forged documents that got us into it. Forgeries that impinged Colin Powell's credibility and led to death, trauma, displacement by the millions of refugees (including the Iraqi middleclass without which no real democracy will ever exixt), and draining of our treasury to the detriment of domestic security and infrastructure. Forgeries the whole world's intelligence agencies including ours knew were forgeries (no wonde so many who helped us in Afghanistan were against Iraq – and by the way you “what about Saddam” folks – good you got him, so let’s reduce to the 50,000 troops a la the Democrats’ proposal. Every ethnic group in Iraq wants us out by a vast majority. If there was democracy there the wishes of the people would be honored – hell even al Maliki said the Iraqis could handle it). It's not so much about Wilson (who was the most qualified person alive to do the Niger-Uranium investigation) or Plame (who's outing was an assault on our intel capacities regarding any WMD-terrorist connection in the offing). It is about how the neocons will attack a whistleblower by saying his wife had something to do with a brief assignment he was given, true or not (Probably Not) saying if your wife helped you get something, you're less of a man. What can we say about this trivialization in the face of the death and waste of Iraq these treasonous devils have wrought except they are attacking from a place of total id, animalistic reaction, the most base uncultured aspects of (barely) humanity. Just another in the neve-ending dominoes of scandal perpetrated by this clique of psychopathic sociopaths.
Remember too that Rove was fired by Bush I for what? An inappropriate leak to one Robert Novak.
The real subject of the investigation should have been why an elitist twit like Joe Wilson was involved in the first place. He didn't work for the CIA and wasn't even involved in any official capacity with the administration.  He just happened to have a little wifey, who worked for the CIA, get him the gig.  She wasn't a "covert" operative either and hadn't been for a long, long time. What a joke that was - "when we were sitting on the patio drinking mint tea, they told me that Saddam wasn't trying to buy yellow cake".  I guess with proof like that, there wasn't any point in even looking at the real data that had been obtained by the experts.

Joe Wilson and his wife have made a killing from the idiots that have climbed on their bandwagon.  How much money have they made from their books and speaking engagements?  A whole lot of moola for sure.  Obviously, they weren't too concerned for her safety after she was "outed", because they were on ever talk show and in every newspaper or magazine they could get in talking about how poorly she was treated.

What's even more frightening is how so daggumed many people will believe anything.  The more press the story got, the more people bought into it. It was much ado about nothing and was just another example of how tax payer's money is wasted.    
 Novak is a drunk. Impeach bush now!!!
For those of you who have never been associated with government service you should be made aware that there are tens of thousands of coffee-carrying agents like Ms Plame working at Langley.  The most dangerous part of their career is the chance of getting run over trying to cross the street on the way to work.  Come on, if her life were endangered by Novak's column would Joe Wilson have come out with an Opinion piece in the New York Times?  You have all been had by Wilson and the editors at the Times.  This was a political hit job from the start.  Get over it libs.  Get a job, or at least a life...
Novack should be subjected to a lethal wedgie. In fact, that would be a good end for all low-life conservative q----s.

  If Bush pushes liberalism in Iraq doesn't that make him a liberal? Realy radicals of the right,stop listening to the rants of your paid propagandists and learn what liberalism is.

  BTW there's an old long running word game in England that asks what is is? Rhodes scholars know about such things. The ignorant do not.
The hypocritical outrage of all the left wing Bush haters is laughable. The left has always hated the CIA and all other governmental departments, until it suits their purposes. The silly "wall" they created to keep CIA from talking to the FBI directly led to many intelligence blunders prior to 911. Me thinks Ms. Plame and her significant other protest too much. They had more than their 15 minutes. Goodbye and good luck.
It seems none of the Novak lovers here know how to spell and/or construct a decent sentence. Unsurprising really.
Did you ever notice that most of the Rush Limpballs supporters write the most illiterate messages?
As an independent "centrist" as far as politics go, I require help with something. Although this war may not be the most agreeable endeavor our country has ever embarked on, why do so many liberal Democrats keep talking about the "lies" that lead up to the Iraq war (including the Yellowcake Uranium story/Joe Wilson trip). Even though Bush pulled the trigger on the Iraq invasion, our biggest enemy when Clinton was President (and most militarily attacked opponent) was Iraq. He completely believed that Saddam had WMDs and bombed him for it(Google search- Clinton explains Iraq Strike December 16, 1998). Eye opening!!
I hate to say it but "Liberals" often sound too emotional to me. Facts are what count, not political affiliations.
all you dumbass republicans are blind and stupid,what bush says gos and its legal for his people but not for the average tax payer!!!!! get a freaking brain losers...
is it wrong or right?  Use my litmus test. What would a republican say if a democrat did the very same thing?  Answer: Scream bloody murder and shout about the democrats being traitorous whores that need to be executed.
Novak, Libby, Cheney and Bush are traitors to their country for outing a valuable agent, and no doubt getting her spy ring in both Iraq and Iran tortured and killed.  They should all be SHOT at dawn...preferably dawn tomorrow. I honestly do believe that these evil men betrayed their country, and should pay for it.
Bob Novak is a slimy lock step republican brainwashing tool that masquerades as a journalist. His lack of integrity and arrogance infects our newspapers, airwaves, government, and society as a whole. Mr. Novak and others like him will continue to ignore the fact that there is ample proof and documentation that Valerie Plame was a covert agent within 5 years of her outing by the republican hit team of Dick Cheney. He, Sean Hannity,Rush Limbough and others constantly lie on the air misquoting and distorting facts in order to further the "one party" agenda. As americans, we have lost our rights to privacy, habeus corpus, possi comatati. We have a president and vice president that have issued more signing statements than all other presidents combined, they have borrowed more money than all other presidents combined, they have lied and manipulated us into war, they have made the world a much more dangerous place, they have insulted the congress and the american people, and they are not to be trusted to ever tell the truth about anything. Mr. Novak and others like him are directly responsible for aiding, supporting and encouraging the facsist Bush-Cheney regime rape and plunder everything that The United States use to stand for. I say "Impeach Bush Cheney" NOW ! and Mr. Novak and people like him will be irrelevant.
Anyone who speaks out against or criticizes the Bush Admin. is attacked and pilloried as a wingnut. This is a pattern with those who disagree and publicly critique this administration, frequently by those who were formerly in it!

Wilson was sent to Africa to examine the "yellow cake" story. His investigation proved that it was not credible nor true. That fact is not in dispute even today. Yet Bush continued to use that piece of discredited evidence in his speech justifying the attack on Iraq.

In retailiation for his public rebuke of the President's "yellow cake" assertion, his family was attacked thru his wife. The Aldrige Ames story that he had previously compromised Plame's cover was investigated and proven false. The CIA asserts that Plame was at the time covert. Why would they claim this if it was not true?

Its interesting how Bush went from promising harsh punishment for the perpetrator who outed Plame as a CIA agent to commuting Libby's sentence and asking us to move on....Treasonous behaviour tolerated w/a wink and a nod by the still deluded 28%.

Lying, traitorous gasbag. What a twisted, evil little gnome.
Rush...who the hell listens to him?

Next
Wilson was sent to Africa to uncover the truth. Plame might have recommended him, but she did not make the final decision. Wilson came back and reported the TRUTH and he was ignored. Any patriot should have done exactly what he did. He defended our country against a group of people that were hell bent on destroying our country.

Unfortunately, this group(aka the Republican party) was successful in killing over 3500 of our troops and costing our country over half a trillion dollars and counting.

The cost of the Iraq war have been largely financed to hide the true costs. Just wait until all that debt comes due. You haven't seen anything yet.
me thinks the Dems are suffering from Irritable Bowel Syndrome.  Why are you all upset about Novak?  He is only one of about 20% of the print media who is Conservative, the remainder must be... Middle of the road?  Why not get your House Speaker, who promised to "Clean up the House" as only a woman could do, file articles of Impeachment.  You have the numbers, so where is the action.  I think the house of the Democrats is actually a FEMA mobile home, supported on left-wing concrete, and the tires are flat.  You have taken the lousy 27% ratings of the Congress controlled by the Republicans, to 14%. Instead of complaining, write a hand written letter and tell them to get the ball rolling.  They promised change, hold them to it.  They could buy some air time with the $95,000 freezer fund available to them by the Honorable Representative from Louisana.

Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson,  you can do better than that.  Really
It really is sad to think that ANYONE would think that it is okay to out a CIA agent. Regardless of whether she was ever going to be a covert agent again, or not. Not a single employee of the CIA needs the whole world knowing about their employment status. This is true for janitors, all the way up. And for ANY journalist to believe that they know better than anyone else is arrogant. Novak should be tried for treason. Then, I bet he would start telling some real truths - like who put him up to it...
noe bullship should be spayed and nuetered.
In this world of Ours, there are many uncertaintists and some certaintists;  but there is one absolute certainty; Novak has as much of a chance of winning the Pulitzer as George Bush has of winning the Nobel Prize for Science!
Hey skysoldier,
U R A real work of art; however, i doubt that there R any real soldiers out there that talk the way U do.

Man up skyboy, what is your real name? Let me guess, john smith, right?

How does someone with such a limited vocabulary think that he/she knows anything about politics, history, or bravery?

Yellow spleen, tinky-winkies, dainty digits?

How about cowards, sissies, and homosexuals? Too hard for you? Try treason, cover-up, or conspiracy. Either way, it is arrogance. Much like you.

U R A sheep!

Here's something to think about... Valerie Plame committed no crime... Joe Wilson committed no crime... and yet life as they once knew it is gone and it ain't likely to come back around to what it was once upon a time... Scooter ole buddy ole pal was found guilty of a crime... but that doesn't matter... he's got friends in high places... and civil suits be damned cause Scoot and company, why they got themselves friends in high places too!  Now let me ask you something folks... do you have friends in high places?  If you don't, you better be very careful... because if you are slandered or happen to be injured,make someone mad, etc., beat your wife or are accused of a crime you didn't commit or are somehow victimized you are going to have a tough row to plough.  What you have witnessed, whether you like Plame or Wilson is the good ole boy network in tall cotton and they aren't even trying to hide the fact.  They are flaunting it.  What does that mean to the rest of us? It means, my friends, that you better be able to handle your scandal if one should come along... and you better be prepared to lose everything you hold dear, 'cause there is no such thing as accountability for ones actions nor is there any remorse for wrongs... and ain't nobody losing any sleep except for the victims of the good ole boy network.  Can't happen to you?  Oh what utter fools these mortals be.
One of the sad truths about the entire Valerie Plame incident is that it is simply a political tool designed to discredit the President.  It fits right in with the overall Democrat plan to smear their Republican opponents rather than seriously accepting any real responsibility for governance.  I guess when you don't have much to offer, it makes sense to commit 100% of your efforts to making the other party look bad.

The sad part is that this is only one of many such vehicles.  Meanwhile the public pays millions and millions of tax dollars to pay for these sleazy tactics - and nothing gets done in Washington!  
Mark Jaeger has sums up how the Bush Adm. treats our 30 year civil servants when they do not agree with their lies.  Novak is a creepy little man who wants to make news not report it.  He too is symbolic to the how far this country and gone to the dogs. Power corrupts and Novak now has little if any credibility with any one who can think critically.
I read this recently: when JFK was elected John Wayne (who my grandfather knew) said "I didn't vote for him but I hope he does a good job".
Cant you guys realise that Bush is doing a terrible job? Just imagine a guy like him working on your house...
Horrible! And no way to get any retribution, even an "I'm sorry your roof leaks". Nothing... you would get nothing. I dont care if its Dem, Rep, Ind in that office, a good job is what I expect and it ain't happening here at all. Wilson was right and thats the end of that story. Plame was outed by GWB's adminisration and that is flat out illegal. You can spin it anyway you want but the reality is Bush is doing a shitty job at being our commander-in-chief. I want somebody whos not above the law, who loves humanity, who is intellegent- Bush fails across the board.
OOPs bush did it again..the
whole bush, cheney,rove and rice team want people to think
that they are the wronged ones, but we all know the real story on that subject
bush wanted to invade Iraq
and become occupiers of that country and be like the USA so he can be KING GEORGE BUSH!!    
Wow how dumb are you libs.  Clinton lied under oath at a grand jury hearing and in front of congress.  He is the only person in the history of the US who was allowed to bring a lawyer to a grand jury indictment!  Why?  Let me see there is travelgate where employees were fired and replaced with inexperience cousins and friends.  Filegate where 900 Republican FBI files were found in the whitehouse.  Talk about illegal wiretapping.  Why do that when you can just use the FBI to SPY ON REPUBLICANS.  

Watergate where Billory lost his "a hole" on a land deal and stole the money back illegally using tax payer funds to do it.  Susan Mcdougal still refuses to testify and is still walking around.  Supoenaed billing records "lost" from the law firm showed up at the white house with Hillory's finger prints on them.

Clinton fought a illegal war to divert Lewinski away from him.  He had no UN or congressional approval and killed untold amounts of civilians inclduding bombing the chinese embassy.  Isn't that murder?  How about the fact that UN inspectors documenting, the world knew and Iraq had used wmd on the kurds in the north.  It was common knowledge in DC dinner circles that plame was not covert because "SHE AND HER HUBBY TOLD EVERYONE THAT SHE HAD WORKED FOR THE CIA"!  The fact that one of the 1992 world trade center bombings and member of Al-queda was in Iraq before the war.  Or that Saddam paid $25,000 to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers in direct support of terrorism.

Just name me one person whose rights are being violated and what right it is being violated.  The wiretapping is from KNOWN terrorist outside of the US to unknown people in the US.  I have no problem with that.  They aint tapping YOU!  You are concerned with american lives being lost in Iraq.  What about the over 45,000 lives lost on our nations highways?  WHY AINT YA CHAMPIONING FOR THAT CAUSE?

Fact is you are a bunch of cry babies cause you didn't get YOUR way.  It's proven that libs join the military in far less numbers than conservatives so don't try to speak for us vets, you have no standing to do so.  For every Bush percieved crime you might have i got ten from clinton.  Any scandals from the Reps I got plenty of Dems.  For every Libby pardon i have a Mark Rich and two high level drug dealers who paid Hillory's brothers off.  Lets not forget the 6 US Attorneys fired (i worked with one in san diego who totally needed firing) Clinton fired ALL the US Attorneys when he took office becuase they were on to him for Whitewater.  He knew the justice dept was gonna be his down fall so he put his friend and Convicted felon WEbster in the second highest law enforcement position in the US.  He hand picked Friske to become lead whitwater counsel thus assuring himself of never being convicted of whitewater.

So hey dems shut up already.  You are nothin but a bunch of whining snivelling tax money wasting on meaningless Political stunts spoiled brats who are in dire need of serious spanking.
It's my contention that Madam Valerie "outed" herself. Please everyone read the history a little ways back. She did nothing to "hide" her position. Were any of you on Capitol Hill to know what you're talking about? One never believes unless one is privey to all facts. Is this all about getting money from a lawsuit perhaps? It wouldn't be the first time. Move on already!!!!


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