Go back in the cabin Ken. The world will end soon enough.

For comic relief all one needs to do is read any post by RH, jerri of course, Richard in Wash., and it seems anyone named ken.

Old Soldier: 1. Mission accomplished- It was.  Tell the crew of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln that they didn't accomplish their mission.  Re-read Bush's speech carefully and objectively and there might be a 1 in 100 chance that you'll see that there is nothing untrue or misleading or inaccurate about what it said at the time for the time and situation that existed.  It even correctly warned that there was a long way to go in Iraq.  2. Nothing factual about your conclusions here, just opinions growing out of political opportunism to trash George Bush and his administration.  Katrina and the suffering involved was shamelessly used for partisan political purposes.  3. George Tenet, held over from a Democrat administration against the judgement of many.  Now, that might have been a mistake, but claiming that his firing is some evidence of incompetence is bogus.  Just an opinion, but so is this "fact" you cite.  4. Actually, the general who supposedly got fired said we needed 350-400,000 troops.  Other generals supported Rumsfeld's plan.  As an old soldier, does your experience reflect the fact that there are great differences within the military chain of command about almost anything?  Again, you have supplied an opinion, not a fact.  Same for #5.  6. Harriet Miers- so what?  I thought it was great strategy to offer up a sacrificial lamb, energize the base and assure that we got Sam Alito. 7. Bush has some ways to go to catch up with Clinton on invoking executive privilege, but he is closing in on Washington and Jefferson.  Bush used EP the first time to withold documents related to Janet Reno and the handling of certain things during her tenure.  These documents were requested by Republicans and they were refused.  Executive privilege is well established legally. 8.  Actually, I do have a bit of trouble understanding this one.  But then legal parsing is rather intricate, especially when trying to determine what the definition of "is" is.  9. This entire statement is untrue since no charges for blowing a CIA ops cover were ever filed.  No charges, nada, even though we know who actually leaked Plame to the press.  Armitage is free as a bird and Libby may have been convicted of having a bad memory.  Just as likely, in my opinion.  And like you, all I have is my opinion.  10.  Gonzalez did nothing wrong, but again, you're entitled to your opinion and fully free to assist in political search and destroy missions.

You make a lot of serious and quite insulting assumptions about RH Oregon and his/her beliefs, motives and opinions with what is actually very little factual support, just your version of things.  That's normal, but still just opinion.

I thank you for your service, but it doesn't justify your final statement about RH Oregon. It erodes your credibility and it's disappointing that you resort to a worn out laundry list of partisan political talking points. I don't think your contribution to the debate elevates it much.  Even here, where one doesn't have to rise very far.

RH Oregon,
from what I have read, FBI testimony is backed up by other witnesses.  unless its a conspiracy to make gonzo look bad (too late!), it's a numbers game whereby gonzo's accounts conflict with almost all the other witnesses' testimony.  To me, it's a smoking gun, not definitive proof.  However, the only way to determine what happened is not in the court of public opinion, but in a court of law. If this were a criminal preliminary hearing, I would think there is enough evidence to bind the "defendant" over for trial.  Unfortunately, although the law should work that way, politics doesn't.

RH Oregon-  
No relations with that woman.  (and how many died?)
I never inhaled.  (and how many died?)
I did not have information on the whitewater deal.  (and how many died?)

Anything sound familliar here?

And, you are right about the FBI guy possibly being the wrong one here.  BUT- if it doaesn't get to court, or someone doesn't own up to it (lying), how the hell are we going to know??

Middle Tennessee:  When and how did you get so close to him?

MISFTTR?:

That was a hell of a comeback.  How long did it take to think of it, reader, before you asked to speak?  (Permission granted, by the way.)

Richard, Wash. State - My point on republicans crossing the aisle is that they should recognize that they are going to lose far less in 2008 if they attempt to work with the democrats in a more progressive direction (yes, a more liberal direction). You see in today's environment moving to the center is a progressive change and really not such a stretch for moderate republicans, perhaps for you it's distasteful, but for the country it's a good thing, in my opinion

Now about Clinton, was it correct to investigate his lying about receiving oral sex from Monica? - yes, because he was testifying under oath. He was impeached and was voted not guilty. OK, so if enough republicans see that Gonzo's impeachment should go the same way, then that's justice as we have it. But, they may decide he is guilty. Personally, of course I think he's guilty, and I think he's incompetant, and I think he is destroying the institution of the Justice Department.

As far as my stereotyping and generalizing the pathetic performance of this republican administration, I refer you to the evening news on any of the media outlets for the specifics.

Finally, I don't consider anyone who supports someone who is suspected of a crime to be guilty of that crime as well! That is un-American. People who believe suspected murderers are innocent are not killers as well! Now I do think those who voted for Bush in 2004 to be fairly naive, since it was pretty obvious then that he was not up to the job. But again, that's the American way - he won and now look what we have.

No problem Don, gives ya break from Tellatubbies though don't it.

Ted, just a comment on the perpetual lying machine of Washington DC, not justifing Iraq. Calm down.

What a bunch of rabid critters. At least I give you someone to yell at. If I was another one liner (zorro) what would you do. Sit here and beat your Bushes all day?

Look, folks, Faceshooter is all for Gonzo, so we can forget his EVER leaving, or being investigated properly, or being impeached.  With the Emperor as well as his mini-me the chimp behind Gonzo, it's a foregone conclusion that the guy's absolutely untouchable.  History might as well find the missing 18 minutes of Rosemary Woods's tape as uncover any damning evidence on Gonzo.  It'll all be erased and shredded. The slippery weasel wil just slip away...

Why when Dick Cheney is the subject the conversation drops to the lowest level? The man just brings out the worst in America.

Richard, Washington. State. My father was a life long Republican and an executive and he still managed to be an ethical professional. I have observed the executives at my company holding the line on employee benefts, laying off people, and making unpopular decisions, but still performing like people who expected to be accountable for their actions.  But, my God, have you seen Gonzales testify in front of congress? And then to hear Cheney praise him after that abysmal performance? I guess my point was, what the hell has happened to professional standards in this administration. In my experience, successful business people have a level of garden variety integrity that is lacking in the Bush appointees. I don't mean the Gates and Buffet types are cherubs, I mean they adhere to everyday standards of behavior, like not valuing a talent for lying in a subordinate over the ability to manage an office. I know I'm not expressing this very well, but I am just disgusted with the incompetency and lowering of common professional standards in this administration. I mean, managers at the local McDonald's would be ashamed to go before their supervisors and say "I don't know, I don't recall, I know I've made mistakes but can't say what they were..." etc. etc.

I was going to comment on cheney but then I thought, why step in shit. I just do not have boots tall enough to go there.

Re: Richard, Washington State "Katrina and the suffering involved was shamelessly used for partisan political purposes": That's as it should be. Between the Bush Administration's lackluster response during the storm and the fact that under cover of current media non-coverage, Bush has been backing away from promises made to rebuild New Orleans and strengthen her levees to Category 5, Katrina needs to be treated as a significant campaign issue and should come up in all presidential debates. It's far more than Edwards' haircuts, hedge funds, or how Hillary stands on Walmart. If this is considered to be "shamelessly" using Katrina for political purposes, so be it. Hopefully Jan. 21, 2009 won't be too late for New Orleans, a great American city which a Bush Administration with seriously misplaced priorities is being content to allow to die a slow painful death.  

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