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Chuck Todd, NBC Political Director

Mark Murray, NBC Deputy Political Director

Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts

Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:12 AM by Domenico Montanaro

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carly Zakin 
*** Hillary’s Surge: As we’ve said before, Hillary Clinton has had quite a run in the presidential campaign so far. And the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll backs that up. She now has a 21-point lead over Obama in the Democratic horserace (43%-22%) -- up from her 14-point lead back in June (39%-25%) and her five-point lead in April (36%-31%). In addition, she leads Giuliani in a potential general election match-up, 47%-41%, when those numbers were essentially reversed back in March. And in this latest poll, a whopping 74% say that at least 24 straight years of Bushes and Clintons in the White House won’t be much of a consideration when they vote. 

*** Positives And Negatives: Another question in the poll shines light on what has worked for Clinton -- and what remain her potential problems. By a 53%-22% score, respondents say they feel positive about her experience and competence; by 44%-29%, they feel positive about her values and character; and by 42%-28%, they feel positive that Bill Clinton is her husband. But then the obstacles appear: By a 39%-30% margin, they feel positive about her warmth and compassion; by 38%-31%, they feel positive about her personality and style; and by just 33%-32%, they feel positive about her positions on the issues. And speaking of the issues, 46% view her as a liberal versus 35% who see her as a moderate.

Video: Hillary Clinton leads Democrats at 43%

*** More, More, More: That’s just a tiny glimpse into the new NBC/WSJ poll that comes out today. For more on the survey -- which has plenty of questions on the 2008 presidential race, Iraq, the economy, and other issues (like Michael Vick!) -- tune into NBC Nightly News or click onto MSNBC.com at 6:30 pm ET.

*** Obama As Jack Bauer? The biggest benefit for the Clinton camp in the new NBC/WSJ poll is that the chattering class will use the results to bolster the idea that Obama has been stagnant -- at least nationally. But the candidate has some good news to tout in a recent New Hampshire poll. Also, Obama gives a counterterrorism speech this morning that puts him in the political spotlight. In the speech, per excerpts, he implicitly counters an argument that Clinton made in June: that America is safer today than it was before 9/11. “Because of a war in Iraq that should never have been authorized and should never have been waged, we are now less safe than we were before 9/11.” Another opportunity to make Clinton’s position seem like the Bush position? Obama, moreover, will also call for deploying at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan (yet stresses that the solution there is also political and economic). And he challenges Pakistan to make progress in closing the terrorist camps in that country. “If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.”

*** What’s Worse: A $400 Haircut -- Or This? Mayor Bloomberg, welcome to presidential scrutiny! The New York Times has one of those stories that could haunt the candidate-to-be for longer than some think (and could have more legs than any other story today). Bloomberg is driven via SUV to a specific subway stop so he can take an express to City Hall. "On mornings that he takes the subway from home, Mr. Bloomberg is picked up at his Upper East Side town house by a pair of king-size Chevrolet Suburbans. The mayor is driven 22 blocks to the subway station at 59th Street and Lexington Avenue, where he can board an express train to City Hall. His drivers zip past his neighborhood station, a local subway stop a five-minute walk away. That means Mr. Bloomberg -- whose much-discussed subway rides have become an indelible component of his public image -- spends a quarter of his ostensibly subterranean commute in an S.U.V."

*** On The Trail: Elsewhere, Clinton is in DC; Dodd appears on FOX’s O’Reilly Factor; Edwards, in California, speaks in the Silicon Valley Leadership Group's "Road to the White House" speaker series and then raises money in San Francisco; Kucinich is in DC; Huckabee is in Iowa; McCain holds a town hall in Palo Alto, CA; Richardson fundraises money in New Mexico; Romney campaigns in New Hampshire; and Fred Thompson raises money in California.
 
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I've watched CNN & MSNBC on the polling data. This is BS. Any number favoring Clinton is widely reported and Obama & Edwards is swept under the rug. I remember a Situation Room CNN segment saying the national polls don't matter, only the early states matter. Did they poll all 50 states or just NY? I guess Obama closing in NH & SC is complete BS. Only the popular vote matters...wait I thought it was electoral votes? FYI for current early states:

             IA      NH     SC
Obama         15%     31%    33%
Clinton       30%     31%    29%
Edwards       21%     14%    18%

The coverage of St. Clinton is really getting old. Who cares about Chelsea joining the campaign? Unlees she is running after Jeb Bush 2016-2024. She would be 43 then. Just the right time to run as the 2nd lady president. By then the Bush clan should be ready for another run. By the way, what hostile foreign diplomatic talks has Mrs. Clinton been involved in? Why hasn't she disclosed ALL of her earmarks? Where is her healthcare plan? How does she plan to get out of Iraq? Instead of attacking everyone elses position just answer the questions.

I feel bad for Obama and Edwards.
Maureen - you go girl; nice final sentiment.

Juan - GET 'IM MAN!!!

:)
MK: I'm OK with an Edwards/Obama ticket. But, I think you may be wrong about Obama's electability.

After 8 years of Bush, the country is ready for a change.
Obama (and Edwards) both represent change.

If you remember the 2000 election, the country wanted change then. After 8 years of the Clinton follies, it was understandable.
That's why Gore ran away from Clinton.
That's why America elected our current bozo.

I like Edwards' populism. I like his views on economic equality.
We've got to get away from the DLC induce 'free trade' madness.
We've got to get away from 'de-regulation' and start to enforce and enhance anti-trust laws.
Mainly, we've got to get away from 'Pax Americana' and the American Imperial pretensions.

I'm hopeful that Obama or Edwards might make moves in that direction.

Edwards/Obama would be great ! Obama/Edwards would be great ! I hope for either.

President Obama might help get us over our racial divides. America has a long history of racism (racism is as American as apple pie).

Hopefully, President Obama would slowly dissolve some of that.
Try to remember folks, we are still 18 or 19 handed in this election race.  Getting anywhere near 40% is a large disproportional share.  Those number will increase substantially the field narrows.

If you believe that the media 'shaped' the war or the election, try to consider those pesky weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) that we have stockpiled up over there.  Incompetent Dems & Reps are the reason we have such a mess in this country.

It's time for Ross Perot to make a comeback.
Hey, Juan--maybe you should are the one to get his or her facts straight. Since when was the Wall Street Journal "officially" owned and transferred to Mr. Murdock?

As a voter, I and the people who think as I do which are the majority of the people from the Southern and Western States, can set any litmus test for a president that we choose.  The infidels can do likewise.

We can only hope that the proposition on electoral votes in California passes which will put a big hole in Miss Hillary's plans for the White House.  Miss Hillary is a disgrace for her socialistic plans for the nation and for the fact that she approves the premeditated murder of unborn human beings.  She also approves of using the bodies of these humans for stem cell research.  In other words, create a human being, kill it and use its body to make the lives of others more comfortable.  That is the Michael J. Fox and Hillary Clinton version anyway.

Anyone who thinks that George W. Bush is an idiot is in need of serious IQ testing.  He may not do what you want him to do but don't dismiss him as an idiot.  To do so only shows one's selfishness and lack of knowledge of world events.  

The economy is in great condition, the jobless rate is at an extremely low point ( some call it full employment ), we have recovered from the Clinton depression that hit the stock market in March of 2000.  This was something that George W. inherited from his predecessor but was hardly mentioned in the liberal news media.  But those of us who had money in the stock market know when the depression set in and it was in March of 2000.  George W. took over in late January of 2001.  We are far better off today than we were under the Clinton co-presidency.

Let the liberal North and socialist Pacific states have Hillary.  Just let us have someone who is decent.  She is going to fracture the country past the point of being a "union" any longer.
Now let me tell you how it ought to be!!!! Hillary for president for eight years, Obama for vice president for the same eight years followed by eight years as our president with John Edwards as his vice president!  twenty four years of continuous, intelligent, loyal, conscienious, caring and brilliant leadership! WOW!!!!! It will take all of that to bring us out of the gutter, where we have found ourselves in the last, soon to be eight years, then bring us into a state where we can be proud to be Americans who stand up for what is right!!  In the words of President Kennedy, "Ask not what our country can do for us; but what we can do for our country!"  These last several years has been "What do I get out of all this?"  I call it the "ME, ME, ME YEARS"!
We need to be focused in our goals, principles, and not a flip-flop "poll" country.
If you have a bad neighborhood you will not take the police out and let them be a huge hazard for us, and Hillary will not do that she knows better, but to get votes she will tell otherwise.
Who ever manages a business know that long term goals need to be supported until accomplished. Is easy to say that nobody like war, me also. Nobody like to fire employees, but sometime you must do so.
It's all about name recognition. That's why Hillary leads. I still think the nominee will be John Edwards.
People wake up...... As a democrat myself, I beleive in one thing what ever it takes to get the Repukes out of office.  So if Hilary gets the nomination that I will vote for her.  Do I feel right now the Dems might being giving away the presidency yes.  As unfortunately backwater middle America will have a problem voting for a women and even a bigger problem voting for a black man.  I am hoping for the dark horse to appear and run "is that Al Gore" maybe.  No matter what even if we lose the presidency we need to have a super majority in congress that way the dems cannot be stopped from fixing the damage done by Bush and the Repukes that were in power for too long.
Hillary is a huge mistake for the democrats. She'll help us lose another election we've got no business losing.  And if all the people that hate her forget to show up and vote? What do we get then? Oh, more war, and no health care reform (Hillary is the #2 in $$$ from insurance companies behind W, geniuses).  More of the same.  I can hardly wait.
Ok, politics wise, fan of Obama. just check his voting record, cause actions speak louder than words. For military and presidency issues, I agree, you have to know it to command it, and some things are less important, but issues in the house can reflect your morals and ethics, so, it is still important. Lastly, for those who say Iraq is a mistake: Have you been there? Try it some time, because what WASN'T reported before we got there is alot worse than what is reported now that we are there. EXE: Ever seen a vat of acid used to torture people feet first?
As far as going into Pakistan, we have to be careful of the regional imbalance that is already occuring between the Clerical Muslim masses and the pro-Bush military government. There is already armed combat that isn't really being covered, and if we make the people in the region more angry, we might end up with rebellion and a ANTI American government in power. Its better to have someone who gives a little help than someone who activelly opposes us.
The only way to honestly look at American politics and foreign policy is find the little victories, and work for big ones, and be happy with both, instead of always looking at how much better it could be in a perfect world. We should NOT send troops into Pakistan unless we are invited. That could end very badly.
I am a HUGE Obama supporter - "JasonMercier" on www.barackobama.com with over 1100 sign-ups so far.

I am hoping that Barack is 'pacing' himself and will jump on a wave of enthusiasm as the primaries grow near.  Why blow your load this far in advance, right?

MSNBC is pro Hillary, so anything other than positives you will need to search long and hard to find.  Oh, but something good comes out on her or bad about Barack, and it is splashed all over the home page!  Journalistic integrity means nothing on MSNBC.  She critizices Obama about dealing with rogue nations and it is bold print...Obama comes back with Hillary saying the exact same words months earlier, and nothing is said...Winner Hillary, right?

As long as we let media influence us, we are truly a lost nation.
So, she leads by a significant margin, but people aren't really comfortable with her stand on the issues???  Is it just me, or is something wrong with that?
PERSONALITY?  WHO CARES.  Damn, people, this isn't an american idol competition, this is the PRESIDENT.  Shouldn't we be evalutating the contendors' credentials and positions rather than "do we like them personally, or do we favor their style".  SHEESH.  We get what we deserve if we elect another "guy I could have a beer with". Look what it got us last time!
I have been thinking all week about how my generation of women is transitioning in this age of new media.  I read articles saying how suburban women in their 30's and 40's are supporting Hillary and how they will be the group that ultimately gets her elected.  Often the polls that say she's leading that also suggest it is because of these same women.  But the more I think about this, the more it makes no sense.  There is no way that traditional polling is accounting for how women my age are going to vote.  I'm a suburban woman in my 30's and I wouldn't answer the phone for a polling company if I had to.  How many women do you know that don't screen their calls using their caller id's?  All the moms I know are at the height of multitasking when those kinds of calls come in.  I can guarantee answering a bunch of questions on the phone while emptying the dishwasher, acting as a toy-disagreement-referee, planning a weekly schedule, wiping a little nose, and helping someone with their homework is just not going to happen.  As a matter of fact, I have several friends who don't even have home phones anymore...they just use their cells.  So who exactly is answering these calls and taking the polls that show Hillary in the lead?  I have a pretty strong suspicion that it is the group of women that is one generation older than mine.  This group is probably less likely to have caller id.  Or maybe they have it, but don't care as much about screening out 800 and unfamiliar numbers.  So their views are accounting for the rest of us.    As much as I want my beliefs reflected in national polling - because I know numbers show trends that create buzz that raises money and gets media coverage - I'm still not going to answer a poll call.  So what do you do if you are an organization trying to get real data in this age of new media?  Send me an instant message that takes me to a website polling company.  Let me take a poll generated in email.  Have me watch something on YouTube and then ask my opinion about it.  But don't use a technique that was outdated 10 years ago and then tell me that's how my contemporaries are going to vote.  Most of the candidates have embraced new media.  I just am waiting for the day when the organizations that conduct polling catch up with them.
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Yes - the Hillary-Murdoch merger has been quite successful - and it's obvious NBC/MSNBC got the memo since they've been crowning her prez from the gitgo.
Also her chief strategist, Mark Penn, is well equipped with Rovian tactics.
"twenty four years of continuous, intelligent, loyal, conscienious, caring and brilliant leadership!"

And, we'll have a much simplified tax system when this is done.

The People: Ms. Government, how much of our hard earned money do you want?

The Government:  All of it.
New Hampshire is a freakshow of demographics? You don't know what color you are?

In 2005, NH was: 96.97% white.

26.6% French or French Canadian, 21.1% Irish, 20.1% German, 10.4% Italian, 7.8% Scottish

Funny. I don't think the rest of the country has any difficulty figuring out what "color" you are. A freakshow of demographics? Your little state has fewer people living in it than the city I live in.
Clinton & Obama together - They could win.  Of course the voting machines will be hacked again by the repukes.  
I prefer Obama, but would absolutely vote for Edwards or Clinton....No way will I vote for any of the Republican candiates...

Yes - Obama even asks the poor to fund his campaign! while he's raking in millions from the corporateers.

http://tinyurl.com/27bopy
The only way the Democrats can win the whitehouse in 2008 will be if there is a paper trail to prove the votes.So far Florida is fighting to keep their easily manipulated machines in place.And we can plan on the republicans again caging voter registrations.Perhaps we can do the "purple finger"vote that is done in Iraq.
When all is said and done whoever gets the dem nomination doesn't stand a chance in a nationwide election against guilliani or thompson.
I love the way the talking heads take one point and take it out of context and run with it.  Right out of the Bush/Rove playbook.

Now you have him going to war with Pakistain...good grief.  Answer me this if you had "ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE" as to exactly where Bin Laden was and could get him and Pakistain wouldn't what would you do?  Let the Taliban continue to get stronger and Osama get stronger again too.  Wasn't this what everyone was screaming about when supposedly Clinton didn't hit him years before prior to 9/11?  Or Bush in Tora Bora?  Do you really think anyone would do differently if they knew where he was?  Do you think anyone would do it without talking to Pakistain first?

Either most of you are just playing dumb or you really are and I am not sure which is worse !!
Jerry, of Corpus Christy:  If you would like to know what Hillary has "done", check out her bio at Wikipedia.
Let them use nukes...yes we will suffer some casualities.  But Pakistan will cease to exist.  We can not keep letting terrorists come into this country and commit terror upon our citizens only to have refuge into a country that possess nukes.  Obama have it right...something Bush should have done instead of invading Iraq...Pakistan should have been his primary mission.  This would have let Iraq, Iran, and the rest of those country know that this is a notice to the world that whoever habor terrorists will be sent back into the stone age.    
Who is this csh/chicago who shows up across the net bashing Obama? I sure hope the Clintonistas pay you well. It is time to turn the page from Bush/Clinton/Bush; we need a fresh start to prove to the world that American ideals and actions are once again aligned properly. Our nation blew a historic opportunity to lead the world to a better, safer, more equitable world after 9/11, but the Neocons hijacked the agenda and plunged us foolishly into the horror of Iraq. Hillary is Bush/Cheney Lite; we need a fresh approach. Can she really do humility and cooperation on a world scale? I don't think that is in her makeup.
National polls mean NOTHING at this stage of an election cycle. MSM will attempt to couch issues and races in ways that make it easy to digest, not make it meaningful for citizens trying to understand nuance.
What type of American leadership do we want going forward? Any of the major Dems would be a vast improvement, but the Clinton executive office time has come and gone. Content yourself with being a NY Senator for life, Hillary. It is a wonderful gig and you can continue to accomplish great things at that level.
GONZO-GATE IT'S JUST THE "TIP" OF THE ICEBURG !
The next president doesn't have to be a Rhoades scholar (Bill Clinton), but he DOES need to pass a civil service exam!...sorry Mr. Bush, but you're just not qualified to run the store.
How come everyone forgets that Bin Laden and most of the 911 terrorists were trained, and worked out of Saudi Arabia?

Everyone keeps thinking Iraq and Pakistan are related to 911... The Bush family had some left over issues to settle in Iraq... fine... But the war on terrorism isn't being fought in Iraq or in Pakistan!

Remember where this conflict even started? Oh thats right, Afganistan... So first Afganistan, second Iraq, then Pakistan... Okay...

So hard to keep it straight... Seems like you can't really wage a war on "terror". You kind of need to figure out who it is you are fighting... (i mean how can it be Afganistan, AND Iraq, AND Pakistan, but not be Saudi Arabia?

Or you can just send troops and say "make them free". But since more people are dying in Iraq now, and more civilians are dying than ever before in Iraq under Saddam, who is the real source of terror? Was it really Saddam? Or was he doing the best he could for his country under the circumstances. He certainly did a better job than the U.S. Army/U.S. Army created Iraqi Government is now...


Another Clinton special-interest engineered poll...
to support a candidate so entrenched in corporate confabulation, including health care, we can look forward only to more social poverty, pain, educational inequality and related community violence...

Bill Clinton was one of the worst presidents that this country has ever had. He set the stage for the Bush debacle by his enablement of corporate highway robbery. He lied not only about his sexaholic sleazy behavior, but he also consistently lied to supporters and to the United States people.
In his eight divisive years in office he ran the country aground security wise, enhancing the likelihood of once and future 9/11s. He allowed World-Com, Enron, Health South, and other shareholder robbery debacles to finagle and multiply throughout his adminstration while he fleeced the USA public into beliving the seconomy was sound and the dollar crash the day after the Republicans were elected was the Republicans' fault. Huh? I am a progressive leftist, not even Republican and that is just plain stupid.
During his tenure he conducted his affairs not by pricipal but by poll. He was a Celebrity president which means the media treated him as if he were a rock star. A rock star like Bono would have made a decent and socially just president. Bono has more experience than Bill Clinton did when he was elected. And all of the experience that slick Willy  has is  his shrewd and false 'altruistic' posturing: in reality he is the new carpet-bagging ten million dollar confidence man still profiting on the backs of the poor and broken middle class.
God help us if the choice is between the two most dishonest celebrity presidents Giuliani and Billary Clinton. in Giuliani's years in New York he decimated every worthwhile social program for kids, disabled and elderly. He used nepotism to purchase political currency. He, just like the Clintons. used phony polls and even white-out to irradicate the negative outcomes of his policies, while similarly behaving like a selfish and undisciplined boor in office. His mismangement contributed to the huge toll of 9/11, the while he stood tall on TV after the debacle his cheapskate budgets  towards the police and fire departments and his kid in candy store for personal gain policies caused.I was there when the richest City in the world balanced its bufget on the backs of its poor. When instead of sharing resources and culture, stealing by the rich became socially acceptable, destroying democracy.

Our culture and even our world  has run amok because of the confluence of appearance with reality. Kids see success not as something one becomes because one is a decent person but because one is a self-glorifying corrupt exploitive rich celebrity 'good-looking' person. We are enculturating the kids to believe that their social worth is based upon how they appear to others, what they own, no matter how they get it, no matter who they hurt to get it ,and not who they become as valuable, self-sacrificing,  spiritually beautiful (even if homely by celebrity standards), MATURE , socially responsible human beings.
Until or unless we restore to our helm an individual who is a conciliator and a consensus-maker, but above all a leader who is able to act beyond party loyalty and corporate bribery to put the common good of our nation before his own personal aims and search for power and glory we are going to continue to disintegrate as a nation and invite the disapprobation of other nations because we say 'do as i say' not 'do as i do': we are the world's biggest rogue nation, incapable of cooperation, a country like the people who lead us:hypocrite, cheat, bully, and liar: scarier now because we have  had sixteen years of same and  are even contemplating 8 more.
The Clintons and the Bushes are profiteering special interest sell-outs whose legacy is all the female,child,disabled,elderly  and single male poor exploited for money through drug sales and prison jobs etc,by the rapined working class, and exploited in large numbers to provide jobs in insititutions like failing schools (in which most of the adults not just the kids are cheating) or to fight our war , by the sinking midde class.
We are all are the losers in  brutal domestic and global  Clinton and Bush facilitated social darwinism.
We have some decent choices for president. People whose lives reflect their integrity, courage, and capcity to take a hit for reality if necessary, not duck it with a lie. Only authentic efforts  can result in actual -- not phony publicized on paper only-- positive outcomes.
I pray we choose wisely and  support the best in both parties based upon character,compassion, and above all the courage to speak truthfully. Then whoever wins we cannot lose.

i personally consider the best candidate by far to be Obama.
I believe Hillary Clinton will be the next president and will be the best president we ever have.
Your coverage of the presidential campaign is pathetic.  And the same could be said for American mass media in general.  Instead of in depth coverage of where the candidates stand on issues that affect our lives, most of your stories deal with the polls, who is winning, who is losing, who is collecting the most money, who takes an SUV to a subway station, and who pays the most for haircuts.  Do you think that this facilitates a strong, effective democracy in the U.S.?  
they all suck and lie too
If a another Republican gets elected, I'm moving to Canada!  

A Clinton/Obama ticket is unlikely, given the past week.  I started as an Obama supporter, but more and more I'm leaning toward Clinton.
Let me make this clear,” Obama (Bush) said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. “There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”
Thousands of Taliban fighters are based in Pakistan’s vast and jagged mountains, where they can pass into Afghanistan, train for suicide operations and find
refuge from local tribesmen. Intelligence experts warn that al-Qaida could be rebuilding here to mount another attack on the United States.
Obama would have voted for the war if he had been there to vote his statements here pretty much prove it. He would invade Pakistan using the same intelligence sources as the administration used to justify their invasion of Iraq.
I THINK A DRAFT GORE MOVEMENT WILL BE IN ORDER NEXT SUMMER BESIDES HE WAS ALREADY ELECTED ONCE, HEH.
Whaaah! The media backing the Clintons? Oh please! For years and now almost every night you can turn on any news channel and hear Clinton bashing. Snide remarks from Tucker Carlson and Chris Matthews, and unsubstanciated stories(lies) about the Clintons from Wolf Blitzer. Repubs are absolutely petrified of them both. POSITIVE write up? Surely you jest.
MSNBC is pretty obvious campaigning for Hillary Clinton...
All shows on this channel either defends her or shouting it out that she is ahead of polls....never heard off in any channel..disgusting!
I can assure you,this is getting nowhere!
Paula, Philadelphia PA, so you don't "like" her, what does that mean?
Look at the trouble we got into because people voted for someone they "liked" instead of someone compitant.
The next Pres will have a mass on their hands with no margin of error.  We cannot afford to vote in someone who will learn on the job.  Clinton, Biden someone qualified.
Hillary fans,

There are two bills already in the House and Senate to reinstitute the draft.  Both bills were introduced by Democrats.  President Bush has vowed not to sign them if they make it to his desk.

The question that I have for all of you liberal Miss Clinton supporters is this: "If Miss Hillary is elected President of the "United" States of America, are you willing to have your daughters sign up for the military draft along with your sons."  Since Miss Hillary ( presumably a female ) will be the Commander-in-Chief of the all armed forces then there should be no reason why women should not have to put their butts on the line in equal numbers with young men.  Or do you believe that a man's life is worth less than a woman's which is to say that a woman's life is too precious to be lost in combat as opposed to the loss of a man's life.

I personally feel that each life is equal and if a man is drafted to fight on the front lines, there is no reason why a woman of equal age should not be asked to make the same potential sacrifice.

Remember the two bills in the US House and Senate are sponsored by Democrats and with a Democratic President, there should be no reason why it should not be passed and signed by the President.  It would be rank discrimination against men if the bill only applied to them.  BTW, the Equal Rights Amendment has nothing to do with the drafting of women.  Men can be drafted without the ERA therefore women can also.

Miss Chelsea is probably getting too old to be drafted so Miss Hillary will probably be forced into signing the bill should it be passed.  

A woman's life is no more precious or valuable than a man's life.  If one must put their life on the line in defense of their country then the other must also.  Women have equal rights now it is time for equal responsibilities.  ( the draft!!!!!)
Some inquire why Sen. Clinton should be elected President; after enduring the years of George W. Bush, an intitally unelected President, (a state governor, from a state that gives it's governors very little actual power), appointed by a divided USSC?  If one can make the argument that Bush is capable of being President, which has proven not to be case, than a United States Senator is leagues ahead in qualificiations.  I don't actually know what kind of a President, Hillary Clinton would make, but I would be willing to bet the farm, that following the castrophe that defines the Presidency of George W. Bush, Clinton could not possibly be worse.
I think the contry has been run by family dynasties for too long. 12 years of bush, 8 of clinton, possibly 12 or even 16 years (*Shudder*). This Nation needs fresh blood. Someone promising that no blood will be spilled overseas by our police actions. That means that Hil-Dog and Obama are out of consideration for me and my vote (not that it matters anyway, electoral college is king)
Hillary only needs 50% likability. She won't be subject to any Kerry-style smearing from the GOP: everyone knows her past by now.
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Leah:  Ok I did.

Now what has Hillary Clinton done to be considered as a candidate for President of the United States?
Mrs Clinton was crowned the nominee last November. With a media that has repetedly stated 'she has beten two candidates single-handedly' is nothing short of a lie! Her first opponent, Rick Lazio, took over after Giuliani dropped out with prostate cancer. The second time, they were bouncing candidates all over the place because at the time (and still is) the Republican Party is a mess here in New York State. She has had easy victories because she did not have to run a campaign. Soon enough, the public will see through the 'Social-crats' agenda and make her queen! Just like they did with Marie Antoinette!
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Jerry, the exit polling at the 2004 election you refer to was taken by the press, your highly biased Faux News included, to mean that exit polling can't be trusted.  Everyone I know thinks it very accurately indicates where Diebold was stealing the election for the Shrub again.  Exit polling has  consistently in the past been a perfect match for election results, always.  Why the discrepancy that time? Before you ask, no, I have no proof, just suspicion. Paper ballots should be the law, all electronic options have been proved hackable, by either side!


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