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Oh-eight (D): 'Love ya, Kos'

Posted: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:11 AM by Mark Murray
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Here’s the write up of the new Washington Post/ABC Iowa poll. There’s some good news for Clinton: She was judged the most electable of the field among these likely Dem caucus-goers. That, Clinton supporters will tell you, is the best news they see in this poll. But Clinton rated below her two main rivals on some personal attributes include likeability and honest and trustworthy.

The Washington Post looks at the YearlyKos convention. "As the who's who of the progressive blogosphere -- the ‘Net roots’ -- gather in Chicago for the YearlyKos convention, which started yesterday, Clinton will be there. Her attendance underscores two seemingly contradictory realities: blogs' growing influence as powerful backroom players in Democratic circles and the fact that they don't reflect the views of most Democrats, much less the general public. ... There is no one leader, the name of the convention notwithstanding, and it's a disparate, unorganized community that's almost impossible to categorize. While the leading bloggers are in their 20s and 30s, the rank-and-file are older, in their 40s and 50s. The common assumption is that the Net roots is monolithic and full of ideologues. It is neither. It is made up of people who are mostly interested in getting Democrats elected -- and making sure Democrats stay in power."

Biden isn’t attending YearlyKos – he’ll be in Delaware promoting his book and said, per the AP, “Love ya, Kos. But you ain’t Delaware.”

It looks like Clinton is already disappointing some at YearlyKos (of course, she's being held to a higher standard). Apparently, she's only attending the candidates' forum and not speaking with activists as originally planned. "While the announcement initially surprised attendees and drew boos, both Clinton and convention staff asserted it was a simple misunderstanding. On Thursday night, a source with knowledge of the Clinton Campaign's plans told me the convention was informed days ago that Clinton was not participating in the activist meeting, and a further announcement from the convention organizers was expected."

The RNC has a Web video ridiculing the YearlyKos convention.

CLINTON: The Hill reports, “The Aug. 1 deadline the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) set for presidential candidates to unveil their healthcare plans has come and gone. So the Iowa and New Hampshire state chapters of the SEIU are going to 2008 hopefuls and giving them either a clean bill of health or clocks — to remind them time is running out to offer a plan. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was the only major Democratic candidate not to receive a completely clean bill of health because she has unveiled only part of her plan, according to Sarah Swisher, political director for SEIU’s Iowa chapter.”

A Pew Research poll has Clinton at 40% and Obama at 21%.

Per NBC’s Eric Wexler, Clinton strategist Mark Penn made some interesting comments about Obama and Edwards to the New York Observer. On Obama:  “His best attribute is inspiring, not vision… One of the failures is that he hasn’t articulated any real vision.” He also said the Clinton-Obama spat over the foreign leaders question demonstrated the Obama campaign’s “level of desperation about not having moved in the polls. And frankly a lot of people have given them the advice ‘oh, just go ahead and get her.’ And so he’ll see whether or not that is more successful than going forward with his policy ideas and the new politics, which is where he started.”

Penn also criticized Edwards’ repeated apologies for his vote to authorize the Iraq war while defending Clinton’s continued unwillingness to do so: “I’m not sure that I understand the concept that if a candidate gives an apology, he is suddenly not responsible for his vote… Edwards was a co-sponsor of the resolution; if you go through Edwards’ speeches he was extremely pro-war. And in many ways, after they hear him apologize, people don’t ask him what he was really thinking and what he was doing. She’s not hiding.”

DODD: Some interesting fireworks on the O’Reilly Factor last night. Per the Hartford Courant, “Bill O'Reilly told Chris Dodd, ‘I don't have any respect for you’ and ‘if I were Joe Lieberman I would never talk to you again.’ Dodd fired back that the talk show host says ‘a lot of things (that) are vile on a daily basis,’ and that studies show O'Reilly says something derogatory about people or groups once every 6.8 seconds.”

EDWARDS: Edwards' populist rant against Rupert Murdoch seemed to bite him back yesterday. “‘John Edwards will never ask Rupert Murdoch for money -- he won't accept his money,’ said a statement e-mailed to supporters. Not so fast, Murdoch's people say. His publishing unit, HarperCollins, paid Edwards a $500,000 advance -- and $300,000 in expenses -- for his 2006 book ‘Home: The Blueprints of Our Lives.’ ‘We assume the senator is going to give back the money from his advance,’ News Corp. spokesman Brian Lewis said.

More: "The Edwards demand was aimed squarely at Sen. Hillary Clinton, who has received more than $20,000 from News Corp. executives, including $2,300 from Murdoch and $4,600 from company president Peter Chernin. Sen. Barack Obama has gotten $2,100 from Chernin. Lewis noted that Chernin appeared, at Edwards's request, at a 2004 fundraiser for the Kerry-Edwards ticket." (Curious, did anyone at the Edwards campaign think to check whether the candidate had done any deals with a News Corp. division?)

Edwards sounded off on a number of topics at a press avail he held yesterday in Los Angeles, reports NBC’s Kevin Corke (who was there). On his opposition to a proposed Saudi arms deal, Edwards said: "It could escalate an arms race in the Middle East- that's dangerous for America and dangerous for the world. That's why I am calling on Congress to reject it," he said adding "this could accelerate the Iranians push for a nuke weapon." On Don’t Ask Don’t Tell: "That will end during my presidency." And on developing nuclear power plants or liquid coal to bolster U.S. energy: "I'm not satisfied with the safety or waste disposal ... plus either could take years to develop. The last thing we need is more fossil fuel expansion or energy that doesn't solve climate warming or creates additional waste storage problems- I'd refuse either frankly."

OBAMA: The Illinois senator’s comment yesterday that he would rule out a nuclear strike on Pakistan or Afghanistan in chasing down Al Qaeda gets attention by the nation’s big newspapers. The New York Times: "Barack Obama found himself on the defensive again yesterday about his views on foreign policy, this time over a comment he made about the use of nuclear weapons in Afghanistan or Pakistan." Later in the day, in fact, the Obama camp sought to clarify his AP interview: "The Obama campaign later issued a statement that expressed confidence that ‘conventional means’ would be sufficient to take down Al Qaeda targets and surprise that ‘others would disagree.’”

New York Daily News called Obama's nuke comments a "stumble." More: "His struggle with the nuclear question gave Clinton another opening to portray her rival for the Democrats' White House nod as inexperienced and naive on world affairs."

The Washington Post notes that Clinton inserted herself into the story. “Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton drew another distinction between herself and Sen. Barack Obama yesterday, refusing to rule out the use of nuclear weapons against Osama bin Laden or other terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan… Yet several foreign policy experts said Obama was essentially right: It would be unwise to target an individual or a small group with nuclear weapons that could kill civilians and worsen the United States' image around the world.”

Dodd also jumped into the fray. He “said in a statement: ‘Over the past several days, Senator Obama’s assertions about foreign and military affairs have been, frankly, confusing and confused. He has made threats he should not make and made unwise categorical statements about military options.’”

Honest question: Is the criticism Obama getting here due to the original AP story (which didn’t put Obama’s nuke remarks in a proper context)? After all, does anyone really support nuking Pakistan?

The Des Moines Register does an ad watch on Obama's latest TV claiming he's not paid for by PACs or lobbyists. The ad watch notes that while technically true, Obama did have state lobbyists help him raise money. (Another honest question after reading this article: Is anyone getting more scrutiny -- from big and small media outlets alike -- than Obama is right now?)

Obama picked up an endorsement from New Hampshire’s Episcopal bishop -- the first openly gay bishop of the Episcopal Church.

RICHARDSON: Slowly but surely, Richardson is trying to turn himself into a more liberal/progressive candidate than he has shown himself to be as governor of New Mexico. Previously, he's moved left on the war. Yesterday, he moved to the left on energy, calling for a 50% cut in foreign oil imports by the year 2020.

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Edwards doing a business with a company owned by Murdoch is hardly the same a accepting direct campaign donations.
Bloggers don't represent the views of Democrats or the public according to who?  Where'd that come from?
Is Hilarry saying anything these days? From MSNBC's reporting, it sounds like she is not making any policy statements or presenting any new ideas, just lambasting Obama, who is a real threat to her.
If she has all this experience, why isn't she making it clear to the public by making policy statements and taking stands that might raise questions? Is she just playing the rest of the candidates so that she is the last man standing?
Go ahead MSNBC, provide more fuel to the fire of this Hillary strategy. Attack all the other candidates, but speak no evil of anything about Hillary.
Biden, Dodd and Richarson looking better as we get to know all candidates. These three have good chance in the general election, but first the primaries.
While Obama is being checked from head to toe, I wonder if anyone will ever bother to check the republicans at all.

We all remember the hit jobs the DMR and Yepsen put out 4 years ago. This sort of newspapers simply cannot withstand pressure from the Washington Insiders.

While Obama is indeed accepting money from bundlers and state lobbyists, nobody else would be able to compete against him and his 300,000 donors if they all rejected every lobbyist's money.
What's amazing is that Obama, despite all this intense scrutiny, appears to have no real skeletons in his closet, personal or professional.  By this level of excavation in a Presidential campaign, there's been a mistress or a crooked deal or at least a lie somewhere in the campaign rhetoric on the primary trail.  

But strikingly, the worst there is on Obama is Harvard parking tickets, specious arguments made by people who don't read his speeches, and statements that are, at worst, determined to be "technically true" by the most diligent critics.  Whether you agree with him or not, I still don't know how such an honest guy ended up in a system that usually rewards only those who lie and pander, but we're much luckier for the option of having those qualities in our next President for once.

clinton is running what some would call a very clever campaign, I would call it deceptive, her stance on every issue is perceived, she won't make a firm policy
statement on any issue, and the press thus far has given her a free pass on this, coincidence, I think not, how could dem voters nominate someone that will not make a comitmate to any of the major issues, who will they be nominating, here is what's likely to happen, clinton will get nominated on her name recognition and the fact that she is female, then after she is nominated she will be ripped to shreds because of her past history and the suspect organizations she obtains her campaign finances from, the repub's will soundly defeat her in the general election and the nation will be stuck with giuliana, so vote for hillary, forget about healthcare reform, and get used to the rich getting richer and everyone else slowly going under, this election will go do as one of the dems biggest blunders ever if you don't nominate edwards who is the only dem who can beat giuliani, ignore the press and look at the big picture, people are being mesmerized into having a false hope of clinton or obama being able to win the general election, it ain't going to happen, forget about it and don't throw the repubs the election


Where are the republicans?Are they hiding under Billos and Hannitys pantlegs?I agree we see no nitpicking about Rudy,Mitty,Johnny,and Freddy.They evidently are beyond this blah,blah,blah.Mrs Freddy poses with her breasts exposed to the nipple and they just say"that's hot"Clinton has an eighth of an inch of her clevage showing(if you look through a spy glass)and everyone is horrified------Why even go into the 5 cowarly Mitty sons or Rudys princess bride---it means nothing or does it?
no one wants to discuss policy or issues facing our nation, the 08 campaign is turning into nothing more than a big money spending mud slinging fest completely obscuring any relevant facts, our nation is surely doomed, the repubs will retain the white-house and the middle class will continue to slip away so the rich can get richer, and the working class will live in poverty without healthcare, greatest nation in the world ? only for the wealthy, if your not wealthy elite the best you can hope for in this country is a quick early death
>>>> What's amazing is that Obama, despite all this intense scrutiny, appears to have no real skeletons in his closet, personal or professional.

Well, yeah, except getting a 75% discount on a property purchase from an indicted mobster who is also his neighbor.

Then there's that cocaine issue.

Other then that, he's good to go!
Hillary is at 9% and she won't go talk to the KOSters after her speech?  How rude!  Of course, I'd be prepared for a war during her speech.  So I gather from John Edwards that gas prices will increase, other energy sources will increase, the Euro's will step in and sell military equipment to the middle east.  But I'm not worried, he will not be the next president.  Better makes sure though John, you know who you are getting money from before you go attack them. Judging from some of the democrats statements, I can see gas prices hitting $6.00 a gallon by 2010, you think people are hot now......
B Hussein Obama has no skeletons...other than having no clue on foreign policy.  If he keeps putting his foot in mouth then we will have to start calling him Kerry-lite.
Jimmy - Business dealings that are legitimate, conducted with someone who you don't know was involved with any crime, is not a skeleton, and neither is writing honestly about your youth in a book; try again.    
Jerry, your ignorance knows no end.  HRC's approval rating might be at 9% amongst the GOP, but not in the rest of the non-demonic wingnut world.  We ask you again, check your facts before you post you moron.
In the washington post story listed above, the straw vote last month, Hillary clinton recieved 9% of the vote among DialyKOS voters.

Suggest you do a little more reading dem's!
The DailyKos stink.  That won't come off.  Probably still be there on voting day.
"">>>> What's amazing is that Obama, despite all this intense scrutiny, appears to have no real skeletons in his closet, personal or professional.

Well, yeah, except getting a 75% discount on a property purchase from an indicted mobster who is also his neighbor.

Then there's that cocaine issue.

Other then that, he's good to go! ""

Nice try jimmie.  get your facts straight.  He purchased 1/5 of a lot for sell from Rezko for...get this...1/5 of the total lot price.  Geez, that Obama is such a swindler isn't he?!
jerry is she left wing or center which is it? liberals like her or dont, tell us what you have been told to think so the rest of us know what to say .See the media does its job afterall your able to repeat all the stories you hear good job media good job jerry ,now say it with me and your mom can wash your mouth out with soap later, PRESIDENT CLINTON, ha ah aha haahhahahahahah ,it makes me laugh to see you squirm, PRESIDENT CLINTON <PRESIDENTCLINTONhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Consider the source who is criticizing Sen. Obama...Mark Penn, HRC's Brain.  Polls at this stage do not reflect the electorate.  
Hillary will probably win and become our first female president. I think Tucker Carlson will burst into flames when it happens.Can't wait.
I agree that media coverage and judgment of the candidates is anything but fair - people are calling Obama "inexperienced" because he's giving policy statements that clearly define what he plans to do.  But, I don't hear of "more experienced" candidates doing the same, outside of criticizing Obama's policy statements.  I think there is little talk on the republican candidates because no one really cares about them right now.  I sometimes wonder why I bother to check the news anymore - it's so biased nowadays.  But I find it funny that Clinton is the most electable, but the least liked...  What the heck does THAT mean?
Well Shadow, it looks like you have a different value system then I do.  As in, I have one, and you don't.

Be sure to vote for Barack.  You won't be dissappointed, because you won't allow it.

At least Barack wasn't into the heroin scene. He writes that he didn't try heroin because -- wait for it -- he didn't like the pusher who was selling it.

That man is certainly a fine judge of character.

Also, he should be getting that little dust up over invading Pakistan and not ever, never, ever, promise not to no matter what, use nukes, straightened out today.  Someone I'm sure is telling him what to say.

Obama is more Howdy Doody then Forrest Gump.  No wait,  Edwards is more like Doody.  Scratch that.
Obama is the JUNIOR Senator from Il.
What part of JUNIOR spells experience???
The same part of JUNIOR that spells experience for Hillary.
> Hillary will probably win and become our first female president. <

Hillary is a female?
When Lady Hillary was  in waiting, she got in a lot of travel like others in her role.  But travel is not foreign policy experience, and it'd misleading to act like it is. Her main talent is feeling like (and convincing journalists) she has been anointed long before the election.  
HOT DAM: What part of Clinton spells honesty ? or integrity ? or ethics ?

Sorry, Bill was a role model for Alberto Gonzalez' Senate testimony.
Actually, Bill Clinton taught George Bush that scandals are survivable.
Just sit tight and keep lying.Maybe you can blame a 'vast right-wing conspiracy'

'Hillary Clinton, who has received more than $20,000 from News Corp. executives'
Guess who Fox will be helping by attacking Obama and Edwards ?? They want her to get the nomination !!
It'll gu7arantee a Republican victory !!!

Clinton/Coulter '08
What's a few lies between friends
I thought Hillary wanted to have a 'conversatin' with me......

Maybe I have to 'pay to play'

Oh, Hillary ?
What's your policy on NAFTA ?
What are your views on 'free trade'
How about anti-trust ?
When will ALL OUR TROOPS be out of Iraq ?
Where's your health care plan ?

You've got your mouth piece Mark Penn complaining that Obama "hasn’t articulated any real vision.”

What's YOUR VISION ?

Three years ago I told a friend of mine, a very conservative knee jerk republican that all the cheering going on for sonny boy's second run for the white house should be carefully considered by republicans, that if the republicans gave junior four more years, Clinton would cake walk into the whitehouse in 08.  When she does, and it's appearing increasingly likely that she will, it will be the repubs who put her there.  Folks will be voting not so much for her but voting against anyone who has the slightest bit os junior's stink on them.
Hillary is not raising enough money, she can see the fire coming.
She's a desparate and crazy women...very emotional on issues. She's not talking to Obama, no wonder she won't talk to rogue leaders for peace sake for the american people.
Isn't it scary that HRC can be voted the most electable and also be voted the most dishonest. Frightening.
If Obama is going to be facing extra scrutiny for whatever, better now than in 5 months.

The skeletons issue is a real one.  The problem for Clinton is that she has more junk in the trunk than all other candidates combined heh.  (stupid but funny video on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJgfl8jxyw0 )

But seriously, all that turns into ammo in the campaign especially when the primaries are imminent.
Biden must forthwith repair himself to Chicago in order to prostrate himself before the KOS overlords.If not,Siberia is quite cold in November.
tony in Idaho, right on she is so aware of the way the right wing operates, she will stay focused and beat them at their own game.
She is so not going to let the drivil out there take her eye off the prize. She was in the grip of their
cesspool and she has learned from the worst.
Go Senator Clinton. I will be proud to have a great President, we have been in the gutter to long.
Biden/Obama 08
Today, Tomorrow, Together


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