Oh, and by the way: this bill wasn't for anything with terror. It was to give free things to illegal aliens.

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The only real loser is the tax payer. Why should we let them give our money away to the law breakers. Both sides need to step up to the plate and end this useless bickering.  W do not ned to supporrt these illeagles.

Lincoln they can not leave for August break...shrub wants his spy wiretap crap bill passed..gonna keep 'em till they do as he wants!
Hitler is in charge!

So Bush is insisting that Congress stays in session until he gets his spy bill. Will he remain in the White House waiting for it, too, or has he got better things to do, like clearing brush on the ranch?  Stay in Washington, Congress.  Screw the spy bill.  Let the impeachments and the games begin!

Drama Queens.  The problem with politics is that it's full of politicians.

I am having some problems with those who are laying down the high-five funk because it is the Republicans ox that is being gored. Perhaps someone can help me out here. We will begin with this civics lesson:

1. Name the last time in American history that a vote in either house of Congress was closed in favour of the side that lost the vote.[215 for,213 against].

2. List article and section of the Constitution of the United States[bear in mind liberals,that this is the Document that you have repeatedly stated is being ''trampled upon''by this administration],that allows parliamentary procedures by either house of Congress to be so violated.

3.These procedures,utilized since the presidency of George Washington,[Congressman Davy Crockett [D-Tn],demanded several vote recounts over the 1829 Indian Removal Act,which he opposed,later signed by President Jackson,which were duly performed],allow and demand that the Speaker of the House or Speaker Pro Tempore fully tally votes at the end of a voting session.  Was this done prior to House leaders shutting off the session? If not,why?  

Those whose minds are not overdone to the point of patent hypocrisy[''Reichstag'',indeed...],will have few problems answering these simply formed questions,asked in plain English. Get cracking.

Hey HP "Big Dig" Boston First of all those programs had congressional over sight by your party too. Hell you even had control of the Senate when they started.

Next Funny how people have forgotten about this Bill 2 years ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/29/AR2005072900139.html

Haven't heard it mentioned in the MS90%LM yet. :-)
You're just an angry slave for the democrats though. I don't expect you to change. Take the Red pill, and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Well, some Democrats voted for it, and then they voted against it.  Whats so wrong about that?

Don't like the way a vote came out?  Just keep the polls open just for the people that will vote to change it to your favor, strong arm any one that doesn't vote your way, and keep recounting the votes until you get the desired outcome.

It is the Democratic way.

Repugs calling out SHAME...obviously too cowardly to say that about the Shrub's administraion. Oh! that's right they were too busy rubber stamping everything like they now do for Chavez in Venezuela.

Bruce Listen to Chainie and go .......
Shrub and Chainie are the terriorist...their bridge is comming down.
The enemy within is the terrorist I fear.
Every thing to fear is in the white house and the lyings sacks of crap only want Power.  They need no more intel, they do not know what to do with it when they have it.

No juan, ObaHillery will just send Sean Penn down for some coffee and foreign policy work. He wants to lick a little dicktator boot. And that should fit in with the demcraps version of globalization.

juan...I am talking about the the new fiasco today.
Wire tap wrangling
Bush to Congress
No vacation until

NEW terror bill approved.

The ag bill is dead, this new crap is shrub on the warpath(again).

Let’s hear it for the NEO-RATS (Democrats)!!! I am awarding you NEO-RATS my brand new
ETHIC and HYPOCRITE ACHEIVEMENT AWARD...
You NEO-RATS should be very proud!
Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), chairman of the House Appropriations defense panel, has secured the most earmarked dollars in the 2008 military spending bill. Murtha’s 48 earmarks amount to a total of $150.5 million

I am sickened by you tree huggin, gay lovin, wusses.  My stocks are doing great.  

To Brian in Cedar HIll:

Thanks for bringing your brand of TX smarts to the conversation. Is there anyone in your state with a modicum of intelligence?

Let’s hear it for the NEO-RATS (Democrats)!!! I am awarding you NEO-RATS my brand new
ETHIC and HYPOCRITE ACHEIVEMENT AWARD...
You NEO-RATS should be very proud!

Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), chairman of the House Appropriations defense panel, has secured the most earmarked dollars in the 2008 military spending bill. Murtha’s 48 earmarks amount to a total of $150.5 million

Let’s hear it for the NEO-RATS (Democrats)!!! I am awarding you NEO-RATS my brand new
ETHIC and HYPOCRITE ACHEIVEMENT AWARD...
You NEO-RATS should be very proud!
Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), chairman of the House Appropriations defense panel, has secured the most earmarked dollars in the 2008 military spending bill. Murtha’s 48 earmarks amount to a total of $150.5 million

I love how alot of people on here talk about Democrat vote tampering when that is how your party won the 2000 and 2004 elections, hello, Diebold, producer of the majority of voting machines in this country. The owner of that company is a BIG contributor to, you guessed it, the Republican party. He even wrote a letter that is public now about how he would make sure that Bush won certain states, so check your facts.

Also, when are all of us going to wake up, freedom means freedom, I may not agree with what you do or how you live your life, as long as your not hurting anyone else I will defend your freedom to the death. Whatever happen to this concept. We have have let this corrupt goverment seperate us in every way shape and form, from sexual oriantation to social status to everything else you can imagine. They have separted us and made us inafective as citizens, to busy fighting with each other to see what is really going, a goverment that is completely out of control. If we are not able to put our minor differences aside and realize that both sides, Democrats and Republicans have failed this country in hundreds of ways, and while were busy arguing with each other over who is better, Democrat or Reblican, they are both busy at work continuing to destroy our country. We all need to try and have more respect for each other and come together to stop this maddness.

Democrats and Republican both need to be REMOVED FROM POWER, why do we continue to vote for these people who pretend to pander to our wants and needs just so they can get in office and forget all about you, guess what, the Goverment cares nothing for you, only your taxes, and the corporation and lobbyists they work for dont care anything about you either, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we can come together as people, as American people with no affiliation other than to try to make this country and this world a better place we could really change things. If we continue to play this game the Goverment wants us to play then we will destroy ourselves from the inside out and have no-one to blame but ourselves.

Peace!!!!!!!!

To those of you who claim this bill was to give lawbreakers services out of taxpayer money, remember this:  At the end of the Clinton Administration, he signed an executive order preventing companies who had defrauded or cheated the government in contracts would not be awarded contracts for a specific period of time.  One of the first things the Bush did upon taking office was to rescind this rule which opened up contracts to both Bechtel (chaired by former  Republicans Weinberger and Schultz) and Haliburton (formerly chaired by Cheney).  These companies continue to defraud and cheat the taxpayers out of millions of dollars with very little oversight.  It seems strange to me Republicans believe helping keep poor people healthy is abhorrent while enriching the financial health of their cheating donors is just fine.  Hypocrisy defined.

At least a few people see that both parties are fundamentally rotten to the core. Pick the lesser of two evils? Nah, that's like trying to pick whether we want Osama bin Laden or Kim Jong Il to launch intercontinental ballistic missiles at all major U.S. cities. Neither! Democrats and Republicans both sold out to private special interest groups LONG ago and have been working together to keep the American people divided and hating each other. The real enemy is not your Republican neighbor (if a liberal) or your left-wing sister (if conservative), the real enemy is self-serving greedy corporate lobbyists who actually benefit from our country's citizens hating each other so much. United we stand, divided we fall. And if we fall that way, then say hello to an Orwellian "1984" type society run by the fascist elite. A new society starts with TOLERANCE, BROTHERHOOD, and UNDERSTANDING. A decrepit society starts with partisanship, greed, propaganda, and corruption and ends with fear, genocide, and repression. Start a new trend by working together with those who have different ideations. Together, and only together, can America shine once again.

Time for term limits.  So many of the congress and senate are past the age of reasoning!!

Our elected officials are doing a great job tearing apart our country. Playing our citizens against each other and not "leading" anybody but their banker/investors. "Repugs" as one stated and "Germacrats" play all of us. Repugs make money on oil and Democrats want to tax, to take the money, to make money on "Health Care," I mean "Social Programs," "Help the Needy," aww heck, open a "home health" so they (Dem) can stay home and watch their own health.

My point is, the vote was short changed, citizens were short changed and ALL AMERICANS are being short changed. If it wasn't all about money, why does it cost MILLIONS to run for office. There has to be some briliant people out there, (not rich) that would do a much better job and represent US and not themselves. We need to work together, not spew the parties hate.

'That whole Congress if full of it..I tried to tell you idiots that it would not be any better with Democrats in charge. They are all PROFESSIONAL politicians' .
... There's some truth to that, Jckson, Houston, but Congressional oversigth IS NEEDED !!

It's good to have the other party looking into the Executive branch.
Notice all the people on their way to jail ?
Henry Waxman (D-CA) ROCKS !!

Thanks for the clarifying post Mike.  

This sounds like an instance of a close faught vote coming down to the wire and the Republicans whining that they couldn't muster the votes to pass an amendment.

1) What the tally board says doesn't always reflect the true vote.  There is always some delay while it updates.  Just because the tally board hadn't updated before the gavel fell doesn't mean that the Democrats did anything procedurally wrong.  If you want to see examples of procedural chicanery try the time Delay held open a vote for an extra 30 minutes so he could arm twist moderate Republicans in the last Congress.

2) This ammendment, as I understand it, said that subsidies given to farmers through the Ag bill could not be used to pay for illegal immigrant wages.  Illegals are NOT being given things for free.  They are being paid below market wages for their labor still. This was just another example how much the Republican Party dislikes anyone who isn't rich and white.

I'm sure the neo-cons and dead end Republicans will continue p--s and moan about this for many days to come.  The fact is that they didn't have the votes necessary to pass an ammendment and are now acting like a five year old who lost a playground argument.  This will only get worse as they continue to get pasted in the next several eleciton cycles.

Any company or business is only as good as its Owner or Leadership.  So goes it with our Country. The problem with everyone from the top down, is that we have no leadership. Even if you do not agree with the Presidents policies, we should at least be able to respect him.  But most of us do not anymore.  The Dems do not trust the Administration and frankly why should they, there has been so many lies and it just seems to go on and on.   The Repubs think the lies are ok because they are afraid of everything, especially the thought that the Dems are going to give to much to the poor and underprivilaged and then they will have to share or maybe end up poor themselves as a result of the Dems bad management skills.  

VOTE FOR CHANGE IN THIS COMING ELECTION.  Vote for the candiate that is not ridgid but will reach over to the other side and help heal our country. Right now I see our anger as our biggest problem.  The Bush Administration has spent years and years pitting us against each other so they can do what they want seemingly unnoticed.   Over the past 30 years I have voted Demo and Repub because I vote for the person.  

I will vote for less fear next time and more healing.
The biggest army in the world will not save us if we can not get along with each other.  I for one am tired of the fighting.  I PRAY FOR A LEADER WHO CAN LEAD.  What do you think?

PEACE

The loser in all this may be civility--that fading virtue.  If all of us, politicians very definitely included, cannot agree to disagree with civility, the whole American enterprise may just degenerate into an expletive-trading version of talk radio. It did seem to me that the Republicans were the biggest whiners on the House floor last night--just the way it struck me.  Whoever can restore civility to the debate of these very important issues--Iraq, immigration, infrastructure, the ag bills, etc.--will be making an important contribution.  

We should all be so proud. This particular debate has brought out the denizens of this board in all their partisan finery. People, the fact is, the guy screwed up with his gavel, period. I think the Repubs AND DEMOCRATS that supported the motion have a right to feel slighted. I still haven't seen a coherent defense of what happened in response to Lee Holmes' post (above). Wrong is wrong is wrong, regardless of whether it's red or blue. You can't scream about Republicans doing things in poor form (which they OH SO have) but then turn around, do it yourself, and say, "Well, I'm only doing what you did." Calling people to task for wrongdoings means requires taking the higher ground yourself.

Is this kindergarten? What a pty that we even have a debate about this. It's black and white, not red and blue. The screeching diatribes of HP, Kenn, Sierra and others is juvenile at best, stupid at worst. And juan, what's with that line about Chavez? What, have I fallen asleep somewhere, only to awake and find that the Bush admin is now friends with Hugo Boss? Please. This isn't Orwell's 1984. If you're going to spew foolishness, at least make it accurate.

Skroom all.

What is really a shame here is we sit back and slam each other while the two parties’ debate whether to give are money to people here illegally, who’s the real fools here, and what will you tell you children when they ask why we set them up to be the losers?
We have lost all common sense in this country; I guess it’s time for someone else to take over…and they will.

Ron Paul Leads Republicans in Web Traffic by a Whopping 45%!

If web traffic has any relevance in determining which candidate becomes the next US President, Ron Paul has just won....by a long shot.

A recent review by ClickZ.com has the Texas Republican representative with 45.38% of the overall market share, followed by Mitt Romney at a distant 13.93%. Ron Paul gained 6 percentage points over the previous week. Both Rudy Giuliani and John McCain lost around 4 percentage points.

Among the Democrats, Barack Obama continues to be a strong front runner, though he lost 6 percentage points following the CNN/YouTube Debate while Hillary Clinton at 24.14% gained nearly 5 percentage points.

Interestingly, Ron Paul has taken the lead from Obama among all web searches (Democrat and Republican) this week.

So who are the bottom feeders in both parties?

Bill Richardson and Chris Dodd barely have 2% of the overall market among Democrats while Tommy Thompson and Jim Gillmore lag far behind on the Republican side.

Web traffic also suggests that Mike Gravel was helped the most by the recent CNN/YouTube Debate. His web market share jumped from 1.50% to 8.15% following the debate.  

"Will the last person to leave Washington, please turn the lights out. " I thought they already were

Seems like it is becoming a toss-up as to which party is doing a worse job in Congress.  After 50 years of voting (over 40 as a registered Independent), I may not vote in the 2008 elections.

Disgusted with the Democrats' stance on promoting and catering to illegal aliens - disgusted with the Republicans' stance on the wars.  Nothing in either party worth voting for and no viable candidate who seems to have the good of our country as a primary focus.

US Congress (that is, US politics) lives for vendettas...no different from other primitive societies who kill each other to settle scores originating years (or centuries) ago...the only diff is we don't kill each other (yet) but we do everything else to destroy the "others".  So much for thinking we are superior.

Robert Catalano: You did not mention that BECHTELS largest campaign monies recipient is Nancy Pelosi[D-Ca] followed by Barbara Boxer[D-Ca,The Center for Responsive Politics at www.opensecrets.org].BECHTELS Iraq construction sub-contractor is the company owned by the husband of Dianne Feinstein[D-Ca],Richard Blum. BECHTEL is homeported in the city of San Francisco,which is also the political and financial epicenter of these three legislators ,all of whom are benefited by this companies largesse. [we may as well point out here that staunch Pelosi ally Riley Bechtel is a member of this dynasty].

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