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Oh-eight (D): Another forum

Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:10 AM by Mark Murray
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In the last week, the Democratic presidential candidates have traveled to Chicago to address bloggers on Saturday at the YearlyKos convention, and then back to the Windy City for Tuesday’s AFL-CIO debate/forum. And tonight, these candidates -- minus Biden and Dodd -- will make yet another stop before a liberal-leaning interest group when they appear at a forum in Los Angeles sponsored by the Human Rights Campaign, a gay-rights group.

The event begins at 9:00 pm ET, and the candidates will appear individually before a panel consisting of Human Rights Campaign president Joe Solmonese, musician Melissa Etheridge, and the Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart. Obviously, the issue of gay marriage will be front and center, and all the Democratic candidates except for Kucinich oppose it, yet they favor civil unions. But when it comes to gay marriage and politics -- is it us, or does it seem like 2004 was a long time ago?

In its preview of tonight’s gay forum in West Hollywood, the Los Angeles Times notes that the Pentagon and other military leaders are starting to "soften" their stance on "Don't ask, don't tell."

The Chicago Tribune’s curtain-raiser reminds us how ballot initiatives on gay marriage hurt the Democrats in 2004.

It's official, for now: The AFL-CIO will not endorse a presidential candidate. Apparently, many of the larger AFL-CIO unions were split between Clinton and Edwards. Both AFSCME and AFT appear to be leaning toward Clinton, but both unions have strong Midwestern chapters and those folks favor Obama. That could be enough to keep both big players on the sidelines.

Meanwhile, check out the Washington Post's Dan Balz's seven lessons from the AFL-CIO debate -- which included praise for Clinton and Obama and a portrayal of Edwards as this year's Howard Dean. And most importantly, Balz notes how nobody missed Gravel. Could this be the turning point among the debate organizers to start, um, forgetting to send out Gravel's invites?

BIDEN: Newsweek.com interviews Biden, and the candidate comments on his 1988 presidential bid, his belief that Obama isn’t ready for the presidency, and his desire NOT to be Secretary of State.

CLINTON: When she speaks before the National Association of Black Journalists today, Clinton will unveil her Youth Opportunity Agenda targeted at the 4 million people ages 16-24 who are out of school and out of work, her campaign tells First Read. Clinton’s plan includes investing $10 billion in pre-K programs, establishing a $100 million internship program aimed at at-risk kids, rewarding responsible fatherhood, and investing $200 million in a program targeted at closing the revolving prison door.

“I will not accept half-steps or piecemeal measures,” she is expected to say, per an advanced press release. “We need a smart, bold, daring, comprehensive approach based on the fundamental premise that these young men are all our children – and all our responsibility.  Because after all these years, I still believe it takes a village.”  

Clinton will hit up Martha’s Vineyard for a fund-raiser on Aug. 24th with “actress Mary Steenburgen, who is co-hosting a $1,000-minimum bash along with her Hollywood husband Ted Danson, Maria Cuomo Cole and Kenneth Cole, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, Marlo Thomas, Phil Donahue and others.” Obama follows in her path days later with “a $1,000-and-up reception hosted by broadcasting executive Ron Davenport and his wife, Judith,” according to the New York Daily News.

DODD: In New Hampshire yesterday, Dodd called for free tuition at America’s community colleges.

EDWARDS: Trial lawyers only LIKE, not LOVE, Edwards this time around? So claims the New York Times, noting that trial lawyers this cycle are hedging their bets with other candidates. "As of the end of June, donations from lawyers accounted for little more than a fourth of the $23 million raised by Mr. Edwards. By comparison, lawyers donated roughly half the $12 million he had raised by the end of the first half of 2003, two and a half months before he officially declared his candidacy."

OBAMA: The Boston Globe does an extensive analysis of the money Obama raised since he first entered politics in the '90s. And guess what: He's raised money from lobbyists and special interests. "But behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth. A Globe review of Obama's campaign finance records shows that he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant."

The campaign's defense: He's a recent convert. Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said that after seeing the influence of lobbyists firsthand during his two years in Washington, Obama decided before he entered the presidential race that he would take a different approach to fund-raising than he had in the past. “‘He's leading by example and taking steps that he feels need to be taken on the national stage to clean up the undue influence of Washington lobbyists on the policies and priorities of Washington,’ Psaki said. ‘His leadership on this issue is an evolving process.’”

The Globe story is on the front page -- which, remember, folks, is seen by LOTS and LOTS of those reform-minded New Hampshire voters Obama is trying to appeal to.

And speaking of glass houses, Nevada political guru Jon Ralston notes in his "Flash" daily newsletter that Obama just signed up his third Carson City lobbyist to his campaign. As Ralston asks: "So D.C. lobbyists are bad and Carson City lobbyists are different?" Ralston wasn't kind to the Obama campaign in how they rolled out the support of ex-State Sen. Helen Foley. Notes Ralston: "Foley is identified as an ex-lawmaker and then this": "Following her time in office, Foley has worked to advance a large number of community programs and local causes, including the Clean Indoor Air Alliance and increasing women’s participation in elected politics.  She is now the co-owner of a local public relations agency."

Time magazine has hired one of Obama's trusted foreign policy advisers, Samantha Power, as a foreign affairs columnist.

And Obama was re-asked the Bonds question from Tuesday's debate -- now that Bonds has passed Aaron. NBC's Andrew Merten reports that Obama said that he “probably would” go ahead and invite Barry Bonds to the White House today during a press conference in Oakland, after initially dodging the question at Tuesday night’s debate, as Bonds had not yet beaten the homerun record.  He was cautious in warning that professional sports seems to be “suffering from a crisis of confidence,” adding, “Children look up to sports stars more than any other individuals, and right now I’m not sure that our kids are learning the right lessons.”

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Clinton says "I will not accept half-steps or piecemeal measures." Yet at this gay forum thing, marriage and military aren't the only issues - watch for Clinton getting hit on her support/resistance for needle exchange.

Much like the bankruptcy thing and Iraq, she's on both sides of the issue, and not particularly good at doing it. Her supporters don't seem to care, but she has a history of offering intelligence-insulting rationales for her waffling, getting caught, and shamelessly not seeming to acknowledge she got caught.
Until equal protection under the law is enacted for EVERYONE regardless of sexual orientation will we be a country that abides by the constitution that protects life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Biden and Dodd won't be at the Gay debate, so this is the chance for Obama to go after Hillary without her two attack dogs guarding her.  At some point, I knew someone would go back and double check Obama and the lobby money, I imagine that someone is just as hard at it with John Edwards right now.  I don't see how anybody could not accept anybody's money, specially the Lobby side in this day and age.  
Jerry - I think the explosive new reporting has uncovered what we already knew, unless I misread the story. Obama acknowledged taking PAC money for his Senate campaign. He said he wouldn't in this campaign.
Shrub and his machine (well oiled) have been the worst thing that ever happened to America.
We need to rid the vermin from this disaster they caused.
7000 refugees from Iraq comming to Sugarland, Tx.
Paul, welcome to politics! Republican candidates don't do this as well? You can insert the name Bush or Romney or DeLay or.... instead of Clinton.
Yes BB, Paul is sure picking up some rebub bad habits.

Pac money, first he did, then he didn't. fli...
See Paul, Obama can be pinned down with this stuff too.
jerri you go girl twist them facts i hate to read the truth all the time so your twisted gossop really does me good.
If I am picking up "rebub" bad habits, H P, its only because I learned them from Clinton supporters.

By the way, has Clinton figured out yet whether the initial invasion of Iraq was a good or bad idea?

And bb, I agree! So let's not elect Clinton nor any of the Republicans.
Yeah, we all knew this much.  Obama is not taking PAC or washington lobbyost money for his presidential campaign.  Naturally, Clinton, who will take money from anyone wants everyone to know that all of Obama's money doesn't come from Jesus Christ himself.  I'm so sick of Hillary's do as I say, not as I do, rhetoric.
H P would have to agree with Hillary that Iraq was a good thing, right H P?  After all, Susan agrees with the President on Iraq, considering Hillary voted for the war, right Susan?  because if it is good for Hillary, it is good for the president, right ladies?  i thought so.  
Is this forum televised?  Which station is carrying it?
jerry "the plant" CC,T - was looking for you in the R section again today.  There must be a malfunction, because - yet again - you have not posted there.
Paul you are the POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!
Independent indeed!
7000 Iraq refugees coming to Corpus Christie, Texas.
Paul and jerry seem to be on the same page.....
Mmmmmm
7000 Iraq refugees coming to Corpus Christie, Texas.
HP - right...

Because I don't support the only candidate who can't make up her mind whether the Iraq invasion was a good idea or bad idea, first it was how I must just be an insecure guy who hates women, and now I must be a Republican.
About Obama I am surprise that you failed to mention that the editorial of today's Washington Post support his stand on fighting terrorism...and criticize other candidates for attacking him. Also, the article challenged them to come up with their own solution on the issue...it is a great read…and here is the link to the article… titled "Chasing Terrorists"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/08/AR2007080802085.html
Obama wouldn't be elected Senetor in the first place, if he had rufused PAC money. What the media doesn't report is the fact that lobbyists have more power in washington than they should. It is only reported as a rhetoric or a talking point by left leaning democrats. It just makes me wonder, whatever happened to investigative reporting. Their focus is to bring down the change agent and keep the status quo.

Fair reporting would be to also investigate Clinton's claim that lobbyists represent real Americans. But they don't want to touch that since it is going to implicate a lot of people.
Well Paul you can pin your labels wherever you like.I was wearing the Independent one for many years, but became fond of the Democrats, so now I must wear that one.

My point in all of this is I support all the candidates who are Dems. I can not and will not tear down any to feed the repukes fodder.

I prefer Clinton because she can beat the repuks machine.  The fact that the hard core repuks hate her goes without saying but they hate all dem canidates.
Who ever is nominated will also be demonized by the repuks.
Are you serious thinking Senator Clinton thinks the Iraq invasion was a good ideas now that WE all know the lies and hysteria were blinding us all?
I do not.
Lets have a trade. Juan can have his ''equal protection under the law''for gays when we get it for white males [of any sexuality]. The 14th Amendment specifically says ''race'',but not ''orientation''. I will give you what is not there. You will give me what IS there. All forms of Affirmative Action must be henceforth dismantled. Let the high court again revisit MICHIGAN.
Lee Holmes-The white males as you have pointed out have had the privileges and advantage for over 2 hundred years and insist on EVERYONE ELSE being subserviant to the Anglo-Saxon agenda....HELL NO! This will be the last generation of the European/American generation and Hispanics are now the majority and you white guys can not fathom that.For the record, I am white Cuban-American with 1/8 German on my mom side. Clarence Thomas the uncle Tom of you right ringers I GUESS WILL HAVE TO GIVE UP HIS SEAT BECAUSE OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.  
Dont hand me this garbage Juan.The Document says exactly ZERO regarding ''privilages and advantages''.It says in plain language in the 14th Amendment what it says. Do you stand for the Document or do you not? Do not demean the discussion by the insertion of racist language. Get to the point man. Lucidly,if you please.
HP - I'm just going on what she said. She's criticized the management of the war. She's never to the best of my knowledge criticized the decision to invade.

Its a simple question. Were we right or wrong to invade Iraq? I know every candidate's answer, except hers.
I was born in the dark but, it wasn't last night. Any fool who believes that Obama wasn't taking lobbyist funds was STUPID! They all do it and it will never stop. Hillary was right when she said that lobbyist had things that they wanted done and they aren't ashamed to pay for it. The sad part is an average American could never do it and there fore are intrests mean nothing to the policticians. Hey what do you know Hillary was honest about something!!
Well listen up Paul....and why don't you just ask her.

That poor Slob remark you made about yourself does not ring true.
What happened to your little bio about how you have handled local political races etc...????
HP - lol, are you saying a campaign manager for a county board seat is an impressive line on a resume? And I'd love to ask her. Got her phone number?

I'll tell you what - I'll go to both her campaign website and her senate website, see if I can't find someplace to submit questions via e-mail, and let you know what I get back.
Hell everybody criticized the management of the war,  There WAS NO management of the war, IT WAS AN INVASION.  No one authorized an INVASION, no one!
Paint another or different attack this one will not fly. Come on Paul you must have some better stuff than the "war."
And I have seen lesser accomplishments on resumes.

The Kennedys are still not accepting the fact that they are not related to the man elected 35th President of the United States and his still kidnapped and hostage actual daughter? The Kennedys in their version of reality told the media to publish a false genealogy of the Kennedys. The 35th President who was repeatedly kidnapped by Joe and Rose Kennedy because he is from a good family and good families do not pay ransom or extortion money or "protection" money and neither does any member of his actual family. Ambassador AND United States Senator Cabot was kidnapped by the Kennedys/Fitzgeralds at the 1908 Democratic Convention in Colorado and forever stalked and harmed repeatedly by the Kennedys/Fitzgeralds and their organized crime colleagues and the many accessories of organized crime.


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