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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:13 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Calendar Confusion: Later this morning, the South Carolina GOP will announce -- in New Hampshire, of all places -- its primary date, and the speculation is that it will be for Saturday, January 19, which could trigger a series of moves that would move up the early nominating contests. But this might not be the final date: A South Carolina source tells us that they don't want their primary falling more than approximately 10 days after New Hampshire.

VIDEO:  NBC Politics Director Chuck Todd offers his first read on the leapfrogging primary dates, the Iowa straw poll and the McCain campaign.

*** The Domino Effect: Speaking of New Hampshire, the power to set the primary date lies, of course, with Secretary of State Bill Gardner, who is supposed to show up at the South Carolina presser in Concord, NH. Gardner usually guards his non-partisan status, so it will be a big deal if he does indeed come. Contrary to the DNC's wishes, there is no official date for the New Hampshire primary. The DNC wants it on January 22, three days after Nevada's caucuses. But with South Carolina now saying it’ll be on January 19, it means Gardner will have to be no later than January 12 in order to follow state law. And what would that trigger? A move by Iowa. Again, the DNC has asked Iowa to do January 14 -- but would Iowa allow New Hampshire to go first? Everything we hear out of Iowa indicates the state does not want to move its January 14 date. But January 7 has to be looking better every day, right?

*** Even More Confusion: By the way, the announcement by South Carolina's GOP doesn't mean the South Carolina Dems will also move. In fact, SC Democratic Party chairwoman Carol Fowler tells First Read that due to the specter of DNC penalties, her state isn’t considering moving up. But with Florida crashing the party on January 29, expect the SC Dems to hint at moving too, despite what they’re saying now. Confused yet? We didn't even get into the Michigan factor or whether the DNC will sanction Florida's primary, even though the Clinton campaign is pushing hard on Florida's behalf. What does this all mean? That the pieces on the calendar chessboard -- for both campaigns and journalists -- are about to be knocked over. The biggest beneficiaries to all of this uncertainty? Clinton and Giuliani, who are both the best prepared for the February 5 Tsunami Tuesday. In particular, both New York candidates would benefit greatly if Iowa is diluted or even leapfrogged by New Hampshire.

*** Glass House Alert: When you preach purity on lobbyists and PACs, you are going to draw hypocrisy scrutiny from the press. The Boston Globe -- read by many in reform-minded New Hampshire -- does an exhaustive examination of Obama's political fundraising going back to the '90s and finds that he's certainly not had problems raising money from lobbyists and PACs in the past, even as recently as 2004. Also, don't miss the tongue-in-cheek coverage from Nevada's leading political reporter, Jon Ralston, who wonders why Carson City lobbyists are ok to sign up as supporters in Nevada but not D.C. lobbyists?

*** It’s Almost Straw Poll Time: The Iowa State Fair begins today, and most of the GOP presidential candidates who are participating in Saturday’s Ames straw poll will make an appearance there: Brownback, Hunter, and Paul participate in the Des Moines Register’s Soap Box event at the state fair, while Tommy Thompson does a radio interview from the venue. Brownback, Huckabee, and Romney also spend most of their day campaigning throughout the state.
 
*** “What Happens In Vegas…”: While possible calendar maneuvers could end up diminishing Nevada’s status -- as of now -- as the second contest of 2008. But that isn’t stopping some of the Democratic candidates from visiting the state. Clinton, in Las Vegas before heading to LA, speaks at the National Association of Black Journalists presidential forum, where she will unveil her plan targeted at the 4 million people ages 16-24 who are out of school or out of work. She then attends a rally with culinary workers. On Friday, Obama addresses the black journalists forum and then holds a town hall in Las Vegas.

*** On The Trail: In addition, the Democratic presidential candidates -- minus Biden and Dodd – participate tonight in gay-rights forum in Los Angeles. Elsewhere, Biden continues to make the TV rounds (on Fox & Friends and on NPR); Dodd, in New Hampshire, gives a policy speech on education; Edwards speaks at the Aspen Institute; and McCain holds a town hall meeting in New Hampshire. 

*** And A Note: The morning edition of First Read won’t publish tomorrow, but will return bright and early on Monday. But for those who will need their political fix on Friday, don’t worry: We’ll have updates throughout the date on our Web site

Countdown to the Ames Straw Poll: 2 days
Countdown to MA-05 Special Election: 25 days
Countdown to LA GOV election: 72 days
Countdown to Election Day 2007: 89 days
Countdown to LA GOV run-off (if necessary): 100 days
Countdown to Iowa: 157 days
Countdown to Tsunami Tuesday: 179 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 453 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 530 days

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That just gave me a headache...and I still don't know when anyone's primaries/caucuses are.  This is getting (or has it been?) completely ridiculous.
What is behind all of these primaries being moved up?
Biden going on Fox????  Hey Hillary, come on, come play with us at Fox news!  Sean Hannity would love to do an interview with you......
Lets get this clear ...Obama never said he did not take them in the past.  He said he would not take them now running for PRESIDENT. He also said WASHINGTON LOBBYIST. Carrying the water of hillaryis44 I see, again
Ridiculous!  Some people want to create chaos, that party would be?
Richard Nixon was running for re-election in 1972. The Watergate was broken into in June 1972. It's my understanding one of the reasons they broke into the DNC was to get "dirt" on Ted Kennedy. Nixon feared Ted would run for President against him that year. This doesn't make sense but it's what I've read in the past. How could Ted Kennedy not decide by June '72 if he was going to run or not if the election was the following November? When did RFK decided to run in 1968? That spring?

This is completely ridiculous what's going on now.
We should just go to a national primary day, held no sooner than six months before the general election.  It's always been ridiculous that two small states have always held so much political power over the rest of the country, especially when they do not have the diversity of people and concerns as the rest of the country.  Holding the primary six months before would cut down the election cycle, so we don't have two years of campaigning by people who have already been elected to do a job in Washington that they are neglecting.
Ollie frenchburg ky / good question, I suspect it is for the benifit of someone, but it is too confusing for me to figure out
It should be obivious based on the last four years why one wouldn't want the President beholden to Washington Lobbyist.  Cheney and Bush turned it into an art with the oil industry.

If  Democrats thought it was bad for them and they had to much influence and were paying back favors, why should we think no different from our own...but of course you know that too!!.

Funny how Hillary doesn't want to talk about her PAST votes... but wants to talk about what other people did in the PAST.  hillary and friends simply want to justify why she will continue to do it.

Hillary doesn't want to have people get into discussions about what PEOPLE used to do.  Afterall everyone is giving Bill credit for Change for the better.

I am glad Obama will NO LONGER do it regardless of what he did in the PAST it call CHANGE guys for the better good.
I think we should have a national primary day just like the General Election.  Let the conventions be to celebrate the candidate who wins the nomination and for planning the campaign, but there is no sense in one state or another having all the say in who is nominated.  It would be cheaper too, but I guess the advertising folks would not go for this, so big media would never let it happen.
so all you democrats who dislike Hillary and she gets the nomination..you will be voting for??or not voting??? And we'll get a republican again. Very foolish.
Lyn,MD  When Obama talks about not talking money from lobbyists, he never say I use to but now I don't. He would be more believeable if he did.  Don't be to quick to make excuses for any of these candidates.  They have all something they don't want you to know.  Obama hands are not clean.  He still in a round about way take money from lobbyists. So don't get too excited.
I agree, moving primary date up sets a dangerous precedent, and someone is figuring to benefit from it...or some Party, anyway.  As for Obama; I used to be a fan, but he started sounding mainstream, same-old-same-old, and now I know why---he's really not that much different from Hillary and her Machine.
Ollie: The politicians in CA supposedly wanted to get more influence for the state. So, they moved up our primary to allow CA to help 'decide the nominee', and not vote after someone had already gotten the nomination.

Union baby: I think a national primary would be bad. It would put even more emphasis on campaign contributions (i.e. special interests control).  
Having Iowa, NH, SC + NV do their primaries first, will 'weed out' the field and allow the big two or three or four candidates more time in the debates.

Hopefully, there would be more scrutiny into candidates, policies and opinions after the field is narrowed. (or is that a pipe dream?)

Thank you, Lyn ! Let's discuss real issues like lobbyist influence.

A big part of the discussion has been about 'experience'.
In essence, what this argument implies is that only Washington insiders are qualified to be President.
Only the 'usual suspects' have the 'experience' to lead our nation. Outsiders are disqualified.
I don't think so !!

Ask Hillary's supporters if they voted for Bill Clinton for President.
He had 'NO EXPERIENCE' with international affairs !!
Was HIS presidency a disaster becaus of his 'inexperience' ?

Carrie, JoeCHI did you vote for 'inexperienced' Bill Clinton ? Was it a disaster ??
Minter,  Has he ever denied (if asked) doing it in the past?

Again, we don't want to start pulling skeletons out of closets, if I were the Clintons  espicially past behaviors  !!!!
Sierra,Obama will get his time after Clinton gets 8 yrs.I like him too but the repubs will tear him to pieces. Hillary can take it and still be standing -just like her husband. Notice who the repubs are going after with a vengence..Hillary.They are petrified of her and her power.We just need a dem in office to straighten the country out and save the middle class and poor.
No, Susan. What would be foolish is nominating a candidate who you know is so divisive, she couldn't even hold her own party's voters together.
Lyn,

Is there any doubt that MSNBC is shilling for Hillary Clinton at this point?  They give new meaning to yellow journalism.  Instead of Keith Olbermann ranting out Fox Noise every night, he should turn the lense on his own network.  Senator Obama expressly and directly said he would not accept money from FEDERAL lobbyist.  He has acknowledged his past "sins" of taking money from state PACS and lobbyists, but in that experience recognizes the potential for corruption.  Are they saying there is no room for growth in principles?
D Minter,

He damn sure has said that he's taken money from PACS and Lobbyists.  Do people judge you on your past or your present?  Hell, most preachers have sinned in the past, but that doesn't mean they don't have a right or obligation to speak on the errors of the same behavior they once committed.
Sierra, San Fran...I can understand that. Thanks!
I've been reading a lot of Nancy pelosi and her record in congress Sierra.  She sure has a lot of dynamite in her baggage and I'm sure Cindy Sheenan has a lot of matches.  I'm sure when the big one hits San francisco, there will be calls for why the infrastructure didn't hold up and Nancy pelosi and her pork barrel spending projects will come to light.
D Minter - that's exactly what Obama did say. And I knew that back in, what, March or so - before I gravitated toward supporting him.
Lyn and Sierra, when the time comes-just vote democratic. If you have to hold your nose,so be it, but vote democratic.
No Sierra...Bush is the diaster! Voted in by idiots!
Clinton was SMART, A RHODES SCHOLAR for christsake!
No rich daddy to get him passed through school.
There can never be any comparison to Bush the worst  and most stupid president in the WORLD!!!!
Clinton was the best, better than all the rest and I still admire him.
Do you think Clinton would have forsaken our country?
Do you think Clinton would have forsaken New Orleans?
Do you think Clinton would have fu---- with our constitution?
What the hell are you thinking?
Things in the past are not helping the present disater of the Bull shit Bush administration.
WE need a tough insider to fight this rigged system the Repuks have set up. They will eat Obama for lunch, maybe breakfast. Hillary will be tough to chew!
bb - can't do it. Can't vote for Clinton at this point. She's an empty candidate and the few times I've heard her try to be substantive with regards to foreign policy and national security, she has only demonstrated to me she doesn't know what she's talking about.

And I'm not alone. We have to petition for primary ballot access in Virginia - all candidates from both parties do. I joined the Obama petitioning effort about a week ago. I'm hearing it from like half the people working on that. They say they can't vote for Clinton, either.

I've heard the chair of the county party has tried talking to a few (I'm not in the party - I'm independent), but to no avail. She insults intelligence and angers people, even from her own party.
530 days left until we have our first women President, Hillary Clinton. hillaryclinton.com
bb,  I'm sure that's what you Clinton people hope and think.  You think that if she is LUCKY enough to win we will vote for her regardless..

Well it goes against my beliefs to vote for some people espicially if I don't like what they stand for.  If I do that I am no better than the people who voted for GWB simply because he was a republican
There seems to be some democrates on here that really dislike Hillary. Personally I would vote for any of the dems over any repubs in the general election. In the primaries I will vote for either Edwards or Hillary. I am just curious if the Hillary haters will vote for her if she is nominated or will they vote republican.
Susan must be totally out of her mind.  Obama has more in his past then she does????????

Let's review the topics the GOP can pull out, since it is all public record:

1.  Whitewater
2.  turning $1000 into $100,000
3.  Vince Foster
4.  Travelgate
5.  The health care debate
6.  INFOUSA
7.  Rose law firm
8.  removal of furniture from the white house
9.  Savings and loan in Arkansas
10.  1974 anti semetic slur

What say you Susan?
Lyn, MD  Did I say anything about the Clintons?  I guess you assumed since I'm not so in love with Obama, I must want Clinton.  All I'm saying is that this guy is (in bold print) a politician.  Politicians will say anything to get elected.  I'm just not the bandwagon type.  I'm still holding my judgement because time will tell how strong a candidate he will become.  I do see weaknesses now so maybe he can build on that. I know you will say well he is rising a lot of money.  That's good but right now he is not my guy and I still have time to choose.
Paul Miller, Lyn md,diane, and all you closet Republicans. Go be happy vote as you please.
We will all vote as we see fit and you can yak till the cows come home. Will not change my vote.
I keep listening and I hear conspiracy. I smell conspiracy.
I hear the mantra of the TROLLS.
Paul, I've talked to a few of the democrat party people here about Hillary.  She really has some problems here in south Texas.  But they have not come to a consensus about who they will back for President.

If you really want to read a funny story about the Clinton's:

I googled;

Bill Clinton---New York Observer---kneepads

You will die laugh at the story.
Paul Miller, Lyn md,diane, and all you closet Republicans. Go be happy vote as you please.
We will all vote as we see fit and you can yak till the cows come home. Will not change my vote. I am reeling from the bush disaster!
I keep listening and I hear conspiracy. I smell conspiracy.
I hear the mantra of the TROLLS.
Lyn, different party and 1000 miles apart in ideas and values. Thats the difference.Repubs are for the rich and dems are for the middle class and poor and 1000 other glaring differences between the two partys and their beliefs.What if Hillary gets the nomination and Obama tells you to vote for a democrat, which is what frequently happens. So again, if Obama doesnt get in, you will be voting for???? or not voting?And Paul Miller, what then? .Help the repubs get into office again, with many of Bushs-right wing ideas? This sounds like Nader thinking. Doesnt make sense.
Yup---Democrats eating their own----don't complain if we have mitt or fred as the president in 2009.The republicans do know the democratic voters---cut their noses to spite their faces.The republicans are satisfied with thugs,thieves and liars.If the dems lose this election I hope you will all post that you helped it happen.
Obamas a good guy and I hope we get him down the road. Hillary is my girl.Shes tough and intelligent. Just the way I like them.
H P Boston / make no mistake hillary can not win the general election, why do you think they are saving the really scandalous things that she has been involved in? they want her to get nominated first, then they will destroy her making giuliani president, it ain't worth it, vote for a decent person, hillary cares for no one but hillary
I'm still waiting for an apology for the truth squading mess from yesterday!
Lyn - Is there a difference between a lobbyist outside of Washington and a lobbyist in Washington?  Please point it out to me, as I thought lobbyists were all after the same thing - persuading government officials to support their causes and donating money to their campaigns.
Sierra - Clinton had executive experience as a governor, which if you notice is the typical route to the White House in the last few decades.  Bush, Clinton, Reagan and Carter were all governors.

But to answer your question...no, I did not vote for him as I was not old enough in 1992 and in 1996 there was a mix up with absentee ballots.  Had that not happened, in 1996, I absolutely would have voted for him.  I'd vote for him tomorrow and the day after that, too, if they'd get rid of that silly amendment.      
Jerry - I did read that article and found it in poor taste.  However, I do believe they should be allowed to write what they want.  I am surprised you found it so amusing since Republicans tend to try and stop free speech by throwing their religious beliefs at us.  I am sure if it was about a Republican (surely you can't believe they are all faithful?) you would not be laughing your head off!
To those of you who say you "can't" vote for Clinton:  In all seriousness and with no spiteful intent, what will you do if she gets the nomination?  Be honest, please.  Will you not vote?  Will you vote for an independent candidate?  Will you vote for the Republican?  
I hear the republicans saying, you better not pick Hillary. Why ? because they know she will "win". hillaryclinton.com
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, & HA !!!!!!

The sound of Fred Thompson laughing all the way to the White House.

What a bunch of rabid dogs. You actually pass your selves off as informed maybe even smart voters. Cry for how the constitution has been trampled. Then shout out loud "Vote the party line, no matter what." I actually read someone say "I don't care if it's rigged. I'm voting Democrat". Wow... What does that say about the state of the democratic party. And the American political system.
Jesus H. Christ, do your self and the country a favor. Educate yourself and for the best, right, left or independant. The two party system is strangling America. Think for yourself..
New Independent---Considering the democrats, specially Dick Dumbin and Harry reid want to bring back the fairness doctrine.  Before you start accusing republicans of trying to shut down free speech, you better have a talk with your side about why the liberals want to get rid of the first amendment!
Carrie,

How about you?  If Obama gets the nomination, who will you vote for?? A Republican?
Jerry dumb dumb YOU just proved my point! YOU are petrified of her arent you? Terrified of the little woman.  Hear ye, hear ye, everything that Jerry believes or tells you to do, believe and do just the opposite and you will be deemed a nomal, healthy individual.
RH, now Im laughing at you, Mr Im more informed that everybody else.The republican party has won the last 2 presidential elections by following Bush off a cliff.And you are voting for???? Jeez, your soo intelligent maybe we should all vote for who you say.Gosh youre smart!NOT !Arrogance is more like it.
What scandalous things MK?????
Was HILLary the President of the United States??
Did I miss this??  She held the high office off President??
She was responsible for this country??
She got a BJ?? She is LESBO, they gonna try that?
I hear she does not even like to LICK ENVELOPES!
Well I guess they will try to pin all of Bills errors on her back, huh.
She trusted that shitbum Bush to do his job and work for peace. NOT!
Carrie - if Clinton gets the nomination, I figure the election is a non-event. It certainly will be in my state, which might be in play otherwise. So I'll look at the Republican and then at the third party candidates and see who to throw my symbolic, meaningless vote toward.


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