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Dodd: Reform No Child Left Behind

Posted: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:54 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
Sen. Dodd called for No Child Left Behind to be reformed -- not scrapped as other Democratic presidential candidates have proposed. He also repeated his call for a subsidy program to make community colleges free, wants to double the number of nationally certified teachers and widen eligibility for Pell Grants “to reach into the middle-income families.”

“The ideals of this bill [NCLB] are admirable,” Dodd said today on a conference call with reporters. “The objections to it, rightly so, are the rigidity and lack of financing for it … But I don’t think repealing this all together and rolling back the clock to five years ago is the answer.”

To double the number of nationally certified teachers, he would pay the cost of certification provided these teachers go on to work in the neediest school districts for at least five years.

On the issue of higher education, Dodd said he would match state subsidies for community college students up to 50 percent, and would pay for these programs, in part, by repealing government subsidies for banks that provide student loans.

Dodd also said he wants to put “a spotlight on skyrocketing cost” of college tuition by publishing an “accountability index,” which would track by how much colleges are increasing their tuition from year to year. Currently, Dodd said college tuition is consistently increasing 5 to 7 percent each year, about double the rate of inflation.

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Hey, guys - I've gotten used to your morning "First" posts (D, R, more 08, etc.). Where are they???
Obama will. Don't worry Dodd. But don't vote for this kind of empty bills again. Gosh.. we will have clean up all the mess Iraq War, Patriat Act, NCLB etc.. How many else you voted "yea" Dodd. Retire man.. Good for you and this country.
cms, we're taking a breather on the morning edition of First Read (First Thoughts, oh-eight, etc) on Fridays for the month of August. Just taking a little break before we hit the full election sprint.
Results of NCLB appear in this news article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20205125/site/newsweek/

This admin is so lacking of character, it cannot bear to hear any bad news of any kind.  Once again, bushco doing the opposite of what experts in the field (oh yeah, and congress, too), recommend.  
5-7% increase?  I wish.  My last couple of years at the University of Iowa, the tuition increases were 15-20%, and I'm not sure that has let up.  It's completely ridiculous.
Mark Muurray did any of you attend Bill Moyers' whine fest that was on c-span this morning? He's the poster child for what's wrong with media these days.
Dave, Tn -- No we didn't. With no morning edition of First Read, we got to sleep in. It was a nice break.
"He's the poster child for what's wrong with media these days."

Oh really? Why? Because he called Rush Limbaugh out on his BS over Abu Ghraib? I heard him yammering about it today and - whaddaya know - the first thing to emanate from his mouth is "you lefties have no sense of humour." Oh really? Why isn't Limbaugh a regular on Comedy Central if his shtick is oh so funny?

When it comes to the far rightwing, there are only two explanations they can offer for the tripe they spew: 'you took it out of context' or 'it's just a teensy-weensy wittle joke.' Pathetic!
I love Bill Dodds ideas. I have a daughter who is 20 yrs old.  I make about 32K and cannot pay for her college. His ideas to help the middle class are great. She wants to be a teacher and I make too much for Pell grant, what a crock! Please note I own my home and have raised 3 children on my own. I have taken care of my own for a long time. But I just don't have money for her college. So instead of sending all our money to Iraq why don't we invest in our childrens futures!
Can someone explain to me why the federal government is involved in education at all?  Where in the Constitution is it given any power, authority, responsibility, etc., for this (other than that which it has inherently for DC, the territories, military bases, and Native American reservations)?

Education is a STATE matter.  The Federal government has NO right to be involved in it, or to spend one red cent on it.  No Child Left Behind was  bad law for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that it gave the Federal government a role in what it has no business doing.  It should be repealed.  All questions of education policy should be referred to the States and communities for resolution and funding, WITHOUT Federal help or involvement.

That's what the Constitution says.  Let's start following it.
Richard Fifield: Where in the Constitution does it say corporations are CITIZENS ??
I hope you've got a better answer for the question, this time!!

Where in the Constitution does it say we have to support an Imperial War Machine ?
Is Iraq part of our 'National Defense' (yeah, yeah, I know you'll say it is) >

What part of the constitution says corporations get to control and decide our elections ?

Oh ! Did our sacred Constitution ever say that slavery is OK ? Did it say that black people are worth 3/5ths of a white person ?

Wonderful document !!
Teri:

So instead of sending all our money to Iraq why don't we invest in our childrens futures!


LOL - all of our money to Iraq.  Have you seen how much this country spends on education every year?  How about $1.2 trillion.  Per year, every year, and going up.

Save your straw man arguments for something else.

And as Richard says, education is a state and local issue.  The Feds should stay out of it.

Sierra--

I think we went through this once before.  In case I'm wrong, I'll try again:

The 14th Amendment states that "no State shall...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."  In the post Civil War-era a couple of cases made their way up to the Supreme Court which led to the Court declaring that a corporation was a "juridical person" (Slaughter-House Cases [1873], Santa Clara County v. Union Pacific Railroad [1886, I think]).  That has become the conventional wisdom in the US, and I think a number of States have by statute declared corporations to be "persons" as well, although I may be wrong on that.  This is an example of what some have called the "unwritten Constitution," a set of legal norms which are extraconstitutional.  This is NOT the same, manifestly, as doing what the Constitution perforce doesn't allow (in this case, Federal involvement in education [no delegation of power and 10th Amendment]).

With respect to the "imperialist war machine," you're letting your distaste for Iraq and the current Administration get the better of your common sense.  Providing for the military is a core function of the national government under the Constitution.  More than five specific delegations of power are directed at this (see Article I, Section 8, Clauses 11ff.).  Congress authorized Iraq--your beef is with Congress, not the Constitution on that one.

I don't know where you come off stating or implying that corporations control our elections, except to the point that corporations, as persons and citizens, have the right to free speech and to petition the government for a redress of grievances (1st Amendment).  I don't like all the money that's dumped into the campaigns any more than you (apparently) do, but until there's a constitutional amendment limiting the campaigns, and the amount of money that can be spent on them, that's beyond anyone's control.

Lastly, yes, the Constitution did at one time provide for the "3/5 rule" of slaves vs free men (and, thus, implicitly, for slavery).  Your sarcastic diatribe fails to note that the 13th Amendment abolished slavery AND the 3/5 rule.  So now it's not a part of the Constitution anymore.

None of what you stated addresses my core point: the Constitution doesn't provide for a federal role in education.  So why is anyone in Congress or running for President addressing it?
Diana:
So you think sending BILLIONS of American dollars to Iraq and thousands of soldiers is what our Federal government should spend money on?? Educating our children is what is important! If the Federal government helped WORKING American people get an education our country would be in better shape.  So if your theory is correct then the soldiers that serve our Country should not be allowed this education (Federal) benefit? How ignorant can you be?
Apparently, not as ignorant as you Teri.  Defending this country is exactly what the Federal government should do.  We spend more then 10 times the amount of money spent on Iraq every year on education.  Obviously, that amount of money is not enough for you.  And that is fine with me, as long as you don't live anywhere near my school district.  You want to spend more - go ahead.  Won't make any difference though - because we all know that throwing more money at education will not make it any better.  Diminshing returns and all.


> So if your theory is correct then the soldier
that serve our Country should not be allowed this education (Federal) benefit?

What are you, the queen of straw man arguments?  You win a contest or something?  Is it all or nothing with you?  Sure, okay, have the Feds pay for the military's education, that will be about 1% of the Federal education budget.  Happy now?


Richard and Sierra,
Look at the preamble to the Constitution.  Doesn't is say something about providing for the common defense and promote the general welfare?  Common defense, as stated by Sierra, is still an argument when it comes to Iraq.  supporters say it is defense; the other 70% say it is a bad adventure still going bad.  Education, along with other fed programs, promote the general welfare.  Yes, as a fiscal conservative, I would like to see smaller government.  However, since the states have been left to enforce unfunded federal mandated legislation more in recent years, leaving it entirely to the states may not work either.  seems to me the argument comes full circle, back to Iraq, where 70% of so say our blood and resources are being wasted.  However, learning by rote or teaching to the test, the major points of NCLB, do not teach our children to learn how to think.  that, today, remains a big problem.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20205125/site/newsweek/
Sierra, I think the U.S. Constitution was an amazing achievement. Much like our country, it wasn't and today still isn't perfect. Its now infamous 3/5 equation is an excellent example. But considering the context of the times in which it was written, it was revolutionary.
Let's revise Dodd's wish and call the "No Child Left Behind Bars" stopping the Bush-Cheney-Chertoff plan for irritating immigrant taxpayers and US Citizens arrested under the presumption they are undocumented. Visit www.myspace.com/Free_the_Children/ and www.myspace.com/PsychotherapistKen
I believe that the Federal Government has a legimate, not specified in the Constitution, interest in setting minimum standards for public education.  A major part of our power is provided through the capabilities of our population.  These capabilities are greatly enhanced by college education - if there are stndards whereby a college degree will be of approximately equal value regardless of what institution has granted it.

The GI Bill of World War II provided for college ed ucation of veterans, based on the length of service of each veteran.  This was a major source of the impetus that fueled the economic boom during the fifty years beginning in 1950. I believe that the Federal and State Governments should encourage college education as a reward for public, not necessarily military, service.  Teri's youngest daughter should consider a term of military service.  The military does have a college savings plan.   A period of military or other public service makes one appreciate the needs of others, and the benefits of college education.      
Democrats had what 40 years in congress to do education and made things worse and worse every year.  We try something else and still everybody is up in arms.  Just like Health care, the goverment needs to stay out of education.  Nothing the federal government has done as ever worked.
Mark Y--I think I said something about this once before, but maybe not.

The Preamble to the Constitution has ZERO force of law.  It is merely a statement of principles.

There is nothing in the operative clauses of the Constitution (Articles I-VII, and the 27 Amendments) which allow or grant the Federal government a role in education (except in the territories, DC, and the Native American reservations, or in the case of providing veterans' benefits).  Without a specific grant of power, the power doesn't exist.
Diana: "Won't make any difference though - because we all know that throwing more money at education will not make it any better"

Do you have any idea how stupid this sounds? Helping working Americans achieve an education with grants and lower tuition fees will make it better!

Diana: ”What are you, the queen of straw man arguments?  You win a contest or something?  Is it all or nothing with you?  Sure, okay, have the Feds pay for the military's education, that will be about 1% of the Federal education budget.  Happy now?”

What the hell are you talking about? I do not believe in the war in Iraq. It is a huge mistake costing this country billions of dollars and American lives. I do believe some of the money spent there in Iraq could be used to better our country, such as education and infrastructure.  I do not want one more solider hurt or killed over there. Bring the troops home. Spend the money here in our country!



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