cant wait for bush exit.

rove was the master of divide and win elections too bad he wasn't the master of bringing the country together and while he could win elections he could not lead the country to abetter way but rather drove the country into dispair and war quagmire.  A lousy legacy and a lousy thing to do to the country and world.

All i can say is GOOD RIDDANCE!! Simple yes I know, But simple is the only adjective I can use to describe Rove. as in Simpleton.......

This 'I need to spend more time with my family' BS is really getting old. Typical Washington rubbish. So let's have it. What is the REAL reason you are leaving, Mr. Rove? That idiot Mark Levin said last night that there's nothing strange about aides leaving early. He said this is what happens when the President's term is about to run out. Oh sure, Mark, whatever! Bush has a YEAR AND A HALF to go so why the super-early exit?

The Boston Globe labelled it perfectly - contemptuous. I don't know how this "mastermind" could ever sleep knowing he was instrumental in creating the absolute WORST, most contemptuous administration in our nation's history.  I hope his actions come back to haunt him for the rest of his life.

got a long wait until President Bush exits.....  Karl Rove was a good man and served the president well.

What goes around comes around Rove. You have made Rasputin proud.

Looks like Karl decided now is a good time to "Cut & Run".

"got a long wait until President Bush exits.....  Karl Rove was a good man and served the president well."

Yeah, so why did he leave early?

Jerry..I agree with the last part of your sentence about Rove. He served the president well.

If Rove had worked only half as hard to serve the country as he did to serve GW the nation wouldn't be in such a mess.

Uh, Karl, hate to break it to you, but before you can teach, you actually need a college degree.  I hear Regent University may have some undergraduate openings.  Why not give them a call.

Rove is no Bill "the homo hunter" Moyers


He's just a rookie campared to him, or the army of Roves that work for Clinton.

Dave, Bill "the homo hunter" Moyers?  Explain.  Maybe you can name some of Hillary's Roves while you're at it.  Otherwise, dispense with the urban legends.

Hey Jerry/Corpus Christi Texas
It took me awhile but I finally got the joke. Man you guy's in Texas sure have a strange sense of humor

He is probably on Mitts payroll.He is probably in awe of plasticman as he was shrub

Examples, Dave in TN? What Democratic operative in the White House ever raised money for the defense fund of people convicted of jamming the opposition's phone lines on election day? It makes me crazy that people like you find law breaking acceptable since Rove paved the way. What Democratic operative ever convinced the Attorney General to fire competent Attorneys because they didn't cooperate with a plan to interfere with the election process? What Democratic operative ever worked as hard as Rove to elect a zealot whose only aim was to enrich his base, solidify authority in the executive branch, and fulfill a messianic vision of himself? I don't know of any Democratic operative who was that immoral. If you watch the behind the scenes documentary of Bill Clinton's first run for the White House it almost makes you ache over  the innocence of James Carvel and George Stephanopolis. Once and for all, Karl Rove is not the norm for political operatives of either party, he is an aberrition. He is is a sociopath. He is un-American.

Well, Rove sure is fitting the ideal of the ultmate Texas patent-medicine salesman--he's leaving town with citizens fast on his heels looking for the next place where he can sell his worthless wares.

I think a mans worth is measure by his deeds not words. Dave and Jerry ,"use your minds" Clinton and his advisors are not saints. In his administration we had the lowest unemployment in the history of the U.S., The first budget surplus , a growing economy ,and as an added bonus , he promised all prior in his 1st speach to the nation . The only thing the opposing side could do to him is slander and debase him with no concrete evidence to support thier cause. Conjecture and taxpayers dollars spent are the only thing the opposition did ,and they did not even ask the American people what they wanted. On the other hand GWB (get wealthy b$@*%) ; highest unemployment in history , highest defecit ever ,most civil liberty lost in a single presidential term, worst economy ever, Amrican monitary units down to 10th in the world under his reign, largest mass exodus of understaff in history , etc. ,etc. ,etc...
Yes ,I believe a mans record speaks loud to where he will be remembered in history. The fact Rove left leaves the taste of "oops I backed a dead horse ,and now I maybe the next scape goat" in my mouth hmmm.

Last night on the PBS News Hour, David Gergen proposed that Karl Rove attempted to accomplish nationwide what he had helped Bush do in Texas - to push through the Republican agenda mainly by successfully going after 51% of the voters, and putting in place a party that could survive for decades. In Bush's 2004 run, this was attempted by getting the evangelical bloc vote, with the kind assistance of Ted Haggard. Gergen concluded that this 51% routine had eventually failed nationally, without treating the viewer to his guess as to why it failed, assuming that he had one. I will be glad to volunteer my own. The 51% in question was composed of the voters on the Bottom 51% of the IQ scale. Quite a coincidence, huh? This constitutes those unable to see through the BS. I doubt if more than a few dozen were above average in intelligence. This segment of the population has had to make it through life without the BS detector that comes as standard equipment to most of us. Bush's whole campaign targeted this low IQ demographic. He didn't waste his time on those who knew better, just as Kerry didn't kowtow to the religious right. The idea is not new. If Karl Rove didn't think of it himself, he may have picked it up by reading Nietzsche. Thus Spake Zarathustra, to be precise, wherein Z advises power mongers: "Want to multiply your power? Add zeros." For those whose math is not up to snuff, zeros means yokels, rednecks, morons, religious fanatics and others of modest intellect, ie, those already properly brainwashed. My guess as to why the 51% routine failed is because you can only fool about 14% of the people all the time, and by my brand of fuzzy math, Bush's house of cards began getting shaky sometime around the day he stood atop a pile of rubble at ground zero sucking hickies on a fire fighter's jaw and vying for the grandstand play of the decade, soon to be outdone by Operation Mission Accomplished. The aforementioned 14%, then, represents those who voted for Bush twice and would do it again, the bedrock of the moron community. The least stupid of his voter base were the first to abandon ship, followed, in time, by stupider and stupider Bush supporters until finally you get down to the mental midgets, some of whose posts you read here every day, and who would defend to the end Bush's right to pick their pockets and download the Repub party line crapola into their puny, pink little brains via FOX News and other common propaganda outlets. For the past six years, Americans have gotten the kind of government this 51% deserves. Fortunately, only 14% of this number can be joyously fooled again, seemingling boastful of their stupidity. Bush has happened to America twice, possibly due in part to a rigged system. If otherwise reasonable people allow something like this to happen again, we will not be victims. We will be volunteers. Nice guys really do finish last. Our enemies know how to handle the SOBs. You may want to learn a few tricks from them. You always hate your best teachers. Oh, okay, I almost forgot! Liberals don't like guns. Maybe I can come up with an alternative. How about vaseline? Great idea! Our constitution unfortunately offers no viable intermediate step between vaseline and violent revolution.

Joe you can dismiss this if want as being a right wing site, but it was over talk radio back in 2005

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2005/09/bill_moyers_the_homohunter.html

Jerry, yeah he served the resident well.  On his knees along with Jeff Gannon.  Only problem is they were screwing the country at the same time.

So Rove is a hero when he works for GW and a slur against everyone that works as a campaign consultant for Hillary.  Typical Republican double standard.

I have some jobs for Uncle Karl. First personally meet with and apologize to all of the families of dead American victims of his Iraq war -- that should take him about 5 years. Then meet with and apologize to all of the crippled, mangled and disabled American victims of his Iraq war -- that should take him about 20 years. If he still isn't dead he can start on the Iraqi victims which should take him about 150 years.

If any of the learning centers would like to start a class in guttersnipe politics Karl is their man>

Jerry [[ Karl Rove was a good man and served the president well.]]

Karl Rove is an evil man who served the couttry poorly by selling them an incompetent president who mismanaged a war that should never have been started to the point of total catastrophe, and by exploiting 9/11 for political gain while letting Bin Laden off the hook to plot more attacks against us. Most people would be ashamed of a legacy like that, but Rove, being evil, is no doubt proud of all of the death and destruction he enabled.

Rove's most memorable words: "I will (cheney) him like he's never been (cheney'ed)  before."  Meaning of the word replaced by  "cheney" is the same as when Vice Cheney told a Democratic senator to "Go cheney himself". The differencee is that Rove used the actual expletive-deleted against one of his own Repub operatives for messing something up. Whatta great guy!

Oboy, Dave, both a wingnut site AND talk radio?  What is this, the daily double at the track?  First it was an FBI memo, then it was a CIA memo.  Can we figure out which bowl of alphabet soup we're gazing into?

You go JIrby. Finally some intellect!

Did anyone hear the interview with Rove about when he met the scrub for the first time? He remembered everything Bush was wearing, in detail, "his flight jacket, his boots, his confidence when he walked", sounded sooo very gay that my husband, who doesn't make disparaging remarks about anyone, burst out laughing and said, My God, Rove sounds gay!

I think the Washington Post is wrong (again, sigh). Karl Rove goal was never "creating a long-lasting GOP majority in the country."  If you judge by his actions his goal was to energize a hard-core fanatical unthinking minority block of voters and split and suppress the vote of the more thoughtful, nuanced majority. His goal was long term control of the government by the GOP but not by appealing to and winning majority support. The heart of Gonzo scandal is his plan using the Justice department to selectively suppress voting. He is leaving before that shame hits the fan.

Jerry what planet are you one. Karl Rove did not serve the president well. Because of Rove, the country hates George Bush. Rove was the mastermind behind the President's Illegal Immigration ploy and look where that got him with other republicans. He left when the heat got a little to much for Karl ... typical republican ....coward

JIrby, You and I see eye to eye. I mean if you look back as far and beyond DADDY SHRUB .The repubs used Rush as a mouthpiece using words like ,Liberal , and Bus People , and Joe Sixpack. Unbeknownst to them that they were the bus people and joe sixpacks he was talking about. I mean it does not take a genius to look into his audience and see 1500 dollar evening gowns and diamonds . All the while the common man repub sees the illigals ,the ethnics of the country as the bus people and joes. "Liberal" an interesting word when used correct ! I mean lets face it we are all Liberal , moderate ,and conservative depending on the topic at hand and its popularity. They are terms created by men like rove that use them as a slander because most aren't smart enought to see through the BS.

Thank you JIrby for being so honest about who the American Liberals really are today.

Uncle Karl never attended college. Now that he has time he should go and get a liberal education.

bb, watch the YouTube vid. Rove is the biggest geek ever. Sad, actually. Now I know what happens to those kids who are picked on in school - they harden up and become conservative as a reaction to their rotten childhoods.

Karl Rove, is that the kid from Harry Potter.  No, that book was banned in conservative America.  Must be my imagination.  No, I got it.  He's the master of creationism.  Created a president out of a pile of s-----it.  Was that name he told George Bush to use, was it a doody head, no an evil doer.  So sophisticated.  I'm going to miss those catchy slogans.

Great post JIrby I wish I had said that.

bb, Maybe your husband is right wouldn"t that be a hoot? Strom Thurman preached for years against miscegnation and it turned out he was a miscegnator (is that a word) himself.

JIrby, I agree with your premise up to a point. I think those who voted for this President in'04, did so with a great deal of fear in their hearts. I also think they had an ultimate gaol in mind, to make sure they were able to replace 2 Supreme court Justices. The right was outraged with the selection of Meirs. Said they had waited too long and they weren't going to have a candidate they were unsure of and was also acceptable to Democrats.The President and the Rove strategy worked very well for them. So, in their minds, they have been successful.
I think the same strategy will be played out in the next election cycle. Probably one more Supreme Court seat coming up and they want that one very definetly. The negative ads, the swift boating and the fear will soon play out. Indeed, we already see this with the al-Queda link in Iraq being overemphasised along with the Iran fear tooting.
I guess we will have to see how J.Q. Public reacts to all of this. Personally, I don't think Iraq will be flowing along politically anyotime soon. Question is, how this administration plays on the fears of said J.Q.Public.to insure a Republcan is elected.

"Homo Hunter"?  Dave, go spew your bigoted hate speech elsewhere.  Perhaps some place where people don't realize that kind of thing just shows your own closed mind and limited intellect.

Well if you were that little ugly man you'd be mean too.  He will never go far away, he will rear his poisonous persona and strike again. He may not be as visible next time so be on the lookout.

PJ:  It will no longer be "cut and run."  The new mantra for '08 is "cut and Rove."

Amy: I can. Or have you forgotton the Democrats escapades with the Communist Chinese[ and organized crime], so soon? Forget about the ''innocence''of Jimmy Carville. His meetings with Charlie Trie,Maria Hseh,and John Huang, all operatives of the Peoples Republic of China that was directly attempting to drive the direction of an American national election, rendered him alot less than ''innocent''. [Huang would go on the invoke the 5th Amendment[protecting Carville ,Clinton and others], 51 consecutive times at his hearing, while Charlie Trie took legbail and split to China]. Chinese were crawling all over the White House, to such a degree that the Chinese Army,was able to place a spy right in Clintons lap in the form of the lovely Liu Chaoying [Associated Press photographs of Clinton,Trie and Chaoying available through the AP and WIKIPEDIA],who was a Lt.Col. in the Red Army before being picked up to spy on the US when she was at a Chinese aerospace company which happened to be the same one  benefited by Clintons ''presidential waivers''to campaign buddies at LORAL and HUGHES [The 1999 COX HEARINGS at www.house.gov for more on that],despite the fact that this company was a Red Army front.Thus,the missle technology went straight to Chinas ICBM missle fleet.
  Smack in the middle of this mess, VP Gore suddenly decides that the Constitution has ''no controlling authority''to prevent him from dialing-for-Chinese-funny-money INSIDE of the White House,forgetting about the Hatch Act,at the same time that DNC operatives meet with Ron Carey of the Teamsters and his backers,members of the Gambino crime family in order to seal Careys election to the Teamsters in a gross quid-pro-quo for union support in the upcoming presidential election.[ a couple of DNC spearcarriers for McAullife would fall on their tearful swords for their masters and do small time at a fed lockup in Illinois]. For these shenanagins,the DNC would pay the largest fine in American political history,however,all of the principals,Hseh,Huang,McAullife,Gore,Clinton,Carville,Hu,Wu,and others would skate scott-free. Don't hand us your ''un-American ''jive. We have already been witness to it.

JIrby many of the people you are speaking of are not necessarily un-educated but un-read they will say "Somebody told me" and never say "I read..." and are the same people who say "I had rather fight them over there than over here" Whenever they turn on their television it is to insert a dvd.

Great post JIrby, Colorado.

It sounds like Karl is utilizing the "cut and run" strategy that he accuses anyone who opposes him and the rest of this misguided and corrupt administration of embracing.  When the going got tough for him, Karl cut and run.  I think Karl ought to enlist in the "all volunteer" army and go to Iraq to fight the war that he helped create and sell (all too easily) to the American public since he loves this country so much and believes in the righteousness of this illegal occupation of a sovereign country.  However, the chances of that actually happening are less than zero.  Has anyone ever noticed that Bush and the members of his administration generally have avioded military service but are all too willing to "sacrifice" the lives of others to fight a bogus war that was contrived by them solely for their own selfish political purposes.  They are not only hypocrites bu, worse, they are cowards who are completely devoid of honor, morality or conscience.

It sounds like Karl is utilizing the "cut and run" strategy that he accuses anyone who opposes him and the rest of this misguided and corrupt administration of embracing.  When the going got tough for him, Karl cut and run.  I think Karl ought to enlist in the "all volunteer" army and go to Iraq to fight the war that he helped create and sell (all too easily) to the American public since he loves this country so much and believes in the righteousness of this illegal occupation of a sovereign country.  However, the chances of that actually happening are less than zero.  Has anyone ever noticed that Bush and the members of his administration generally have avioded military service but are all too willing to "sacrifice" the lives of others to fight a bogus war that was contrived by them solely for their own selfish political purposes.  They are not only hypocrites bu, worse, they are cowards who are completely devoid of honor, morality or conscience.

Rove, with the help of the shrub,both almost destroyed their own party.What a disgrace these two are!

Lee,
did you read Jeffersonian Don 12:07 post?  I also acknowledge Clinton was no saint; however, almost every defense of the shrub from the neocons starts with "Well, Clinton did this" or "Clinton did that".  Both Bill's and george's terms in office will be analyzed by what they did and how did it affect the people...both here and globally.  I still see more negatives from shrub's 6 1/2 years than Clinton's 8 years.  The points you make are valid; maybe there should have been more investigation.  You need to remember that the repug congress did nothing about it.  Seems eerily similar today...except the dems are frustrated about not getting anything done about Plame outing; gonzo; warrantless wiretapping etc.
BTW, thought-provoking posts by Jeffersonian and JIrby. With turdblossom gone, perhaps some civility can be brought back to the politcial process so candidates' messages can actually get through to the voters.

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