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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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*** Flying Blind: NBC/WSJ pollster Peter Hart (D) tells First Read that the revision of the primary calendar -- moving Iowa forward to the first few days in January -- is really the most important political event that has happened in the past few months. From his point of view, it changes the entire rhythm of the political cycle in a way that cannot be fully appreciated, maybe not until after the nominating contests are over. Hart says it would be interesting to re-play many of the past caucuses if they were held on January 5th or 7th; his guess is that Dean would have won in 2004, and that Reagan would have defeated Bush in 1980. Perhaps most significant of all is that no one will know who's up and who's down right before Iowa. No self-respecting polling company, he says, does polling between the 20th and 25th of December. So we very well might have no idea how Iowa will break until after the results are in. If Hart's right and the leader before Christmas is the leader on Caucus day, does that make the window between Thanksgiving and December 20 the three most important three weeks of the primary campaign?

*** On The Media Couch: Today, the Karl Rove story has that feel of "everything's been said, just not everyone has said it," meaning that Rove will be on the media couch all week. The thing that is going to burn the current occupant in the Oval Office is that Rove's exit is being used as the definitive proof that Bush is a "lame duck." It's an obvious observation and, frankly, unavoidable. But no doubt it's ticking off Bush and those folks who remain in the West Wing. One other Rove note: What the made him different from every other modern political savant-like adviser (whom the media fawned over, at times TOO much) was that he decided to accept a formal role in the White House after electing his client. Ultimately, was that a good idea?

VIDEO: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd's first read on the next Karl Rove and selling Hillary Clinton in Iowa.

*** Searching For The Next Rove: The question now turns to: Who becomes the next famous -- or, depending on your political views, infamous -- political operative? Clinton’s Mark Penn or Mandy Grunwald? Obama’s David Axelrod? Edwards’ Joe Trippi or Elizabeth Edwards? Giuliani’s Tony Carbonetti? Romney’s Alex Gage? Bloomberg’s Sheekey? The answer, of course, will be determined by which presidential candidate wins on November 4, 2008. But as the New York Times’ Nagourney asked last month, just how important are these uber-strategists anyway? “There is little doubt that consultants … are an integral part of defining who the candidate is and presenting the candidate’s ideas to the public,” he wrote. “But consultants are not the candidate. And for all the attention paid to them, they rarely, if ever, determine whether a candidate wins the election.” That said, the media will anoint one or more of these folks to legendary status, deserved or not, and will have this debate about their importance all over again, same time next term.

*** Did You Know That Rove Was A Dwight Schrute Look-Alike? Speaking of Rove, don’t miss this 1972 Dan Rather report on Nixon’s re-election campaign, which comes courtesy of NBC political analyst Charlie Cook (who apparently loves YouTube). About three-quarters of the way in, Rather interviews a young, bespectacled, and big-haired Karl Rove, who talks about the GOP youth vote. This belongs in a political museum. Enjoy.

*** A Day With Hillary: NBC's Andrea Mitchell spent the day with Hillary Clinton yesterday and pressed her on recent questions that were being raised about her electability, particularly by Republicans. Clinton: "I don't think that's what they want at all. I think that -- you know, they play a lot of games. And I'm well aware of that. But I know that -- I'm gonna run a winning campaign. And I think they know I'm gonna win a running campaign." Asked about the Ron Fournier AP story claiming Democrats are nervous about Clinton leading the ticket, Clinton: "Well, I'm ahead, and I'm winning and I'm gaining support everywhere I go. And I don't think I have any right to anybody's vote. I have to earn every vote, and that's what I'm doing everyday; going out and talking about what I would do as President, reaching out to people. What I have found is that in a campaign I have a real chance for people to be disabused of a lot of the stereotypes and the caricatures about me." Also… per her campaign, look for Clinton to touch on the same themes in her Iowa speech today that she's airing in her new TV ad; the "invisible" mantra is one we should expect to hear all week long (if not longer).

VIDEO:  NBC's Andrea Mitchell on Hillary Clinton's inside look at the life of a nurse.

*** Stumping In Iowa: If you’re a presidential candidate, chances are that you’re in Iowa today. Clinton hits Dubuque and Council Bluffs; Dodd travels to Adel, Boone, and Fort Dodge; Edwards makes six stops in the state on his "Fighting for One America" bus tour; McCain, in Des Moines, gives a soap box speech at the state fair; and Richardson does the same. New Hampshire and South Carolina might be driving the primary calendar, but Iowa is still the candidates’ No.1 destination.

*** On The Trail: Elsewhere, Giuliani gives an immigration speech from Aiken, SC. And Romney holds an “Ask Mitt Anything” town hall and a media avail in Oklahoma City before heading to Grand Prairie, TX to attend Sean Hannity's Freedom Concert.

Countdown to MA-05 Special Election: 20 days
Countdown to LA GOV election: 67 days
Countdown to Election Day 2007: 84 days
Countdown to LA GOV run-off (if necessary): 95 days
Countdown to Iowa: 152 days
Countdown to Tsunami Tuesday: 174 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 448 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 525 days

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Rove was a back stabbing dirty trickster going back to Nixon and he never graduated from college. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
All you need to know about Rove is that he threw a defense fund raising party for the Republicans convicted of jamming Democratic phone lines on election day in NH.

Yet another Bush crony who would be right at home in the administration of Third Reich.

If you are doing polling during thanksgiving weekend or christmas time, better hire some people with Marine ears.  Most people are going to say "WHAT THE &*(^%% ARE YOU CALLING ME FOR AT (fill in the blank).Hillary seems pretty confident about winning the democratic nomination and (maybe) the election, even if it throws the other democratic runners under the bus.  Typical Hillary!  Maybe they need to rename the party the Hillary party, it's all about her.
Ask Mitt anything....Yeah right as long as they are an audience that are pre-screened.
Watched the YouTube vid. God, what happened to Rove?! Looks like he spent waaayyy too much time eating junk food.
PLEASE stop with the pictures of turdblossum..I am nauseous.
Jerry we all know that you are secretly in love with Hillary because you just cant seem to stop writing about her. Do you have anything insightful to say about the other candidates regardless of party affliation ... your Hillary comments are just outright boring to us readers ... please offer something more stimulating.
Why do you care, Jerry, if Hillary wins the nomination? Here are my guesses: you are beginning to flip-flop to 'our' side OR you are scared that if she gets the nomination she will win the White House. Hey, if you guys on the Right (including the numbskull talkers) are so confident that she will be a loser in the election then why all the attacks on her? You should be relishing the prospect of a Hillary nomination!
Ricardo, Jerry must have a 'thing' for her thighs. Even Mark Levin, the righty talk host, calls Hillary 'Her Thighness'. Think I'm on to something here...lol...
Ha Ha Ha Ha...........jerry the republiCANT is scared WITLESS of Hillary, and obsesses on her daily.

To all of you Liberal AND/OR Democratic "Hillary Haters" out there.....that ought to be your first clue!

NOMINATE HER!
We do relish the thought of Hillary winning the nomination.  The gloves come off and we can really find out what Hillary is all about.  You look at Hillary and think "The Queen".  I look at Hillary and think "The Fool".

Let's see here:

Edwards:  let's his wife do the hardball talking,
       maybe she should replace Chris matthews.
Obama:  Seems to be a good man for a liberal.  Needs a
       little seasoning before he is served up as the
       main course.

Richardson/Biden/Dodd/Gravel/Dennis:  Forget it

On my side:

Mitt:  A good decent man, top notch businessman, knows
what it takes to run a country if the democrat congress will let him.

Rudy:  same thing, good decent man, did very well as Mayor of New York City.

the other's---Nah!
Repubs are scared to death of Hillary! Thats why all the attacts on her. She will win the nomination. She will win the presidency and pick Edwards or Obama as the Vice.
M. Boley / the reason the so called right is backing hillary is because they win either way, if hillary wins the primary it eliminates any chance of a decent dem becoming president, if she loses the general election rudy gets elected to continue catering to the wealthy, if hillary (big businesses sweetheart) gets elected she continues catering to the wealthy, the repubs can't lose either way with they're girl hillary, if people would look at hillary for what her policies would be as president instead of the fact that she was born with a vagina no one except the wealthy elite that currently control this country could vote for her, she has nothing new to offer, she refuses to make a commitment to anything or anyone except the lobbyists that have bought her out years ago
Well, Jerry, if you and the Right 'relish' it then why all the attacks? Wouldn't it be better to just shut up and let 'Her Thighness' dig her own political grave?

Naaah... I stand by my earlier thought - you guys are absolutely SCARED of her because she will present a formidable challenge to ANY of the Right's candidates! LOL!
Jerry is just like the other neocons they are scared shirtless of an intelligent woman.
525 days until inauguration day for Hillary Clinton.   hillaryclinton.com
Merle, I am still looking for what Hillary Clinton has done for the people of the state of New York.  I cannot find anything she has done to make the lives of new Yorkers brighter.  I cannot find anything that Hillary Clinton has done to help with lowering taxes or make a dollar go farther in the great state of new York.  Anybody?  Anybody?  Bueller? Bueller?  
Jerry - So Hillary should be saying "I think I'm going to lose"?  That doesn't make sense.  You are ridiculing her because she says she is confident in her ability to win the nomination and to run a winning campaign.  What is wrong in that statement?  I bet if you looked through Mitt's statements, or Rudy's statements, you would find similar quotes.  No candidate is going to say "I don't think I can win."
You notice the repuks have no one to go against our Democrats. They are so afraid of Senator Clinton, she has the support of people with brains. People who did not vote for puke head bush, people who were not brainwashed into thinking shrub was the second coming of Christ.
65% of women vote.
62& of men vote.
There are 82.5 million mothers.(we always know who the mothers are)
152  million women to a mere 148 million men.
WOMEN ARE THE MAJORITY.
Women vote.

jerry............Ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha

Where do we start.......Oh yeah...............
"Rappin' Rudy 'G' The Gigolo of The G.O.P."

a) married his cousin

b) cheated on his wife/cousin with wife #2 to be, Donna Hanover.

c) left wife #2 at Gracie Mansion along with the kids, while he went trolliping around NYC with wife to be #3, Judy Nathan.

d) appointed Bernard Kerrick, a man with KNOWN ties to organized crime, as Police Commisioner of NY.

e) knew that the FDNY's repeater radio system didn't work, but did nothing about it and thusly allowed some 300 odd firefighters to die on 911 because they couldn't hear the order to retreat from the buildings before they collapsed.

f) tried to get the 2001 Mayoral election in NYC canceled in the wake of 911. (Please tell me how a terrorist could be anymore successful than to get an election in the USA canceled?!)

Ha Ha Ha Ha......nahhhhh, no thanks jerry. America will pass on Rudy.

As for yo' boy Romney...Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

a) comes from Michigan, not Massachisetts which makes him a carpetbagger (isnt that what you say about Hillary all the time?)

b) supported gay rights, gun control, and a woman's right to choose as Governor of Mass. (But, now claims to be a "Reagan conservative.")

c) Couldn't get re-elected Governor of Mass. (But, were supposed to make him President?)

and finally.....

d) hunted squirrels a couple of times..........

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
ARE YOU KIDDIN' ME? YOU GOT NOTHING!!!!!!!!
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

jerry............Ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha

Where do we start.......Oh yeah...............
"Rappin' Rudy 'G' The Gigolo of The G.O.P."

a) married his cousin

b) cheated on his wife/cousin with wife #2 to be, Donna Hanover.

c) left wife #2 at Gracie Mansion along with the kids, while he went trolliping around NYC with wife to be #3, Judy Nathan.

d) appointed Bernard Kerrick, a man with KNOWN ties to organized crime, as Police Commisioner of NY.

e) knew that the FDNY's repeater radio system didn't work, but did nothing about it and thusly allowed some 300 odd firefighters to die on 911 because they couldn't hear the order to retreat from the buildings before they collapsed.

f) tried to get the 2001 Mayoral election in NYC canceled in the wake of 911. (Please tell me how a terrorist could be anymore successful than to get an election in the USA canceled?!)

Ha Ha Ha Ha......nahhhhh, no thanks jerry. America will pass on Rudy.

As for yo' boy Romney...Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

a) comes from Michigan, not Massachisetts which makes him a carpetbagger (isnt that what you say about Hillary all the time?)

b) supported gay rights, gun control, and a woman's right to choose as Governor of Mass. (But, now claims to be a "Reagan conservative.")

c) Couldn't get re-elected Governor of Mass. (But, were supposed to make him President?)

and finally.....

d) hunted squirrels a couple of times..........

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
ARE YOU KIDDIN' ME? YOU GOT NOTHING!!!!!!!!
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

You notice the repuks have no one to go against our Democrats. They are so afraid of Senator Clinton, she has the support of people with brains. People who did not vote for puke head bush, people who were not brainwashed into thinking shrub was the second coming of Christ.
65% of women vote.
62& of men vote.
There are 82.5 million mothers.(we always know who the mothers are)
152  million women to a mere 148 million men.
WOMEN ARE THE MAJORITY.
Women vote.

What did Bush do for Texas when he was govornor?Nobody cared----Rudy or Mitt?Maybe Rudy can borrow mitts 5 sons to campaign for him as his own children refuse.Course they are busy keeping this nation safe from IEDs and suicide bombers so daddy can be the president.Mitt talks as illiterate as Bush so the republicans love him
Sorry, MK, I don't think the Right will 'win' either way. None of the candidates that are leading are 'true' conservatives so the Far Right isn't truly represented in this contest. Freddy is a tad late now and I don't see him moving to the front - hell, he hasn't even declared yet! LOL! - Mitt is a flip-flopper extraordinaire which doesn't sit well with the 'base' and Giuliani is socially liberal which alienates the evangelical vote. McCain is basically a goner, Brownback and Tancredo are bringing up the rear, Paul is way too far 'out there', and Thompson has quit. Not too sure about the 'Huck', though...

All in all... the best that the Far Right can get is Fred Thompson and I just don't see him getting it. It'll be either Romney or Giuliani - and Hillary will be a strong challenger to either of them.
You notice the repuks have no one to go against our Democrats. They are so afraid of Senator Clinton, she has the support of people with brains. People who did not vote for puke head bush, people who were not brainwashed into thinking shrub was the second coming of Christ.

65% of women vote.
62% of men vote.

There are 82.5 million mothers. (we always know who the mothers are)

152  million women to a mere 148 million men.

WOMEN ARE THE MAJORITY.
Women vote.

I am praying there never is another Karl Rove and I'm not even religious.
Well Merle, I think I can counter with.....

Hillary Clinton:

1.  Anti-semitic remark in 1974
2.  Rose law firm paperwork
3.  travelgate
4.  watergate
5.  furniture removal from the white house
6.  secret paperwork stored in Little Rock
7.  ties to INFOUSA
8.  Vince Foster
9.  tied in with sweatshop owner in Northern Mariana's
10. Futures trading.

I could go all day Merle.  No thanks, I'll pass on Hillary.
My point is Carrie, the story makes it seem that Hillary will try and win, even at the cost of losing people in the democratic races elsewhere.  She does not have a whole lot of support down here in south Texas.  Our democrat house guy here is sure keeping quiet about supporting ANY democratic nominee right now, there is a very good reason for it.  Obama and Edwards seem to outpace her in south Texas right now. maybe that will change when she comes down here.  Until then, Texas is not on the democratic radar right now, considering it is a GOP state right now.
There is no "next" Rove....there's only room for 1 under that rock he crawled out from under.
Yes, HP, there are more women than men. But for your argument to be valid, you must be acknowledging that women will vote for Clinton because she's also a woman, as opposed to voting for her because she's the candidate they see as the best.

Isn't that demeaning women to like a second grade maturity level?

I'm certainly no expert on feminism but that seems more than a little insulting. What do the other women here think?

Of course there's always a chance I'm missing something. I'm also no expert on African Americans, so I didn't pick up on how big a mistake Clinton may have made when she said a marriage amendment would be the first time discrimination had ever been written into the U.S. Constitution. She seemingly forgot for a moment the 3/5 equation. I've heard from some others that this gaffe could well have legs.
Rove kinda looks like Jefferey Dahmer in that video.
Get her gone'. hillaryclinton.com
H P Boston / I am women, hear me roar. let's be sure and base our vote on the really critical issue, which candidate has mommy parts, please
Duncan Hunter, and Condi in 08 :-)
Right on M.Boley the Re-pugs are privately freaking out that our next president will be Hillery as long they are not stolen vis-a-vis Diebold machines and/or right wing Supreme court.  
jerry, Carrie, and J Merle laugh at each other... now that's entertainment!  (not to mention salient political insight)
Jerry, those ten supposed BAD things about Hillary were the dumbest reasons I have ever seen, EVER!!Half were so lame I laughed out loud and the other half were proven untrue. Thanks JMerle and HP for also making me laugh for your correct and hysterical comebacks in respoonse to the ultimate chucklehead Jerry, who runs a close second behind the shrub.
jerry.....and what cross section of GOP voters would be likely to stick around for Giulliani?
Ha Ha Ha Ha
A guy who supports a woman's right to choose, gun control, and gay rights is going to "galvanize" the base of CANTservative, evangelical, and "log cabin" voters?
I don't think so! (....and truthfully, neither do you, so just admit it.)
By the way, do you know why Mexico doesn't fall off into the Gulf?........Because south Texas sucks, that's why.
It's been proven that the Democrats don't need Texas to win an election....But the GOP can't win without it AND Florida.
We CAN win without either.
(smile)
"chucklehead," now that is a term of rhetoric and political persuasion new to the board.  It has become a slippery board indeed, sliding into utter absurdity faster than a kid with wet pants on the playground... slide on...
Jerry get your facts straight. First of all she was a new lawyer sitting on  the House congressional watergate committee; it was your buddy Delay that was running the sweatshops in Miariana Islands, that dreaded travelgate scandal, 90% of population could not tell you who Foster was let alone that he killed himself; anti-semitic remark in 1974(THE HORROR OF IT ALL) Now lets compare the Repug scandals going back to the 70's 1)Watergate (Nixon), 2) Secretly bombing Cambodia (Nixon); 3) Illegal wiretapping of his enemies (sounds familiar) 4) Illegal contra war (Reagan); 5) Bush 1 ( S&L scandal); 6) Wag the dog invasion of Panama (former CIA buddy Noriega) and finally your best buddy/pal The Shrub with so many scandals it would take all afternoon with the usual co-defendants, Texas mafia and suspects. I do not trust most politicians;however; your love affair with all things Republicans borders on obsessive-compulsiveness-GET HELP.  
Paul you think everything has legs.
I will tell what has legs, WOMEN as they run to the polls to vote for HILLARY! And some I may add, have very great looking legs.
Dave- Duncan/Condi HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YEAH ABOUT SWAMPLAND IN FLORIDA.
Have been posting in other places lately, but running the board this morning I find among the usual meaningless blather, a poster named Pappy.  I find him abrasive, misanthropic and rather mean-spirited.  And oh, how refreshing.  Since he hasn't seemed to slow down the deluge of irrelevant and empty chat here, I propose we go off-line and I'll turn you on to some better venues, Pappy.  You did say that you and your friends had gone to "greener pastures."  My advice is to go back, stay there, and leave these vulnerable children alone.
jerry.
#1)Hillary wasn't involved in Watergate LOLOLOLOL. She helped to prosecute that LIAR Nixon...how's THAT a negative? (You got NUTHIN' here)
#2) Two seperate Grand Jurys REFUSED to indict Hillary for anything connected to Whitewater or the Rose Law Firm. (You got NUTHIN' with either of the two)
#3)Not single White House official was indicted or convicted for anything regarding the firing of incompetant workers in the White House Travel office. (again, you got NUTHIN')
#4) Your hero Ken Starr himself ruled Vince Foster's death a suicide. (Once again.....NUTHIN.' Not to mention the fact that it is cold heartedly vicious for the Foster family to have to hear Vince's name used repeatedly by CANTservatives for political purposes. Just proves the depth to which you will stoop.)
#5) "Ties to sweatshop owner in Northen Mariana's" no more significant than The Bush families' ties to Bin Laden through the Carlysle Group.
#6) Furniture removal from the White House approved by the National Park service and the National Archives.
#7 Nobody knows who or what INFOUSA is, nor do we give a rip. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
#8 Secret paperwork stored in Littlerock is a non-issue manufactured by idiot neo-cons like yourself to give the appearance of impropriety. In short...nobody cares. (NUTHIN')
#9 The Clintons made money on cattle futures? Ha Ha Ha, so what? Last time I looked that's called CAPITOLISM. To this day, nobody has explained how the Texas Rangers acquired the property to build their ballpark for $1 million while Bush was their GM, when it was vauled at 4 times that; OR, how Bush new to divest himself of all his holdings in Harken Energy 30 days before it went bankrupt. (If I remember correctly, Martha Stewart went to jail for selling her Imclone stock before it went belly up.)
ONCE AGAIN........Notta', zip, zero, donuts, goose eggs, aspirin tablets, NUTHIN'!!!!!

Gigolo Rudy 'G' on the other hand must explain why;

he tried to cancel the Mayoral election in 2001. (Was he caving in to terrorism? Seems to me like he was!)

why he left his wife at Gracie Mansion while he whored around town with Judy Nathan;

why he allowed the FDNY's repeater radio system to fail over and over again without doing anything about it....until it FINALLY resulted in the deaths of hundreds of firefighters on 911 who didn't hear the call to retreat from the buildings;

why he hired a man with known underworld ties to be his Police Commissioner;

why he allowed police officers to torture Abner Louima (toilet plunger shoved up his rectum while other officers laughed and guarded the door) and why he didn't actively pursue charges against the officers involved BEFORE a grand jury indicted them; and why he allowed police officers to KILL Amadou Diallo (wanted for nothing, charged with nothing, SHOT 41 times w/entrance wounds in the soles of his feet!);

why he authorized THOUSANDS of the taxpayers dollars to be spent on police overtime for security at his police commissioner's daughter's wedding;

why he scaled back on recovery efforts for missing bodies at ground zero AFTER the gold and silver from the underground vaults was located.
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Shall I go on, jerry?
I guess not.
Because, as we know, I'll never get answer from you about these things, and WE will never get an answer from 'Rappin' Rudy 'G' The Gigolo of The G.O.P."
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
YOU GOT NUTHIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



 






If she was so concerned about sweatshops, she would not have taken the $8000 from the tan family. Shows she is a sweatshop supporter unless he denounces it and gives the money back.  Haven't seen that yet.
Just read the previous posts... like Borat on acid.  I could not make this stuff up.  
JMerle, keep it up, you're the best!
Clinton, Clinton, Clinton. That is all you news folks know.  How is Clinton out so far above Obama.  Ask CNN the Clinton National Network.  These polls, where are they from, who are these folks who are polled, where are they.  Makes me go HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
If Clinton gets the nomination you do know that we will then have a Republican President for those who don't like Clinton will just NOT VOTE>
Wake up Americans
Yeah, go J Merle.  Susan likes it.
HP Boston I think you have hit upon the reason republicans are so scared of Hillary Clinton, they are afraid that meek little stepford wife will get in the voting booth and say "This may be my last chance to see a woman president".


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