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Rove slams Hillary, Democrats

Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:26 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Carrie Dann and Mark Murray
For the second time in two days, a high-ranking White House official has taken issue with Hillary Clinton's recent critical campaign TV ad of President Bush. Yesterday, it was White House spokeswoman Dana Perino; today, it's none other than outgoing political adviser Karl Rove.

Rove -- who called Clinton a "fatally flawed" candidate the day he announced his resignation -- dialed in to Rush Limbaugh's radio show today, where he slammed Clinton's record on both health care and national security issues. "I'm a little bit surprised that somebody with a record so weak on these things would somehow deign to lecture this president," he said.

Of course, as was mentioned yesterday, this kind of criticism from Rove is precisely what the Clinton campaign wants. The more the White House spars with her, the more it bolsters her anti-war credentials; placates liberals who are skeptical of her stands on some of the issues; and transforms her into a "change" candidate.

Much of Rove's critique was based on the strongly anti-Bush ad that Clinton's campaign just started running in Iowa. The ad, entitled "Invisible," alleges that Bush has ignored the health-care needs of everyday Americans and war veterans. Rove called the ad "over the top," saying that its accusations against the Bush Administration are "amazing" in light of Clinton's "spotty" voting record on health care. He added that the claim that Bush has neglected American troops is "egregious," and he accused Clinton herself of denying the military of needed tools by opposing measures like the Patriot Act and the terrorist surveillance program. "How did she vote on the surge?" Rove challenged.

In addition to hammering Hillary, Rove took shots at Democrats, who also have been critical of President Bush. He said that many of the president's most avid critics are "elite effete snobs," and later implied that their rhetorical pummeling of Bush signals weakness and disorganization within the Democratic Party. "The fallback position in politics is that if you don't know what you want to be about, if you don't know what your position is, go with somebody else," said Rove.

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You Media Folks keep telling me, a Democratic voter, that these Bush Administration attacks make me more content with Hillary as my nominee and also make me view her as a "change" candidate-- either my fellow Democrats are gullible fools, which I doubt, or you in the Media should bother to talk to some of us before making up conclusions about how voters and carrying the water for Hillary Clinton and her exclusionary, overly-proud group of Uppity Clintonites.

These attacks simply reaffirm that Hillary Clinton offers America 4 more years of tradtional Washington bickering, whining and excuses.
Rove is not stupid, he knows exactly what he is doing.
They want Hillary as the person they run against and part of that is setting it up as Hillary against Bush so the democrats and the media will do exactly what you guys are doing.

I hope the Democrats don't let Rove SUCKER us again.  OK democrats he has his fiddle out are we going to let him play us.

Rove doesn't do anything without thinking about it.
So the sissy man is slamming someone? What a joke. The only thing that fem would like to slam is Georgie boy... in his flak jacket and boots of course.
"Rove -- who called Clinton a "fatally flawed" candidate the day he announced his resignation -- dialed in to Rush Limbaugh's radio show ..."

A nazi's grandson and an anal cyst will save America.
Imagine that. Rove calling someone else flawed. What a ruthless peice of trash.
Like Rove, or Bush for that matter, have any room to talk.  History books will have whole chapters on the mess they got us into.  Hillary on the other hand has little room to talk either, she voted the wrong way on Iraq and a whole slew of other issues.  She did those things, betrayed our trust, so she could play political football and run for President.  shame on her for lacking integrity, but shame on you if you vote for her thinking she's gonna change.

Go Obama, bring the hope and rock the vote!
Yes, ladies and gentelmen here it comes, more b.s. out of the mouth of Karl Rove. Karl stick it where the "sun don't shine".
Well Paul Miller will be happy his guy Obama does not have Turd Blossom on his back.
Clinton being the front runner will have to kick balls for us.  
Ah just the ticket, rove is so despised he will help the democrats all the way to the White House.
This little man has a lot of room to call anyone else an "elitist snob", with the sneaky, underhanded, unethical and immoral behavior he has exhibited during his career.  What does he care about the men and women serving in Iraq and Afganistan? - with his own son attending college, safe from harm.  But he sure does not hav a problem with sending others sons and daughters to die for this fiasco in Iraq - that he helped create.  He and Rush deserve each other - both are sorry excuses for human beings.  
Thanks Karl, BTW your breath smells like poop.  Are you in bloom?
I agree with Joe. The media needs to calm down and just give us the straight news, not pontificate on what it means. I think the American people are smart enough to know the Hillary came out with this ad just to get the whitehouse to respond back and make her look as a fighter. Politicians are so phony..
Why doesn't the media go into her skeltons in the closet. Out of all candidates she has had the most scandals. Everything is hunky dory to the democrats and the MSM
Joe --I couldn't agree more!!! I'm desperately trying not to be anti Hillary Clinton but it seems to me that her biggest problem MAY be in the general election not the primary. I think these accusatations just confirm what 49% of americans already think about her.
Beware. Never a good idea to allow your opponent to choose your champion.

"The more the White House spars with her, the more it bolsters her anti-war credentials; placates liberals who are skeptical of her stands on some of the issues; and transforms her into a "change" candidate."
The Republicans are "scared", very, very scared of Hillary. And well they should be, there is a new kid in town and nobody or no thing is going to stop her. They can smear, b.s. all day, all night long. The American public is now "fully" aware of their dirty tatics. They have brought us 6+ years of hell. We will be giving you. Hill.... hillaryclinton.com
Couldn't have said it better Joe Justice.
"Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night" - Dylan Thomas.
I think these attacks are meant to fool folks into think Hillary is the only choice as the Democratic Nominee and allows Republicans rile up their folks and raise money. I was talking to a Republican Political strategist the other day and he flat out said the Republicans will be able to fund-raise like crazy if Hillary is the nominee.

Nice try Karl, nice try!

P.S. Will someone tell me how being 1st lady gave Hillary all this foreign policy experience. I understand she is in the Senate and all but only for one full term. If anyone should be promoting their foreign policy experience it's Biden, Dodd, and Richardson. If being 1st lady gives her the needed experience to be President should we expect a Laura Bush in 2012 campaign?
Karl Rove is a "winnie".And I approve of this message.
"elite effete snobs" -- I believe that is a direct quote lifted from a speech by that Republican paragon of virtue former vice president Spiro Agnew (indicted for taking bribes, he had to resign) and which was written by Pat Buchanan? What is next, will Rove use another Agnew slur and call us "nattering nanobs of negativism."  Rove has such wonderful role models!
This wisdom from the man who managed to lose to Al Gore (before his personality grew) by 500,000 votes in the midst of Clinton fatigue and won in 2004 against a Massachusetts liberal by one state.

Rove is the most over-hyped consultant in the world, bar none.

PS Many of his dirty tricks are borderline were racist not genius. (McCain's black baby and his ongoing 'election fraud' hoax.) If he could win legitimately i'd be impressed, but cheaters always have great advantages.
While Obama talks about reaching across the aisle to work with Republicans and building consensus, Hilary wants to fight with them and relishes attacks from the White House most divisive personnel. Go figure.
Joe - With all due respect, I don't see this article as tell you with what you should be content.  It says that the HILLARY campaign wants the Bush Administration to go after her in the hopes that it will accomplish those goals.  The sentence explaining the results of attacks by Rove and other Bushies modifies and clarifies the previous sentence saying this is what her campaign wants.  It does not offer the opinion that this is what is actually being accomplished.  
When bush veto's health care for kids and repubs uphold it that is CHILD ABUSE plain and simple.
Interesting philosophy Joe.....Hillary is attacked by one of the clowns who "outed" a covert CIA agent, a man who once referred to the war in Iraq as a "winning (political) issue," the guy who "accidentally" erased thousands of RNC emails on his White House computer.....and your response is to attack HER.
That's a typical republiCANT tactic. You aren't a Democrat, plain and simple.
By the way, what did you expect from these two Bozo's, Rove and Limbaugh.
One is a closet queen who's ashamed of his sexual persuasion, and the other is a drug addict.
Amen Joe!!!

Go Obama
It's all a show "don't look behind the curtain" the great and powerful wizard of OZ.  Since the Republicans have pretty much concluded they are out of the White House Hillary Clinton is their choice and I think they will push any issue to promote her cause.  Money talks and they don't care if you are Repubican or Democrat as long as you promote their cause.      
Joe Justice, we're going to have to live with Karl Rove for the time being, even if he hasn't a leg to stand on with his "record" in the Bush Administration. He has no business attacking anyone.

But as far as attacking Hillary Clinton, one must attack her policies if she is running for President of the United States. Every single candidate's policies should be scrutinized.

What's unfortunate is that Karl Rove was speaking on Rush Limbaugh's radio program. The most ignorant talk show host in the country and Rove picks his program to talk about Hillary Clinton.

Rove will always have a voice when people such as Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Inghram, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, John Gibson and Chris Wallace have their own programs.

Fasten your seatbelts.
You are wrong Joe – The attacks only reaffirm how relentless the GOP is and how Hillary (and Bill) Clinton are the only ones who have managed to survive their attacks.  That’s one of many reasons Hillary should be our candidate – she knows how to take the GOP on and WIN.
Rove and The White House's efforts to keep a back and forth going with Clinton is an attempt to make her look like the de facto leader of the Democratic party; the neocons continue to elevate her, because they know if Obama or Edwards is the nominee, the Republican President has no hope of selling themselves as the change candidate, which could lead to a Presidential/Congressional landslide that buries the GOP in 2008.  The only question is whether Democrats are going to let neoconservatives pick their nomineee, and throw a giant victory out the window just so Hillary Clinton can win with 51%.
Rove dares to call Democrats "effete"?  Compared to whom?  Him? His machismo armchair warrior party?  LOL... Where's Jeff Gannon when ya need him?
Joe Justice / good point joe, hillary is the only dem candidate I couldn't consider voting for, I ain't alone either, clinton represents everything that is wrong with washinton, all she has is the support of the hyper left femminazi man haters whom really have no interest in her policies just the fact she's female, that won't be enough for her to overcome the wrath that the repub's will unleash on her if she gets nominated, the dem party is trying as hard as it can to throw away another election, but it's still early maybe people will start looking at who hillary really is just another morally bankrupt pawn of big business and toss her to the curb before it's too late
###Breaking news### Karl Rove is resigned to being a continual idiot.That's all for now.
Rove needs to get a hobby.  He's past history now.  He had his chance to put someone in the White House and he did a lousy job of it!
Karl Rove responding to a campaign ad as "over the top"?  hahahaha

On the Rush Limbaugh show HAHAHAHA
I'd send money to the Democratic Party if one of the candidates would tell off Rove like the Edwards told off Coulter. Yee ha!
I agree with Lyn.  Rove is doing these things because he thinks that Clinton is the easiest to beat in the general election.  Dem's, beware this sorry piece of trash.  Hillary is an astute campaigner, but Rove is dirty, and as Lyn says, he knows exactly what he's doing and why.  
It's all about Hillary.  Please enough already.  We all know what she's against (everything she can't take credit for) and what she didn't accomplish during her husband's administration.  Please tell me that Americans can't be that gullible.  I'm thinking an Gore/Obama ticket would give the Democrats their best shot at winning.

As for Hillary she is not "in it to win it" she is "in it to spin it".  She will stand for anything that will get her elected.

Remember this.  When her husband was impeached, she knew he was lying.  And as First Lady she kept her mouth shut.  Why?  Because it was politically expedient.

What character or judgement does that show?  Hillary has had her 8 years of "fame".  And America has already paid the price of a Clinton administration.  Surely by now the Democrats must have another worthy candidate without the baggage and the cold-hearted lust for power that Hillary brings to the table.
Republicans are not stupid. They want Hillary. Then they can rally their troops, they can bring up lot of Clintons dirt and piss off independents and some democrats from voting. That gives them enough to win whitehouse. And the democrats will have cry again for another four years if Hillary is on the ticket.
Actually, Hot Dam, I wish Rove was attacking Obama. He's a big wildcard playing himself to Clinton's advantage. This may prove to be the final piece she needs in the nominating race.

And for any Democrats who believe the Republicans are afraid of Clinton, surely you don't think Rove is so stupid as to not realize the gift he is giving her? Whatever else you might think of him - and I'd probably agree with you on most of it - he ain't no political dummy.

But the Clinton campaign is wrong, I believe, if they think it will make her look like the voice of change. Actually I don't think they do see it that way (sorry Mark Murray). It makes her look like she's fighting Bush. Clintons and Bushes fighting doesn't seem like much of a change. It will appeal to Democrats who want to continue the fight with Bush, thus helping her in the primaries.

But it won't appeal to independents, I don't think. And like Rove, Mark Penn is no political dummy either. But I guess he figures he'll worry about that after she gets the nomination.
Rove must have beaten up as a kid...get look at his 70's picture. You are a despicable pile of dung of machiavelian proportions.
mk- I guess Ann Coulter is the hyper right femminazi who hates men?
Joe is right.  Many Democrats are very reluctant to support Hillary because she is so divecive.  We have had enough of that for the past 6+ years to last a life time.  It is time to find a candidate that can unite this country.  And it is little weasels like Karl Rove (and Dick Cheney) who promoted the division of this country.  Unfortunately, Bush did not have the intelligence and moral fiber to reject them.  I have moved from both parties to Independent - both parties are so flawed anymore, I do not want to be associated with either.
The Democrats are lining up so they can be kicked in the teeth by Karl.  It really gives them credentials for their moon-bat lefty supporters who say "If Karl hates someone, and we hate Karl, then that someone  must be the one for us!!".  Loons.  Obama and Edwards are on the phone (or Liz is in John Edwards case) trying to get Karl to notice them.

Karl is setting up Hillary to win the nomination, and then get the absolute snot kicked out of her in the general election.
Pullease!  No Hillary, she is the ultimate of deceit!  Her claws are out in full force and teeth sharpened for ayyone that crosses her path.  Her to run this country, YUK!
Hillary is not my choice of candidate because we simply need a new direction. I do believe the GOP would love to have her run due to her high negative polling number. That said, I hope she and Bill realize that she could be far more effective in trouncing the republicans resoundly if she assumes a supporting role for Edwards or Obama or Gore, or perhaps runs as VP. Also, I was amused by Rove saying the president's most avid critics are "elite effete snobs" - only elite, effete snobs like Karl or Ann C. use such language.
Carrie in Iowa--ok, good nuance catch, but you have to admit that MSNBC and others in the media consistently regurgitate what the Hillary Clinton camp wants them to.  This little blog snippet is of a whole cloth of Hillary is Inevitable BS that Democrats are forced to endure; I hear it all day long on MSNBC, how Hillary is such a survivor and a fighter and she's really making inroads with Democrats, and now how she is the change candidate.  It's not based in fact.  I don't know one true Democrat who has moved from Undecided or another Dem candidate and into the Clinton camp.

Everyone who keeps telling me how Hillary (and Bill) fight the nasty GOP machine and "WIN" conveniently forget the fact that Bill Clinton didn't use his presidency to strengthen Democratic Party ideals or create any substantive policy.  His only contribution was to nominate good Supreme Court Justices.

That's our rub--Hillary keeps saying she can "WIN" and fight back, but what will she do when she wins? What is the value in winning if you don't have any backbone once victorious?

Hillary won't do anything but triangulate and spin her way into the meaningless center.  Her Iraq position will be the template for her Presidency: bland, weak and insincere.  

Democrats must demand a candidate who offers a true clean break, both in style and in substance.  That's not Hillary Clinton.  To call Senator Clinton the candidate of change is like calling George W. Bush a uniter and not a divider--it's a myth.

Democrats deserve better than Hillary Clinton.
Haha...Hillary is the biggest power hungry, manipulative politico to come down the pike (or crawl from a swamp) in a long time.  Wow, pls explain what she has done besides be married to Mr. Cigar Bill?  Oh, yeah, she carpetbagged her way to NY.  Nice NY, way to go.  I'll enjoy watching her implode over the next 18 months.  
But he upside is- the Clinton war chest will be well stocked to buy plenty of ads so as to counter everything and everythinbg these slime-balls can try this time around.  Also- Dems are at least aware of, and refusing to put up with, crap like the swift-boat nonsense.  That, and I think the citizens are finally weaned off the fear teat.  
What's Hillary's accomplishment anyway. During her 8 years in White House as 1st lady, her only effort on healthcare reform was a total failure. Traveling around the world as 1st lady is not Foreign policy or international relationship experience. Winning in a democratic state like NY with a last name of Clinton against an unknown, light weight Rick Lazio can not be termed as "only surviver against right wing attack machine". It's not like she won in Senate in a Republican state defeating an incumbent Republican Senator. On Foreign policy she has been a Bush-Cheney shadow. In legislating, other than a handful bill helping 9-11 victims, I don't see "ANYTHING" she authored or co-authored that have had an impact on people's live. I don't like Rove but I don't see what MSM see. Where Hillary's experience is coming from, doing what, when? Republican attacked Bill, a good administrator with poor moral values, on his sex scandal that was not right wing attack machine's attack on Hillary.
Also this is 21st century. Right wing machine, liberal machine and constant fight between these machines are politics of last century. We need to look at where we agree on things/issues that matters most for American people and make progress. The days of my way or high way has been a total failure. Hillary and her pets in Meida need to learn this ASAP.


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