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Edwards' Fortress investment

Posted: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:51 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Andrew Merten and Carrie Dann
Having made poverty alleviation a central pillar throughout his campaign for the presidency, Edwards has spent plenty of time on the stump decrying the practice of predatory lending. But today’s Wall Street Journal reports that Edwards, who chose New Orleans as the sight to officially announce his campaign and later kick off his three-day poverty tour, has heavy financial ties with subprime-lending units of a large investment group that has brought foreclosure suits to 34 Gulf coast homes.

VIDEO: John Edwards talks about predatory lending after touring a Cleveland neighborhood in July.

Edwards has about $16 million invested in Fortress Investment Group, LLC, and worked for them from late 2005 through 2006, the Journal reports. When contacted by the paper yesterday, he promised to divest himself from any company profiting from the foreclosures. But the news may be damaging to Edwards’ populist campaign, given his strong language against the practice on the campaign trail.

“This is wrong, this is not complicated; it’s wrong,” Edwards said during a visit to Cleveland, adding: “These people are being taken advantage of; they’ve been working all their lives, and what’s happened is that the very thing they worked for, their homes -- and those children we just passed back there -- are going to be kicked out of their homes, all because these predators have come into this neighborhood and taken advantage of them.”
 
He went on to call for legislative intervention against the practice, saying he will push for an aggressive federal anti-predatory-lending law as president.

Edwards told the Journal “that when he first joined Fortress, ‘I made clear that I didn't want to have anything I was investing in to be antilabor or involved in predatory lending practices.’ But he added that he didn't fully understand the firm's complex operations, saying: ‘They're diverse. They're very diverse.’”

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The word Hypocrit comes to mind.
I can't believe those jerkwad mortgage brokers and lenders are holding guns to people's heads and forcing them to sign loan papers with terms unfavorable to the borrowers.  Oh wait . . . I forgot . . . that doesn't happen.
Mitt Romney makes money off of Porn.

And he doesn't even try to divest that cash!!!

But you don't want to report about that, do you?

You guys are so ridiculous.  

I WANT A REPORT ON MITT ROMNEY'S MULTI MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  WHERE IS IT?
it will be OK so long as he uses all of his profits to buy carbon credits ;-)
Oh, Johnny is a slick one.  He will divest himself from any company profiting from foreclosures.  Well, even though it can happen, it is rare for a company to profit from a foreclosure, even less so with a sub-prime mortgage.

I'd be more interested in how much money slick Johnny stands to lose from investing in the sub-prime market.  And if he can divest himself, I'd be very interested in what entity or entities buy his stake.

But maybe since he might not actually profit from foreclosures he can retain his investment with a clear conscience.

Maybe there really are two Americas.
This makes him the prefect Socialist. Create the conditions to create victims so he can sell the victims on the ideaR that they need him.
I like John Edwards a lot; I'd say he is very close to being my number one choice.  But if you ask me, when you invest $16 million with a company, you probably know what that company is about.  Edwards is very wealthy, but he is not so wealthy that $16 million is not a significant chunk of change.  

Even if he didn't know, though, it still worries me because he SHOULD have known.  Is he going to be that capricious with American dollars or, worse still, American lives?  I would really hate to think that, because for the most part I love his message and I think he would be a great president.  But if he can't properly monitor his own investment to make sure that he is not getting into something he doesn't want to, it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that he would be able to do it for America.  
Sometimes it is a matter of seeing the forest through the trees.  

John Edwards worked for this company to get a better understanding of the financial industry to, you know, help him when he is president.  It doesn't mean that he automatically approves of everything they do and it doesn't mean that he would try and change things about the company if/when he can.

But it does paint a pretty picture for some people doesn't it?  Guy with big house, nice hair, worked for a year at an investment group....how dare he speak about poverty, because God knows that you can't be sympathitic to a cause unless you are that cause.  Someone should tell that to the millions of white people that help with civil rights or the millions of straight people that are fighting for gay rights.
Well, it's nice to see that the MSM has gotten the first hit peice out in response to the ONE vote Iowa poll.

1) The rich can be for poor people without any hypocrisy.  Just because someone is very wealthy doesn't make them a robber baron.  This entire meme that Edwards is a hypocrit because he advocates for the poor while not being broke himself is just rediculous.

2) The entire point of investment funds like Fortress is that they invest in many different things to maximize potential growth while minimizing potential loss.  Do you know every stock that is held by your investment funds?  That Fortress is invested in some things Edwards personally advocates against does NOT equate to Edwards secretly liking those things. What it equates to is a fund manager taking a financial position that looked good on paper but didn't take into account the human costs.  He didn't consult Edwards when he made those moves and I'm certain if he had Edwars would have told him that that move would loose him as a client.

He's divesting himself of the fund (which will probably hurt is long term financial standing) and moving on to the important issues. So should everyone else.

PS> Anyone care to remember that the Bush clan is heavily invested with Bin Laden Construction and the Carlyle Group?  Doing business with the enemy might be construed in the same light if the media wasn't so "fair and balanced".
As an Obama voter, I wonder if Edwards will be as scrutinized as Obama. Somehow, I rather doubt it because it seems that Clinton and Edwards will have to commit a clearly identifiable felony before anyone truly criticizes. So much for the political and realistic double standard.
Another pathetic attempt to mischarcterize a candidate for something they have no control over. What a joke.
I'll have no further comments for awile. I'am going on vacation with the Iraqi Parlement for a month or two. Please hold my mail, and take a message. If it's "urgent" it will just have to wait. I'll bring everyone back a nice souvinier.
Is there a double standard here ?
Does First Read look into any of the other candidates investments ?

Does it ever do any investigations of Hillary's investments ?
I understand she had an investment at a place called Whitewater. Where's she invested, now ?

God forbid the media should look into Rudi's or Mitt's (see above) or even Freddy's investments.
How about Boy George's investment in a baseball team ?
Where'd he get the money to buy that team ?

It's called 'business as usual' (media hypocracy?)
Johny, a poor guy, gets himself into trouble by this late found love for the poor people. His actions contradict him message. Always had to correct himself. $400 hiarcut from people's money, hedge funds investor and adviser before he was against hedgefunds, against lobbyist and PACs but scored lot of money from Murdoch, for labour before he opposed right to work.

I think Johny is done.
Carrie:  He wasn't just an investor, either.  He worked for them and promoted them.  Actually, I have no real problem with that. In my view there is nothing wrong with making money or being rich.  But John "Two Americas" Edwards is trying have his cake and eat it, too.  And he looks like a holier-than-though hypocrite.

I will just be interested to see if Democrats will make as much political hay out of it as they do when applying a similar circumstance to Republicans.

Sounds like a good time for the Hillary machine to take this guy apart.  It's also a good time for Obama to attack both Edwards and Hillary who are both wealthier than he is.
Does anyone think he would have promised to divest himself from any company profiting from the foreclosures if this story didn't get out?  He had plenty of time to disolve any relationship with Fortress but he didn't and he still hasn't.  This is not the kind of person we want running America.  The kind that says one thing and does another.  He should be ashamed of himself but I think he's too greedy to care.  The right thing to do would be to drop out of the race.  
Fortune just lost a client. A 16 million dollar client too.
Look for more hit pieces by the Wall Street Journal -owned by Rupert Murdoch who's sponsoring fundraisers for Hillary and funding her campaign.

Support Fox News - vote Hillary/Murdoch08
The country wants change. Hey, remember that oldies but goodies Aretha Franklin song?

CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE - CHANGE OF FOOLS.

Change.

Man, how often are we going to hear this word until next November.

Isn't everybody running on this catch phrase? Has there ever been a candidate who didn't run on change?

Just askin'.
Carrie - during discussions about employment, Edwards told Fortress he wasn't interested in working for a  company engaged in anti-union activities and predatory lending.
Fortress assured him they weren't.
Last spring he learned some Katrina victims may be facing possible foreclosure - and he URGED Fortress to prevent it.
Now he's learned the problem is continuing - and he's taking personal responsibility for it.  Hopefully, other candidates will review their investments.

Chelsea Clinton works for a hedge fund.
Carrie:
No clear thinking American could possibly believe the drivel and "do as I say, not as I do" rhetoric coming from that multimillion dollar candidate pretending to understand the poor, when, in practice, his money and investments speak otherwise.

It's O.K to be rich, it's just hypocritical to try to act/speak/pretend you are not. Unfortunately, Edwards is in good company: Ted Kennedy, John Kerry,; At least Bill and Hiliary have the good sense not to pretend about their wealth. It's the only thing they ARE honest about.
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   Look at all the repubs chastising John Edwards. You bunch of nypocrits have the gall to call out Edwards? I thought you repubs beleived in the american dream. Oh you beleve in the american dream as long as the wealthy become republicans. If someone gets wealthy and is a democrat, that is not the american dream for these repubs. That is why john Edwards scares republicans. Carrie, when you invest your 401K money, do you know every company that is part of a class of funds? No, you put the money in and an account manager distributes to various funds. Inside each of these funds are various companies. The better portfolio's are very diverse and I guarantee that you can not name every company your 401K dollars are going to. So cut him so slack, it is just an investment. Investments either make you money or lose it. That is part of the game. I can not beleive the repub hypocrits are so scared of a someone acheiving the american dream.  Most repubs have their money handed down to them or what people call OLD MONEY. John Edwards started poor and acheived his wealth. He is what they call NEW MONEY. I am thankful he has retained his roots and stayed democrat. I hope some day to have 1/16 of Edwards investment. More power to him
i 'Ll PuT mY $ oN CHel SEA. hillaryclinton.com
"As an Obama voter, I wonder if Edwards will be as scrutinized as Obama. Somehow, I rather doubt it because it seems that Clinton and Edwards will have to commit a clearly identifiable felony before anyone truly criticizes. So much for the political and realistic double standard.

B. Moody, San Antonio, Texas"

I've been trying to find those hard-hitting, negative articles on Obama that you allude to, where are they as we should all be able to protest this injustice.

As to Edwards and Clinton, you are so right. It is IMPOSSIBLE to find a single negative thing written about them anywhere...lol

Van
"Chelsea Clinton works for a hedge fund."
Mark, Atlanta, GA

Fred Flintstone works in a quarry, for Mr. Slate
The Keebler elves work in a hollow tree.

Now we have THREE irrelevant comments on places where people work.


Van

So, if these people haven't paid their mortgages, why shouldn't they be foreclosed?
first read should report all the candidates investment portfolio's or no ones, another blantant attempt by the media to smear edwards, I dare say edwards investments are cleaner than most of the other candidtes, prove me wrong
Sierra - You know there's a double-standard. Being rich and progressive is inherently hypocritical per the traditional press. They've been gunning for Edwards for some time. If you want to read about how the political press can target a candidate, check out http://mediamatters.org/items/200707210002. Meanwhile, our President is pulling a bait and switch with the "Petraeus Report," and the press yawns.
Jenny in Des Moines - the point is that on one hand Edwards derides the institutions for their predator practices, but on the other hand he has collected huge profits from investing in those same insitutions.

How do you square all this and yet continue to support him?

Edwards can speak about poverty all he wants.  It doesn't change the fact that he continues to support the same corporations he claims are causing the poverty.
Aug. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Democrats are collecting more than two-thirds of the campaign donations from employees of the biggest hedge funds and buyout firms, as the party taps into one of Wall Street's fastest-growing sources of wealth.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=abPcaWGJlFwo
So Romney has money invested in a Chinese company that does business with Iran AND have stock in a pharm. co. that conducts research on stem cells...per msnbc.

Let's see: we have two apparent cases of hypocrisy. Which one will get the air-time? hyper-analysis? and damning narrative? That's a rhetorical question.
People don't take responsibility for their actions. Anyone who gets forcelosed on because they took out a mortgage they couldn't afford gets what they get because they weren't smart enough to know the difference between fixed and adjustable rates. All they saw was the lower rate and jumped at the chance to live beyond their true means. Predatory lending? All lending is designed to make money or it would never happen. The irony is that sub-prime lenders who do not examine a customer's credit properly will lose money and thus have to be bailed out by the Federal Reserve. No oe wins here. The only way to resolve this economic problem is for people to educate themselves and not make rash decisions about their living situation, or assume the market will allow them to sell the house at a profit. If they can't afford to stay in the house at the adjustable rate they never should have bought it in the first place. They were greedy to so don't automatically blame the lender. The only candidate that will eliminate the Federal Reserve (private bank that owns this country) from their monetary cartel is Ron Paul. I know you're mostly Democrats here, but we need a president that is not only honest, but knows something about economics and why the financial crisis is happening, before the fit hits the shan. Oh, and he'll end the war and cut government spending.

I don't think Edwards was malicious towards anyone, but he had to know people would investigate his holdings. To have these holdings and run for president is not very smart.
Timing matters. Most of the objectionable Fortress practices occurred after Edwards had ended his consultant work with them. I admire him for standing up to Fortress when he learned of their discussions on foreclosures. I admire him for moving his personal investments when Fortress made the decision to go ahead with their foreclosures on Katrina victims.

Another point that has been under-reported is the fact that Edwards returned to Fortress after making the decision to include raising taxes on Hedge funds and closing tax loop holes as major issues of his campaign. He had the guts to go there and tell the executives of his decision to their face. He explained his reasoning to them, and then went public with his new tax plans. Edwards is the most honorable person in politics today.
Mark, Atlanta, GA / "Chelsea Clinton works for a hedge fund." that's different, the media can only talk about edwards finances
It's hypocricy to invest in a broadly-based fund that you later find out is involved in predatory lending then pull your money, probably at personal cost, if you publicly state that you have concern for those in need.  It's OK to quietly profit off the desperate for your entire life as long as you don't care about the poor.  Nice sense of priorities.  Edwards is someone who profited nicely off his labors and has chosen not to turn his back on those less fortunate.  That's enough for me.
if you take a good look at who is opposing edwards the most, the wall street journal, corporate america in general, the wealthy elite, insurance companies, pharmasuitical companies, msn, so on, those are the exact same people and entities backing hillary and most of the republican candidates, anyone care to argue on this point, probably not, it's a fact
Mark - Chelsea Clinton is not running for office, is she?  Are candidates now to be responsible for the careers chosen by their children?  What's next - candidates will be responsible for whether their adult offspring drives a Ford or a Honda?  Hm, maybe we should hold Bush responsible for Barbara and Jenna's underage drinking arrests then.  

For the record, my criticism of Edwards was not so much that he was involved with Fortress, as it is a legal company conducting legal business, but that he is claiming to not have awareness of what the company he invested $16 million in was doing.  To me, that is irresponsible.  I understand that companies like this are very diverse, but I know if it was my money, I would be having some very smart financial people go through the company with a fine-tooth comb - ESPECIALLY if I was running for public office, knowing that things like this are likely to get exposed eventually.  The point is that it does not give me a lot of confidence in Edwards that he can't even manage his own finances without getting involved in something that directly contradicts his message.  

That being said, I still like Edwards an awful lot and I am glad that he is divesting.  
Subba / pretty lame subba, how wealthy are the other candidates? what do the other candidates have tucked away in they're financial portfolios? the money from murdoch was for a book deal and has nothing to do with pac or lobbyist money, how much do the other candidates pay for they're hair maintenance? do you want compare apples to apples or mindlessly bitch like the press? I didn't think so, have great weekend
John Doe. So are the Democrats,or did you forget,[Arab Star March 12,2006],that algores Riyadh speech was funded by the ''bin Laden Group''? Further,we find that Democrats Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosis [Dianne Feinstein gets loot from them as well],biggest California-based campaign contributors [Center for Responsive Politics at www.opensecrets.org],is BECHTEL,whose chief investors include ''The bin Laden Group''. [CARLYLE,of course,was founded by former Carter administration officials,where the biggest arms dealer to the Saudis was one George Soros,and whose officers include both Democrats as well as Republicans].
  Give it a rest John. Your guys are up to their eyeballs in these concerns and with Republicans,are merely two horns on the same goat. Then too,it is not a Romney or Guliani who is putting on the St.Jude schtick. It is Edwards,who like the enviro-zealot algore, or ''family values'' Republicans,ends up paying the most for this hypocrisy.
I feel your pain, i know what it is like to be poor,"as i move in to steal your home"
Lesson be learned - don't trust your accountant or your stock broker - they are a lot more dishonest than your attorney.

It is very possible to be wealthy and 1. remember what it was like to grow up poor. 2.  still care about the poor people even though you are no longer poor.
That is what separates the Dems from the R's.  The R's could give a rats behind about the poor as long as they arrive with mop bucket in hand to clean up their mess.  The Dems usually remember what it feels like to be the ones carrying the bucket.  Think I'll stick with the Dems and John Edwards.
And please MSNBC/CNN/ABC if you are gonna report Edward's fiances please include Obama, Clinton, F. Thompson, McCain, Rudy & Mit in the crowd.  We deserve to know the whole truth and nothing but.  Otherwise we may as well be communicating with and watching fox in the hen house news.
I think this "revelation" will mainly influence the Bush-voting fools of America and on this thread. How much of a mistake would it take for one of these jokers to decide against voting for Edwards? We passed that point long ago with the haircut. Yet these same inbred morons have put up with worse from Bush and Cheney on more or less a weekly basis, but are very content to snooze right through it. But this election is not about what the morons of America think. They had their chance and put Bush on the throne. This election belongs to America's non-morons. We will decide who deserves to lead this country, and I can guarantee you, [the morons], that we are more capable of deciding when a candidate has lied or crossed the line than you were with your Bush. That's why you are morons and we are not. If you were really worried when someone in power was engaged in projects that hurt the people, you would be outraged with the Bush gang and would have been since long ago. The smarter ex-Bushies have seen him for what he is, and I'll wager it will take more than a bit of tenth-rate swiftboating to charm them into being fooled again, even when the swiftboating is performed by one or more of our trusted news services.
In 2006 Fortress Investments paid John Edwards $479,000 (that's 1,225 haircuts) for part-time work as a consultant- this apparently while he was learning something he could use as president when his salary drops to $400,000 for a full time job.

Fortress Investment's latest forays into the world of acquisition are casinos and horse racing.

Slick Johnny is working hard to back up his claim that there are two Americas.  His and the rest of ours.  And some of you are falling all over yourselves to rationalize this well-coiffed snake-oil salesman.  The strain on his psyche must also be great as he tries to live like a Republican and pass himself off as a higher life form.

All he's going to do is pro-rate the portion of Fortress that involves sub-prime lending, and maybe the casinos and horse racing ventures, sell it to a partner and say when he's president he will propose legislation that will provide a billion or two to prevent some private homeowners from losing their houses (where have I heard that before?).

Richard, Palatka, FL:  The investment firm can't prevent default and foreclosure.  That happens when the homeowner doesn't pay the money that wasn't theirs in the first place.  Fortress just loses money.

When John Edwards writes these people a personal check, then he will be taking personal responsibility for it.  Until then, he's just slick Johnny to me.
We live in a capatilist society. It is ok to make money. At least Mr. Edwards earned his money as a plaintiffs attorney. Other than take advantage of her husbands power in Arkansas to work for wallmart(now the great satan)There is nothing wrong with making money. I believe that the President should have experience in business. Not only the business of polotics. (Mr. Obama)oh yeh He wrote a book about being a politician. Although charging $50000.00 to give a speech about poverty is going a little far!!!
Isn't it weird that if you are successful, and you've made a few bucks, you can't be a good Democrat?
he is only a bluf again  he should be looking after his wife sickness instead of been a ridicoules germagain
obama need to be investigated about all the money he gets for his campaing with the3 arabic name that he have which arab group is giving him themoney his middle name sahdam  he also said in one of his speeches that if he gets to be president the first thing he will do is to visit irak to talk to all the people there why he have to paid the arabs for all the money he was given  need investigation to this matter
It's great that the media bring to light these sensational stories meant to shock the electorate.I'd like to see more improvement there and move beyond the shock effects or discovery and see indepth Watergate type investigational public reporting of all presidential candidates,their finances and other undisclosed connections.It would even be constructive and helpful to view the candidates responses (motivations) to these discoveries on prime time Television interviews?.
We have waited 200 years for a woman so you know who I am voting for.  Every mother, daughter and sister ought to think long and hard about this.  We have sat in the back seat too long.


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