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Oh-eight (D): Rove's reverse psych

Posted: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:04 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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So is Karl Rove using reverse psychology on Democrats regarding Clinton v. Obama? The Los Angeles Times' Wallsten lays out the case that Rove may be attacking Clinton as a way to get Democrats to rally around her because secretly the GOP fears Obama. Wallsten notes that the Bush campaign -- in 2004 -- did a similar thing. "With his Southern base, charismatic style and populist message, Edwards, they believed, could be a real threat to Bush's reelection. But instead of attacking Edwards, Rove's team opened fire at Kerry. Their thinking went like this, Dowd explained: Democrats, in a knee-jerk reaction to GOP attacks, would rally around Kerry, whom Rove considered a comparatively weak opponent, and make him the party's nominee. Thus Bush would be spared from confronting Edwards, the candidate Republican strategists actually feared most."

VIDEO: NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports Karl Rove may be leaving the White House, but he is not letting up on his criticism of the Democrats, especially front-runner Hillary Clinton.

"Is Rove playing a similar game against Clinton? Is he trying to stampede Democrats into nominating her, having concluded that Obama, Edwards or someone else would pose a stiffer challenge to the Republican nominee?"

The California Nurses Association is running three TV ads in Iowa advocating a single-payer health-care system. The ad campaign began Sunday, coinciding with ABC's Iowa debate. Created by North Woods Advertising, the ads have three different endings individually targeting Clinton, Obama and Edwards.

Speaking of Iowa, the "Cast your Kernel" poll at the Iowa State Fair conducted by our NBC Des Moines affiliate, WHO-TV, is over and the winners are: Clinton for the Dems and Romney for the GOP. Edwards finished second, Obama third. Huckabee was second on the GOP side, inching ahead of Giuliani after his straw poll surge.

BIDEN: The Boston Globe: “Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden aired his first campaign advertisement Sunday, casting himself as the only candidate with a viable strategy for a sustainable peace in Iraq.”

KUCINICH: The candidate met with the Boston’s Globe’s editorial board and on Saturday, and the paper wrote Kucinich believes “his support will build as voters realize that he reflects many of their views on policies that matter to their lives.”

OBAMA: Given the announcement by the Obama campaign that it will be cutting back on the number of Democratic forums he attends and that he accept invitations only to DNC-sponsored debates, many in yesterday’s spin room after the debate were asked to comment. Obama adviser David Axelrod explained, “It’s just disastrous to keep doing more and more and more of these things, kind of turning the entire Democratic field into a traveling Vaudeville show, rather than spending time and really sitting down with people.” He continued, “It takes, literally days out of your schedule that you could spend campaigning around the country, meeting with voters, and so you want to strike a balance. We want to do these debates,” adding, “They’re a great forum for us, but they can’t consume the campaign.”

Others, though, stressed the importance of the campaigns for candidates in the lower-tier.  Richardson spoke with NBC News, saying that although many people nationwide may not be paying too close of attention before Labor Day, “Debates are important. We ought to do all debates. The American people deserve to see their candidates, especially the candidates that don’t have the money that all the other candidates have for paid media.” 
 
Elizabeth Edwards also weighed in. She decried the time limits that are often placed on candidates during 60- to 90-minute forums, but said that if another format is not feasible, then “maybe, in fact, we do need this.”

Sunday’s Boston Globe took a look inside Camp Obama, a nationwide volunteer training program. “The intensive, two-day workshop was more boot camp than summer camp: The hours were long, the expectations were high, and participants received little more than Einstein's coffee, caramel cream can dies, and a hearty thank you.”

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Sonya,, who will you vote for if Hillary(democrat) gets the nomination? Guliani, or Thompson or Romney perhaps? Now that makes no sense at all. Hilllary is on the left side of moderate. Shes playing politics now, like politicians do before an election. And, there are more democrats in the US by the way, increases with independents, who can go either way. She is ahead of most republicans in polls,in blue states as well as some red ones at this point.
I saw that loathsome pig being interviewed yesterday. He was going after Democrats for having no plan to pull the country together and work with Repubs in the legislature. He forgot to mention that dividing the country had been an important part of his plan to make Democrats irrelevant. He seems to be assuming that lots of voters will swallow his crazy BS and do what he wants. It's not like that prissy little elf didn't do enough to destroy this country when he was running a low profile. He should be too purple with embarrassment at the sloppy job he helped to create to want to be in the news. It's hard to figure out such a social psychopath. He really should go to prison where he could improve his love life.
Karl Rove is hot!
Or maybe he is using that math he used in the 06 elections when he said the repubs were sure to win.Luck is all he had on his side ,look back at 72 election and the dirty tricks team he was on.Nixon had the election in hand but they were paronoid about everything and ended up getting nixon kicked out.Almost like Bush who will rank next to nixon as one of the most dishonest presidents of all times,Nixon remember lied about invading cambodia,Bush lies about invading Iraq both will be remembered for letting us all down.
This just goes to show how desperate Rove and the rest of his ilk are in the wake of a Hillary Presidency.  Go Hillary!!!!!
Hillary Clinton will unite the Republicans and divide the Democrats !!
Hillary will lose us the independents !!
Hillary will lose the left !!
Hillary won't lose her high negative ratings !!
Hillary has 15 years of dishonesty and scandal in her history !!
Hillary campaigns like George Bush !!
Hillary will (mis)govern like George Bush !!
Hillary is mean, vindictive and unlovable !!
(sounds like KArl Rove)

Move ON, TURN THE PAGE
19 years of Bush/Clinton/Bush SCANDAL AND CORRUPTION is ENOUGH !!

Hillary Clinton, 15 years of dishonesty, scandal and polarization !!
Is this the same Karl Rove that predicted a Republican victory in 2006. The guy is up to his usual dirty tricks, their plan, get rove on all the talk shows to swift boat Mrs Clinton before she wins the nomination than she is damage goods going into the general election. Their plan is not goin to work this time because the country has seen how bad the guy he got elected twice is and the Republicans espescially Mr. Rove has lost credibility with the public. Mr. Rove got Bush elected twice but Bush could not govern due to their campaign of division. I rather have a one term successful presidency than to have two terms fail presidency
Karl would have made the case that advice hitler was recieving should be kept out of public because how can a person give advice if people will find out ,maybe if more people had known about the wannsee conference that took place in 42 the german people might have stood up to the party, one could only hope that what the germans said about not knowing what was going on was true,and given the chance to hear the advice given  might have rejected it,much like the energy commision or the neocons or roves advice to the president, they work for the people not on the people
well, Joe Bob, maybe it was written by the wrong lobbyist.  The right lobbyist hasn't come along to give her money yet so she can back that lobbyist plan for health care.

Judging from all the lists of people that have dumped money on Hillary, this truly will be a race to see who can buy the White house better then the other.
Judging by these post, they're are people who will beleive anything Karl Rove says.  Like what he says matters. Please.  He single handedly destroyed the republican party.  

Cheryl, please.  I hope you do vote republican.  We democrats prefer intelligent people.

Jerry,  I may not agree with your politics, but I wish you well dealing with the hurricane.  Hope you and your family are safe.  

More and more I'm convinced Hillary will be our next president.  If you noticed, she didn't get dragged into this Karl Rove crap.  She takes it in and just quietly goes out and destroys Republican challengers.  Who's next Mitt or Rudy?

Any Dem in 08'
Sonya will you please move to the far right ....yep thats it ..a little farther ...ok say hello to RALPH NADER for me ,bush seemed better to him so he helped put him in if he was interested in america he would be the head of the EPA or the Trade commision instead he is nothing but a talking head filled with ego SUPPORT YOUR DEMOCRAT FOR PRESIDENT
Well, one thing is for sure.
Karl Rove is the main reason I am voting for Hillary next year.
the last time I heard "BRING EM ON "george and Karl were asking the insurgents to kick our ass,and what happened next was history ,georges story.
Rove is an unindicted co-conspirator in a leak that could have cost a CIA agent her life; he was involved in political skull dudgery at the Justice department.  He hides behind executive privilege to avoid jail time.  Sometimes just being considered a master strategist because you were able to steal one election and beat a weak and poorly run campaign does not an expert make.  

Hillary should start talking about Bush-Cheney-Rove and calling for his indictment on corruption charges.  If he is the brain and the architect of this administration, then he should be the face too.  
Jerry, want to share with us what genius Republican has a health care plan to insure the millions of Americans without it?  Care to share with us what the Bush administration has done (that worked) to help insure Americans?

Are you TRULY going to blast Clinton for the money she has taken with a straight face?  Where do your Republican bootlickers get their campaign funds?  Manna from heaven?  Give me a break.
Carrie, based on what I've seen and heard, the Republican dislike for Hillary Clinton goes way beyond what Dems think of Bush and even beyond what Republicans think of Bill Clinton.

When all is said and done, modern presidential elections come down to two factors - 1) which party's membership is more energized and 2) which way do independents break.

Right now the Democrats have the edge in energy, but that will change if Clinton is nominated.

Regarding independents, Democrats also have the edge, but independents look for trustworthiness more so than hard-core members of either party. They usually see that in mavericks, who party members hate (the idea that someone who bucks the party for own conscience, thus establishing some independence, like them, is more trustworthy). Trust isn't a Clinton strongsuit. Whether fairly or unfairly, that perception is there. And I have no doubts that Republicans would play on it, and keep reminding voters of that perception.
sierra either has smoked wayy to much pot over the years and has burned out her brain or shes really jerry.
Nominating Hillary as the Democratic candidate insures a land slide victory for the Republicans next fall.  Every person that has even thought about voting Republican will show up at the polls to make sure this woman does not win.  Also she would be an absolute disaster as President because this country is not ready for total socialism.
Mr. Rove is free now to be able to run his republican smear campaign against the democrats.  We have all lived the past seven years with the devastating effects Karl Rove and the Bush administration has wrought on all of America…and he (Rove) is just starting to gear up, whatever he has plotted, to manipulate as many minds of the American people that he can.  It is apparent that a smear campaign is the only type of campaign that he seems to know how to conduct…obviously he hasn’t felt the republicans can win on their own merits, intelligence, or good judgment.  That we know to be a fact or George Bush would not have been elected, twice.  Some people, who would have called Rove a strategist, probably have a lot of other names they would prefer to call him at this point in time, and I am not so sure that he will have as great a success as he has had in the past.  I would hope to have faith in the fact that most Americans have finally figured out what an unscrupulous, immoral, fabricator, this individual is.  Mr. Rove is definitely not done doing what it is he does best, pounding that wedge into the heart of America.  Call me a dreamer, but with any luck at all and by waking from the nightmare of the last two disastrous elections, maybe Americans will finally wake up and vote for the candidate they feel is the best for our country, and not because some so-called strategist has maliciously tried to stack the cards against him/her.    
democrats are too stupid to win in the election.
if hillary wins we all will have to mexico.
Oh, stop with the myth-making! He's a smart little punk who was lucky (?) enough to get in with the sort of people who were capable of carrying out the sick, perverted, vicious, foul and criminal acts that his twisted brain was so good at coming up with. Let's sing him a hymn, and say "good-by" -
yeschrisrightdemocratstoostupidwewillallhavetoMexico
randi,
given the loss of individual rights as done by the current administration, are you ready to live in a dictatorship? hillary is not my first choice, but at this point, there are others (including some repubs) that I would consider before her.
If John Edwards had been the Democratic Party presidential nominee in 2004 this would be an entirely different nation today.  He should have had the nomination and maybe, just maybe, taken John Kerry along as his vice president.  Come on, folks, let's get behind John Edwards this time!!!
If John Edwards had been the Democratic Party presidential nominee in 2004 this would be an entirely different nation today.  He should have had the nomination and maybe, just maybe, taken John Kerry along as his vice president.  Come on, folks, let's get behind John Edwards this time!!!
When is Mr. Rove going to announce he is running for the White house ????  I would vote for him any time, because he  is a leader and sets these clowns on their a@@es all the time!!!!

Mr.Rove take the challenge!!!
If Karl Rove is attacking Hillary in an attempt to get Dems to rally around her, it's not for the '08 election.

I think he's smart enough to know she would win anyway, especially with such weak Republican candidates.  My expectation is Rove is thinking down the road.

The Democratic candidate will win and will define the image of the party.  Rove is a history buff and I bet he's expecting that the Democratic President will also shape the direction of the party given the political environment and situation of the Dems.

If Rove is attacking Hillary to hurt the Dems, it's because Hillary setting the direction of the party is easier for the Republican to deal with in the future.  

If Obama sets the direction and image of the party, the Republicans are in a much worse situation down the road, like in '16 when the party has be defined and represented in a candidate that can be a counter to the Democratic party image that Obama has formed.
The talk here reminds me of this discussion from July on Fox News Sunday about Hillary's use of Bill so early, and Hillary's effect on the Republican base:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2qlK7RQbW4
I think Mr.Rove should throw in his hat, there no one who can stand toe to toe with him!
I am a South African, who usually supports the Dems, and as much as I believe that the Bush Presidency is a failed one, I have to give Karl Rove credit for getting his man two terms. I believe that Hillary has a good chance of winning the White House, she would probably do more harm to the Democratic party in congressional races as leader of your party. Your party needs to be building on the progress made from the last elections, with Hillary you will be giving the Republicans hope of reversing the gains made from 06.
Don't get me wrong I have a lot of respect for the Clinton's, and see Bill Clinton as one the greatest presidents in American history, but you might create the reverse of what George Bush is to the Democratic party on the Republican side.
Objectively
Craig
randi,
given the loss of individual rights as done by the current administration, are you ready to live in a dictatorship?


What individual rights have been lost?  And, who is the dictator?  Be be specific and sight detailed examples.


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