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Oh-eight (R): Tepid reviews for Fred

Posted: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:08 AM by Domenico Montanaro

We got an interesting reminder in our email inbox this weekend from the West Virginia GOP, which reminded the GOP presidential campaigns that they have to register for their unique internet Feb. 5 primary by Sept. 1. There are quite a few states whose deadlines are coming up in a hurry. In particular, Fred Thompson will have to gear up immediately to get ready for many of these deadlines. Is his team ready?

GIULIANI: Watching the former New York mayor handle questions about his personal life, one can't help but notice his response is very similar to the one George W. Bush pushed when he was constantly asked about his past indiscretions. Bush would acknowledge it without adding fuel to the fire with his "when I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible." Giuliani does a similar deflection with his past but acknowledging he made mistakes but also indicating he won't talk about it. "I’ll talk about it appropriately and in a way to preserve as much as I can the privacy of my family and my children, which I think any decent person would,” he told reporters at a stop at a diner here on Friday.

The New York Times’ Nagourney looks at how a city slicker like Giuliani plays in Iowa. "He seems a lot more attuned to the rhythms and culture of Iowa than he did a few months ago."

This phenomenon that is Sean Hannity is getting a bit ridiculous. Now this "news man" is appearing at Giuliani fundraisers? The line was erased a long time ago, but is Hannity flying a bit too close to the sun? Limbaugh seemed to know where the line was between commentator and political activist. Hannity doesn't.

HUCKABEE: Huckabee's really made it now: he's getting the positive David Broder treatment.

ROMNEY: The Boston Globe notes the Wally Beaver-esque nature of Mitt Romney. "Romney often sounds as if he has stepped out of a time machine from 1950s suburban America, golly-ing and gosh-ing his way across the nation, letting out the occasional ‘Holy cow!’ after something really shocks him."

THOMPSON: Lost this week amid other news was the lackluster trip to Iowa made by the candidate-in-waiting. Notes GOP analyst Jennifer Rubin on the American Spectator's campaign blog: “It was a cringe inducing day for Thompson in the MSM and blogosphere coverage. There was Carl Cameron picking up on the Gucci loafers and the golf cart ride through the Iowa fair. Politico picked up on the lukewarm reception and the crowd's disappointment that more substance wasn't offered. MSM coverage echoed the same. He then gave a remarkably muddled interview with John King, leading to guffaws at Campaign Spot and confusion about what he meant with this response to a question on abortion and gay marriage.”

Said Thompson: "I think with regard to gay marriage you have a [inaudible] issue. I don't think one state ought to be able to pass a law requiring gay marriage or allowing gay marriage and have another state be required to follow along under full faith and credit. There’s some exceptions, exemptions for that. Hasn’t happened yet, but I think a federal court very well likely will go in that direction. And the constitutional amendment would cure that. I think Roe versus Wade was a bad decision. There were things that are bad law and bad medicine. You don't just get up one day and overturn the entire history of the country with regard major social policies without any action by Congress, without any action by the American people or a constitutional amendment. And that's what happened. Shouldn’t have happened. It ought to be reversed."

“If you don't have the foggiest what that's all about neither did CNN. This caused him to offer this clarification picked up at NRO:

"In an interview with CNN today, former Senator Fred Thompson’s position on constitutional amendments concerning gay marriage was unclear. Thompson believes that states should be able to adopt their own laws on marriage consistent with the views of their citizens. He does not believe that one state should be able to impose its marriage laws on other states, or that activist judges should construe the constitution to require that. If necessary, he would support a constitutional amendment prohibiting states from imposing their laws on marriage on other states. Fred Thompson does not support a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage."

The AP’s Fournier interviewed Thompson, who defended his time as a lobbyist, saying, “Don't confuse the lawyer with the client." Also: "’I have no apologies to make about it,’ he said of a 20-year lobbying career that earned him at least a $1 million.” And: “It has nothing to do with one's political views. Lawyering is a profession and it's also a business." Then this about working for an abortion-rights group: “I clearly did some work. I proceeded after that to go to the United States Senate and oppose them on every matter that came up.”

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I'm surprised the New York Times didn't attriibute Giuliani's being 'Attuned to the Rythm of Iowa', to his finally learning how to milk a Pig.  The Times obviously thinks we're an easy sell.
He wants to overturn Roe V Wade! This guy is just as dangerous as Bush.
".....Fred Thompson will have to gear up immediately to get ready for many of these deadlines. Is his team ready?....."
A) How would anyone know the difference, because...
B) Who really cares?

".....Giuliani does a similar deflection with his past but acknowledging he made mistakes but also indicating he won't talk about it. "I’ll talk about it appropriately and in a way to preserve as much as I can the privacy of my family and my children, which I think any decent person would,” he told reporters at a stop at a diner here on Friday....."

I'm surprised he didn't break out into a chorus of "Just a Gigolo, and everywhere I go, people know the part I'm playin'"
Because he's,
RAPPIN' RUDY 'G,' THE GIGOLO OF THE G.O.P.!!!

"...HUCKABEE: Huckabee's really made it now: he's getting the positive David Broder treatment..."

"Huckabee," hmmm...
Wasn't he the guy who used to spin dishes on bamboo poles, on the old "Ed Sullivan Show?"






Hannity has never had any objectivity or fairness, it's about time someone called him on it.  Thompson needs some extra attention as well.  He's trying to pretend he's a Washington outsider which just doesn't square with his history as a Senator, lobbyist, trial lawyer, and Nixon's mole on the Watergate committee.
The "[inaudible]" in Thompson's interview is clearly audible and is "full faith and credit".  If you listened to the question, Fred was dealing with two questions at once--one on his position on gay marriage and the other on whether or not he would work to overturn Roe v Wade.  The only item unclear in the answer was whether or not Thompson was proposing an amendment abridging the Full Faith and Credit laws or defining marriage.  His general position on the issue IS clear.
I think the whole Republican field could play parts on "Leave it to Beaver."  McCain could be Ward, Giuliani could be June, Fred Thompson could be Lumpy, Mitt could be the Wally, Huckabee could be Eddie Haskell, Newt Gingrich could be Whitey, Duncan Hunter could be Fred and George Bush could be the Beaver.
Hannity is a conservative pundit and talk show host, as far as I know, he's never claimed to be the type of "newsman" that does your nightly news broadcast.  So he's completely within his realm to do this stuff, just as a progressive pundit/talk show host would be completely fine siding with a particular that he/she likes.

Setting up a strawman that Hannity is being something other than what he claims to be (which would be a conservative pundit) is pretty weak. He's found his guy that reflects the ideals he hold, good for him.  Same would be said if any progressive pundit for his guy/gal and tooted their horn - good for them.

I'll take blatant and transparent support by someone for someone, rather than those hacks that are constantly stating how "unbiased" they are, all the while using little key phrases, slurs or tilted "news stories" to try and paint those they don't agree with in a bad light.  

I don't care what side you're on, this mudslinging, against families, spouses or people not even running for office is getting rather old.  Way too much jealousy, lack of original thought or lack of talent seems to be defining the media nowadays.

He wants to overturn Roe V Wade! This guy is just as dangerous as Bush.  <<

Another liberal goes shrieking into the night.
Everyone who's not a fox flunky knows Sean Hannity is a GOP propagandist posing as a "newsman"...just like Rush. He doesn't even try to make valid debate he repeats GOP talking points on a nightly basis to the point even Colmes (when he is there) is easily able to shoot holes in his rhetoric.
where did the repubs come up with all these heathens, what happened to the moral majority? All these candidates would catch fire if they set foot in a church, priceless
The fact is Thompson is not the candidate some on the GOP side have tried to make him to be...he was basically pushed into the race. Whether he falls or stands will be of his own doing.
mrt, typical ignorant repub remark-for someone who doesn't have to carry a child around for 9 mos and risk their life during labor. mrt stands for, ahh.. tard for short.
I'm leaning towards Huckabee right now, and giving Hope a second chance. :-) Would still like to see more out of Duncan Hunter, but........
Hannity is a conservative pundit and talk show host, as far as I know, he's never claimed to be the type of "newsman" that does your nightly news broadcast.

Hannity indeed is biased.  No one could ever expect him to host any kind of fair debate.  He's not unbiased like Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, or George Stephanopoulos.  Now, those three are straight shooting newsmen.
Sean Hannity has never backed down from being a Rudy backer.  He gives time to the other's when they come on his radio show or on Hannity and Combs.  Kind of funny how liberals say he is biased when the only talk show that has a liberal and a conservative on the same show is on Fox (Hannity and Combs).  I guess this the liberals saying that Alan Combs is not a true liberal, that is funny.  He lets liberals talk on his radio show, he keeps asking liberals what has Hillary Clinton done in the Senate to make her a good candidate for president and so far no one has come up with a good answer (Merle, there is your chance to take on Sean Hannity one on one, got the stones for it?).  He also has a standing invite to Hillary Clinton, Obama, John Edwards and any other democratic candidate to come on his show or Hannity and Combs, but they all lack the stones to do it.
You're a nut Jerry. Hannity screams too much. Michael Medved has a better show in that time slot.


picking on Jerry is fun. :-)
If Hannity is clearly a pundit and doesn't pretend to be a newsman why does he state after every commercial break on his radio show "bringing you the kind of hard hitting news and information you won't get anywhere else"?  Of course pretending to tell the truth is also not foreign to him.
They took Medved off of the station and replaced him with Rusty Humphrey, he's more entertaining.

John B---since I have been awake this morning, I have heard nothing from the liberal press or MSNBC about John Edwards being in a hedge fund that is kicking Katrina victims out of their houses.....  Winder why that is?  I suppose Sean will lead off his show with that.
Picking on jerry is fun, Dave - I agree!  I find myself compelled each day... easy target, obvious plant.  On another subject, this Fred Thompson thing just does not even make sense to me.  If he is this il-prepared in every way and with every political stepping stone, how exactly is it that he will be able to run a country?

Also, great posts recently, J. Merle.
Alan Combs is suppose to play the part of a meek, easy going liberal. He is suppose to come out on the loosing end of debates. That is the way the unfair and unbalances Fox news planned this show. Pudge face Hannity makes me sick. He is so bias.
looks like the moral majority has went hell, man the repubs have about a disgusting group of charlatans that have ever been assembled, rudy’s made a few mistakes but ain't going to talk about them, give me a break, politics don't work that way, you are what you are rudy, sorry
I AM SO EXHAUSTED WITH AMERICAN POLITICS BUT I HAVE TO VOTE IN ORDER TO NOT KICK ABOUT LAWS BEING PASSED. FOR GODS SAKE, THE CANDIDATES SHOULD STOP KICKING EACH OTHER OVER NOTHING. CANDIDATES AND POLITICS HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE BEFORE I WAS BORN. MOST OF THEM ARE LIARS, THEIVES, FORNICATORS, ADULTERERS AND BREAK EVERY ONE OF GODS COMMANDMENTS. THEY NEVER SAY THEIR MEA CULPAS AND MEAN IT. SO WHY ASK ME WHAT I THINK---I HAVE JUST WRITTEN WHY.
I've watched Hannity & COLMES for quite awhile..but stopped b/c it devolved into a shouting match since atleast 2003, mostly thanks to Hannity. I recognize Alan as a liberal and he has done a better job of reigning in the propaganda. But if you watch, average joe who does not follow politics or pundits, would consider as a newsman...he delivers reports for the fox during breaking coverage just as Shepard Smith would. He also delivers his rhetoric as absolute fact rather stating or indicating it is his own views. One can debate if it his lack of journalistic vetting and fox employing informal talk radio pundits for ratings that allows for his delivery style. Or is that common acceptance amoung conservative pundits...i think it is the prior. The show also became a frequent platform for Rudy to priase the Bush administration and recieve numerous softball questions. Sean's actions should be of no suprise, even though he is effectively backing a liberal candidate. It smacks of hypocracy below the surface.
"Everyone who's not a fox flunky knows Sean Hannity is a GOP propagandist posing as a "newsman"...just like Rush. He doesn't even try to make valid debate he repeats GOP talking points on a nightly basis to the point even Colmes (when he is there) is easily able to shoot holes in his rhetoric."

CJ what does that make you and the KOS crowd think of Keith "I am God" Oleberman???? Let me guess is just a straight forward type of guy, huh???
If one wishes to preserve your familys privaciy then dont get divorce in a public court. STAY MARRIED
As a number have pointed out, Sean hannity is a shill for the Bush Administration's approach to most issues.  As such, he is a commentator, not a reporter.  What he brings to the table is not "news" per se (regardless of what he says), but is rather details and opinions that the more "liberal" press doesn't want to present or glosses over.  His support for Giuliani is curious, given Hannity's strong moralist views, but I suppose he deserves some credit for getting out of his comfort zone on that.

I suppose I shouldn't be, but I'm a little bit surprised at bb's reaction to Fred Thompson's statement that Roe v. Wade was "bad law."  Unless a person is "single-issue" with respect to abortion rights, any reading of the decision itself would compel a conclusion that it was, indeed, bad law, in that it created a "right" unnecessarily and without any precedental basis, based only on what the Justices felt was the correct policy argument.  That, respectfully, is not how constitutional law should be made, particularly when there were less intrusive and less sweeping ways to reach the same conclusion.  His comment that "it (the decision) ought to be reversed" does not necessarily equate with "I will reverse it."  The precedent has been established and fixed for 33+ years, and I seriously doubt that it will be reversed totally by anyone.  The worst that might happen is that the issue will be thrown back to the States (where it belongs anyway).

There is a lesson to be learned from Roe: don't create "rights" out of wholecloth, spit, chewing gum and baling wire.  If you do, you are asking for trouble over the long haul.  It is far better to approach social changes incrementally unless immediate and radical changes are clearly required (and most times they aren't).

And no, I am not a particular fan of Sean Hannity, nor am I opposed to abortion per se.
Hanitty WRONG ABOUT WMD,WRONG how easy war is,WRONG about the insurgency,WRONG about how to fight the war,Wrong on the 06 elections Keep on listening to him and Karl it helps the democrats everytime your WRONG.
You people need to get a life!
Well, Pat, we are taking part in a conversation about our views, while you are simply reading these views as posted.  Your contribution is to tell us to get a life, when it seems that you are the one who does not have one.
Thanks for the honesty Richard. And I don't support overturning Roe vs Wade either but I do recognize that it was inacted in the wrong manner which has had dire consequences as a result..mainly the increasing focus on politicizing the courts (even though judges themselves have not always been upstanding themselves). Allowing for politicians to manipulate single issue voters and intrude into religion. On principle it was bad law even though depending on your views it does(embryo,fetus)/does not take away any rights.
Freddy!! Freddy!! Freddy!!

When the liberal media asks you a 'hard question'

Just start singing:

I'm too sexy for my shirt
So sexy that it huts
So, so, SO SEXY !!  

I like to lobby,
You know what I mean ....

That'll do it, Freddy !!
You might even want to tear off your shirt !!
If Romney is the Beaver,
Does that make Fred Thompson 'Lumpy' Rutherford ?
Rudy Giuliani is definetly Eddie Haskell
Hannity stumping for Rudy...that's about as impartial as
Andrea Mitchell (for Clinton) and the rest of the MSN group. Face it, every so-called journalist is partial to one candidate or the other. It's just that none of them seem to be hiding their bias quite as well in this election.
and Hillary reminds me that creepy Judy
Fred is dead, dead ,dead.
If you really want to determine whether any of the Fox "commentators" have even 1% of journalist in them, watch one of their shows after an event has occurred that is damaging to the Republicans.  I turned on Hannity's tv show the day after the Mark Foley scandal broke to see how Hannity would spin it.  He reminded his audience that Monica Lewinsky had also been a teenager during her relationship with Bill Clinton.  Of course, no one challenged Hannity.  Recalling that Lewinsky had been a college graduate, I simply hit google and within 90 seconds was able to determine that Lewinsky had been 22 and 23 during the time in question.  In other words, Hannity was too damn lazy to do 90 seconds of real research.  He just made it all his facts up.
"...He lets liberals talk on his radio show, he keeps asking liberals what has Hillary Clinton done in the Senate to make her a good candidate for president and so far no one has come up with a good answer (Merle, there is your chance to take on Sean Hannity one on one, got the stones for it?..."

jerry in chorpus christie......Why are you picking on me? Do I get under your skin? It would seem as though I do.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, GOOD!
First off I'm not that familiar with who and/or what a "Hannity" is. I listened to him a couple of times, found him to be stale and swainish, and I haven't listened to him since.
He doesn't give liberal callers a chance to fairly state their opinions at all, nor does he give them an opportunity to ask HIM any questions.
He calls them cames ("bedwetting socialist liberal" seems to be one of his repeat favorites), verbally berates them over the air, and cuts them off by asking rhetorical questions before they finish speaking.
Shouldn't HE be the "on air expert" who answers caller's questions, instead of asking them?
Kinda' makes you go, "hmmmm" doesn't it?
Also....I still haven't seen a valid answer from you as to why Mitt "The Squirrel Hunter" Romney, or "Gigolo Rudy 'G'" should be President. (Especially since the reduction in crime in New York City during the 90's was mostly due to Clinton's Crime Bill, and his COPS Program.)

Ahh Merle, you stepped in it again....

First off I'm not that familiar with who and/or what a "Hannity" is. I listened to him a couple of times, found him to be stale and swainish, and I haven't listened to him since.
He doesn't give liberal callers a chance to fairly state their opinions at all, nor does he give them an opportunity to ask HIM any questions.
He calls them cames ("bedwetting socialist liberal" seems to be one of his repeat favorites), verbally berates them over the air, and cuts them off by asking rhetorical questions before they finish speaking.
Shouldn't HE be the "on air expert" who answers caller's questions, instead of asking them?
Kinda' makes you go, "hmmmm" doesn't it?

If you are not familiar with him....How do you know about him.  Sounds like you listen to him quite a bit.

I've already given my answers....better dig backwards.
Hannity isn't the Dems problem.  The Dims running for President are the Dems problems.  No way that stink goes away before next years election.  Hannity is just pointing out the facts.
If you support Roe vs Wade you support abortion on demand throughout all 9 months of pregnancy for any reason, including saline burning of viable and near viable babies. Roe vs Wade did not legalize for the first three months, it legalized well beyond that point and has prevented states from putting laws in place to protect babies after 3 months gestation.


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