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First Read is an analysis of the day's political news, from the NBC News political unit. First Read is updated throughout the day, so check back often.

Chuck Todd, NBC Political Director

Mark Murray, NBC Deputy Political Director

Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts

Posted: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:14 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro

*** The Guns Of August Didn’t Fire: Overall, yesterday’s debate that had "August" written all over it, meaning the candidates decided not to take advantage of opportunities to engage. Instead, at almost every opportunity, the front-runners took pains to NOT engage, even when questions from the moderator tried to create spats. So in the absence of a "moment," it's hard not to declare Clinton the winner of this debate because, like boxing, if the champ doesn't get knocked out, then the champ is still the champ. This is not to say Obama and Edwards did poorly in this debate. To the contrary, both seemed more presidential than in previous debates, and many post-debate analyses had Obama as the winner (which shows that Obama has come a long way since that first debate in Orangeburg). But neither seemed comfortable trying to take down the front-runner: They took veiled shots at Clinton but in a way that was, well, "Iowa nice."

*** A Cautious Field: Biden -- not surprisingly -- seemed to have helped himself the most, followed by --  surprisingly -- Richardson. Of course, Richardson had a VERY low bar to surpass since he's been anywhere from bad to disastrous; Richardson was neither bad nor disastrous today. All of the candidates seemed well aware that the main audience for this debate was Iowa Democrats, and recent history has shown Iowa Democrats don't like sharp elbows. So that may explain some of the cautiousness that gripped the entire Democratic field.

*** Enough Is Enough: The decision to limit the number of debates and forums Obama will agree to for the rest of this calendar year is something that will upset a number of key Democratic interest groups. It seems a day doesn't go by that some left-of-center group doesn't pop up with a forum idea. Four months ago, we would have guessed it would have been Clinton -- not Obama -- who called for a halt to these things. But since Clinton has seen her ratings with Dems go up with every debate or forum appearance, she seems to have decided the more exposure she gets the more comfortable Democrats get with her. These forums have become her national listening tour.

VIDEO: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd offers his first read on Barack Obama rejecting offers for any additional debates.

*** Biden’s Moment: Will Biden ever get his moment? He is the Democrats' Huckabee -- meaning that he seems to perform well at every debate or forum, but doesn't have the resources to do anything more with it. With his first TV ads now airing in Iowa, we'll be watching closely to see if he can move the needle. If he can't, then our guess is that Biden will wonder how long he can go on. 

*** Nunn Of The Above: Don’t miss the news that former Sen. Sam Nunn (D) -- remember him? -- might be interested in running for president as an independent. Nunn’s interest raises this question: Why haven’t other political has-beens expressed more interest in a possible 2008 candidacy? What better way to get back in the news to push a pet issue? In Nunn's case, the pet issue is a big one: nukes.

*** VFW Politics: In Kansas City today, Clinton addresses the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention, and then McCain follows her. Obama and Fred Thompson speak to the group tomorrow. And President Bush goes before the group on Wednesday. As the Washington Post puts it, “The VFW convention is not a standard campaign stop, according to VFW National Commander Gary Kurpius, and he said it is unprecedented to have candidates address the organization before winning the nomination.” Do either Clinton or Obama get booed?

*** On The Trail: Elsewhere, Huckabee campaigns in New Hampshire; Obama does the same; and Tommy Thompson -- who no longer is in the race -- appears on Comedy Central’s Daily Show.

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Hillary is at the top because she is the best candidate to run against the repubs. Hillary Rodham Clinton will be our next president.
Hillary Clinton at a VFW convention?  This ought to be interesting.  Considering the CLintons never really gave a dog about the military in the 90's this should be fun.  Sam Who?  Nukes, now there is a big issue LOL.  You have democratic debates, which are more like showing up at a campaign rally then a real debate, why should you go to a rally where everybody is there, when you can do it with people that support you?
"it's hard not to declare Clinton the winner of this debate because, like boxing, if the champ doesn't get knocked out then the champ is still the champ."
who declared hillary to be the champ? one of the corporate media polls or did it come to you in a dream, or what? you know if you cat's bothered checking out how popular hillary was other than on the east and west coast you might find that "champ" may be considered a gross overstatement by most of the population of the united states, I think "chump" would be a more accurate description of how most people fill about the corporate owned hillary, but keep it up I know you have bills to pay

Good morning America...George Bush continues to be a big ass and Gonzo-Gate is not going to go away. That's all.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...hillaryclinton.com
Where you guys watching the same debate.  Clinton was reduced to rehashing her stump speech soundbites and avoiding answering questions.  Clearly Obama won the debate.
Chuck,

Senator Biden will be in the race through the Iowa caucus, regardless of any poll numbers. Those of you who are in politics/media place great stock in polls that are statistically flawed at the outset. If a undergrad student used the same sample (random registered Democrats) to poll the caucus support in Iowa, when Iowa's two highest caucus years attendance never exceeded 20%, as representative, of a candidates level of caucus support, the Professor would rightfully flunk them. And yet political pundits continue to ignore that the polls in Iowa are not only fundamentally flawed at the outset, but the pundits almost always screw up their Iowa predictions.

One would think after all the pundits were so royally embarrassed in the 04 caucus, because their predictions were so off, that they would be a bit more cautious!
FIRST THOUAGHTS:

OBAMA was fabulous. He gave a very presidential answer and also demonstarted the core of US philosophy in the answer regarding the IRAQ seperation. Even Biden, the expert had his jaw drop. Obama said, we should split but that decision has to be taken by the IRAQI's reflecting on the value of freedom of expression which is a constitutional value. Nothing works out if we act as BIG BROTHER and breathe down others neck. He has the vision to see that. Itb was fantastic that no one even was aware of such things. I GOT TO GIVE IT TO HIM.
I think its time to take out Gravel. Dennis can stay becos we need voices to question the big dog. The deabte appeared like a pack of hyenas attacking a lion. It appeared like an orchestrated effort from Hillary, Dodd, Biden to tear Obama but he stood his ground. I can see they shake when he brings up IRAQ.
I can understand their frustration. they must be thinking..Man..."who is this dude who comes from nowwhere.. while WE GREY HAIRED TRIED POLITICIANS HAVE PAID OUR DUES IN POLITICS" Thats what irkes them the most. They forget that JFK, Billy Clinton were all 45+/- 2 yrs when they became president. HRC canot stand Obama given his popularity and charisma. She can never accept defeat and thats why she will dance along biting her teeth to every scathing attack. Go OBAMA .. Shoot staright for the Oval office. The people are with you and prove to the DC "pundits" that you are smarter than they are.
Is Jerry sayin that nuclear weapons are not a big issue?  Maybe someone out to point him to the troubles we are having with North Korea Iran which center around (what else) nuclear capabilities.  
Does VFW boo Clinton or Obama? WTH - that is an insult to the VFW. Bush is also addressing them and they have a lot more cause to boo him unless the VFW thinks providing the VFW with fresh disabled recruits is good thing.
I got my laugh when john edwards said of the Republican candidates "they all look like Bush on Steroids to me". What a little drama queen.
Summary: GIGO: garbage in, garbage out.
Jerry who in the current White House ever went to war or even understands how to fight one? While Bush and his idiot followers are calling the shots on how to handle Iraq, thousands of americans continue to die. The GOP can give a damm about our men in uniform. If they did, they would be properly equipped. earn a decent living and recieve good health care when needed. Instead, they are sent to Iraq with bad equipment and when they are hurt, handed over to Walter Reed Medical Center .... need I say more??
Where does their money come from?


http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.asp?id=N00002283&cycle=2008

HILLARY CLINTON (D)
Top Industries
1
Lawyers/Law Firms
$6,176,295

2
Securities & Investment
$3,030,400

3
Retired
$2,560,472

4
Real Estate
$2,550,690

5
Business Services
$1,610,440

6
Misc Business
$1,602,090

7
TV/Movies/Music
$1,508,183

8
Misc Finance
$1,009,800

9
Health Professionals
$990,611

10
Education
$938,700

11
Hedge Funds
$643,200

12
Computers/Internet
$550,770

13
Printing & Publishing
$543,925

14
Commercial Banks
$474,250

15
Civil Servants/Public Officials
$452,253

16
Retail Sales
$417,068

17
Lobbyists
$406,300

18
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing
$404,850

19
Non-Profit Institutions
$380,520

20
Insurance
$352,700





HILLARY CLINTON (D)
Contributions by Sector



Agribusiness
$305,350

Communications/Electronics
$3,018,328

Construction
$844,550

Defense
$52,950

Energy & Natural Resources
$383,800

Finance, Insurance & Real Estate
$7,781,040

Health
$1,663,317

Lawyers & Lobbyists
$6,582,595

Transportation
$263,497

Misc Business
$5,184,947

Labor
$44,850

Ideological/Single-Issue
$415,173

Other
$4,584,920







BARACK OBAMA (D)
Top Industries

1
Lawyers/Law Firms
$5,581,424

2
Securities & Investment
$3,352,534

3
Retired
$3,115,038

4
Misc Business
$1,907,472

5
Education
$1,459,027

6
TV/Movies/Music
$1,362,610

7
Real Estate
$1,362,208

8
Business Services
$1,257,812

9
Misc Finance
$900,982

10
Health Professionals
$748,637

11
Hedge Funds
$706,074

12
Commercial Banks
$614,646

13
Printing & Publishing
$611,795

14
Computers/Internet
$554,648

15
Civil Servants/Public Officials
$440,236

16
Non-Profit Institutions
$307,886

17
Insurance
$269,750

18
Hospitals/Nursing Homes
$265,376

19
Retail Sales
$249,411

20
Other
$234,360





BARACK OBAMA (D)
Contributions by Sector



Agribusiness
$196,298

Communications/Electronics
$2,772,713

Construction
$489,240

Defense
$37,800

Energy & Natural Resources
$352,366

Finance, Insurance & Real Estate
$6,717,962

Health
$1,305,156

Lawyers & Lobbyists
$5,636,443

Transportation
$166,305

Misc Business
$4,105,528

Labor
$9,700

Ideological/Single-Issue
$170,348

Other
$5,631,747



JOHN EDWARDS (D)
Top Industries

1
Lawyers/Law Firms
$6,545,542

2
Democratic/Liberal
$1,682,677

3
Retired
$846,281

4
Securities & Investment
$660,450

5
Real Estate
$503,950

6
TV/Movies/Music
$358,300

7
Business Services
$336,700

8
Misc Business
$275,825

9
Education
$247,411

10
Health Professionals
$246,926

11
Misc Finance
$245,450

12
Hedge Funds
$223,300

13
Printing & Publishing
$145,266

14
Computers/Internet
$131,660

15
Commercial Banks
$127,200

16
Civil Servants/Public Officials
$120,270

17
Insurance
$81,750

18
Other
$63,500

19
Non-Profit Institutions
$62,000

20
Retail Sales
$59,856



OHN EDWARDS (D)
Contributions by Sector



Agribusiness
$71,350

Communications/Electronics
$675,926

Construction
$110,540

Defense
$11,200

Energy & Natural Resources
$44,450

Finance, Insurance & Real Estate
$1,661,100

Health
$339,826

Lawyers & Lobbyists
$6,559,042

Transportation
$32,150

Misc Business
$877,601

Labor
$13,050

Ideological/Single-Issue
$1,698,277

Other
$1,353,062





Most of Clinton's money comes from finance insurance real estate lawyers lobbyists Most of Obama's money comes from, (surprise) finance insurance real estate lawyers lobbyists, Most of Edwards money comes from; Lawyers and lobbyists.



Finance isnurance re

Clinton, $7,781,040

Obama,$6,717,962

Edwards,$1,661,100

Lawyers and lobbyists

Clinton, $6,582,595

Obama,$5,636,443

Edwards,$6,559,042

Misc. Business interests;



Clinton, $5,184,947

Obama,$4,105,528

Edwards, $877,601



Lawyers and lobbyists make up 10.4% of Clinton's, 9.567% of Obama's and, TWENTY-EIGHT point 32 percent for EDWARDS! contributions

What amount of their cash is not disclosed? meaning;

QUALITY OF DISCLOSURE



FULL DISCLOSURE: Includes full name and occupation / employer
 
INCOMPLETE DISCLOSURE: Occupation listed gives no indication what the person does for a living. Examples of unacceptably vague disclosures are such "occupations" as "businessman," "entrepreneur," "self-employed," and "executive".
 
NO DISCLOSURE: No information about the donor's employer and / or occupation was listed.
Clinton; No Disclosure  $4,826,468 (10.1%)
Obama; No Disclosure $5,582,517(13.2%)
Edwards;No Disclosure$1,946,519(12.1%)

Clinton has the least percentage of undisclosed donors.

FEC

http://www.fec.gov/index.shtml

Clinton;Contributions    
Individual  $51,996,522  
PAC  $535,346  
Party  $1,000  
Candidate  $0  
Transfers-In  $10,000,000  
Disbursements  $17,306,036  
Cash On Hand  $45,226,832  



Size of Donations
$200 and Under  $4,628,708  
$200.01 - $499  $1,427,433  
$500 - $999  $2,016,333  
$1000 - $1999  $7,594,107  
$2000 and Over  $36,876,268

Contributions    
Individual  $58,496,362  
PAC  $125  
Party  $0  
Candidate  $0  
Transfers-In  $0  
Disbursements  $22,357,038  
Cash On Hand  $36,263,688  


over 1,000 44,470,375


Obama


Contributions    
Individual  $58,496,362  
PAC  $125  
Party  $0  
Candidate  $0  
Transfers-In  $0  
Disbursements  $22,357,038  
Cash On Hand  $36,263,688  



Size of Donations
$200 and Under  $14,316,815  
$200.01 - $499  $2,935,079  
$500 - $999  $3,945,864  
$1000 - $1999  $9,013,473  
$2000 and Over  $28,405,818


1,000 and over  37,419,291

Their money comes from the same sources.

Van
JerryCC - Hillary or Bill would do about as well at a VFW confention as Rove, Cheney or Bush.  None of the above ever served in the military overseas (VFW- Veterans of Foreign Wars)during wartime.  Also there is a big emphaisis on Veterans - a group of folks who have sadly been forgotten and left behind by this administration.  I belong to the Ladies Auxillary of the VFW - we hold the office of the President in high esteem, but not the holder of the office.
While I don't like your posts or your views I do respect your right to them and I do hope you and your family are safe from the storm.
Reality check:
It's amazing, considering how, "fabulous", Senator Obama is, that the polls haven't budged in months.

National
RCP Average 08/01 to 08/13 39.3 21.4 11.7 3.7 13.5 Clinton +17.9
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national-primary.html


Iowa
RCP Average 07/23 - 08/05 - 26.3 24.0 20.0 11.0 Clinton +2.3

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_democratic_caucus-208.html


NH
RCP Average 07/09 - 08/09 32.8 24.0 12.2 9.2 -- Clinton +8.8

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_primary-194.html

SC

RCP Average 06/13 - 07/30 - 34.0 30.0 14.5 2.5 Clinton +4.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_primary-234.html

I know, if the polls don't favor your candidate, attack the polls.
Van
LIES, COVERUP, DELETED DOCUMENTS, MORE LIES, EVER MORE LIES, IT ALL ADDS UP TO GONZO-GATE. IT WILL NOT JUST FADE AWAY.
When we have Obama, Clinton and Edwards tuning their policies towards Iraq to match that of Joe Biden's, (Richardson agrees with most of it except he's pandering to the far left with the 'all troops out yesterday' approach). When all the other presidential candidates say that Joe Bidenis right- when will all the voters say he is the right one? When it matters, we will see the votes go to Joe come January.
THANKS G. W. !
Just a reminder of jerry's comments regarding the VFW, "VFW magazine?  That must be one hot read(like newsweek)."  posted thur. 1:42 pm 5-24-07.
Paul, OH.
"Even Biden, the expert had his jaw drop. Obama said, we should split but that decision has to be taken by the IRAQI's " His jaw dropped because again, Obama is taking credit for an idea that is not his own and again, shows his naiveness (remember it's already US policy?).
The DECISION has already been made by the Iraqis because it is already spelled out in the IRAQI constition to split. Joe can pretty much site the constition, can Barack?
I was impressed with all the candidates yesterday. The big three for the most part removed their boxing gloves. It was good to see them highlighting the positives of their rivals on the stage with them.

It was refreshing.

It is a shame Dennis Kucinich won't go far. He's saying all the right things and isn't afraid of anyone. He appears to me to be truly true to himself and true to what he believes is best for our country.

He Speaks Truth to Power: That's Dennis Kucinich in a nutshell. Is anyone listening?

He has seen poverty, first hand. He voted against this war.

Peacekeeper take your time wait for
the dark of night
Soon all the suns will rise
Peacekeeper dont tell why DON'T BE
AFRAID TO FIGHT
Love is the sweet surprise.
          (Fleetwood Mac)

Obama/Kucinich
I have said it before...Jerry do not comment on the military (any presidency applies) because you have never served.  Also, Jerry either defend or do not post.  Your attack methods are history.
After watching Chuck todd on msnbc this morning, it became even more clearer to me that all he wants is sound bites from Gotcha Politics. Obama has stayed above this ( thankfully)although punching back when he's been punched.I'm glad he's decided to take his case even more to the people,( ya know the VOTERS)& get away from these debates.MSM only wants to catch all of them flip-flopping or otherwise saying something in a different way than previously said, so they can say, " well you said this b4". Being an Obama supporter, it is very encouraging to know he is winning over repub's( that can still think on their own)as evidenced with the Fox focus group."DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"
What a bunch of zeros! Is the the best the Democratic Party has to offer???
Paul, OH - couldn't agree with you more re Gravel - he's almost an embarrassment.  I don't agree with the First Read crew about Richardson - he had a few good lines but I don't think he's helped himself during these debates.  I'd like Biden a lot more if he stopped taking shots a Obama (my choice), but perhaps he and Hillary have cut a deal.
I believe Obama will win the nomination at the convention. No candidate will "run the table" in the primaries, so it will be decided on a second or third ballot, in which case the candidate with the most charisma and eloquence will win, and that is Obama. The pundits in the MSM seem to be infatuated with projecting Hillary as the "winner take all" in the primary season, but I believe the the electorate is far more sophisticated and this time voters in California and other big states won't give a hoot who wins in Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina.
DEMS  LOL.  I have to seriously wonder if you ever served at all either.  Thanks for the advice, but I think I'll continue to commit on the military, after all it's my taxes that support them.
DEMs Fighting Back - With all due respect, you don't have to have served in the military to be able to comment on the military.  That's like saying you can't comment on what Congress does unless you have been a Member of Congress...which is a ridiculous proposition.  
Chuck stop the lazy reporting and elaborate on a candidates issues rather than sound bites. If not, then focus more on the GOP debates.
Monday, August 20, 2007


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows New York Senator Hillary Clinton at 42% in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. She is trailed by Illinois Senator Barack Obama at 22% and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards at 14% among Likely Democratic Primary Voters (see recent daily numbers). Delaware Senator Joe Biden and New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson and are at 4% and 3% respectively."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/daily_presidential_tracking_poll__1

Meanwhile, back in the reality-based, community...

Van
What kind of analysis is it to suggest that since Obama was seen as the winner, Clinton won?  That's asinine.  

Furthermore, "a long way from the first debate in Orangeburg" forgets the fact that Obama won that first debate decisively both in the MSNBC online poll and a SurveyUSA poll of SC voters.  Granted, Obama also gets declared the winner this time by Time (the second time for him this year) as well as David Yepsen, the Politico, and the post debate focus group - but the fact is, after every single debate this year, Obama won either the online poll, the majority of the focus groups, the post-debate polling in the state holding the debate, or some combination of the above.  Most, although not all, of the people in the media who were leading the charge with the message that Hillary was beating Obama in the debates were people like Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Joe Scarborough, and Pat Buchanan; those people are going to decide the Democratic nomination as much as the Republican nomination is going to be determined by dailykos.  
Yes boys and girls it once again that time to play Gonzo-Gate.Your favorite players are back for action...Georgie in the wing, Karl movin on out,Harriett "my favorite" is in the lone star state of denial, Alberto who knows absolutely nothing and the rest of the gang. Play along it's fun and it just will not fade away.
Monday, August 20, 2007
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August is shaping up like the previous several months in the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination. New York Senator Hillary Clinton has built a bit more support than the month before while the other candidates remain essentially where they were (review week-by-week numbers).

Rasmussen Reports national polling shows that Clinton’s support averaged 33% for all polls released in April. Her support increased to 35% in May, 36% in June and 39% in July. The first three polls released in August show her averaging 41% support.

Illinois Senator Barack Obama’s support averages 23% for the first three weeks in August. That’s down slightly from 25% in July, 26% in June, and 27% in May. Obama peaked on the eve of the first Presidential debate. For the month of April, his support averaged 31%.",
Damn you, tracking polls!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/weekly_presidential_tracking_polling_history

Van
Scott,

I agree with you that Biden is the one to vote for.  He has mine.  Sad because I don't think he has the campaign money to compete.
Vanreuter,N.Y.,N.YA.. would you please send me this in writing. P.O. Box 501, Chicago, 55709
In the words of Joseph Welch; Jerry has just missed another golden  opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Van,
ABC poll of Iowans pre-debate:
Obama 27%
Clinton 26%
Edwards 26%
I guess the polls are moving in locations where people are truly paying attention.  Hillary's polarizing nature (baggage that she carries from her husband's administration) will jeopardize the Democratic majorities in Congress, even if she manages a squeaker of a victory in the general election.  Obama is a fresh start for this nation as he is able to excite independents and moderate Republicans as well as Democrats.  With his election, we might be able to have a government without trench warfare.  We also know that Hillary's alleged 'experience' in foreign affairs is a crock.
Obama '08
Y -- watch out, you are being followed by Z
jerry is a rove dog..bite and hold FOREVER. Snarl and growl FOREVER. rove and jerry are now little yippy dogs, all bark, no bite.
And as if jerry is not all wet every day he is under 6 inches of new wetness. Go sandbag jerry you need to hone that skill.
vanreuter, JoeCHI, SierraMadre:

You WANT IT !!
I GOT IT !!

It's the official Hiillary Clinton 'Army of Darkness' T shirt !!
Pitch black with dripping red letters: Army of Darkness !!
A full color portrait of Hillary in the middle !!
And she's SNARLING !! FANGS BARRED !!!
$26.95 each

Extra Small for al lyou guys, right ???

Oh !! jerry, Lee Holmes,
Estra Small with fit you guys, too !!
Just wash em in HOT water, then throw em into the dryer !!
Jerry you can comment all you want ..but unfortunately very few of your tax dollars goes to support them personally ....your tax dollars goes to fund the war that eventually will kill them
Numbers while they can be intimadating can also be very misleading ( just like polls).  This is the hope of people who site them.

You can not simply look at the combined number for people in an industry and determine where they work or what they do.  A janitor,an administor , a nurse a secretary and a Pharma lobbyist for the federal government may all put don't healthcare or all be lumped in that category but it doesn't make them all the same.

The fact that Senator Obama has so many individual donors would definitely mean that he would have a broad cross section of jobs and job titles ( except for Federal Lobbyist).  Compare 14K people average giving under $200.00 vs only 4K for Senator Clinton.

These numbers tell you nothing about who these people are and what they do.  
Thanks nuanced, for the warning. I thought someone was looking over my shoulder. It's probably some of the gang from Gonzo-Gate that just will not go away.Pesky little devils aren't they !
Scott, PA, Janet B:
Joe Biden voted for the Iraq WAR !!
Joe Biden voted for the Partriot Act,
Joe Biden voted for NAFTA,
Joe Biden voted for the WTO,
Joe Biden voted for the Millenium Telecommunications Act !!
Does that CLOWN ever get ANYTHING RIGHT ??

The Bush/Biden/Dodd/Clinton policy of invading Iraq is a fiasco !!
The Bush/Biden/Dodd/Clinton policy of attacking a country that neither attacked or threatened us is the greastest foreign policy disaster since VietNam !!

Does that CLOWN BIDEN EVER GET ANYTHING RIGHT ??

After a festival of errors on his part, Biden's now 'experienced' ??
Wow !! I hope he learns form his mistakes !!
He's made a boat load of mistakes !!

Common sense trumps Washington DC 'experience'
Honesty trumps political opportunism !!

Jow Biden ?? No thanks !!
I am an active Democrat who dosen't have a clue who I would rather see as the Democrat nominee.  I do, however, have one simple request of all of the candidates:  Please, please stop starting your responses to questions with, "If elected I will . . ."  Try instead to offer what policies you would like to see Congress address and what outcomes you would consider most beneficial to America.  Afterall, we are not voting for a dictator and recognizing the Legislative Branch as an essential part of our government would be refreshing.
So Obama is reducing his exposure via less debates.  HMMMmmm is that a cut and run or can not stand the heat so get out of the kitchen sort a thing?
So if Senator Clinton has no foreign affairs experience, Obama has so much more?  How much more? Where did he get any? Did he gaffe on the Iraq constitution? HMMMmmm.
Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY

I know you must be able to follow links, and I know you must be smart enough to read things for yourself, yet you failed to follow the links and read for yourself. I will help you;

"ABC poll of Iowans pre-debate:
Obama 27%
Clinton 26%
Edwards 26%"

Yes, that IS ONE poll. It isn't the most recent poll, nor is it the only poll. Had you followed the link to RCP, you would have found this;

Poll Date Sample Clinton Edwards Obama Richardson Spread
RCP Average 07/23 - 08/05 - 26.3 24.0 20.0 11.0 Clinton +2.3
Univ. of Iowa 07/29 - 08/05 425 LV 27 22 22 9 Clinton +5.0
ABC News/Wash Post 07/26 - 07/31 500 LV 26 26 27 11 Obama +1.0
American Res. Group 07/26 - 07/30 600 LV 30 21 15 13 Clinton +9.0
Research 2000 07/23 - 07/25 400 LV 22 27 16 11 Edwards +5.0

Please note that the University of Iowa (Undoubtedly, owned by either the Clintons or the MSM), in the most recent polling finds that Senator Clinton LEADS by 5 points over both Senators Edwards and Obama. Note that Obama is running THIRD in the average of the FIVE polls, and that Clinton LEADS in 3 of the five. Here is another link to follow;

"Statewide Registered Democratic Voters; 2008 General Election

Of the 907 respondents in the statewide registered voter sample, 469 respondents self-identified as Democrats. The margin of error of the subsample is +/- 4.6 percent. These voters were asked: "If the 2008 Presidential election were today, who would you vote for?" Any candidate could be named; candidate names were not provided. Among all registered Democratic voters (not just those planning to caucus), changes since the UI's March poll are relatively small in most cases.

Sen. Clinton, D-N.Y., remains on top with 30 percent, up 4.5 percent.

Sen. Obama, D-Ill., follows with 20.4 percent support, up 3.7 percent.

Former Sen. Edwards, D-N.C., sits at 16.1 percent, down 7.1 percent."

http://news-releases.uiowa.edu/2007/august/080907dempollresults.html

The LEAD is even greater among registered democrats.
Please refer to my other posts as to how certain supporters of a particular candidate discount any poll that shows their candidate trailing, and touts any poll, even a poll that is well below the margin of error (usually 3%), that they feel supports their candidate.

Please also note that that Senator's poll averages haven't moved in over four months.
If you tout one poll as significant, then they are all significant.


Van
Mitchell don't waste your time trading polls or numbers with Van, as a Hillary operative they keep numbers that bolster the image they want to produce at their finger tips.  What they don't have is PEOPLE.   I'll trade polls any day for people who are willing to give their MONEY and their time.  These people are committed.  Obama current has almost 3 times the number of donors as Clinton.  Look closely at the polls and you will see the number of people survyed in most is around 450-500.  They don't highlight that fact.  That is a meaningless number of people.

Vanreuter,N.Y.,N.YA.. would you please send me this in writing. P.O. Box 501, Chicago, 55709
Karl Barnes, Chicago, ILL.

What would you like me to send you? Everything I post is from the public record, and all sources are hyperlinked within the body of the post. If you can't find, or if I have omitted a source, let me know which source you mean.


Van


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