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Iraq

Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:08 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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In previewing Bush’s VFW speech today, USA Today also writes about the TV ad battle over how to define the success of the troop surge. “Freedom's Watch, a conservative group, plans to launch a $15 million advertising campaign in 20 states today. The group's spokesman, former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer, says the goal is to tell people that the buildup of U.S. troops in Iraq is working. ‘We want to get the message to both Democrats and Republicans: Don't cut and run, fully fund the troops, and victory is the only objective,’ Fleischer says.”

"One of the main voices in the anti-war movement is a coalition called Americans Against Escalation in Iraq, which includes such liberal groups as MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress and the Service Employees International Union. The coalition is running advertisements attacking senators and representatives who support Bush's Iraq policies. "Our ads are about defining the Republicans in the minds of the voters as sticking with Bush on Iraq," says Tom Matzzie, director of the ad campaign."

The Washington Post on the GOP ad campaign: "Democratic leaders in Congress had planned to use August recess to raise the heat on Republicans to break with President Bush on the Iraq war. Instead, Democrats have been forced to recalibrate their own message in the face of recent positive signs on the security front, increasingly focusing their criticisms on what those military gains have not achieved: reconciliation among Iraq's diverse political factions."

Meanwhile, the liberal group Americans United for Change is going up with TV ads tomorrow that target GOP Sens. Pete Domenici (in New Mexico), Susan Collins (in Maine) and George Voinovich (in Ohio), as well as GOP Reps. Michele Bachmann (in Minnesota) and Jon Porter (in Nevada). Here’s an example of one of the ads.

For what it's worth, the Chicago Tribune notes Obama received a larger throng of folks at his rope line after his VFW speech than Fred Thompson did. Both Obama and Thompson were given standing ovations following their speeches.

The New York Daily News adds, “Obama's pledge to improve pay and benefits won him several rounds of applause, but the vets were less responsive to his call for withdrawing from Iraq to focus on Afghanistan.”

The Edwards campaign decided to pounce (a day later) on the interpretation of Clinton's VFW speech on Monday, which claimed the surge is working. While not technically what she said, her remarks have been interpreted that way. Said Edwards campaign manager David Bonior in a statement: "Senator “Hillary Clinton's view that the president's Iraq policy is 'working' is another instance of a Washington politician trying to have it both ways. You cannot be for the President's strategy in Iraq but against the war. The American people deserve straight talk and real answers on Iraq, not double-speak, triangulation, or political positioning.”

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Something interesting I read in this morning's paper:

"With 34 percent of Republicans disapproving of the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war, and 4 percent claiming "uncertainty," a 68 percent Republican approval rating of the Bush administration leaves little question as to where their gripe lies.  Republicans are still Americans and as Americans, they should disapprove of American men and women being sent to die in a desert, trying to impose civilized democracy on uncivilized tribes."

The Republicans' dissatisfaction with President Bush for the most part lies with the immigration issue, not the Iraq war.
"Don't cut and run, fully fund the troops, and victory is the only objective"...they must've up'd the koolaid dosage...all you war mongers out there: How many more have to die until you come to your senses? There is NO military solution in Iraq!!! A skilled Tai Chi push hands practitioner can easily defeat some brute trying to overpower him. THINK!!
(fools)
So what if the surge IS working?  The only positive for us seems to be that troop deaths are down somewhat.  "Victory"?  Just what is "victory"?  It's never been well-defined.  Or is this like Justice Stewart's definition of obscenity; it can't be described, but we'll know it when we see it.
Mr. Bush won't see any protests.

"A White House manual that came to light recently gives presidential advance staffers extensive instructions in the art of "deterring potential protestors" from President Bush's public appearances around the country."...

"Any anti-Bush demonstrators who manage to get in anyway should be shouted down by "rally squads" stationed in strategic locations. And if that does not work, they should be thrown out."...

""These squads should be instructed always to look for demonstrators," it says. "The rally squad's task is to use their signs and banners as shields between the demonstrators and the main press platform. If the demonstrators are yelling, rally squads can begin and lead supportive chants to drown out the protestors (USA!, USA!, USA!). As a last resort, security should remove the demonstrators from the event site."

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Jeffery and Nicole Rank sued after they were arrested in 2004 for refusing to cover their anti-Bush T-shirts at a Fourth of July speech by the president. (By Bob Bird -- Associated Press)

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Once again, when are you DemocRATS going to put the country first before your political power plays. I can't stand the Bush Administration either but its important that we succeed in Iraq even though we should of never been there in the first place.
Bush is a "big" loser. That's all.
When will these neo-cons & wingnuts stop these ridiculous fear tactics with the 'cut & run' verbiage?  Are you serious about the victory statement?  Do we have to wait until Rove leaves office on Aug 31?  I wonder how many WH emails have gone to this neo-con/wingnut group?
Why is it that the only U.S. House Rep(D) who is an Iraq veteran I believe his name is Murphy endorsing Obama? Could it be that he is convinced the surge is never going to work?
This is easy....Liberals are so invested in seeing their own country defeated they will do anything to assure that the United States looks bad.  Some of these liberals, I'm beginning to wonder, are they really Al Qaeda Operatives?
People don't have a problem with victory being the objective.  The problem is now, and has been for years, determining what constitutes victory.  First it was overthrowing Saddam.  That was done.  Then it was holding elections.  That was done, more than once.  For the last couple of years, it seems that victory has been training the Iraqi forces to assume responsibility for the security of Iraq.  What will it be when (IF) that day ever comes?

If we don't know what victory is, how will we know when we achieve it?
In bushes comment that history will show that the U.S. incurson into Iraq was justified and a good thing, I came to the conclusion that he really is insane. Even if his entire rational was to make money for himself and his friends the ease at which he has always been able to order the deaths of human beings shows a desenceitizing of the value of human life. Like others of his kind, money is not principal form of self motivation, the power of life & death is what gets his juices to flow.
Well, well.  The Democrats are coming up on a true dilemma for them.  The Surge is working, and many of the Democrats that won in House districts that were moderately Republican now will have split with the far-left liberal leadership (who want to pull out of Iraq under any circumstances) if they expect to get re-elected next year.  The liberals in the Democratic party think they can pull off wins next year without the centrists.  Not much chance of that happening.

Looks like Bush has outsmarted the Democrats again.
If the surge is in fact working, it will unravel as soon as US troops leave so what exactly is the point?
43 American casualties in Iraq July 06, 80 July 07.  Hundreds killed just in mass bombings this month.  Violence increasing in areas where we've pulled forces to move them to surge areas.  New statements from Maliki that we can't tell Iraqis to move on the minimal goals we've set to measure political progress.  Iran celebrated by the Iraqi and Afghan governments as a positive force in the region.  Where's the progress?
Like this piece of crap has any incite to Vietnam.  The war he and his shoot you in the face partner dodged with great effort.  

Has anyone seen the information from the personal diary that the Reagan Library is releasing in reference to the dunce in chief?
"Victory is the only objective." Man! The BushCo faithful can be inspired with some stupid-assed slogans! I never believed a word that came out of that prissy wanker's mouth before - I'm not starting now. Especially not with something as lame as "Victory is the only objective."
This is war, then: All is well.
The missiles bomb the cities, and the airplanes bid the clouds farewell.
It is nothing but a corpse which grows and stretches...
Between time and time.
Between blood and blood.
All is well.
                    - Fadhil Al Azzawi
Edwards is exactly right to pounce here. By saying the strategy is "working," Hillary has handed the right wing noise machine - you know, the one she knows so much about "beating" - a club which they will use this September o destroy any hopes of ending this godawful tragedy of a war sooner rather than later.
Bush is losing support for the war because he's never been dishonest about why we are there in the first place. Assuming the American public is too stupid to see the truth is a big mistake. He's gotten this far because Americans support their government and have faith that it will do the right thing. But when the government squanders that support by breaking the public trust they should expect no less than the loss of that support.
It's a measure of how nervous the neo-cons are about Petraeus's visit to Congress (not the report, because they're writing the White Wash at the White House), that they have to spend fifteen million dollars to fool the sheep in the heartland into believing the Whack-A-Mole strategy of the surge is working.  As someone once said, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people, and Cheney/Bush and his neo-con chickenhawks have proven that saying true time and time again, so...the ad may actually work.  Scare the rubes into thinking the anti-war people are satan-worshiping baby eaters, and that the surge is working just fine.  Why not?
the surge is working the surge is working said chicken hawk little,whats in the pipeline more troops to help continue the surge NO.More time to recruit americans who support but not fight in this war NO they would have heard the sound of the trumpet blower bush and responded by now ,so the surge is working what difference to the troops that give thier lives for a prime minister who says and i Quote from the article on msnbc about the 14 in helicopter crash,"we care for our people and constitution and can find friends elsewhere"Those 14 were his friends so are all the other americans who gave all to save his goverment.Maybe bush should use that quote and figure out how to get them home or to afganistan where the real enemy is Bin Laden
Is the current Iraqi government providing the basic services & needs for its people?

How much influence does the Iraqi government have in the dealings with the Sunnis and Shias?

Is the Iraqi government able to sustain any police or military forces?

Can the Iraqi government learn to live with its neighbors?

Are the people in Iraq better off now than during Saddam's rule?

Honest answers to these questions by a learned person (not Bush) are what the American people need to hear. We have spent too many lives and incredible sums of money only to continue to see chaos in Iraq. Our military cannot bring peace to that country. Their future is in their own hands and they need to be able to determine that future on their own, without our military involvement. Winning is out of the question. Win what? Peace? That won't occur for many more years, after we leave. Staying there only prolongs the violence.

Staying and fighting is only warming the hearts of those people who love a good fight. We are not protecting our country any more in Iraq than we were in Viet Nam. If we stay in Iraq and (God forbid) institute the draft, we'll see just as many US deaths as we did in 'Nam and maybe more. It will be just as futile as it was in 'Nam. WE ARE THE INVADERS, not the saviors. We have no right being the "holier than thou" country. We need change. We need peace. We do not need another Bush or a "Bush-lite".
call it whatever you want try keeping it up,we have run out of time not patence.And let bush know the khmer rouge were the killing fields not the socialist republic of vietnam who removed the khmer in 1979 not the us army as we might think.
If the surge is working.....why can't the Iraqi's secure their own country?
Dear George,

Stop Lying.
I hope that the GOP's ads really will " define the Republicans in the minds of the voters as sticking with Bush on Iraq."  Most of us don't want to stick with Bush on Iraq.  We want out of Iraq.  If the Republicans want to identify themselves as supporters of this massive bloody debacle, incomprehensible foreign policy  and the slippery ethics of this administration, more power to them.  May they never win another election.
GWB is a mass murderer.
The fact remains that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Bush and his GOP puppets went into Iraq based on a bunch of lies. You can spin it all you want but Bush is reponsible for the deaths of more than 3700 americans and should be tried from murder!
So...what exactly is Bush saying?
Is he saying that a fellow Republican (Gerald Ford) was wrong for ordering troops to retreat from Vietnam in 1975?
Is he saying that we should have stayed there longer than the 16 years that we did?
Is he saying that we couldn't defeat communism in those 16 years, and it's going to take that long to get the same result in Iraq?
Is he saying there are similarities between Iraq and Vietnam, after telling us for four and a half years that there wasn't?
What he said doesn't make much sense.
Because, if he and Cheney feel that way about Vietnam, then the two of them shouldn't have done everything they could to avoid service over there!
He lied to get us in Iraq, and he kept on lying to keep us there. I can't see what makes anyone think that he wouldn't lie again.
So...what exactly is Bush saying?
Is he saying that a fellow Republican (Gerald Ford) was wrong for ordering troops to retreat from Vietnam in 1975?
Is he saying that we should have stayed there longer than the 16 years that we did?
Is he saying that we couldn't defeat communism in those 16 years, and it's going to take that long to get the same result in Iraq?
Is he saying there are similarities between Iraq and Vietnam, after telling us for four and a half years that there wasn't?
What he said doesn't make much sense.
Because, if he and Cheney feel that way about Vietnam, then the two of them shouldn't have done everything they could to avoid service over there!
He lied to get us in Iraq, and he kept on lying to keep us there. I can't see what makes anyone think that he wouldn't lie again.
Why does Bush hate Americans?
"Liberals are invested in seeing their own country defeated"....??? CLASSIC FASCIST METHODOLOGY!!! This ridiculous statement could not be farther from the TRUTH. (remember the THRUTH?) The urgent interest is in protecting our way of life our constitution our DEMOCRACY from the fascists who are now in control and creating an ever expanding DISASTER. Anyone who still supports this corrupt administration is either too ignorant to see the TRUTH or is complicit in their CRIMES.
ACCORDING TO THE SERBS CLINTON (AKA: SLICK WILLY) WAS A MASS MURDER IN KOSOVO!

Do you remember when President Bill Clinton (aka: Slick Willy) took to the airwaves to explain to the American people more about his decision to begin bombing Serbian targets in Yugoslavia.

Clinton called the attacks a "moral imperative" for the United States, and decried the Serbian military action in Kosovo saying that Yugoslav troops were engaged in "shelling civilians and torching their houses."

The president accused Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic of pouring "gasoline on the flames" of unrest in the region, and said that "all the ingredients for a major war are there," warning that fighting would escalate in the absence of U.S. and NATO action.

Clinton drew a parallel between the ethnic fighting in the Balkans with the advent of World War One and the Holocaust of World War Two, saying that "in both wars, Europe was slow to recognize the danger, and the United States waited even longer to enter the conflict."
Vern - Has anyone OTHER than Bush or members of his administration said that the surge is working?  Not that there have been limited successes in small areas, but that overall, the strategy is working.  I don't recall seeing anything, but if I missed it please point me in the right direction.  
Whack-a-mole here, whack-a-mole there, whack-a-mole, whack-a-mole the surge is working everywhere...for a week or two.
Iraq will be Presiden Bush's lagacy. Must it be our fate?
Of course, the old bait and switch. If you don't agree with the Repubs, you are a traitor, or terrorist. Just because some liberals happen to believe that war is wrong and a wrong war is evil. If speaking your mind can now be equated with anti-Americanism and is a crime...oh, wait, it is, isn't it?
The surge is not working and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot!
Class Warrior..."No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people" P.T. Barnum referring to his freak show.....kinda weird it appropriately applies to the freak show we currently have in the administration and the 2 head geeks.
Carrie - U.S. Rep. Brian Baird (D-WA) says the surge is working.  Last I looked, he's not in the Bush Administration.

Baird said he would not say this if he didn't believe two things:

• "One, I think we're making real progress."

• "Secondly, I think the consequences of pulling back precipitously would be potentially catastrophic for the Iraqi people themselves, to whom we have a tremendous responsibility … and in the long run chaotic for the region as a whole and for our own security."

Biard sees the writing on the wall.  The US is winning the war, and then will win the peace.
Jerry you want to know who the BIGGEST 3 LIBERALS that ever were FDR got us out of the Depression passed Social Security and a few other things Truman led the charge for Medicare and was not afraid to use the Bomb WHEN NEEDED. The Last was Johnson did more for the poor besides FDR but for Vietnam had a great run.
pat p...Buddy! Why don't you go ahead and prove us idiots wrong? Pack up your family and buy a nice little place in the Baghdad 'burbs overlooking the Tigris?

Put your money where your mouth is Big Guy.
Once again, Steven P., why is victory so important if it's undefined?  If it was wrong to go there, why is winning so important?  The comparisons to Vietnam grow closer and scarier everyday.
Jerry you want to know who the BIGGEST 3 LIBERALS that ever were FDR got us out of the Depression passed Social Security and a few other things Truman led the charge for Medicare and was not afraid to use the Bomb WHEN NEEDED. The Last was Johnson did more for the poor besides FDR but for Vietnam had a great run.


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And the national debt for supporting all these failed social programs is $8,977,707,868,404.48.  Makes that $25 billion a month spent on the war that one guy is screaming about on these boards seem like chickenfeed.
Cleatus/jerry
$9 trillion spent on programs intended for all Americans over the past 70 years or so.
About $6 billion spent in 5 years on a war intended to get haliburton and big business rich.
Which is the better deal?
It's 9 Billion a month you idiot ! or whatever !
How can any of you even begin to KNOW or figure out what shrub is saying or what he means.
HE DOES NOT KNOW HIMSELF.
Why even listen to him, he is evil, vile, and dimwitted, his list of excuses are endless.
He has not has a thought in in head, EVER.
Someone else writes this crap for him to read and he can barely do that.

If hysterical histronics are all that the liberals can come up with then Bush must be doing something right. [ Or the Dems doing something wrong. Read todays liberal GUARDIAN[UK] which heads up a scathing critique of the bovine blunder recently committed by Dem.senator Carl Levin regarding Maliki].
            Unable to debate the patent military successes of the Surge[Fallujah is now described by 3d Marine commanders as ''completely quiet''[Michael Yon,who is in that city],the nascent Democrat leaders now stress the ''political''vice ''military''failures conveniently forgetting that if there is no military success,there will be no political one either. They have painted themselves into a trap.
                In light of this,MOVEON has assembled a hitlist of those pro-Surge,await-developments legislators That Must Go in order to fulfill their tunnel-vision of a new leftwinged America. Of the thirty-plus senators and congresssmen targeted,nearly 70% of these are Democrats.[ the full list can be viewed at www.instapundit.com]. Internecine warfare has broken out among the Democrat parties two wings and it is getting uglier.
                 Meanwhile,Bush,with his immigration fiasco temporarily behind him,sees an uptick in his poll numbers from Republicans coming back into the fold, while Congresses drop to their lowest levels since GALLUP began recording such approval ratings over thirty years ago. Hillary will also have to now deal with the fact that declassified CIA documents, in a study of the agencies pre-9/11 preparedness,show that her husband was dishonest when he asserted,in an emotional interview before FOX NEWS Chris Wallace last year,that he ordered that bin Laden be killed when he did no such thing. Indeed,the study finds that John Ashcroft was vindicated by claims that the erection of the infamous ''Wall''[Reno JD,1995] between intelligence services that created inertia and confusion on how to handle the presence of al Qaeda members within the country, nearly two years before 9/11,lead to a total breakdown of vital intelligence.
                All across Iraq,we are hearing military accounts of how well the Surge is not only working in its military aspect,but its political one as well,if only at the province-by-province level. More and more Sunnis are taking up arms against al Qaeda. The US 82nd is clearing Shia militia members from Sadr City in a grid pattern modeled on the still-successful Ramadi operations in July as a portion of PHANTOM THUNDER and ITHACA. Hundreds of soldiers in Iraq have written in mil-blogs to criticize the ''Seven Soldiers Letter''[''The War As We Saw It''] printed in the New York Times as ''filled with errors''[BLACKFIVE].
               Democrats,having demanded a democratic election in Iraq, now demand that Maliki be deposed,as if they had anything to do with directing Iraqs political future. A sense of confusion and misdirection has mission-creeped the party and it is locked in stalemate unable to cow Bush, get its own agendas through, or come up with a proven solution to the Iraq problem,while tandemly dealing with pressures from its own wings.


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