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Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:10 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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*** The Best Analogy? Two days after Clinton and McCain spoke to the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Kansas City, and a day after Obama and Thompson did the same, President Bush addresses the group this morning. Per excerpts released by the White House, Bush will say that the surge is working and that withdrawal from Iraq could lead to the same killing of innocent lives like we saw after leaving Vietnam. “One unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America’s withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like ‘boat people,’ ‘re-education camps,’ and ‘killing fields,’” the president is expected to say. Yet not only does such a comparison invite Bush to being asked about the tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians who have already died since the war began, it also raises this question: Does Bush really want to compare Iraq to Vietnam? "Does he think we should have stayed in Vietnam?" Vietnam historian Stanley Karnow says in USA Today

*** Coming Soon To A TV Screen Near You: Also, don’t miss the news that a conservative group -- whose spokesman is former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer -- is going up today with a $15 million advertising campaign arguing that the troop surge is working. Those ads will compete against ones that antiwar groups (like Americans Against Escalation in Iraq and Americans United for Change) are/will be airing. The battle to define Petraeus’ September report is already beginning.

*** The Real Political Fight Going On: Giuliani’s campaign yesterday decided to respond to the veiled attacks coming from the Romney and Thompson camps. While not attacking Giuliani by name, they certainly attacked "New York City" on the issues of immigration and guns. Here’s Giuliani spokesperson Katie Levinson responding directly to Thompson's blog post on New York City's gun policies: "Those who live in New York in the real world -- not on TV -- know that Rudy Giuliani's record of making the city safe for families speaks for itself. No amount of political theater will change that." Bottom line, folks: The media may care more about Clinton vs. Obama right now, but Giuliani vs. Thompson/Romney is where the real action has been this week.

VIDEO: NBC's Political Director Chuck Todd offers his first read on Mitt Romney's and Fred Thompson's attacks on Republican presidential frontrunner Rudy Giuliani.

*** A Chain Reaction? As we reported last week, Michigan is working to move up its primary to January 15, leapfrogging it -- for now -- past New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina (although New Hampshire will obviously move up to remain the nation’s first primary). In response to Michigan’s move, Biden released this statement yesterday: “Powerful interests are trying to change the Democratic nomination for President into a game of Monopoly, replacing the retail politics of Iowa, Nevada and New Hampshire with a process in which the only credential necessary to be President is to be the wealthiest candidate.” He then called on his Dem rivals to join him to ensure those states’ primacy on the nominating calendar. Will this lead to the candidates promising to skip Michigan? Which Democrats will join Biden’s call? Remember, this Michigan legislation isn't a done deal yet, so maybe the state legislators will compromise to end up on January 22 instead of the 15th, which would potentially preserve (at a minimum) the influence of Iowa and New Hampshire.

*** Bayou bashing: Although the presidential race is dominating most of the nation’s political talk, things are getting downright ugly in this year’s Louisiana gubernatorial contest. The state Democratic Party there is running a TV ad blasting front-runner Bobby Jindal (R), a Catholic, for writing an article back in the 1990s comparing Catholicism with Protestantism. The ad, which is airing in the Protestant-heavy north part of the state, goes: "He wrote articles that insulted thousands of Louisiana Protestants. He has referred to Protestant religions as scandalous, depraved, selfish, and heretical." Jindal, the overwhelming favorite to be the state’s next governor, has called the accusations false. With the election 59 days away, will the ad hurt him, possibly keeping him below the 50% needed to avoid a run-off? Or will it produce backlash on the Dems? One thing’s for sure: Nonpartisan political analyst Stu Rothenberg is calling it one of the “hardest hitting” -- and possibly even the “dirtiest” ad -- in history.
 

*** On The Trail: Biden and Richardson participate in a Brookings Institution/University of Nevada, Reno forum on education. Before that, they address the Nevada AFL-CIO convention. Elsewhere, Giuliani rallies with supporters in Del Mar, CA; Huckabee continues to campaign in South Carolina; Hunter holds a press conference in Texas; Obama raises money in New Hampshire, campaigns in New York, and then appears on Comedy Central’s Daily Show; and Romney visits Jackson Hole, WY.

Countdown to MA-05 Special Election: 12 days
Countdown to LA GOV election: 59 days
Countdown to Election Day 2007: 76 days
Countdown to LA GOV run-off (if necessary): 87 days
Countdown to Iowa: 144 days
Countdown to Tsunami Tuesday: 166 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 440 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 517 days

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The George Bush-ultimate ruler, big buda, master of nothing Iraqi report on the failed war/ political  strategy effort in Iraq report. Gee I can't wait.
Hey - I know EVERYTHING about the Viet Nam war - I flew a barstool through the entire thing,  heh heh.
For those few who did not know that Czar George II was a bloodthirsty coward, he proved it for you. He thinks it would have been a swell idea if Americans were still dying in VietNam.
Bush babbles about Vietnam.
Clinton Triangulates
Fleischer stretches (credulity) a mite
Edwards ankle bites
Obama sets his sights
Thompson flies a kite
Congress orders another Margarita

Mean while would somebody stop that dripping noise!

Killed in Action the first 22 days of August
Total 67
US: 63  
UK: 4  
How could the VFW even sit and listen to this cowardly liar.It was just another sign of his stupidity to even mention vietnam---the same vietnam that he was too cowardly to take part in,but claimed to support.Everday without fail this guy farts in public.
Dawn, I wondered the same thing
All audiences that Bush has are totally screened. Only  the most loyal are seated near by. A large white banner is unfurled so that any disturbances are blocked from HIS HINASSES view.
The organizer have  a journal they must follow so that the royal shrub is not exposed to any dissent.
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST THAN THE IMBECILIC BOY NEXT!
There is no comparison of Iraq and Nam. Johnson was much more popular than Bush.
Yes I admit it I'am a fundementaly flawed President. So what, can't do anything about it. ha..ha !
I think Van is hilarious!! Who has time to cut and paste those long post??
Now your talking like a liberal Sierra. Right on sister!
Gary Schear...
Your 2:22 post is printed out in 72 point type and posted in a very public place, circled in red.  As the Zen masters say, "precisely."
Van you and Hillary are my heros.
I want Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Rove, Rice and company in jail. Forget impeachment.
Bush doesn't care about anyone but himself. He's ready to go golfing tomorrow. Just a rotten person through and through. 14 more soldiers die and 500 Iraqis last week and he couldn't care less.
When did I start to agree with Jerry?? Yes, NO is still in peril, it's shocking that people still do not realize that city is still in shambles. That is the most demeaning spot on Bush's record IMO other than Iraq.
##### IMPEACH BUSH...PASS IT ON ##### ................. IMPEACH BUSH...PASS IT ON........ I CAN'T HEAR YOU !
Van wrote, "Read the whole article for yourself. Don't let other people FILTER your news. Go to the sources. Read for yourself. Become an informed voter."

The article is about a poll. How is reading an article about a poll supposed to make me an "informed voter?" I don't make my decision on who to vote based on some poll. What is with your fixation with Clinton when the idiot in the White House just compared Iraq to Vietnam? And, what's with the lengthy posts?
CJ, you agreed with Jerry too?  Whooo what a relief! I thought I'd stepped into the Twilight Zone. I get Time at home and read that article. The mismanagement of funds and poor planning go back to the 1920's. And the politics in Louisiana don't help the situation.
As for Mr. Bush, he's got a lot of nerve talking to veterans about any war! And that's all I have to say on the subject as most of you said it far better than I could.
Peter...he thinks it impresses people
" Van wrote, "Read the whole article for yourself. Don't let other people FILTER your news. Go to the sources. Read for yourself. Become an informed voter."

The article is about a poll. How is reading an article about a poll supposed to make me an "informed voter?" I don't make my decision on who to vote based on some poll. What is with your fixation with Clinton when the idiot in the White House just compared Iraq to Vietnam? And, what's with the lengthy posts?

Peter, Pittsburgh, PA (Sent Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:42 PM)"

Thank you for the? As your entire post is dedicated to me, allow me to assist your understanding;

Items today were posted HOURS after they were submitted.

Exhorting people to go to the source is something I do for EVERY post, not just the one you saw. Oddly, had you searched the site the link led to, there were many other items there that an interested person could have  perhaps read.

Encouraging people to read for themselves rather than rely on a single quote culled from a long speech, or article, is   done in the interest of working towards a better informed public.  
The length of a post often has to do with the nature of the subject matter.

Thanks for asking.

Van

Glad to see everyone is staying on their therapy regime.

And Vanreuter is still using an inordinate amount of space.

Ho hum.

Anybody hear about that CIA report that came out last week?
Richard, Washington State

yes.

Van
So Bsb, what you saying is, is that if 50000 troops are killed in Iraq, then Bush will be as popular as Johnson?
Mark Thieme--Now if was just in front of a webcam.
Good to type to you again Mark..long time no post.
Holy smokes... talk about the pot calling the kettle black! When you read Bush's speech in its entirety http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/08/20070822-3.html he talks about WWII, Vietnam and the Iraq wars as being wars fought over differences in ideology. It seems like suddenly he is getting a clue.

Bush says "Like our enemies in the past, they [terrorists in Iraq] kill Americans because we stand in their way of imposing this ideology across a vital region of the world."

Unfortunately he's got it backwards. Wasn't it Bush's idea to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq? Who is imposing ideologies here. In fact isn't the decadence and moral bankruptcy of western culture what got these militant fundamentalist terror groups' panties in a bunch in the first place? Don't kid yourselves, its not freedom and democracy Al Queda objects to, its Paris Hilton, topless bars and installing puppet politicians with western agendas in Arab states (remember the Shah of Iran?) that these guys hate... and perhaps rightly so.
"Wastin' away again in Margaritaville....searchin' for my lost shaker of salt...."--Jimmy Buffett
Richard  YES
Richard, yep.
Dorothy, Help, I need somebody...
Dorothy, Help! I need somebody...


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