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Posted: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:20 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** The Durham Bulls: After being mostly overshadowed by their Democratic counterparts so far this campaign season, the Republican presidential candidates step into the political spotlight today -- on two different coasts. The already announced candidates (Brownback, Giuliani, Huckabee, Hunter, McCain, Paul, Romney, and Tancredo) participate in their fifth debate from Durham, NH. It airs on FOX beginning at 9:00 pm ET, and it’s moderated by Brit Hume, with Chris Wallace and Wendell Goler also asking questions. The last time these guys debated, right before the Ames straw poll, Brownback engaged Romney on abortion. Where will the fireworks come from this time? Will Romney hit Giuliani on immigration? Will Brownback, after his disappointing finish in Ames, once again go after Romney? And will they all gang up on Fred Thompson, who isn’t on the stage but officially gets into the race tomorrow?

*** “Experience” Is No Longer An Issue In Just The Dem Race: Here’s something else to watch for at the debate: It looks like McCain has his sights set on front-runners Giuliani and Romney. Yesterday, in addition to taking some questions from high schoolers in New Hampshire (“Thanks for the question, you little jerk,” he joked to one yesterday), McCain said 1) that he was the sole major GOP candidate to criticize Donald Rumsfeld’s strategy for the war and 2) that his national security credentials are better than Giuliani’s and Romney’s. “I think the nation respects the mayor’s leadership after 9/11, and I do, too, and I think he displayed leadership at a time that Americans needed some steady hand,” McCain said, per the "> New York Times. “[But] I don’t think it translates, necessarily, into foreign policy or national security expertise. I know of nothing in his background that indicates that he has any experience in it, with him or Romney.”

*** Putting The Toothpaste Back Into The Tube: And here’s another topic we will probably see the GOP candidates respond to tonight… As Arlen Specter hinted at on Sunday, Larry Craig is indeed reconsidering his decision to resign. Mitch McConnell's worst nightmare may now be realized: There's nothing the Senate GOP wants less than to see Craig drag this out. That said, Craig's clearly looking for a fight, and since he feels as if everyone in the Senate abandoned him (sans Specter), he probably isn't willing to listen to any reason from his GOP colleagues. Perhaps the compromise the party could hope for at this point is for Craig to stay in office but not run for re-election. The REAL nightmare for McConnell and Co. would be for Craig to be on the '08 ballot. What's not clear in all this is what Craig wants to get out of this. Will fighting really rehabilitate his image or only begin encouraging more rumor-mongering and stalling any hope he has of actually doing what he's setting out to do: proving his innocence? Should be interesting tonight to watch the GOP presidential candidates on stage tonight having to react to this latest Craig news.

*** “Heeeeere’s Fred…”: While his soon-to-be rivals debate in New Hampshire, Fred Thompson appears on The Tonight Show in Los Angeles, as well as in a TV commercial that will run on FOX during the debate. The last time an actor went on Leno to announce his bid for higher office (officially or unofficially) was when Arnold Schwarzenegger visited the Burbank studio in 2003. But there won’t be nearly the surprise there was four years ago: We already know he’s in. On Thursday, Thompson begins a five-day announcement tour that takes him to Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. In addition to the ad that will air during tonight’s debate, NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell reports that a similar TV ad will air on FOX on Thursday (the difference between the spots boils down to a time reference noting before and after Thompson actually declares). 

*** Goin’ South: The most under-reported story of the presidential race today is Mitt Romney's decision to finally go up with broadcast TV ads in South Carolina. The sustained broadcast ad campaign in Iowa and New Hampshire helped propel Romney to the top of the polls in both of those early states. But South Carolina has been a different story. Will Romney show real progress after a few weeks of being on the air there? If he does, then he can be the nominee. If he doesn't, then he could be in big trouble. More importantly, will the rest of the front-runners (read: Giuliani and Thompson in particular) allow Romney to be on the air alone in perhaps the single most important state on the GOP side?

*** On The Trail: Elsewhere today, Clinton, in Philadelphia, participates in a Club 44 “Women Win With Hillary" panel and event; Obama campaigns in Iowa before heading to Chicago; and Richardson stumps in South Carolina.

*** Bill Clinton and Experience: On TODAY, in his most extensive discussion on the politics of the 2008 election, Bill Clinton beat back Matt Lauer’s question of whether experience really matters. Lauer tried to remind the “Comeback Kid” that he wasn’t exactly the most experienced candidate in ’92. Clinton replied that he was the most experienced governor in the country and had the right experience for the time. Clinton also deflected Obama’s talking point that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld had plenty of experience, saying -- though somewhat botched -- that if a couple of doctors committed malpractice, that wouldn’t mean you’d stop going to doctors. By the way, how come Bill Richardson hasn’t complained that Hillary stole his change-and-experience line?

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Countdown to LA GOV run-off (if necessary): 73 days
Countdown to Iowa: 131 days
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Here is a rant for all. I hear Clinton this ,and Bush that ,and now Fred .Has anyone stopped to think they'er all polititians .I do not presume to base my morals or my personal beliefs on a politician reguardless of thier political reflection. Again a man or woman is seen by thier actions not words .Clinton the 1st overall did well for America as by what was seen by the overall global population has seen , Bush is doing piss poor by global population standards ,but what does it matter when they all change thier political party line like they change thier underwear. They all recieve campaign contributions from the same corrupt corporate entities ;eg. law firms ,real estate, big oil, prescription drug, and lobbyist all. The only difference is Fred does not have to account for his contributions. Know knowing that ;who do you think owns thier loyalty?
Independent, I agree with you but don't hold your breath expecting Sen. Craig to champion the plight of gays who suffer from the very same tactics and seek changes. He is out for number one only and wants special treatment. Did I just give a definition of a neocon?  

One the other hand, it is the setting, not the soliciting that is crucial in this case. People have an expectation of being solicited in a bar or possibly on the street. People are in a vulnerable position and expect privacy in a restroom. Unwanted solicitation in a restroom is a nuisance activity imposed upon a captive audience and should be suppressed thought jail time would be inappropriate.

It is why, for instance, smoking should be banned on airplane flights with violators punished but not jailed.  Personally I think the police should go after unwanted commercial solicitation, scam, phishing via phones, cell phones, mail, fax, email, etc and the most egregious violators should go to jail.
Seems like Hillary's Money man (HSU) has gone missing again:

She can't seem to keep track of where her "men" are

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RFDRS80&show_article=1
No jeffersonion the people do control things ask santorium the highest ranking republican who ignored his people so he could toe the party line or weldon who spread corrupt money around and still lost.It is people like you who would like to convince people the system is hopeless.It is not.If you work at it little ole you can make a difference,vote.Work for a canidate ,maybe one who knows how comprimise works ,the demos didnt shut the lights out .they didnt threaten the nuclear option of filibustering,they did not shut the microphones off like sensinburger,you work with people trying to destoy soething that can never be perfect the american revolution happens everytime we vote.It might get rough so hide your head if you need someone to fight for your rights.
nuanced (Sent Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:53 PM)

Thanks!

You are the first person to raise the point of expectation based on location. That is not something I'd thought of before.

Still in all, as long as such "invitation" does not involve touching or, er, display, doesn't it still fall under freedom of speech?

I am REALLY not trying to get myself glued to a position and will gladly change it but I am still bothered by all this. You can imagine, I'm certain, how uncomfortable I feel raising a "rights" issue for such a hypocrite.

Such is the price of being a fair minded person, I guess.
Many years ago, I left a party after having too much to drink and on the way home, I pulled over off of the highway, turned the car off and 'tok a nap'. A police officer stopped and arrested me for suspician of DUII.  The DA offered me a plea bargain taking the charge down to reckless driving which I refused for two reasons:  My insurance rate would go through the roof and I was not driving.  He then offered me careless driving.  My choice then was to accept the offer - my insurance rates would not go up - or go to court on the oringinal DUI charge.  I pleaded guilty to careless driving.
I am a true Blue liberal Democrat, but I wonder if Craig pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge rather than go through a very messy trial facing a Class C felony charge of lewd and lacivious behavior; a charge by the way, based on the arrest documents, that several of my colleagues and I believe could be refuted rather easily in court.
I am in no way attempting to mimimize Mr. Craig's actions, but just point out that sometimes pleading guilty to a lessor offense is worse than standing trial.  Afterall, it is his guilty plea that seems to have casued his former 'friends' in the Senate Republican caucus to abaondon him so readily.  
Craig wants to fight this because he is deeply, deeply in denial about his sexuality...and so blinded by the desparate need to prove the "I'm not gay" assertion that he doesn't see that it'll hurt his party. It's almost pathetic, watching this debacle---both for Craig, and for the Republicans---unfold.
It should be a boost for the Dems if they weren't backing a candidate with a past that looks like red meat to the Republican Smear Sharks.  By the time they're done with her, she'll be wearing a scarlet letter ("D" for Dem or "L" for liberal, maybe), the Democratic hopes of regaining the White House will be in rags,and another shrub clone will be in the White House.  Unless the Dems nominate someone squeaky-clean (at least in appearance, which is all that really counts in politics) to compare favorably to the Republican Gay Old Party Culture of Corruption, the sad ind of the '08 race WILL happen as I've predicted.
A republican congressman dead this morning.  Will the truth out?
Beaten by the system of guilty until proven innocennt,welcome to america under republican rule if you think Craig got a bad deal just think off those suckers in cuba gitmo.Or maybe how we treated Iraqis in abu graub or all the innocents in jail for weed,or black people charged and convicted by rasist cops and district attorneys or the courts in the 50s siding with the racists,that is how it happens now you worry because a guy who worried about getting his pants dirty tried to pick up toilet paper of the same dirty floor and wipe his a$$ with it defies logic so has everything else they have done
another republican (former) congresswoman found dead in her apartment today.  "Natural causes."

watch the hand that is not moving...
if you believe the media spin on these two deaths at this propitious time, you deserve to live in the dark.
Many years ago, I left a party after having too much to drink and on the way home, I pulled over off of the highway, turned the car off and 'tok a nap'. A police officer stopped and arrested me for suspician of DUII.


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Good Lord!  Where was this officer when Teddy K. was roaming free on the roads?  Need more like this man.
Carrie, Eastern Iowa--No offense taken. It is all in what you are willing to risk. Love and lust are wonderful things and if the mood strikes a couple and they are willing to risk the attending embarrassment of a public lewd behavior arrest then go for it.(I wouldn't know but I have heard that Back Yard trampolines under the starry Big Sky are very Romantic)
One should be aware, however, of the potential career damage that could occur to educators, politicians, Law enforcement types, lawyers, doctors and such. I didn't say it wasn't normal, just risky. As for hooking up in a bathroom with a stranger for casual physical releases? That is not normal nor is it safe nor is it smart. But I wish Senator Craig all the best in retaining his seat and fighting for his good name right up until the '08 election. GO Larry!
Juan in Ft. Lauderdale:

Please get your facts straight before you make slanderous allegations.  Craig is NOT a Mormon. He is a Methodist. Now, please elborate about your bigotry against all Methodists please.
It is getting dangerous out there... in more ways than one.  Something is up.  

Will we ever know the truth?  Or will we be watching the gyrating hand and arguing about other ancient unsolved mysteries while the smoke and mirrors make fools of us again? Who knows?

"'After the fact' is better than 'caught in the act.'"
Layman Pang

Ken ,no use in arguing .YOU MADE MY POINT! I do vote in all municipal to national elections.I have even worked within the government estab. so I know a thing or two about the 2 party corruption. Quiz :was the U.S. always a 2 party system ?,2 why did it change? Now you know why I do not believe in the corrupt 2 party system ,and 3 look up Jeffersonian and tell me what were the principles behind it? You see I do believe in an America for Americans where we the people should stand together and say enough in fighting ,or get you sh@$ together and get out! Polarization is tearing us appart as a nation. I ;however, did not say stand idley by and as you imply"bury your head in the sand ". Act ,We the People.
Alpha Bear

I know about Gilmore
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20605612/

who was the 2nd one?
Paul - Actually, no it doesn't irritate my intelligence.  I think the same thing was true in 2004 and I said as much.  
Alpha Bear, Dunn and Gillmor? Sounds like a law firm.
'...This tiny little universe, with it's dedicated band of Hillary-haters, is not representative of the electorate at large......'

Gee, vanreuter thanks for clearing that up !!
I alway thought I was 'every man', vox populi !!
and totally groovy !!

You've opened up my eyes !!
Ken , Don't get me wronge .I admire your conviction .I just think those convictions would be better served; if instead of hate and distrust ,we all would do a little more research into our candidates and had the fore sight to look beyond party lines. I am a registered Dem. ,but have voted Rebub. because it is not all black and white , and No , I did not vote Repub in the last two! Research denied that vote.
'sierra, get off the drugs and you wont be so suspicious of the clintons as much. you are a libertarian and will vote for ron paul, right? so go for it. we know just how much you hate woman now too.   G'.....

Gee, G you always make a LOT OF SENSE.......
Have you ever considered a career in PHILOSOPHY ?

;-0
Gary - That is assuming that the actual sexual encounter was going to take place in the bathroom.  There is no proof that Craig intended to complete the act, so to speak, in the bathroom.  
Jeffersonian Don (Sent Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:57 PM)

completely concur that is why I am...
Return to the Field of Dreams...
Had a radio show once where I did a character named "Richard Cranium."  Just mimicked Brit Hume.  An easy pimp.
Sounds like more unintentional humor.
Carrie, Eastern Iowa-- Larry Craig is not lying when he says he believes he isn't gay. He has compartmentalized his life into "Larry Craig, Family Guy, Church elder, and US Senator" and "Larry, seeker of what ever Larry wants". Pardon the conjecture but I don't believe people who meet in bathrooms will end up looking into each others eyes over a margarita in the airport Friday's. They will end up in the same stall with each other for about 5 minutes and then go their separate ways. Larry(Leisure suit) wouldn't want Senator Larry Craig to know anyone personally who would do something like that.
But you are correct. There is no proof other than his admission of guilt to avoid publicity. He could well retain his seat and fight this up to the election. I hope that he does.
Could be Larry the Senator against gays has some leverage with the ethics committee.
He has the goods on all the boys who play the gay card when ever the "spirit' moves them.
jerry=carrie
Gary - Who says he is gay?  A man who occasionally has sex with another man (if he even does, which I'm not sure there is any proof of anyway) but predominantly has sex with the female sex is not gay.  Call him bisexual, call him bicurious, but don't call him gay because he is not - unless, of course, his preference is for homosexuality but he represses it and pretends to like women.  
Carrie, Eastern Iowa--Carrie, re-read the post. I didn't say he was gay. I said I believe him when he says he believes he isn't gay. I don't think it would be correct to call him bi or bi curious either because he would tell you and he believes that he isn't. I'll take him at his word.
From all reports there are 25 years of rumours and one individual who thinks he may know what the senator tastes like. All unsubstantiated as far as I know. If this is how the Senator likes to get off then that is fine by me. And IF this is true, (note the big IF) judging from his legislative record and his rhetoric I do know one thing we can call him. A hypocrite. A hypocrite who has no problem looking down his nose at a group of people, acting against those people using his position and then turning around and engaging in the same behavior he says he abhors. The only reason we are talking about this is that HE pleaded guilty to dubious charges to avoid the spotlight. Not the path I would expect of a God fearing, church going, patriotic, family values, real man, Republican.
Gary - Just because you believe something about yourself doesn't make it true.  I could believe that I sing like Dianna Ross and look like Cindy Crawford, but that doesn't mean I do.  

Sadly, because of the stigma that still attaches to homosexual activity, many people not only don't come out of the proverbial closet but they don't even admit to themselves what their preferences are.  I'm not saying this is true with Craig, but he would certainly fit the pattern of someone who would be in denial simply because the idea of him liking sexual activity with a man is so far removed from his concept of himself that it just doesn't register.  
Carrie, Eastern Iowa--I agree. I think he is in denial. Just my opinion and I'm nobody. When this story broke my first reaction and first post, expressed sympathy for the human tragedy that he and more importantly is wife and children are going through. But also sad is the fact that he is a major contributor to the stigma that you described. His words and actions as an elected official have hurt people. Prevented loving parents from the joy of adopting, raising, and loving a child.
If the allegations are true he is a hypocrite bastard who sees himself above the very laws that he seeks to impose on others.
If the allegations are false he is a self-righteous bastard who seeks to use his office to create laws to impose his morality on others. Either way he is a bastard and Karma has done its job.


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