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Memorex-Blogging Tonight's Debate

Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:09 AM by Chuck Todd

From NBC’s Chuck Todd
Since I didn’t get to live-blog like my colleagues Mark and Domenico, I did keep notes as if I were live-blogging, so here are my running debate thoughts:

The potshots at Fred were something else. McCain’s ”bedtime” remark was bitter. Romney seemed to soften his attack on him a bit by being a little more good-natured about welcoming him.  Meanwhile, Giuliani’s smart remark about “Law and Order” was tough too. Overall, interesting tactic because all the potshots do serve Thompson well in this one respect: it entrenches him as one of the frontrunners. Just acknowledging his presence as the opening question helped Thompson become an immediate debate winner.

-- The first REAL question was about immigration and the moderators attempted to get Giuliani and Romney into a tiff. Romney cooperated and took a direct shot at Giuliani. Giuliani, however, decided NOT to engage Romney by name. He defended himself but didn’t necessarily acknowledge Romney. That had to be a bit frustrating to the Romney folks.

-- Huckabee’s FEDEX analogy on tracking immigrants was effective. The guy is good at simplifying a problem and talking, well, like a normal person.

-- During the wide shot, the dark suits of the entire field and the ultra white faces are an interesting contrast with the Democratic field. It’s not a new thought but it is striking to those of us who watch these debates so closely.

-- Tancredo’s Buchanan impersonation is getting better but it’s still just that, an imitation.

-- Romney is trying just a bit too hard to draw out Giuliani...

-- Is anyone else surprised that Brownback decided to stay in this race after the Ames Straw Poll? His role in this primary seems more diminished.

-- Romney’s abortion answer was closer to being pro-choice than he answered before. His campaign will flip out at that thought, but the fact that he singled out showing compassion for the mother in this potential abortion situation is telling.

-- Rudy deftly handled the gun question by turning it into a crime answer.

-- Ron Paul is the most fascinating candidate to watch at these debates for this one reason: you don’t have an idea of where he’ll come down on an issue. The airline answer and arming folks at airports was, um, unique.

-- McCain was methodical tonight; at points REALLY on his game and very funny; at other times he was almost OVERLY serious.

-- Giuliani is continuing to play for that McCain endorsement...

-- Why is Romney saying “if the surge is working”; it’s interesting that he’s leaving himself A LOT OF wiggle room on whether the surge is working. It left him wide open for that McCain attack.

-- Whoa, did Huckabee just invoke the Colin Powell “Pottery Barn” if you break it, you fix it, line? Also, while defending the need for the surge, it does sound like Huckabee did acknowledge that he thinks going into Iraq was a “mistake.”  BTW, what Ron Paul did for Giuliani in one of the first debates, he’s doing for Huckabee this debate.  

-- Did anyone else wonder when Ron Paul was going to simply say, “HEY KIDS, GET OFF MY LAWN!”

-- Hunter seems to enjoy of playing the role of his party’s Irving Berlin... He’s Mr. Patriot, always ready with a compliment that can get the audience to applaud. But his role in the primary seems less certain now than before. Just what wing of the party isn’t being represented that needs Hunter in the race?

-- For all the sucking up that the Romney campaign does for Fox, you’d think the network’s debate organizers would be a little nicer with their questions. Not so tonight. He seemed to get the brunt of the most negative-worded questions, be it from the moderators or the diner folks. It put Romney on the defensive for most of the night and guaranteed he was going to be one of tonight’s losers.

-- Just one comment on the production; Overall, the moderators did a solid job; no editorial gripes from here (though the diner break seemed over-produced); That said, my only production comment has to do with the various Dallas Cowboy “stars” that were behind the candidates via the backdrops. I know Fox is fired up about their NFC contract (game 1 on Sunday) but as someone who can’t stand the Cowboys, I wish I wasn’t seeing that star staring at me behind every candidate.

-- Giuliani was strong on why he didn’t sign the no-tax pledge. McCain struggled with the question (he was the other candidate on stage who didn’t sign the pledge; the other six did). As for Giuliani, he answered in a very presidential way.

-- Giuliani’s answer on the personal life issues wasn’t great. He’s answered it better. Overall, his attempt to waive off the issue is smart politics but I’ve heard him answer the question better. That said, it wasn’t horrible.

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Excuse my bluntness, but you're a moron if you have "no idea where [Ron Paul] will come down on an issue." You simply have not been paying attention. Fortunately, judging by the MASSIVE amount of support both inside and outside the debate arena, and from the home audience who voted him the clear winner of the Fox text message poll with about 35%, the American people aren't as ignorant as you are in these matters and are far more literate. Ron Paul is the only candidate with his finger on the pulse. He knows what it means to live in a truly free society and he is the most consistent politician I have ever seen in my life. What will it take to get responsible reporting in this country again? Are they giving out seminars on how to be a two bit hack? Are they giving journalism degrees out in boxes of Cracker Jacks? Some of you people are either a real disgrace or just bought and paid for like 90% of everything else in our waking lives these days.
This analysis of tonights debate sounds like something you would hear from a C student at a Vassar college kegger.  Bravo Chucky, what time does Olberman come on again?
Its interesting that FOX continues to have these text-in polls which PREVENT the same person from voting more than once, yet, explain the results (which they don't like) in terms of Ron Paul supporters voting again and again.  These dullards are afraid of the new political math.  Expect the text-in results to be scuttled or sidelined on their website.
Ron Paul could have done better if he stuck to what he is best at.  

After asking all the candidates about taxes, fox news suddenly switched the question when it was Ron Paul's turn. Did anyone else notice that? It was a leading question about which government agencies he ideally wanted to eliminate.

Ron Paul's stance on taxes is the most pro-Middle America of any candidate running for congress.  Look it up.  He advocates eliminating the IRS and replacing it with nothing.  Before 1913 the U.S. had no income tax.  Stop giving money to foreign countries and corporations and there would be much less of a need for an income tax. Less spending. Americans would be much richer.  The economy would be a million times better than Bush's worthless "250.00 tax cuts."  Give us a break.  Many households would would not absolutely need two incomes just to survive after we get rid of the income tax.

The inflation tax.  There is a reason why the dollar's value is going down in flames.  When the fed orders the Treasury to print off money to loan to Wall Street-n-friends after selling you high interest loans, the value of the money in your wallet loses value.  Look up Ron Paul's stance on the Federal Reserve, something no other candidate is talking about.  This is why average Americans are becoming poorer and Wall street and bankers richer. When considered, any talk about taxes that does not involve the Federal Reserve will never solve the problem. If you don't want to talk about the eliminating the income tax and federal reserve system, forget about solving America's tax problem.  It ain't gonna happen.  

Offer a text message poll.  Include an error response if any phone votes twice.  Grudgingly show Ron Paul handily winning the poll.  Scoff that his supporters are "spamming again".  Downplay or ignore the result.

Unbiased reporting.  Yep.

Who "won" the poll?  We already know that.

What will happen when these same real people vote for Paul in the election?  Guess it won't be up to Fox or any pundit then.
Thank you, MSNBC, for providing a way to air these post-story comments! Without them, lame attacks against great men like Ron Paul would go without question. The comments I've seen so far tell the REAL STORY. Paul has it right!! Time to get out of Iraq. Is there anyone out there who still thinks we should have stayed longer in Vietnam??
I found this summation of the Republican debate, um, unique. How can you have any credibility when you say that Dr. Paul is inconsistent in his positions? Aside from the fact that his positions are probably clearer than any other politician's in at least the last 30+ years, he has spoken many times about the danger people face in relying on government airline security procedures for their safety. He suggests that maybe people would be safer if, um, the airlines themselves implemented steps to keep their passengers and property secure.
Gotta love Ron Paul. Republicans won't nominate him.
Huckabee is like-able, coherent, and would have broad appeal in the General. Republicans would be smart to nominate him.
Just keep on knocking Ron Paul, and you will find yourself staring at the rear end of the biggest political story to hit this country since Watergate. We, the people, are who Dr. Paul is speaking to, and we, the people, understand very well what his message is. That message may sound strange to professional political pundits, because it consists very simply of one commodity that had all but disappeared from American political debate: the plain, unvarnished Truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vra9VSvA7zE

The Red State boys talking about Fred Thompson skipping the debate to  announce on Leno.
Chuck, you are either ignorant or dishonest in your analysis of Ron Paul's answers and positions. "Journalists" like you come cheap, and the people are waking up to this fact thanks to Ron Paul's campaign and the obvious bias the "news" media has against him. I wouldn't dream of voting for anyone else, and I will be registering as a Republican to do just that. Thank you, Ron Paul..please don't give up fighting for truth and liberty!
Ron Paul is the only Repub that sees and has the guts to speak the truth about Iraq. It'll doom his candicacy. What does this tell you about the GOP?
Wow, you guys call yourself bloggers, spinning comments out of context? Stop slowing down the only straight forward and honest canidate running.

Go Ron Paul!
Whoa..Chuck!  This is an unfortunate embarrassment for you.  You can say almost anything about Ron Paul except that his positions are not predictable and consistent.  

You should probably try to avoid parading your ignorance so glaringly in the future.
Please pick up the September 3, 2007 issue of Time Magazine and read the article MR. TOUGH TALK.  It is a fascinating look at Rudy Guiliani.  He definitely is NOT presidential material!  We do NOT need a GW Bush clone in 2008.  This country is in a terrible mess and the American people desperately want change. Rudy Guiliani just represents MORE OF THE SAME!!!
Ron the only viable repub candidate regardless of what stay the course main stream pauedo-journalist spin.
Once again, some brilliant analysis here Chuck.  Were you drinking during this thing?  I was, but at least I understood that Paul did not say to arm the passengers.  
Ron Paul while provocative and fiesty, frankly, is irrelevant.  His national poll #s are between 1-3% for August depending on which poll you use.  Thank goodness most of the American public see him, as I do, as a non-player in this election.
All I heard was a bunch of back-stabbing. Not much on the issues. A poor excuse for a debate
Why do you so-called journalists, reporters, commentators or whatever-the-hell you perceive yourselves to be think you have the god-given right to act like arrogant, ill-informed dictators of individual thought.  To hell with you snot-faced freaks. These blogs/columns are a total waste of time and creativity.  Have a really lousy day.
Chuck Todd: magnificent ignoramus or neo-con shill? You decide.
Results of FOX poll:

Ron Paul  - 33%
Huckabee  - 18%
Guiliani  - 15%
Romney    - 15%
McCain    - 12%

Why don't these numbers show up on Faux News anywhere?  What are they trying to hide? Ron Paul had twice as many votes as the "top tier" canidates.  Fox tried to say that the "Paulites" must have been continuously voting... but you were only allowed to vote once per phone number.  
BTW - MSNBC I expected better from you, but I knew that I shouldn't have, all the mass media is the same - they are against the constitution.
Todd, I thought your analysis was pretty lame.  Were we watching the same debate?  Two points come to mind.

First, I don't know how you can say Fred Thompson was a winner last night.  The guy didn't show for the debate and the other candidates' comments were none too flattering.  The overall message I took away from the Fred Thompson question was that this guy was dodging the people of New Hampshire and sooner or later would have to make an accounting for himself.  Definitely not a winner in my book.

Second, you totally misrepresented Ron Paul's position on guns and the airlines.  He didn't advocate arming the pasengers with guns.  He said airline security was the responsibility of the airlines not the federal government.  The implication was that the airlines should have armed security on the planes as opposed to our government having federal marshalls on the planes.  
Dam this writer just got pwned by the Ron Paul Revolution.  THis lazy writer has not idea what he's talking about, much like the scripted puppets trying to pin Ron Paul onto something silly, YOU CAN NOT, he is a good person, and MD, a Veteran and an AMERICAN.  Not unlike his CFR Presidential Candidates.  RON PAUL IS AGAINST THE NAU and SPP!  Keep America AMERICA
Ron Paul Won Post-Debate Text Poll. NH Fox GOP Debate, 9/5/07.
Final Results:

Ron Paul 33%
Huckabee- 18%
Giuliani- 15%
McCain- 14%
Romney- 12%
Hunter- 2%
Tancredo- 2%
Brownback- 1%

Strangely, I cannot find this anywhere in Fox site???

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Ron_Paul_wins_text_messaging_vote_0906.html
http://www.freewebs.com/ronpaulwinsdebate/

It appears that the real loser being discussed here is Chuck Todd.  Really, folks, if you go back through the comments it appears that Mr. Todd did what he is supposed to do in this situation.  He gave his personal impressions in the form of short comments that are completely in keeping with the format of the "debate" in which the candidate is supposed to sum up complex issues in 40 seconds or less.

Who is Ron Paul, by the way?
<Offer a text message poll.>


Is that right?!?  FOX did a text message poll after the debate?  Did they use the same system that they used for American Idol?  That would explain why Sanja won the debate.
Some people are idiots..there's no getting around it. We're the fattest nation on the planet. We are lazy and we're about to become become a socialist state if we're not careful. I hope that we're not to preoccupied with selfish interests to lose sight of the fact that our rights are going bye bye. If we don't elect a candidate that will protect this constitution and work something out on this deficit we're cooked. THAT IS A FACT, North American Union, Patriot Act, executive orders, National ID Card? What????? Keep fucking around, elect Giuliani or Thompson or Romney and watch the pieces left of this Constitution hit the shredder. We all need a bitch slap for being this far gone...Time is ticking and it aint a game guys this shit is real LOOK IT ALL UP, CALL YOUR SENATOR, CONGRESSMAN. THE PEOPLE KILLING IN IRAQ WANT TO WHOLE GODDAMN COUNTRY And from the looks and attitiudes of us they will without a shot...DR RON PAUL "THE CHAMPION OF THE CONSTITUTION" IT'S HIM OR IT'S OVER...WAKE THE FUCK UP AND READ FOR ONCE!!!!
I'm just a bit curious.  Did you actually watch the debate, or are you reading from the unbelievably biased cliff notes Fixed News sent over to you this morning to "report" from?

As reported by Fixed News before they intentionally stopped reporting the results:  Ron Paul was the winner with 33% of voter support, vs 15% for the second place finisher.

& since this was the MOST WATCHED debate yet with over 3 million viewers, Ron Paul's victory must have been huge.  & still, Fixed, won't release the final tally of people who actually voted, because they are terrified of Paul's win.  Just like you are.

& please don't puke up Fixed News commentary that the result was "spamming."  All over the internet there are youtubed videos of folks texting in their vote a second time & getting the message that "you've already voted."

Youtube doesn't feel very good to you hacks in the mainstream media does it, Mr. Tott?

You're going down, along with the candidates you support because they're paying your bills with their contributions from citizens.

Are you ashamed of yourself yet?  Or do you have no shame?
I'll bet if they had a choice the passengers on those plane would have voted for armed pilots and locked doors. Air Marshal perhaps
"-- Ron Paul is the most fascinating candidate to watch at these debates for this one reason: you don’t have an idea of where he’ll come down on an issue. The airline answer and arming folks at airports was, um, unique."

Paul is probably the most genuine candidate out there from what I gathered from the debate!

If you are going to report about the candidates I would suggest you research the candidates platform and years of service in congress before making uninformed comments and twisting views to accommodate your agenda.
As a Canadian, I'm not particularly invested in American politics aside from a healthy curiosity of what's going on in the world.

I find it astonishing that I have a better understanding of Ron Paul and his campaign than a so-called "NBC Political Director". Ron Paul was pretty much unknown to me until I saw him at the debate: being subjected to juvenile snickering and a completely absurd question that insinuated that a US Congressman was taking marching orders from Al'Queda.

It's seems like the childish antics displayed during this debacle are not confined to Fox News.

Is this the sort of thing that passes for journalism in America these days?
On this anniversary...

Chuck, bud, you really know how to put the 'anal' in analysis!

"...you don’t have an idea of where he’ll come down on an issue. The airline answer and arming folks at airports was, um, unique."

I do. So did 33% of the post debate poll voters. You don't? Really? Are you new? Born Yesterday? Obviously, if you don't know where Dr. Paul will 'come down on an issue', you are not qualified to comment at all as you are too grossly uniformed. The only other possible alternative to explaining your ignorance is that you are a neocon propagandist instead.

Seems to me we ALREADY HAVE armed folks IN the airports. That's on the ground. How about in the air? Oh, right, air marshals which may or may not actually be on the flight you are on? Do you have a problem with airlines protecting their property, themselves, or you? Obviously the USG enabled 9/11/01 by prohibiting the airline pilots from being able to defend themselves. Now if the stage coach is not going to be allowed to arm their drivers, much less ride shotgun, what do you suppose is going to happen when the hostiles do show up?

"But we live in a modern world!"

So? Apparently it's no more civilized. The USG made us more unsafe in the air after pilots were disarmed. Get it? The USG didn't protect you and me by dsiarming pilots but made us all more vulnerable to the events of 6 years ago today. Federal policy allowed, nay, encouraged it to happen. Until pilots can defend themselves and their craft, crew and passengers, the USG continues to encourage vulnerability by disallowing pilots to re-arm.

The 2nd Amendment was included to ensure Life, Liberty and the pursuit... Those in 1776 thought of themselves as modern too, but they also understood human nature would remain the same no matter how civilized, sophisticated, or modern the country might become.

The Bill of Rights was explicitly stated so there is no question as to what your rights are. It's not any government's right to protect you, it's your right to protect you! If you want a cradle-to-grave nanny-state, Guiliani is your, uh, man. In fact, most of the other candidates are your man, including Hillary.

An IRS agent can stick a gun in any American's face to collect a tax, yet a pilot can't shove a gun in a hijacker's gut to keep a plane from going down? Do you not see the tyranny in this Federal hypocrisy?

This is only one of hundreds of examples of USG meddling and overreach in our daily lives that is precluded by our national charter, and last I knew it has never been repealed. But it sure has suffered from legislative, executive & judicial erosion just the same.

We are not the reporters here but we sure appear to know a heck of a lot more about Dr. Ron Paul, his message, his stance on the issues & what he stands for than you do. But this seems to go with the territory. Just last night BillO said he "didn't need a history lesson" from Dr. Paul. This failure, no, refusal, to learn before you report seems to be chronic amongst your 'journalistic' ranks. And I thought you had to go to school to be a journalist? If you did, what the hell are they teaching? Spin101 between keggers?


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