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Last night's debate

Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:20 AM by Mark Murray

The Washington Post says the debate “was among the liveliest of the year. Once past an opening question about the missing Thompson, the candidates turned on one another. Romney, Giuliani, McCain and Rep. Tom Tancredo (Colo.) sparred over immigration. McCain chastised Romney over his reluctance to say the "surge" policy in Iraq is clearly working. Huckabee and Rep. Ron Paul (Tex.) clashed over whether the United States should stay in Iraq or get out.”

The Boston Globe’s lead is Romney attacking Giuliani on immigration. "But in the first debate of the fall campaign season, both Romney and Giuliani struggled to keep their balance amid sideswipes from Senator John McCain of Arizona, who sharply questioned Romney's assessment of the situation in Iraq and Giuliani's level of experience."

Ron Paul's camp ought to feel good that they made it into AP's lead on the debate.

The Chicago Tribune leads with the barbs at Thompson and highlights the Huckabee-Paul back-and-forth up high in its piece.

The Union Leader is one of the few papers to note -- up high -- the candidates' responses on Larry Craig. "Although candidates were asked their thoughts on the recent scandal, none outright condemned his actions."

The Des Moines Register's Yepsen gave the debate to McCain and Huckabee and called Thompson the big loser.

CBN's Brody joins Yepsen in concluding that McCain and Huckabee came out on top.

Also, McCain won the Luntz focus group that was featured on Fox News.

The American Spectator’s Rubin also notes how McCain helped himself by playing the role of "sober" adult.

Despite these positive reviews for McCain, the Union Leader notes that McCain’s supporters at the debate "were virtually nonexistent, not one of his signs in sight as he struggles to keep his campaign afloat in a summer rife with staff and budget cuts."

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The only Repub that sees and has the guts to speak the truth about Iraq is Ron Paul, and it'll doom his candidacy. What does this tell you about the current GOP?
Why is there no coverage of Ron Paul.  This guy won the debate, based solely on the opinions of the American People !  Who cares what the analysts say...Fox is hiding the truth. MSNBC polls and all the straw polls show that Ron Paul is a front runner.
Just a bunch of bozo's who don't have a clue what this country wants or needs, that's why our next President will be a Democratic.
Just a bunch of bozo's who don't have a clue what this country wants or needs, that's why our next President will be a Democratic.

I don't see any democratic Presidential candidates that I would vote for, i.e. an ex-crack head, another Clintonite.

Fred Thompson or John McCain is the only possible chooses we have.
By the way, Fred, Reagan was a great president your not even close to him.
While I don't agree with Ron Paul on every issue, this man has a heart of gold.  He cares deeply about the country and will not sell out the American people.  That is why almost 100% of his millions have some from regular citizens tired of same system.  Big corporations know they can buy Guliani, Clinton, and the others, they don't even bother knocking on RP's door in congress.  Man of the People.
What this county needs?  Could you please tell me what this country needs.....
As far as the AP story, another spin hack job.  They do not include Ron Pauls rebuttal to Huckabee asking him how many lives is it going to take to save face.
After an hour of jibberish about the war, who can blame Ron Paul for becoming a little worked up.  This country agreed to find a terrorist that was behind 911.  That is not what we have been doing. I am on the fence between McCain and Paul.
bill wright, you are so right. ONLY Ron Paul can stop the coronation of Hillary Clinton. Actually, he can wipe her off the stage with the war issue. Then he can smother her with his Constitutional logic.
This Country needs Ron Paul--the Constitution is America. If they take the oath of office what makes them follow that oath--NOTHING. Ron Paul is the only candidate who would follow it and has shown his worth through past records. His move to get the Federal reserve and IRS out of power is the answer to getting America back out of the cluthes of the world Bankers.
I started watching this debate with a fairly open mind. It's a bit hard to do these days with the republican party. I have to admit, Paul speaks with passion and is one of the few politicians that I've seem in my lifetime that I actually trust. While I respect many of the others viewpoints, Paul has my vote.
That is it--- If MSNBC and the other controlled media refuse to report the facts then I will do everything in my power to report the facts about them- Join me in this crusade to expose the deceipt. Build websites, boycott advertisers, disburse email, etc. Just tell the world that the slime balls here and the other controlled media are lying by deceipt and omisions.
I think the coverage of the debate has been very fair, Sean Hannity excluded. I just don't understand how he can go on about "Paulites" were "redialing by the second" When he knows that the system allows only one vote. What does he think that they all bought 1000 cell phone plans just for the debate?

Huckabee was the best IMHO. Huckabee in 2008!
This country needs healing, and the only way we will be able to reach the prominence that we once enjoyed is to work together instead of pointing out differences.  Mike Huckabee has shown that he can unite across the aisle as governor of a democratic controlled state.  He does not compromise on principle or values, but is able to find common ground.  That common ground is based on the value of human life, and that all, not just Americans, are created equal with rights given by our Creator.
These values along with his integrity and inclusiveness can bind this country together in a way that has not been seen since WWII.  His energizing presence will once again light the beacon of hope for all Americans and the world.  Mike Huckabee is the one candidate that will leave no doubt after the general election, with results similar to the Reagan election of '84.
GENTLEMEN,The debate of last evening did not go as you say it did. Bias like yours is pellucid as hell. But that's the demagogic bent of the neocon fascist.You control the platform for now. Last night Ron Paul had the only message that would reach across party lines and unify the multitudes. Out here in the hinterland we realize quislings like One World Order Bush or Socialist Hillary are content to drive untold millions subjugated under the current neocon tyranny, who hunger for a return to the Constitutional Republic long ago bequeathed to us...to the parapets. SO BE IT! THE BALLOT BOX NO LONGER YEIDS ANYTHING BUT RICH HUMAN EXCRETMENT. WE'RE SO WEARY OF HUMAN EXCRETMENT RUNNING THIS ONCE GREAT LAND AND RUNNING IT INTO THE JAWS OF HELL,ALL THE WHILE RUNNING THEIR FETID MOUTHES TO JUSTIFY THEIR PERFIDIOUS POLICIES, NETWORKS OF SNITCHES AND 3AM JACKBOOTS.WE NOW HAVE A GOVERNMENT BY FIAT AND A LOWLIFE CONGRESSIONAL RUBBER STAMP AND IT MUST END NOW.
It is ASININE of the media to ignore Ron Paul.  I pray to God the American people are smart enough to IGNORE them, and vote for the right man.  The media is nothing short of TRAITORS, in the way they omit and shape the news.  Drop dead, mainstream media, drop dead.
That is it--- If MSNBC and the other controlled media refuse to report the facts then I will do everything in my power to report the facts about them- Join me in this crusade to expose the deceipt. Build websites, boycott advertisers, disburse email, etc. Just tell the world that the slime balls here and the other controlled media are lying by deceipt and omisions.
Why would you work for this organization- even if you do not like a candidate- it's deceitful and your are part of the conspiracy to shield the truth. Does this affect your life? Let this post through.
That is it--- If MSNBC and the other controlled media refuse to report the facts then I will do everything in my power to report the facts about them- Join me in this crusade to expose the deceipt. Build websites, boycott advertisers, disburse email, etc. Just tell the world that the slime balls here and the other controlled media are lying by deceipt and omisions.
Ron Paul believes in the Constitution and the "rule of law".  How far do we let our government administrators go in the violation of international and U.S. laws?  Sounds like a, "slippery slope", situation and the only Citizen to stand up to truth and justice is Ron Paul!  The GOP has its head in the sand if you ask me.
I love how democrats love Ron Paul. What they wont tell you is they would vote for the devil himself before they would ever vote for a Republican. Ron Paul is a civil libertarian who wants to do away with the CIA,FBI, and just about every other government organization.  So don't give me this bull about him being a front runner. This primary will be determined by Republican votes, not democrats votes. Republicans don't watch Bill Maher,Jon Stewart,Steven Colbert, and the other kooky left wing infotainment shows the left likes. They read National Review, Weekly Standard, Fox News, and the Wall Street Journal. I can tell you without hesitation that we will not vote for a naive,ideolistic, nitwit.
Time to boycott the so-called media for refusing to recognize the best candidate Ron Paul.
So-called news services should be ashamed of yourselves- you do not provide news- just your propagandized version !
Ron Paul was the only person on that stage last night that made sense and answered the questions directly. America is sick, and we need a DOCTOR. Ron Paul 2008!
OK, very important... ALL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS... URGENT... We know that Dr. Paul can win, but not unless ALL of us register as Republican and VOTE in the primaries. MAKE SURE YOU GET REGISTERED OR REVOLUTION CAN NEVER HAPPEN!!!!! Dr. Paul has already said he will not run on another ticket, so he MUST WITH THE PRIMARY. The ONLY thing that can stop us at this point...

DIEBOLD. DEMAND THERE BE A PAPER TRAIL OF YOUR BALLOT AND DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY FROM YOUR LOCAL ELECTIONS OFFICIALS!

TOM TANCREDO?? Who is this guy? I must say I was completely impressed with him. No big suntan, or fancy facade . . . I learned more about the facts that I did not know from him than most of the candidates. I want to hear more about him, FOX News, where does he come from and what is he about? Me and my friends would like to know more . . . he could very well be a sleeper candidate  . . . !!! Tell us more!!!
After decades of "Read my lips", "I feel your pain", and so much BS from GW I can't list it all here, the candidates bring to mind the phrase "BOHICA".  It's a term the military uses that stands for "Bend over, here it comes again".

That is, all except Ron Paul.  He is the only candidate whose sincerity runneth over. No one ever questions his consistency or integrity - the other wishy washy Republicans and Democrats are afraid of his spotless record.  The others all sound like "I'm lieing to you because I think this will get your vote".
I was leaning hillary,or obama,but decided to see what the repub's have to offer.Nothing,that is until after 25 min into the debate,they decided to ask ron paul a question.Since then i have been hooked,he now has my vote.This man has more passion about this country in his little finger than all the other's put together.He is not touted by big corp's money,he wouldnt take it.He is the man of the future for this country,because he has the passion and knowledge to get us out of this mess,and keep us out of future wars.The others are foaming at the mouth,cant wait until they get their hands on that button.And whats with all the other candidates laughing everytime ron paul spoke.Hey you know what they say,he who laughs first....laughs last.
TOM TANCREDO?? Who is this guy? I must say I was completely impressed with him. No big suntan, or fancy facade . . . I learned more about the facts that I did not know from him than most of the candidates. I want to hear more about him, FOX News, where does he come from and what is he about? Me and my friends would like to know more . . . he could very well be a sleeper candidate  . . . !!! Tell us more!!!
S. Ehlers,
I will pray for you that you might actually regain your free will and open your mind to all the candidates.
It shouldn't matter how the rest of America votes - nor how National Review, Weekly Standard, Fox News, or the Wall Street Journal want you to vote... the only thing that matters is you look at where our country is headed and think back to how we were founded.
You can join the peaceful revolution if you want - it is open to every freedom loving American. Or you can vote along party lines and have more of your liberty taken from you.
If you think Dr. Ron Paul is a nitwit then you have not given him enough of your time to appreciate his lucidity and probity.
Dr Paul is the only politician i TRUST to not sell us out. I have donated to his campaign and have never donated to anyone before.
Please read up on Dr. Paul, listen to him and choose for YOURSELF.

the link i provide is to audio clips of Dr Paul. Let me know if you think he is really a dimwit or if that is what you were told by the media you watch.

Thanks,
Prayers going out now....
To all the revolutionaries on this post - go to ronpaul.meetup . com and engage. Donate. Tell 5 people about Dr Paul today - do the same every day.
register so you can vote for Dr Paul in the primary -
there is only 3 months left to prepare.
Multiple victories scored by Ron Paul tonight in Fox Republican Debate:

Ron Paul Wins Fox News TV viewer poll by a Landslide (phone text messaging)
Ron Paul 33%;  Huckabee 18%;  Giuliani 15%;  McCain 14%;  Romney 12%;  
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295969,00.html

Ron Paul Wins MSNBC Online Poll by a Landslide
Who showed the most leadership qualities? Ron Paul 70%; Giuliani 8%; Romney 7%.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963731/

Ron Paul Wins World Net Daily Post Debate Poll by a landslide with 37% of the vote.

Ron Paul Photo, Headline and Story Featured on Cover Page of www.abcnews.com

Ron Paul Makes Top Headline “In the News” on Cover Page of www.yahoo.com

Ron Paul named in headline on Front Page of Google News Home Page

Ron Paul named in headline featured on Front Page of London Guardian Latest World News Online

Ron Paul’s name mentioned on front page of www.cbsnews.com

Ron Paul’s name mentioned in the first line of the MSNBC story on the debates.

Ron Paul’s name mentioned in headline on debate story at US News and World Report.

In summary, Ron Paul won this debate hands down, and Ron Paul has elevated himself to where he is an undisputable top tier candidate and one of the frontrunners for the Republican nomination and Presidency.
Ron Paul is, indeed, a naive, idealistic nitwit, who stands no chance of winning. All the hippies and lefties who love him don't vote in GOP primaries.
Huckabee: One nation under Hillary.

We will lose to Hillary honorably!

Is this what passes for the Republican battle cry these days?
Once again Ron Paul comes out shining. The only candidate that makes any sense, and doesn't give us answers we want to hear. Giuliani came across to me as an egotistical jerk, and I have no faith in faux news after viewing the clear bias in there debate.
I THINK MOST OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES ARE PANDERING. RON PAUL HAS IT RIGHT ON THE IRAQ WAR, BUT HE IS TARNISHED BY HIS EXTREME LIBERTARIAN VIEWS AND HIS HISTORY OF RACISM. MOST DESPICABLE OF ALL THOUGH, WAS NOT THE CANDIDATES' REMARKS BUT THE QUESTION BY CHRIS WALLACE TO RON PAUL AS TO WHETHER HE WAS TAKING HIS MARCHING ORDERS FROM AL QUAEDA. IT WAS PURE PROPAGANDA AND IT EQUATED DISSENT WITH TREASON.  WALLACE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF. HIS BRAND OF JOURNALISM IS UNPROFESSIONAL AND PURELY SUBJECTIVE. IT MAY HAVE BEEN PROVOCATIVE, BUT IT WAS UNFAIR AND UGLY.
What on earth has happened to the Republican Party?! Ron Paul is the only guy who sounds like a conservative and people treat him like a crazy person. He follows the constitution to a T and people criticize him for it. We live in scary times indeed.
S Ehlers, Its people like you who continue to get people killed in Iraq. Blood is now on your hands. You choose to ignore the fact that American Foreign policy is bad and thats a shame. You are the nitwit.
Honestly, the debate was not seen by many people.  The FoxNews "greatest snowjob on earth" had minimal influence on real voters.  What all Ron Paul supporters need to do, is tell people about Ron Paul - neighbor to neighbor, person to person and do this everyday multiple times a day.  Let them know that Ron Paul is the most searched person on the internet ahead of Paris Hilton and the  iphone. It will peak their interest
It is incredibly deceitful the way the media is downplaying the Ron Paul movement.  They say that his supporters are all internet junkies who compulsively decorate the internet with hype for him.  Whether that's true or not is irrelevant.  Ron Paul is a sheep among wolves.  He is the only candidate in the Republican party with a clear and honest voice.  I think an Obama/Paul ticket would rock this nation.  
I would disagree that Ron Paul is naive or a nitwit. He warned in 2002 that the coming war with Iraq was a mistake. There was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq.  Ron Paul was right, and the realistic neoconservatives who pushed for war were wrong.  
James A. Rushing, Darby, Mt - yup. It's jackboots all around unless both the left and the right wise up.
I emailed fox earlier and told them how outraged I was at Chris Wallace's lack of journalistic integrity. If anyone else wishes to do so the address is speakout @foxnews . com. I also asked for all the moderators to apologize for their unprofessional behavior in acting lke 3 year olds at a presedential debate. I think Olberman should make hannity or wallace the worst person in the world tonight. I think they should come out and say they were irresponsible and put a poll in place that didn't have a one vote per number limit on voting (the local tv station my friend works for uses this technology) or, they should make hannity apologize. Ron Paul won the debate hands down. I don't think you guys can tell me you would rather save face and lose to hillary than return to the traditional foreign policy of the republican party.

Oh yeah, I'm an independent and i'm registering republican to vote for Dr. Paul. I urge everyone to do so.
Norm is a racist.

See Norm, you can call anyone a racist but that doesnt make them (or you) a racist, right?

Please divuldge Dr. Paul's racism. I am sure we would all love to hear it.

Is this true...
"Ron Paul is the most searched person on the internet ahead of Paris Hilton and the  iphone. It will peak their interest "
cool fact -
Norm, you are wrong in saying that Ron Paul is racist. It has been proven that Paul did not make the comments from 10 years ago and the people who wrote the comments were fired. Paul was honorable by still taking blame since it was his campaign that hired the writers. Honor is something Paul has and something that Huckabee knows nothing about. And I am an Iraq war Air Force vet so I know an honorable man when I see one.
Just want to chime in my support for Dr. Paul.  Shame on MSNBC for following Faux News' lead and ignoring the fact that Ron Paul won AGAIN!  There is no honesty in the mainstream media.
I don't think Guiliani or McCain has won a single straw poll (Paul has won the most) or internet poll.  Romney has won one or two and done poorly in most.  The only polls they do well in are the nationwide ones where all the supposed 2nd tier are completely left out!
"Ron Paul's camp ought to feel good that they made it into AP's lead on the debate."

We are supposed to be pleased when thrown a crumb of attention?  I'll tell you when I will "feel good." I will feel good when Americans and innocent civilians are no longer dying because of the alliance of ignorant and evil politicians in the US.  I will feel good when the US tax payers' hard earned money quits vanishing into the stink hole of the military/industrial complex.  I will feel good when the government is no longer trashing our precious Bill of Rights.
Senator William Jenner warned in a speech: "Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded."

Baron M.A. Rothschild wrote, "Give me control over a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws."

All that is needed to effectively control a government is to have control over the nation's money: a central bank with a monopoly over the supply of money and credit. This had been done in Western Europe, with the creation of privately owned central banks such as the Bank of England.

The Bank of the United States (1816-36), an early attempt at an American central bank, was abolished by President Andrew Jackson, who believed that it threatened the nation. He wrote: "The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government, the distress it had wantonly produced...are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."

Thomas Jefferson wrote: "The Central Bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution...if the American people allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Does that not describe the situation in America today?
I tell you what, the republican candidates are really confused if they think that can take on Ron Paul in depth knowledge with their tiring, empty promising rhetoric.  The fact is, we the american public need to start setting the tone of the campaign by making MSM and politicians understand that we all know that what they intend to do with Iraq and Iran is nothing more than empty resolution delay game.
I've already changed my registration (Libertarian) to Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.  So has my wife (independent).  So has my brother (non-voter).

Republicans who don't think he can win have their heads in the sand.  He has more volunteers than the other candidates combined (40,000 and counting.)  He has been attracting the biggest crowds of all the Republicans.  He has been competing with Romney and Thompson in Republican straw polls around the country, and crushing the rest of the field.  His third-quarter fund-raising numbers will dust the second tier.

Now he is getting media headlines.

Even with lower poll numbers, he can win in a divided field, because his voters will turn out to vote.  Just look at the results of the Fox News text message polls, or the online polls after the five debates.
 
People that hear him realize that he has the best interests of America at heart, and that he is a man with a long history of consistency and integrity.

He says some things that would make a non-libertarian cringe, but you can trust that Congress will prevent him from doing anything too radical anyway.



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