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More from last night's Dem debate

Posted: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:02 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Lauren Appelbaum
Earlier this morning, First Read briefly recapped last night's Univision debate, the first presidential debate ever broadcast in Spanish. Here are some additional thoughts...
 
IRAQ.


On Iraq, all of the candidates called for a troop withdrawal -- with Kucinich being the first, and he received a large applause from the audience. Obama, who spoke next, said he (like Kucinich) as against the war from the beginning. Although Kucinich asked for some time to respond, the moderators did not oblige. In fact, the moderators did not allow any time for the candidates to engage one another and debate. Instead, each candidate had time to simply answer his or her question and move on.
 
Richardson restated that his plan differs from those of Clinton, Obama, and Edwards -- since he says no residual troops should be left in Iraq following a withdrawal. "I would bring them all home, everyone of them," the New Mexico governor said. "There is a fundamental difference that I raised in the last debate with Senator Obama, Senator Clinton, Senator Edwards. Under their plans, under their Web sites, they leave either 25- or 50-, or 75-thousand troops behind. I would bring them all home within a period of time of six to eight months because our troops have become targets."

Clinton responded called for a withdrawal after stating that Petraeus' report will not bring about a political solution to Iraq. "I believe we should start bringing our troops home," she said to applause. "We need to quit refereeing their civil war and bring our troops home as soon as possible."
 
Edwards called the Petraeus report a "sales job from the White House," and said since he believes there is no political progress, the troops should be brought home.
 
Gravel and Dodd had the opportunity to respond to a question on capturing Osama Bin Laden. After saying "terrorism is not a war" and "our war on terrorism makes no sense," Gravel called for American organizations to work with international ones such as Interpol and prosecute terrorists as criminals. Dodd said he would focus on rebuilding "coalitions necessary to deal with terrorism."
 
SPANISH.
Some of the candidates were asked about the role of the Spanish language in America. Kucinich called for Spanish to be a second national language. Dodd, a fluent Spanish speaker, took a different approach, saying Americans need to learn more languages and not expect other people around the world to know English. He called Americans' lack of foreign language skills "a source of collective embarrassment" and touted his fluency in Spanish.
 
Richardson, the only Latino in the field, did not directly address the issue. "Latinos are the heart of the American mainstream," he said. "I am very proud to be the first Latino Democratic candidate to run for president. I think any way this country can promote diversity is important. Latinos care about all issues, including health care and the war in Iraq. We are mainstream."
 
But Richardson did show his displeasure in being forced to speak English. "I've always supported Univision all my career, but I'm disappointed today for the 43 million Latinos in country for them not to hear one of their own speak Spanish is unfortunate," he said. "In other words, Univision has promoted English-only in this debate."
 
IMMIGRATION.
A large percentage of the questions were devoted to immigration. All of the candidates promised to work on comprehensive immigration reform within their first year of their presidency. Clinton, Obama, and Dodd -- who all voted for the fence on the border with Mexico -- were asked why there is no discussion about a border fence with Canada. Slightly caught off guard, they answered indirectly and instead touted their work toward comprehensive immigration reform, calling for more border security, employer verification systems, and a pathway to citizenship.
 
"I do favor more security on the border," Clinton said, "and in some cases a physical border because that has to be part of securing our borders." Dodd said that instead of focusing on a wall, it is important to understand why people immigrate and to help the Mexican government provide for their own citizens so they do not have to come to American for employment. 
 
Richardson, an opponent of any wall, repeated a line that audiences often receive well. "If you're going to build a 12 foot wall, you know what's going to happen? A lot of 13-foot ladders."
 
OTHER THOUGHTS.
All of the Democratic candidates except Biden attended. Biden, who recently returned from a trip to Iraq, said he needed the time to prepare for a Foreign Relations Committee hearing on the Petraeus report tomorrow.
 
Richardson and Dodd, as the two fluent Spanish speakers of the group, had an opportunity to benefit from the debate. Dodd's campaign was the first one out with a press release, stating he displayed a "depth of understanding and experience." Less than ten minutes later, the Richardson campaign sent out a release declaring Richardson the winner. They were the only two candidates to send out press releases -- unlike after other debates, when all of the campaigns often send out multiple releases touting their successes.
 
Clinton and Obama each received nine questions while Edwards, Dodd, and Richardson got eight. Gravel and Kucinich were each asked seven questions.

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NOT 6 MONTHS, NOT 6 WEEKS, NOT 6 HOURS, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME "NOW" FROM THIS IRAQI CIVAL WAR ! PERIOD !
Key statements:

WAR on terror.

Another one: We were ATTACKED on September 11, 2007.

Think about it. We were "ATTACKED" in December 1941 at Pearl Harbor. By Japan. Is "attacked" the correct word to use for what happened on September 11th? Doesn't this imply A COUNTRY "attacked" us instead of who actually did? Criminals.

Did not the White House make this clear. No.

War on Terror.

War????

No wonder the country bought it all in 2003. The War on Terror is in Iraq because Saddam Hussein had something to do with us being ATTACKED on September 11th. Very easy tale to sell the country. Only it was never true.

And President Bush and Vice President Cheney knew it.

Since when does America need to translate to other languages?  Live in our country, live off our taxes speak our language.  Major Thumbs Down for the translation.  I'll vote Republican
I'm still trying to figure this out......

Why have a debate in Spanish if you are not allowed to speak in spanish?.......

i thin we have our three finalist for the Democratic nomination....

When are we going to have the polish, Hungarian, Iranian, canadian, japanese, Chinese, Sudanese, Russian, martian and norwegian debates.....?

Maybe a redneck debate?
Maybe a Ebonics debate?
Maybe a hip hop debate?

Maybe a debate in which questions are asked in Klingonese?

There ara a lot of Americans who will watch the Democrats in Congress vote. Any who votes to continue funding this war will be replaced.
I find it odd that, although Clinton thinks our troops are "refereeing their civil war", that she doesn't support Richardson's idea of bringing them all home.  If we're just keeping the rabid dogs from tearing into each other, why stick around?  Answer; so you don't open yourself to "cut and run" nonsense from the right.  Richardson doesn't care, he just wants to do the right thing; Hillary is the cautious, political animal here.  And I am SO tired of cautious political animals!
And I agree that terrorism should be since as an international criminal problem, not a holy jihad against "evil doers".  That religious apocalypticism is strictly Bush's line of crap.  Let's not fall for it.  Terrorists are international thugs, criminals of the highest order, and their criminal enterprise is ingeniously organized...but they're not pawn of Satan, and we're not clean-and-pure soldiers of God.  Let's take apocalyptics out of it, and put international law and order back on the table.
I didn't watch. I am waiting for the Cajun debate with Boudreaux and Thibodeaux moderating.  Dat be some good show may yah.
We love you Hillary!!!
why no fence on canada's border with the u.s.?
SIMPLE: THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS COMING FROM THE CANADIANS    what a dumb question
REMOVE ALL US TROOPS FROM IRAQ "NOW". PERIOD !
Why we don't have a fence on the Canadian border?  Because we don't have thousands of non-English speaking canadians risking their lives to escape to the United States.
Why we don't have a fence on the Canadian border?  Because we don't have thousands of non-English speaking canadians risking their lives to escape to the United States in search of employment.
The Democrat Motto - "We are the new Surrender Monkey's!"
The Repuks Motto- "We hate America WE LOVE WAR!"
I am  democrat and I am looking at voting republican because this illegal immigration has hurt the black community. The service jobs use to be held by the black middle class and this illegal immigration has hurt my community and Obama is one of them. And to hold a debate in spanish is a slap in the Americans face.And why do we keep leaving out Illegal!!!!
Jerry, don't give up your day job.  Leno and Letterman don't need your pitiful attempts at humor.  Is this the spew you heard on Limbaugh?
Canadians are not invading our coutry!
I do not listen to all the debates, they will say
anything to get elected and then when in office
you can't tell the differece between the parties.
How do you think Clinton's made 50 million by helping
the poor? Ya Right!
Jerry, don't give up your day job.  Leno and Letterman don't need your pitiful attempts at humor.  Is this the spew you heard on Limbaugh?
Class Warrior: '...terrorism should be since as an international criminal problem, not a holy jihad against "evil doers".  That religious apocalypticism is strictly Bush's line of crap....'

Good point, Class Warrior.....
Bush is playing to his holy roller base.

'..but they're not pawn of Satan, and we're not clean-and-pure soldiers of God.  Let's take apocalyptics out of it, and put international law and order back on the table....'

You might remember that in the '80's we armed the Taliban and told them: 'God is on your side'
We armed and trained Osama bin Laben and called him a 'freedom fighter' !!

Some other terrorists/freedom fighters we supported in the 80's: the (dope dealing) Contras, UNITA, Frelimo, Fraph, and the 'death squads' (a public relations nightmare in name choice) in El Salvador.
When the US supports terrorists, they're 'freedom fighters'

Reagan also called Saddam an 'authoritarian figure' and sold him components for his chemical weapons.

Class Warrior, it's all just PR. They're only evil if they don't drink Coca Cola and support America !!
If they support America, they're 'FREEDOM FIGHTERS' !!
No one talks about borders from countries of peoples that are entering ours illegaly! On the border of Mexico and Central America there is a go home or die border! No one talks about how people entering Mexico from Central America are often killed, raped, murdered, robbed and if lucky enough, they get a smuggler who is only greedy enough to take them to the U.S border and dump them there. Why do you think our land is littered with mostly illegals from Mexico!
Dems is this not America, if they do not speak some form of English why should the debate be in spanish? Think about it American if they get 40 million illegals who can vote they are not going to vote for americans they are going to vote for Illegals in congress. I am sorry the democrats will make then citizens. It took black Americans till 1965 to be able to vote.    
We love you Hillary!!!
Students at UNF

I'll bet you guys ALL DROP OUT !!
Have you 'gone wild', yet ???

University of Nonesuch Fools ?
The canadians will come across the border only if the French-Canadians surrender.  But i think those Frenchmen have more guts then their brethren across the water.

Hey Jerry! I'm holding out for the debates translated in Romulan or B'Joran.
"Another one: We were ATTACKED on September 11, 2007."

Looks like you've leaked out the plans for the next hijacking - no pun intended, of course - of our country. September 11, the sequel.
At least the canadians speak english EH?
yall act like you didnt steal this country in the first place  . Maby chikens comeing home to roost

It is the Democrats who are the racists. They only represent the hispanic vote now. How 1. hobno with La Raza the hispanic KKK, 2.support lawless illegals amnesty to benefit hispanics, and no one else 3. are pro Spanish as official language 4. have dumped the workingman in favor of the hispanic vote (illegals bring down wages).

After 20 years I just resigned from the DNC. It should be renamed the Hispanic National Party.

Bye bye racists.
When you look at other cultures, and how many languages their people know, it is rather shameful that so many Americans 1) speak only English and 2) expect others to speak English to them, even in another country.  

I don't have any problem with the Dems doing a debate on a channel that translates it into Spanish.  Not everyone who speaks only Spanish is illegal, and not everyone who speaks only Spanish lives off our taxes."  
Get the "ILLEGALS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY". Bring back all those jobs Bush Presidency has sent overseas. I always thought we were not Communist but I guess we are since 99% of our goods come from China. Remember, you cannot go to Cuba, nor can you purchase a good Cuban cigar, why communist. Remember, we could not go to Vietnam for a while back Communist country, now AMERICANS ARE FLOCKING TO CHINA AND VIETNAM THESE PEOPLE MUST BE COMMUNISTS.Goods from china has killed animals and people but still we are putting up with this fiasco, where is aour president and what is he doing about it NOTHING. BUSH YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THIS COUNTRY.
Stiwap.

As you see, I also have had it with the Dems. They are veering way off course. They are wrong on so many issues now. They voted for the war. They said they would take us out and have not. On illegal immigration they are so racist it is not believable. It is the Republicans who are for all Americans.

Problem is, how do you vote for a Repblican? They are pro war, anti personal freedom.
I believe many of the comments previously posted are ignorant to what is happening within the United States.

First off there was a debate in Spanish because believe it or not, Hispanics are the largest growing minority in the United States. It doesn't matter if you want to accept it or not.

There is no border with Canada, but many people don't realize that a great number of people are entering illegally through that border because it is so much easier. It's not only Canadians that come through there you know.

The debates haven't been held in any other language because there is no other language that is as widely spoken as Spanish in this country. If you want a debate in French or redneck as you put it, go find the appropriate channels and do so. See how many people are going to care about that.

Basically the issues mentioned yesterday were proven by all these comments. There is a lot of Hispanic resentment in this country. People don't care whether you are a citizen or just came here they punish you regardless.

We've always been a country of immigrants, and now we're punishing those who want the American dream as well? It is only a matter of time before this mentality drives America down, and I'm very sad to be witnessing it.
Ki... everyone in the world one stole their country from someone at one time..get real.

Carrie: I speak 3 languages but I agree with Roosevelt:

President Roosevelt said when immigrants come to the USA 1. it is not for Americans to adopt their culture it is for them to adopt American culture, 2. they should have one loyalty only and that is to the USA, and 3. the only languagage in the USA is English and they should learn it.

DEMS BY GOING ON SPANISH LANGUAGE TV HAVE SAID SPANISH = ENGLISH IN USA. I HOPE FOR EVERY HISPANIC VOTE THEY GAINED THEY LOSE 20 NON HISPANIC VOTES.

I know that if a politician starts speaking Spanish at any event I am at, the rotten eggs and tomatoes will fly.
Bettybb you said that about Roosevelt, but Roosevelt lived in a different era. Changes take place and we must accomodate ourselves to that change.
I've never seen so many ignorant and deplorable comments in one place.
"It is the Democrats who are the racists. They only represent the hispanic vote now. How 1. hobno with La Raza the hispanic KKK, 2.support lawless illegals amnesty to benefit hispanics, and no one else 3. are pro Spanish as official language 4. have dumped the workingman in favor of the hispanic vote (illegals bring down wages).

After 20 years I just resigned from the DNC. It should be renamed the Hispanic National Party.

Bye bye racists. "


You are an idiot.  Anyone who reads your quote will see that.  Amongst LEGAL Americans, Latinos are the fasting growing population.  Get used to Spanish, or else when you are old YOU will have a hard time fitting into this country.

Let me ask the Repubs this.....What is more damaging to America?  Terrorism or Illegal Immigration.  The terrorists entered through CANADA, not MEXICO.  I am a white, middle-class person like I assume many of the people responding.  I am going to tell it like it is....I hear a LOT of white middle-class people making the same argument.  The truth is they are rascist and scared because where they live, the Latino neighborhoods have more people living in poverty and there is also more violence in those areas.  And you know what, that does have to stop.  Especially the gangs.  Until they get a hold on their community and stop accepting bad behavior they will keep encountering this friction.  But, white people, to say everyone who comes here has to learn English is ridiculous.  Plenty of us white people have relatives who don't speak English.  I know I do!  But they will say the Latinos have to learn English because they feel they have more rights because they were lucky enough to have had a family member move here before they were born.  Remember, not all us living in the white communities have English speaking parents, so watch it because you are being really offensive.

I would like to see our government pressure the Mexican government to improve workers' rights.  That way wages will go up (and keep more jobs in the US) and living conditions will improve (and keep more Mexicans in Mexico- where they would probably prefer to stay if it is livable, just like our ancestors would have preferred.)  That is the right thing to do.  Not round up everybody and throw them back.  Geez, and the people who want to do that are supposedly the MORAL people in this country!  How backwards!
I agree with Citizen J.
NOT 6 MONTHS, NOT 6 WEEKS, NOT 6 HOURS,


Wanna bet?
What a shameful day for all Americans. I have never in my time seen so much divice by one political party.The leaders of the new democratic have comitted treason aganist our country. Its time to move.
I think it was an excellent question - about no Canadadian but Mexican border fence.  It revealed the lies in the immigration debate.  You hear congressmen (mostly republicans) talk about US needing a fence to protect against terrorists.  Well if there is a fense at Mexian border and no fense at Canadian border guess which way the terrorists are going?
Borders will not stop outsoarching and illegal immigration.  It's simple law of supply and demand.  If Americans are not willing to do certain jobs for a certain pay and there are millions of people who are willing to do the same job for this pay - the jobs will be outsourced and illegal immigrants will continue coming - the wall is a waste of time.  It will never be done; it will never work.  It's a global economy and we have to acknoledge other countries economies when we look at US economy.  Since we have not been doing that US dollor is loosing its value.  I think it's about time we start seeing reality - US is not the only country in the world.
I agree illegal immigrants are demonized and blamed for every evil in US.  We should not blame them - they are people desperate for work looking to do better for themselves and their families.  They did not come here to steal of use our free services.  They contribute to our country's economy and therefore taxes that are used for social services are paid by them and companies that benefit from them.  Our broken immigration system that is set up to allow them to work here illegally and pay taxes is what we have to blame.  This system is set up to allow to exploit illegals.  We owe it to them to legalize them.  The whole world is watching - will this modern time slavery continues or will it stop?  
I think the notion that illegals live off of our taxes is a complete lie.  They contribute to our ecomony and support it.  Our economy (and therefore our taxes) would not be were they are not without them.  With 12,000,000 of them here and still unemployment rate historic low how can anyone say that steal our jobs?  
There are more immigrants in the US military in Iraq than there are people from the richest 5%.
They won't support or defend this country.
Alice talks sense: I think the notion that illegals live off of our taxes is a complete lie.  They contribute to our ecomony and support it.  Our economy (and therefore our taxes) would not be were they are not without them.  With 12,000,000 of them here and still unemployment rate historic low how can anyone say that steal our jobs?  


Agreed.  Indentured servanthood worked before, and it will work again.

Nice job presenting this fact Alice.
Betty - That's not at all what they were saying.  How long did it take you to learn your languages?  It's a struggle, and it's especially a struggle when you live in an area that predominantly speaks Spanish.  And lest you jump on the anti-Spanish bandwagon, it's fairly common for people of the same ethnicity to live in close proximity and to keep their culture, including their language, alive and flourishing in those areas.  

I agree that people who live here should learn to speak the language.  I also recognize that it's easier said than done.  Should we just freeze people out of the process?  I don't think so.  Most of these people pay taxes as well, and are clearly interested in the political process otherwise they would not be watching a pre-primary debate.  

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say you have to speak English to be an American.  Whether it should or not is a matter for debate, but as long as it doesn't, there is nothing wrong with broadcasting a debate (in which the candidates spoke English, btw) on a Spanish-speaking network.
Oh Yeah!
Dennis KUCINICH is always a crowd favorite! :D

He is truly the people's candidate.
BETWEEN RUSSERT AND MATTHEWS MRS. CLINTON DIDNT HAVE A CHANCE. I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT BOTH OF THESE MEN WERE FAIR BUT NO MORE. WHAT A SHAME. I DONT KNOWYET WHO I MAY VOTE FOR BUT THESE TWO HAVE LOST A GOOD FOLLOWER OF THERE PROGRAMS.


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