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Iraq

Posted: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:16 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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The Washington Post: “Army Gen. David H. Petraeus told Congress yesterday that the deployment of 30,000 more troops to Iraq has made enough progress that the additional combat forces can be pulled out by next summer, but he cautioned against ‘rushing to failure’ with a larger and speedier withdrawal… [T]he general's report and troop proposal opened a new phase in the fractious Washington debate over the future of the U.S. venture in Iraq nearly 4 1/2 years after Bush ordered an invasion to topple Saddam Hussein. From this point on, the argument will no longer be about whether to withdraw U.S. troops but about how many to pull out and how quickly.”

EJ Dionne writes, that before Petraeus “began his account of the 'substantial' progress brought about by the troop increase in Iraq, congressional critics of President Bush's policy had come to the depressing conclusion that the surge has done what the administration needed it to do. It has not won the war. It has not achieved reconciliation at the national level in Iraq. But it has bought more political time in Washington, bringing Bush closer than ever to reaching one of his main objectives: keeping large numbers of troops in Iraq beyond Election Day 2008.”

The New York Times adds that Petraeus’ testimony “drove home the continuing inability of the Democrats to force a change in strategy in Iraq… The hearings had been expected to provoke an epic confrontation between opponents of the war and its front-line leaders. But that conflict did not fully materialize Monday, in part because only a few Democrats on two House committees seemed inclined to dispute with much vigor the assessments provided by a commander with medals on his chest and four stars on his shoulders.”

The Boston Globe’s front-page story: “Petraeus told a deeply divided joint House committee that achieving the goal of a self-sustaining Iraq would be ‘neither quick nor easy.’”
 
In his analysis, the Boston Globe’s Canellos writes that Petraeus and Crocker delivered “a straight, sober, and nuanced presentation,” but “the general's suggestion that US troops will be needed well into the future represents a clear challenge to antiwar forces and sets the terms for what is sure to be a contentious congressional debate throughout the fall.”

The New York Daily News’ headline: “Petraeus puts anti-war Democrats in tight spot.”

Regarding MoveOn’s “Betray Us” ad, the Boston Globe writes, “Republicans, including several running for president, condemned the full-page ad, which ran in yesterday's New York Times. Democratic presidential hopefuls distanced themselves, but did not directly rebuke the group.”

RNC chairman Mike Duncan sent out this fundraising solicitation yesterday: “MoveOn.org is openly attacking our generals and troops. This week they ran full-page newspaper ads attacking the integrity of our top military commander in Iraq, General Petraeus, as he was testifying before Congress. And, the Democrat leaders have said nothing. Nothing!  Are they complicit in these attacks by their silence? This kind of malicious and despicable attack cannot stand -- and we must fight back.”

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Yes the GOP must fight back against an internet interest group of private citizens expressing opinion. They are really clawing and scratching for anything. If the GOP began to stand for something dignified instead of against everything they'd have a better chance(I've swear that's a familiar line).
Petraeus is just another Kurt Schleicher, an army general who sought to play kingmaker in politics. He is a political general who is seeking to kick the can (and the problem of Iraq) into the next administration and is willing to say and do anything to accomplish that goal. I'm willing to bet that Petraeus will resign shortly after the new (Democratic?) administration is sworn in and go to work for the Carlyle Group. He'll make millions and position himself as a GOP candidate later on while the country goes through hell in dealing with the Iraq mess.
How many Republicans will be defeated at the ballot box next November because of Bush's success in drawing out the surge and keeping large numbers of troops in Iraq past Nov. '08?

The answer: lots
Betrayus = THE LAST GENERAL STANDING!
Thanks to bush/cheney/rove/rush and the fiasco called iraq the dems will own the whitehouse and congress for the next 20-30 years.
Put all the leftist quislings on the front line as welcoming committee for OBL and/or his thugs when they come calling on our shores, an event courtesy of said leftist quislings.  That would be quite a nice solution to our Nation's malignancy.
Of course the democrat presidential people never said anything.  George Soros would cut off their funding if they did.  Hillary, Obama and John know who the real MAN is in the liberal party.  Democrats are like dogs, they know who is holding their milkbone for them.
Looks like Hillary will get to pull the last troop out of Iraq, unless of course, a Republican wins the White House in 08.  Then he won't have that to deal with as we'll be in it for at least eight more years.  Whenever, if ever, we leave Iraq, I hope the last kid killed isn't from Iowa, like it was in Vietnam.  This is a tough thing to have to say, but it's some other State's turn.
Patraeus is another example of how Bush has co-opted a high ranking individual and turned him into his personal flunkie, as he did with Gonzo. This seems to be the first time a sitting president has abused and sullied his position in such a way. I think that it will be a point to be considered by all cadets and educated young people contemplating a future as a general in the military that his/her success as a general officer will be contingent on the whims of a clown like Bush who would see you not as someone to be respected, but as a pawn in his struggle to get his way and/or cover his ass. I think a general's position should be insulated from the machinations of such a world class fool.
Petraeus warns against rushing to failure. We are not rushing to failure. We are prolonging the failure, costing more deaths of young men, billions of dollars, and making more enemies. But keep in mind that this is bush's failure and the general is simply his lap dog.
Dione is (as usual) correct; Bush wants those troops in there until the election (if he allows it), so they can be someone else's misery, and someone else can catch the blame when we finally get smart and pull out, and the Iraqis go at slaughtering each other hammer and tongs.  He's too cowardly to admit he screwed up and try to rectify the situation, he'd rather dump the mess in someone else's lap.
In an article this morning (8-11-07) on page one Tony Snow said Bush "liked what he heard last week" when briefed on Petraeus' plans.

Page two - Petraeus said the plan was "....not shared with anyone in the Pentagon, the WHITE HOUSE or the Congress."

If it was not shared with the White House, how could Bush know if he "liked what he heard" last week?  Of course it was shared with the White House!  Anyone not blinded by the vision of oil and money can see that.
mikeeg,abdn,wa--Wishful thinking. Unfortunately Bushes War will be handed intact to a Democratic Administration and a Democratic Congress. They will either do their job and bring the troops home and accept responsibility for the inevitable result  or they will stay in Iraq and continue this bloody foolishness out of fear of the political consequences. In either scenario the GOP will be able to use it as a platform to stage their comeback no later than '16.
That is why it is so important to end this War before the Criminal Buffoon skys out of the White house on Marine 1.
In the face of a paralyzed opposition party that refuses to fully fund an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, the only option is to take to the streets and try and help it along. This has very little chance of succeeding due to the general disinterest of the American people and their apparent ignorance of anything that might require the tiniest bit of critical thinking. Gives em a headache.
But that should stop those who care from trying. It won't stop me. I will be voting for the Democratic Nominee. What else can I do. I will take part in protests and demonstrations. I will participate because this whole damn mess gives ME a headache.
September 15 - Washington DC
October 27 - Coordinated nationwide actions in 10 major cities.
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
Help out.
Carry On.
Passing the buck is Bush's forte should we expect anything else? He's done it his whole life.
Your general are right to pull your pathetic soldiors from our lands. Send them home now before we kill them all. Go back to america and watch your televisions, we will come. We will come and kill all of you in a bloodbath you cannot forsee. Death to the christian hordes. Death to all who appose Allah. You are to blind to see. We have been coming to give you death for a thousand years, and if it take a thousand more than it is as Allah wills. Go say your prayers we come to destroy you.

The above is ficticious, but is how they see us. We all are part of Christiandom, whether you believe in a God or not. You are part of a nation founded by people of Christian faiths. We are the enemy of islam. All societies as they have advanced beyond brutal survival moved away from thier core religious beliefs. If you don't need rain to grow your garden for survival, you tend to stop praying for rain... Do not forget thou that 90% of the islamic world lives in a survival mode. They have not left thier religous fervor behind. They have a very firm belief that islam is the one and only way. That the world will end up under the caliphate and it is every muslims duty to further that by any means. A retreat, a ceasefire, to them is only a repreave to reload and get stronger for the next fight. Whether we went into Iraq or not, whether we stay in Iraq or not, will not matter to the war on islam. No, not even on radical islam. Islam itself. You only have radical islam, and quiet islam that does not protest or temper thier radical brethern.
America do not forget that we are the target still.
No Mercy, I see you're a fan of Michael Savage, possibly the craziest person in broadcasting today.  Exactly when will bin Laden's navy sail over the horizon and launch their cruise missiles and fighter planes at American targets?  I am done with standing quietly while the 9/11 tragedy is hijacked for political points and a war against people who had no part in 9/11.  I am done being called a traitor (quisling) and a malignancy by fascists.  Police work on a worldwide scale has, is, and will continue to pursue al Qaeda until this fringe element of a fringe element of Islam becomes a memory.  It is you, sir or madame, who are a bigger threat to the America we all love than anything Osama is capable of doing.
During the Americn Revolution, the Quislings in America were called Tories.  They were the ones who were afraid of losing the benefits they had received by being loyal to the British Crown.  They were loyal to King George and thought the people who were formenting revolution to overthrow the king's tyranny were little more than traitors and evildoers.  Looks like little has changed in this country over the past 230+ years.  We still have those loyal to our preent day King George calling everyone who opposes him 'traitors' while the rel traitors to the American Revolution are those who support him.  Many of those who both signed the Declaration of Independence and had a hand in writing the US Constitution greatly feared an imperial leader who would unilaterally go to war, take away civil liberties, and loot the country of its financial resources for his own gain.  Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and Alexander Hamilton must be turning over in their graves right now to see what this country's political leadership has led us to.  
I will accept we need to stay in Iraq another year if Bush accepts responsibility for this bungled military action, and resigns.
Petraeus who recieved a Phd on what we learned from Vietnam obviously is not worth the paper it was written on because we are just repeating history again. Another general like Westmoreland who is unwilling/unable to speak the truth but be lapdogs for corrupt and lying administrations. Throughout history and now our foreign policies has consisted of either covertly (CIA) overthrowing a democratic government and installing a military dictatorship (Chile) and/or fear mongerring (domino theory) in Southeast Asia to rationalize our 10 years misery in Vietnam. Now we are in a quarmire/fiasco called Iraq; same scenario in regards to why we are their; labeling as unpatriotic those who god forbid speak out against it and dividing the country. The only differance is the draft and OIL that continues to drive the greedy corporate/military industrial complex. It will be a cold day in hell before I allow my 16 y/o son to fight in this illegal war.
Found this interesting.....

Cindy Sheehan arrested at Petraeus hearing  
By Klaus Marre  
September 10, 2007  
Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested Monday in or near the hearing room where Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker are testifying on the situation in Iraq, according to the U.S. Capitol Police.

Four anti-war protesters were arrested for disorderly conduct. One of them, who was not named, is being taken to George Washington Hospital “due to complaint of injury” and is also charged with assault on a police officer.

According to the information from the Capitol Police, Sheehan and the other three were shouting in a hallway.

Sheehan was the face of the anti-war movement before saying in May of this year that she would “retire” from the cause. Shortly thereafter, she announced that she would seek the congressional seat of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

Assaulting a police officer while on federal grounds?
should be good for a two year prison sentence.


So what, Jerry! Cindy got arrested. Nothing new there... she's been arrested before. What in the hell does THAT have to do with the hearings and, most importantly, what is being said?!

Yeah, assaulting a police officer (allegedly, of course) is a real horrible crime that easily dwarfs this obscene war. Nice demonstration of your 'intelligence' there.
Jerry, you assualt our national credibility on this national stage.  Go away please.


<Cindy Sheehan arrested at Petraeus hearing>


No one saw that coming.
If you have noticed the four stars on Petraeus shoulder that may have something to do with his report. After the success in the first Iraqi war (The good one) a grateful congress advanced him to permanent four star rank otherwise he would have retired as a 3 star. First Petraeus was supposed to report in July then someone said"Hey lets make it coincide ith 9/11.
Sorry folks but Bush is succeeding in his objective because while most of the politico’s are obsessed with the military involvement we are not asking Bush why he continues to ignore and avoid engaging Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Turkey in a diplomatic solution.  We need to stop getting duped into the ridiculous argument about staying or going and demand to know why Bush would rather keep our troops involved than negotiate with the people who can and will settle this crisis with our without us?

I believe that history will show that the moment the decision to invade Iraq was made, Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia were handed an enormous strategic victory.  This victory was compounded when the Bush administration decided to disband the Iraqi military.  The only way out of Iraq is for our leadership to admit this fact and negotiate the best possible settlement.  Bush has proven he is perfectly willing to let our kids die to avoid his embarrassment.  This is what we should be focused on.
Doesn't anyone find it strange that the person (General Petraeus) commanding the surge and who
will either be credited with its success or blamed for its failure also gets to "grade" its progress?
Isn't that a little like taking a test and then giving yourself an "A" without the benefit of anyone else seeing the results?  The surge may have brought about relief (with the help of the tribal chiefs who decided even before the surge they would fight against the insurgents), but it certainly hasn't done anything to help the political situation, which was its stated goal - to give the Iraqi government a chance.  Their best accomplishment?  Taking the month of August off for vacation.  
Boley:

If this is what Moveon.org and the pink broads are all about.....flapping the gums and doing bad newspaper ads with information in which they have no idea what they are talking about, then they deserve everything they get comng to them.  Then they go to a public hearing where they disrupt and flap their gums some more without even hearing what the general is saying, then they get everything they deserve, including pepper spray in the eyes if so deserved.

The liberals in congress are right, Moveon.org and the pink broads are really nothing but a bunch of %^&!
Hi, my name is Bush. I am the president of the world. Today is the anniversary of the 9/11 … you are shaky now… I am scared too. What if I was not in the elementary school of Florida? What if one of their planes did hit white house while I was there? It was so close. My two kids would lose their dear father and my wife would lose her husband. Yes, that was my mistake; I thought Saddam was behind this. Here is my reason: He tried to kill my dad. I repeatedly asked Richard: “Is Iraq behind this?”  He didn’t answer yes and that was why he had to leave and MoveOn. But I guarantee you that I would stay on my path until the end of my term. My decision was made five years ago and you know me: I would not change like those flip-floppers. Tell you a secret: flip-flopper is a nickname for my opponent John K. What made me a president again in second term? Five golden words:
1. Give your opponent a bad nickname;
2. Tell people that your opponent does not believe God;
3. No abortion, no abortion, no abortion!
4. “Support my war” equals “support our troops” because war creates projects and project create spending;
5. Remember 9/11 with Iraq war.

Simple, right? I am a simple man: no flip-flop. But I am a passionate man. Let’s pray for those men and women … 3000 (in NY) + 3700 (300000 or more Iraqis) + more … for those wound as well…Let’s pray for their family and kids. I am sad; would you?
Betrayus is Westmoreland Redux, just as Iraq is Vietnam redux.  And lots of people used to protest Vietnam, so Sheehan is just the anti-war movement redux, but on an unfortunately smaller scale.  What goes around comes around, and we are playing out the same sad story (and it will have the same sad ending) as before.  I agree we should de-fund the war and end it before the Dems take over, so the REpubs won't have them as whipping boys, but the Dems are too spineless right now, so the same sad story will have a very predictable ending.
Then of course there are the voices of the Democrat frontrunners to be considered. Even Edwards top political handlers and advisers admit[yesterdays FR]that troops at battalion-level at a minimum will be required to stay in or near Iraq to engage in counterinsurgency operations within that nation.
            Hillary also envisions troops remaining in the region,as does Biden in order to allow his partition to have any chance of success. Thus the idea that the Democrat party will ensure that ''all''of the troops will 'come home''is based upon hopeful speculation,rather than fact. Yesterdays testimony by Crocker and Petraeus shows clearly that the majority of Democrats will not succumb to the leftwingers ''My Way Or We Will Scream And Wear Funny Clothes''approach. As I observed yesterday before Dionne even touched his finger to a keyboard to write his article,the Democrats have painted themselves into a box.

       ''It is akin to grabbing the wolf by both ears.You didn't like it,but you didn't dare let it go'' Thomas Jefferson.
U.S. Congressman and Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich: The U.S. Must Pay Reparations to the People of Iraq. This is the title of the syrian taped video with D. Kucinich. ?Reparations? Piss Off Dennis...

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1550.htm
Look, we can't leave Iraq in this mess. We broke it, we bought it. No other nations will step in and correct the colossal  arrogant failure of the Bush administration. Repair will have to wait till the next President can take advantage of some international help to get a multinational force between the Iraqi factions set to tear themselves apart. We should have been spreading LIBERTY not democracy, which is difficult to explain, much less implement. Liberty is simple to understand, and worth fighting and dying for.
Second, the military (for whom Petraeus speaks) is doing a tremendous job under impossible conditions. Our soldiers will not lose the military part of this war. Unfortunately, more of them will die before this is over. I believe the Bush Administration does not care if the military is broken, their crackpot theories of "democracy" override their concern for ordinary Americans in all parts of life--homeowners, small business, farmers,  the working poor. Maybe this crushing of our military is Bush's "payback" for being asked to serve during Vietnam. He has a long memory and a short fuse.
What burns my hide is that nobody responsible for this disaster will pay like our soldiers--they all go off to conservative think tanks, or "Fantastic Freedom Institutes" and "replenish the ol' coffers"  and leave our system and a large part of our best and brightest, bleeding. We need both political parties, we need our checks and balances as the Founders saw them, and it will be a while before things get back to balance.
The damage to our system and way of life is immense, and I believe that it is this damage that poses the true threat to our way of life. my 2 cents
Er Jerry,
Cindy Sheehan is a great American standing up for what she believes in.  The rightwing crackers like to vilify her and belittle her message but they (you) are flat wrong.  What sacrifice have you made to this misguided/evil war?  I didn't think so.  Gary, I'll see September 15th.
Like a general will ever admit defeat? NEVER! Thats how foolish this whole report thing is. Ridiculous!
This fool Petraeus is just another flunky that Bush has used to make himself look better. Look what has happened to all the folks who have gotten close to and or have help Bush.....almost all have been destroyed in some way. Bush is dangerous.
You ninny-hammers.  Lies...what lies?  Accept your role as unpatriotic, apologetic, whining, defeatist who would like nothing more than to see two bit dictators and terrorist rule everywhere blaming the US for anything and everything.  Go back to your debauchery and impotent governance.
Petraeus is Bush`s flunkie and everyone knows it.
He (Bush) went to Iraq just to solidfy the report that Petraeus would present. The Democrats need to get off their asses and stop this maddness.
Wnhy would they not ask questions that needs tom be answered.  Like what was the reason for the war in  Iraq the first place (WMD)and when that was not comfirmed why did Bush keep the troops there ( Saddam Hussiem) he`s not there anymore, now so that the Iraq can have a democracy, hell from the looks of things we don`t have a democracy what we have is a bigger TYRANT/DICTATOR than Iraq had in Saddam.
The Iragis do not need us there if they question was put to a vote on what the Iraqis wanted it would be for the Americans to leave their country.
IMPEACHMENT!!........IMPEACHMENT!!.......IMPEACHMENT!!
EJ Dionne writes, that before Petraeus “began his account of the 'substantial' progress brought about by the troop increase in Iraq, congressional critics of President Bush's policy had come to the depressing conclusion that the surge has done what the administration needed it to do. . . ."

What?  That the surge succeeded?  And the critics of the war are depressed over this fact?  How distorted and deranged is the thinking of the progressives in the US?  It is one thing to say that we are losing.  It is quite another is to wish that we lose.  And this is the position the liberals want to take.  Sounds like a losing proposition for them.  

The cover is getting torn off on the progressives, and it's not a pretty sight of what is underneath.  As expected though, it is a bunch of people that hate America.
Ok, everyone hold hands and play the George Bush game, to see how long we can delay the withdraw of our brave American troops. May be we should have a lottery, my bet is that he will leave 130,000 troops in Iraq until the next President, a Democrat takes office.Oh I believe everything thease people tell us, dont you ?
Unfortunately, the Move On ad was correct in predicting that Petraeus would "betray us." Just as the ad predicted, he avoided admitting what everyone with any sense knows: the Iraq war is unwinnable.  Iraq has ceased to exist as a nation. It's disintegrated into a Mad Max-like hell hole thanks to Bush's incompetent mismanagement and Bushite  yes-men like Betrayus.

The next president will have no choice but to make a rapid withdrawal  of US troops from Iraq  in order to avoid a total breakdown of the US armed forces.

Bush thinks putting off the inevitable until after he's out of office  will allow him to blame others for the Iraq debacle, but the blame lies entirely with him and his enablers. When the Repub war mongers start asking "who lost Iraq?" the answer is clear: "George W. Bush lost Iraq."  
Well, the ad must not have been 'bad' because it sure riled up all the Righties. Obviously, MoveOn touched a nerve! You're so angry that you cannot even give credit where credit is due. LOL!

Frankly, you fools on the Right can scream about it until your throats BURST!
Good points, Class Warrior, but the main difference is that there is no draft.

Honestly, I am with Ranel on the draft issue: bring it back. Then we'll how long this war will go on.

Perhaps the draft is what's needed to jolt the American people out of its collective coma. We have been asleep for way too long which is why we have such an impotent Congress fighting a losing battle with what could possibly be the worst President EVER.
That's 'RANGEL', not 'RANEL'.

LOL...
No one wins. It's a war of man.
jerry/corpus christi texas--Point of information.
The point of Civil Disobedience as a method of dissent IS to get arrested. That was the idea.
Congress as an institution does not like to be disrupted. Members of Congress both Liberal and Conservative will defend their institution as they should.
Citizens who disagree with the Institution are entitled to use their free speech to express themselves. Congress is entitled to keep order in it's proceedings. If Citizens choose to disrupt legal proceedings of Congress then they will be subject to legal consequences. Sometimes it is important to disobey authorities to make a point.  Sometimes it is worth being arrested to stand up for what you believe and stand against injustice. Sometimes that is the last recourse of people of conscience.
Believe it or not, the civil disobedience at the Petraeous testimony is an example of the system working. It is messy and frustrating but it is working.
M. Boley [[Perhaps the draft is what's needed to jolt the American people out of its collective coma.]]

Unless the US withdraws from Iraq soon, a draft will be necessary just to keep the US army from breaking down. Also, there will have to be a big fat tax increase. Since we can't tax Bush's base, the poor downtrodden super-rich, the middle class will have to bear onerous war tax burden
"As expected though, it is a bunch of people that hate America."

Well, I can only speak for myself but I can honestly say that I do not hate America. I can say in all honesty though that I hate the Far Right.
Ahhhh Ken?

If Cindy Sheehan is so big and brave why doesn't she run for congress and get it changed?

Oh yeah she is running against nancy pelosi.....

Maybe she should run to new York and run for congress there.  i think Nancy is wayyyyyy too much woman for her to handle.

I don't know about California law, but if she is found to be guilty of a felony, does that disqualify her from running for congress?
Uh,M.Boley. When did Joe Biden become a ''Rightie''as even he condemned this ad?[ While we are about it,www.instapundit.com ,for the complete list of senators and congressmen,each and every one of them, Democrats,save the sole socialist Bernie Saunders[I-NH]that have garnered MOVEON loot.[and yes,several of these MOVEON recipients are presently serving in both committees hearing the Petraeus report]. MOVEON can now be justly referred to as the ''AIPAC''of liberal politics in America,though its demands are ultimately more damaging to the long-term health of the Republic than any support of the tiny Jewish state.[which will continue under a Democrat presidency anyway,if not by some creature created by MOVEON].
Boley - Honestly, I am with Ranel on the draft issue: bring it back.


Sure, lets get that done asap.  Be sure to call your congresscritters and recommend they introduce the legislation today if possible.  Also make sure Reid and Pelosi both hold press conferences encouraging all to vote for it.  And then lets put it to a vote in both Houses.

And once again we'll have the Democrats on the record.  And once again, the Democrats can run away from their votes later on down the line.

You guys really make this too easy.  


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