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Oh-eight (D): More on Hsu

Posted: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:13 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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CLINTON: The New York Times reports that the Clinton campaign is returning the $850,000 Norman Hsu raised, “viewing the money as tainted. Yet the campaign is also risking another public relations mess by saying that it would take back the money if it clearly came from the donor’s bank account, not from Mr. Hsu or another source. The risk is that Mrs. Clinton will appear to want more cash no matter whether it was once colored by a disgraced donor.”

“The campaign will try to get most of the donors to give the money back right after the refunds, said a senior Democratic strategist who advises Mrs. Clinton’s campaign. ‘That’s the plan,’ the strategist said.”

The New York Daily News reveals that “FBI agents are collecting e-mail evidence in the widening [Hsu] scandal.”

The Washington Post delves into the Clinton campaign's claims that its background check on Norman Hsu didn't turn up any problems. "Though a commonly used public record search shows that Hsu had multiple business lawsuits filed against him dating to 1985, filed for bankruptcy in 1990, and was a defendant in two 1991 California court matters listed as possible criminal cases, the campaign said its computer checks used insufficient search terms that did not include the two middle names Hsu used in the California case. ‘In all of these searches, the campaign used the name Norman Hsu, which, like the search results of other committees and campaigns, did not turn up disqualifying information,’ Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson explained.”

More: “Clinton campaign chairman Terence R. McAuliffe -- famous for his careful, methodical courting of big donors and fundraisers -- said in an interview yesterday that he does not know where Hsu came from. ‘I don't know how he became involved in the Clinton campaign,’ McAuliffe said. ‘I've never asked the man for a check.’” Interestingly, the article notes that Bill Clinton's foundation returned Hsu's money before the Clinton campaign did.

Another potential problem for the Clinton campaign? The Politico writes that Rep. Henry Waxman, who is investigating the political influence on some of the Bush White House decisions, is allowing his GOP committee members' curiosity about how much the Clinton White House played politics by asking to examine a slew of Clinton-era materials. "In a letter this week, Waxman suggested Republicans satisfy their curiosity by reexamining what he estimates are more than 2 million pages of documents about the Clinton White House and the Democratic National Committee that House investigators amassed in the 1990s.

“The extraordinary search was prompted by revelations that Bush aides have conducted political briefings for GOP appointees at federal agencies before big elections. Democrats have complained that the sessions could violate the Hatch Act, which is designed to insulate federal employees from political pressure.”

OBAMA: Per NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum, the Obama campaign sent two text messages to supporters yesterday. One of them, received at 3:30 pm ET, said: “Please REPLY to this message with your five-digit ZIP code to receive local Obama campaign news and periodic updates. Thanks for your help. Scott at Obama HQ.” The next, at 8:40 pm ET, said: “Barack is giving a major Iraq policy speech tomorrow.  He will also be live on the Today Show tomorrow morning at 7:00am. Visit BarackObama.com for more info.”

Obama's never been a favorite of the Jewish political community and now he may give those folks more reason to shy away from him with the high profile he's giving Zbigniew Brzezinksi.

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Hillary is not unlike all the other presidential candidates, Democrat and Republican, in thinking if you launder money donated to the campaign enough times, it comes out clean.
There are so many loopholes in the campign financing laws that it is almost impossible to not be able to find a way to get money from whomever you want at any time.
It is time the American public stood up and said, enough. We want campaign money restricted to a certain amount for each candidate taken from the public treasury. No PAC money, no union money, no personal financing so that the playing fied can be leveled for all that wish to take part.
How about some publicity on ALAN FABIAN?
He is/was MITT ROMNEY's NATIONAL FUNDRAISING CO-CHAIRMAN as well as A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE GIULLIANI CAMPAIGN.
FABIAN was INDICTED ON 23 COUNTS of MAIL FRAUD, BANKRUPTCY FRAUD, MONEY LAUNDERING, PERJURY, and OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE on August 9th.
But the mainstream media ignores THAT scandal!
Why do you pick on The Clintons and give Romney and Giulliani a pass?
Can you answer that for me please, Domenico?
Per NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum, the Obama campaign sent two text messages to supporters yesterday. One of them, received at 3:30 pm ET, said: “Please REPLY to this message with your five-digit ZIP code to receive local Obama campaign news and periodic updates. Thanks for your help. Scott at Obama HQ.” The next, at 8:40 pm ET, said: “Barack is giving a major Iraq policy speech tomorrow.  He will also be live on the Today Show tomorrow morning at 7:00am. Visit BarackObama.com for more info.”

Did I miss something...what in the name of all that's sane was this comment worth?  Thanks for letting us know they text...I think that's old news.  As for the comment about Ben Smith,...I couldn't agree more with the majority of people who commented.  I wonder if the comment by Ben would be made if he was supporting Hillary.  probably doesn't help that he thinks Hillary is "YESTERDAY" and that being First Lady doesn't qualify as experience.
I'm shocked Henry Waxman is getting involved in this. I guess Bill will be talking to him shortly.

The Clinton's are watching to make sure the message doesn't get wiped out by the Hsu mess LOL!  New message this week "Clinton campaign caught in Chop Suey".

Merle: I am shocked at your post!  Hillary wants all the media; now she gets it!  Bill had his Chinese problems and now Hillary is wearing the other Hsu. Why pick on the other candidates when you have a living history like Hillary Clinton.  If she came clean and told the world everything, from Vince Foster to Norman Hsu, maybe she might get a pass.  But she wants to be secretive, that's fine.  We can use Indiana Jones to find all the secrets.
Oh and by the way...........The Romney Campaign said it will return Fabian's money....but NOT money from donors that Fabian solicited.
Isn't that the same situation as the Hsu thing?
Why isn't the media reporting on THAT?
Domenico, can you PLEASE answer me?
I just keep asking myself .. what was it about the Clintons that America was so weary about that Al Gore didn’t even want them to campaign for him back in 2000 ?

Now I remember .. it was everything.
J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY / looks like your gal hillary is as corrupt as any of the repub candidates, thats a real feather in her hat
WASHINGTON (Map, News) - Hillary Clinton's links to illegal fundraising by Asian-Americans in 1996 should have made her wary of accepting $850,000 from a fugitive Asian-American this year, a rival presidential campaign said Tuesday.

The criticism came from an adviser to former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson, who chaired a Senate investigation into illegal contributions by Asian-Americans to Bill Clinton's re-election campaign and the couple's legal defense fund in the 1996 election cycle.

Thompson adviser Rich Galen said Clinton's 2008 campaign has become "the sequel" to her husband's scandal-plagued 1996 campaign


Waxman has opened the door to what the Republican will enjoy in a GE if Hillary makes it that far.  Democrats had better wake up.  You better believe they will hold anything that they find until then
I love it. The campaign for a Presidential candidate and current United States Senator couldn't get the needed criminal and civil liabilities of one of their major campaign contributors. Who the hell is running that campaign anyway--Elmo? Then again, Terence R. McAuliffe (I love that he's using his full first name to make himself look so dignified) never met a contribution check he didn't like. Even better about this story is that Bill Clinton's foundation learned about Hsu and returned the money donated to them long before Hillary.

I wish the part about Hillary returning the money, but not really returning it would make MSM front-page news. It's important for the general public to see just how low and dirty she really is. She's really keeping money that was raised for her by a convicted felon who has been on the run for 15 years. What other skeletons are in her closet? Instead of talking about how she walks on water, how about a real journalistic investigation into what is going on in her campaign and a look at her books? If her fundraisers are fighting amongst themselves, there's more there than just Norman Hsu.

Longtime Clinton foe Judicial Watch signaled it will join G-men and journalists on Hsu's trail and try to pressure the Justice Department and Senate Ethics Committee to take action.

"Were they knowingly benefiting from illegal straw donor contributions? Were they put on notice?" asked Tom Fitton, president of the conservative watchdog group.

New York Daily News article


Wake up Democrats, this and other issues of the past are going to dog her throughout the campaign...Please explain  HOW she represents change?  A Clinton win will automatically mean a democrat loss in 08
J. Merle Stanley


It was the Republicans turn a while back with Jack Abramoff.  Now it's the Democrats turn with Norman Hsu.

We take turns in the sandbox, otherwise you get a timeout.
the media always chases the democrats---yes,the same so called liberal media.Is it because they are bought and paid for by the GOP?Romney has had numerous members of his campaign arrested but it just dies down and fades away.Why is the media ignoring the vitter-prostitute case?The second one.
Why should I care about all of this?  This is merely distraction style campaign politics.  It takes the focus away from the real issues facing this nation,the so called war on terrorism, the Iraq quagmire, the tanking economy, escalating out of control health care costs, the culture war, immigration, oh, and the all too important one that seems to be getting the shaft lately, THE ENVIRONMENT!!!!  All the diatrob by the Hillary bashers, the nonsensical neocon Rove-style comments, and the like, do nothing to address these concerns.  I want to hear real answers to ALL of these problems, not stupid Hsu-commentary.
Why should I care about all of this?  This is merely distraction style campaign politics.  It takes the focus away from the real issues facing this nation,the so called war on terrorism, the Iraq quagmire, the tanking economy, escalating out of control health care costs, the culture war, immigration, oh, and the all too important one that seems to be getting the shaft lately, THE ENVIRONMENT!!!!  All the diatrob by the Hillary bashers, the nonsensical neocon Rove-style comments, and the like, do nothing to address these concerns.  I want to hear real answers to ALL of these problems, not stupid Hsu-commentary.
First Read/MSNBC...shame on you.  That's Mika's father.  She works with you guys and you are going to reference an article(Ben Smith) that has no purpose other than to try and slim her father.  I expect ednothing better from Ben.

Have you no shame...The Clinton's must really have a "grip' on you.
jerry.....and yo' boy Giulliani let how many firefighter's die on 911, because he refused to listen to them about the repeater radio system that didn't work?
What about the money he took from someone who's been indicted on 23 counts including bankruptcy fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, perjury, and obstruction of justice. (Alan Fabian)
Nice huh?
....and what about the $220,000.00 fine Giuliani had to pay here in NY for violating state campaign finance regulations?
Why pick on Hillary, jerry?
Why not take some of that "personal responsibility" we hear about so often from you republiCANTS?
Guess that'll never happen, huh?
why was Bush not forced to give Enron money back to Kenny boy lay?Oh that is right he got paid off---he is dead
"...J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY / looks like your gal hillary is as corrupt as any of the repub candidates, thats a real feather in her hat
MK,MO (Sent Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:16 AM)...."

Actually MK, there is no hard evidence to suggest that any candidate who took money from Hsu, including Hillary, knew of his past, and believed in good faith that it was all on the up and up.
By contrast, Mitt Romney's National Fundraising Co-Chairman, and Giulliani Campaign Contributor Alan Fabian, was charged with crimes specifically relating to dirty money. (i.e. Mail Fraud, Bankruptcy Fraud, and Money Laundering)
Mike.....Romney's campaign is doing the exact same thing with Fabian's money. They are returning HIS contribution.
BUT, they arent returning money that comes from people whom he arranged for to be contributors.
It's the exact same thing!
At least Hillary's people are asking for some sort of judgement on what they should keep or give back. Romnney is flat out saying he won't give back money from Fabian's friends.
Why shouldn't THAT make the front pages of what you call the "MSM"? Why the double standard, Mike?
Booorrring! Hillary will get through this just fine. Just something the right wing nuts are trying to pin on her.
SHe is giving the money back, people should just stop critizing her.
Geez, J Merle, you're really flailing about today, aren't you?

It's okay, the rest of the Dem field doesn't stand a chance against your girl, and Romney isn't going to be the GOP nominee, so the fundraiser scandals will go away.

But I like the defense :  EVERYBODY ELSE DOES IT!!!

My mom used to respond to me when I used that line "if they were jumping off of a bridge, would you too?"
lets read this slowly people, she si giving back almost $900,000, but unreported by most media is that 40MILLION DOLLARS is Missing from Hsu fund. I wonder where it could be? If you don't think the republicians are waiting for Hillary to be nominated, then pounce on her with evrythign they got then you are in la la land, and talk is Bill Clinton alleged Rape of Juanita Broaddick is resurfacing. Google: Clinton Rapes click on the first one. Obama/Edward '08, its the only way, I think it was Chris Matthews, I'm not sure, that said of the rape, the evidence is very beleivable,so did Myers of NBC.
Mika Brzezinksi is a network host on MSNBC and you guys link to a site that makes disparging remarks about her father just to 'stick it to " Obama...

Joe Scarborough is NO fan of Obama 's and uses every chance he can to disparge him...but at least he had enough decency and respect for his co-worker this morning to refrain from baseless and crass remarks.

Tell me guys how would you feel if your co-workers did that to you about your mother ( link to a site, that had no news purpose other than to try and disparge their name).  There was nothing news worthy in that article.  It was trying to do a hit job on Obama using her father ( and trying to suly his reputation)

Mika...with co-workers like this you don't need enemies.  
Hey bb, isn't it something how all these numb nut repubs fear an intelligent female candidate?
Maybe Hsu was hired to discredt Hillary. If so, it could be a swift boat pac or a move on pac. To much money to much influence. We will never know the who is pulling the strings in this pupet race.
Why does this issue matter?  Because it goes to whether I can trust that the candidate will solve that problem in they way they believe.  It is also an important issue of campaign financing restrictions that we have put in place falsly thinking it will solve the problem.  It also shows the hipocrisy of those who blame others playing favorite to China when money from China is coming to them.
BSB - you got the words out of order.  Should go like:

Hey bb, isn't it something how all these intelligent  repubs fear a numb nut female candidate?

And, yes, we do.

Glad to have helped.
J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY / hillary has know hsu for twenty some years but she doesn't know he's a crook? please
They are absolutely teerrriifiied of the little lady.Big strong macho men, shaking in their boots when her name is mentioned. Shes sooooo powerful!! Ha, I love it!
Some kind of friends - Mika's a big girl, and very intelligent in her own right.  It's pretty insulting that you portray her as this weak little girl crying because someone said something mean about her daddy.
I'm sure this is not the first time people have been critical of her father - that's a fact of life for children of politicians.  
I have all the confidence in the world that Senator Clinton will be our next President.
She is the best politician in the party.  She can out debate and raise money better than all the rest.  She is the best.  I am sure she can out sleaze the sleaziest repukes and Dem's .  You go Hill show the BOYS how it is done. Rob a bank if ya have to, I will still vote for you.
You can beat them at their own game.  You are smarter, you work harder, you comprise, you multitask, you know the players and you will win.
If the scum bag in the WH can get elected you sure can, do what ever you need to do. Get in there and throw him out!  You are a politician and you know how all the nasty, dirty, bad boys operate.
OH yeah ask the shrub if could leave God in the oval so you have some help, seems that worked for him.
Not that you even need outside help, that is wayyy out there!:)
For most of us. She accepted some dirty money.  She realized it was dirty.  She returned the money.  End of story - time to move on to the real news; Iraq, Health Care, AMT...
".....J. Merle Stanley


It was the Republicans turn a while back with Jack Abramoff.  Now it's the Democrats turn with Norman Hsu.

We take turns in the sandbox, otherwise you get a timeout.
Norm Cash, Lansing MI (Sent Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:58 AM)...."

OH...OKAY, SO AH, WHEN DO THE REPUBLICANS GET BACK IN THE SANDBOX WITH THEIR LITTLE PALS MITT ROMNEY, GIGOLO RUDY G, AND ALAN FABIAN?
SEEMS THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS BLOCKING THEM OUT OF THAT PROVERBIAL SAND BOX OF WHICH YOU SPEAK.


Bruce, NV...."everybody else does it" isn't the point.
There isn't any credible evidence that Hillary, or any other candidate who took money from Hsu, even KNEW about his past.
Furthermore, Hillary's campaign has said they will give the money back.
Romney's campaign says they'll keep money from donors that Fabian brought in.
...AND THEREIN LIES THE DIFFERENCE!
The point isnt that its okay for all to do it, if one gets away with it.
The point is that there isnt any evidence Hillry did anything wrong and it's being reported, and jumped upon as if she did.
While Romney's National Fundraising Co-Chairman was indicted for MONEY LAUNDERING for chripe's sake, and NOTHING is being said or reported about it!
>> shaking in their boots when her name is mentioned

Thats not shaking, it's laughing.

Might want to make your way down to Lens Crafters.  They're having a sale this week.
Merle Merle Merle:

We just keep adding chapters to your girl from Illinois/Arkansas/New York.....

The dirty money....
The Chinese connection.....
Vince Foster..........

I know in New York, they love their politics dirty as heck......

By the time the media connects the dots, I'm afraid your girl is going to go down faster then Monica did on.....eh, I won't go there.

Bill Clinton brought dishonor and shame on the white house, the likes we have never seen before....
Do we really need 4 years of investigations and cover ups Merle.....

What IS in that warehouse in Little Rock that Hillary is so secretive about.......

Why won't she let us have a taste........

Is it something filthy?

Being a betting man......

I would bet a million it is....


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