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Iraq

Posted: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:16 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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Per NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan, Obama in his speech today will lay out a detailed withdrawal plan from Iraq, and map out what American foreign policy would look like under an Obama presidency. Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki says, "Obama will outline what this war has cost us as a nation and lay out his plan for ending the war -- with new policy proposals on troop withdrawals, diplomacy within Iraq and offer aggressive action to deal with Iraq's humanitarian crisis: and talk about what American can accomplish in the world once we end the war."

According to excerpts the campaign has released, Obama will say: “There is something unreal about the debate that’s taking place in Washington… The bar for success is so low that it is almost buried in the sand. The American people have had enough of the shifting spin. We’ve had enough of extended deadlines for benchmarks that go unmet. We’ve had enough of mounting costs in Iraq and missed opportunities around the world. We’ve had enough of a war that should never have been authorized and should never have been waged.”

More: "I opposed this war from the beginning. I opposed the war in 2002. I opposed it in 2003. I opposed it in 2004. I opposed it in 2005. I opposed it in 2006. I introduced a plan in January to remove all of our combat brigades by next March. And I am here to say that we have to begin to end this war now.”

The AP notes that Obama will be introduced by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter’s national security advisor. Brzezinski has endorsed Obama, but this is his first appearance with the campaign.

President Bush will give a primetime address on Thursday on endorsing Petraeus' recommendations. The Washington Post: “White House aides said they are working on a 20-minute prime-time speech that Bush will give tomorrow night, in which he will endorse the main elements of the strategy outlined by Petraeus and Crocker on Capitol Hill this week. They said the president plans to emphasize that he is in a position to order troop cuts only because of the success achieved on the ground in Iraq, and that he is not being swayed by political opposition. Aides said that he plans to outline once again what he sees as the dire consequences of failure in Iraq and that he will make the troop cuts conditional on continued military gains.”

The New York Times says that Petraeus and Crocker  “conceded Tuesday that the Bush administration’s overall strategy in Iraq would remain largely unchanged after the temporary increase in American forces is over next summer, and made clear their view that the United States would need a major troop presence in Iraq for years to come… The clashes over war strategy were more intense and emotional than had unfolded during the previous day in the House, reflecting the powerful passions and ambitions of a Senate that includes five presidential aspirants.” 

Speaking of, here’s a look at what presidential candidates said during the hearings, per the Boston Globe’s front-page story…
BIDEN: "The American people will not support an indefinite role whose sole remaining purpose is to prevent the situation in Iraq from becoming even worse.” The Globe also writes that Biden “seemed less interested in data than anecdote.”
CLINTON: “The reports you provided to us require the willing suspension of disbelief.” She called Petraeus and Crocker “the de facto spokesmen of what many of us consider to be a failed policy.”
EDWARDS (in a statement): "It's time for Congress to act. They must stand firm and tell President Bush with one voice: No timetable, no funding. No excuses."
MCCAIN: “I believe we cannot choose to lose in Iraq.”
OBAMA: "You said in this testimony that it's political, the reason for the success in Anbar [province], not because of an increase in troop strength."

The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank yesterday spied an Obama campaign memo, which read: “As you get ready for press around your speech on Iraq, we wanted to make sure you have on one piece of paper the principle [sic] differences between your speech on Iraq and the most comprehensive on Iraq given by Senator Clinton.” Milbank writes, “It isn't entirely surprising that he would be preparing some political barbs for the Democratic front-runner… Still, Obama's juxtaposition -- contemplating the nakedly political as he prepared to question the top U.S. general in Iraq and the U.S. ambassador to Iraq -- was stark.” More: Biden “displayed his disdain for the more popular Obama by conspicuously reading a newspaper while the Illinois senator questioned the witnesses.”

The Hartford Courant covered Dodd’s questions to Petraeus yesterday. “Dodd seemed incredulous [of the assertion that the surge is working]. ‘I don't seem to get any indication, don't get a feeling here that there's any real opportunity or optimism, that this is going to get better,’ the senator said.”

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I'd like to know how Mark Thieme & JIrby are planning on sorting people out when they go on their killing spree.
Obama from kos:

"Let me be clear: there is no military solution in Iraq, and there never was. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year – now. We should enter into talks with the Iraqi government to discuss the process of our drawdown. We must get out strategically and carefully, removing troops from secure areas first, and keeping troops in more volatile areas until later. But our drawdown should proceed at a steady pace of one or two brigades each month. If we start now, all of our combat brigades should be out of Iraq by the end of next year.

"Conventional thinking in Washington lined up for war. The pundits judged the political winds to be blowing in the direction of the President. Despite – or perhaps because of how much experience they had in Washington, too many politicians feared looking weak and failed to ask hard questions. Too many took the President at his word instead of reading the intelligence for themselves. Congress gave the President the authority to go to war. Our only opportunity to stop the war was lost.

"There is something unreal about the debate that’s taking place in Washington… The bar for success is so low that it is almost buried in the sand. The American people have had enough of the shifting spin. We’ve had enough of extended deadlines for benchmarks that go unmet. We’ve had enough of mounting costs in Iraq and missed opportunities around the world. We’ve had enough of a war that should never have been authorized and should never have been waged."

Too true...

The Bush administration has indeed pulled off a coup.  What they have accomplished is nothing short of monumental.

They have governed for 8 years with a bumbling, mumbling, three-time loser, brain-dead as a snail, president.  A man so arrogant as to actually believe he is worthy of the office, all other indications being contrary.

They have used the Constitution of the United States of America as Strom Thurman used Depends.  Poop in it and have someone change it when necessary.

They have made the Congress look like the narcissistic poseurs they are while jamming through war legislation making the case for war about as articulately as Miss Teen South Carolina talking geography.

They have killed tens of thousands of people for a cause that historians will be trying to decrypt for a thousand years, assuming there are any left after this.

All this, and so much more, with abysmally low support from the American people.  Aside from the Bible pounding Bubbas in the South and the blood and guts farmers in the Midwest and West, they have had nobody.  All the smart folks just sighed and watched American Idol for deniability.

Perhaps only Lincoln and FDR got away with as much.  Of course they are already in the Hall of Fame so it's a little late to complain.  But Bush?  Will he ever be vindicated (except, of course, by the "base")?  Not likely.

Therein lies the miracle.  Bush (and his "Hole in the Head Gang") have dominated this nation as few Presidents have and yet virtually no one with a basic community college education supports him.  

He has lied, manipulated, tortured, and warred and it is hard to find anyone on the street not heavily medicated who will say a good word for him.

Yea, the man is stupid, but he is smarter than us.  And we, our children, and our children's children to the 7th generation will curse his name.

Now that is impressive!

Talking talking straight to one another.
MM +++ Obama was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.  He has two brilliant best-selling books.  He took a penniless job after graduating at the top of his class to help poor rural communities organize.  He's spent more time in elected office than Hillary or Edwards.

So the grand total of his political accompishments still appears to be . . . . zero.
The Middle East has been a killing field for centuries; all our invasion and occupation has accomplished is to have provided 150,000 new targets.
I noticed that the "news" media have mostly been ignoring REPUBLICAN Senator Warner's telling question to Petraeus about whether or not the Iraq war was making Americans safer.  Warner's question was so devastating that he probably won't be getting a Christmas card from Laura and Barney this year.

Chris Matthews, of whom I'm not a big fan, deserves much credit for stressing the importance of Petraeus' failure to answer, except to say "I don't know."  There is no purpose for this war except to save George W. Bush's smirking face.

Not OB  Supporter Anymore is right. Obama's "brillant" bestselling books are predictably about---HIMSELF! His campaign is all about his biography. It all about him. No wonder Michelle tries to pull him down a peg or two (and gets grief for it) cause I can't imagine living with such an egomanic.Is there nothing this man says that doesn't have an "I", "me" or "my" attached?
These attacks on Barack Obama are disgraceful!  We desperately need a leader who is right the first time on the important issues of the day.  Obama opposed this unnecessary war in Iraq from the start.  He is not afraid to speak his mind and tell the American people THE TRUTH for a change after nearly 8 years of the LIAR-IN-CHIEF George Bush and Darth Cheney. Should the Democrats be WISE enough to nominate him as their standard bearer in 2008, then victory is assured. This is a CHANGE election...a real watershed in American history.  Obama represents an opportunity to move in a new, more positive direction.  He will work with both parties in the Congress to try to solve this nation's many problems...healthcare, the environment, education.  As leader of the Free World, he will develop a sensible and comprehensive foreign policy that does not seek to alienate our friends oversees and opens a dialogue with our enemies.  Even Richard Nixon met with Mao and Ronald Reagan did the same with the Soviets. Obama will not be afraid to go after the terrorists including Bin Laden...wherever they may be.  This is a man with true integrity and strength of character.  He will sweep Washington clear of the lobbyists and special interests who have a stranglehold on our democracy. That TIDAL WAVE is coming in November, 2008.  The American people are feed up with business as usual.  You can choose to ride that wave or get sucked under!!!
Mark Morris - I'm really hoping you don't think being the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review qualifies someone to be president.  Even Bush went to Yale, remember.

That being said, I don't question Obama's accomplishments; I never have.  I think he is just swell.  I just don't think it's his time.  Not only does he want us to switch ships in the middle of a war, he wants us to switch from ships to planes.  Change is all well and good, but I'm not convinced this is the right time for the sort of sweeping changes his rhetoric indicates that he will be after.  
Hmm. Apparently Petraeus,or Iraq,or Afghanistan,is getting to be too much for some people.

Associated Press Sept.12,2007:''Disturbed Antiwar Protester Can't Find Soldier,Kills Civilian With Axe Instead''.
Not a BO Supporter anymore...Bye
wallywhere. Wonder if Wally has a "My Life's the Toughest" t-shirt?
Tuck,...Hillary will need all the money she can to post bail.  HSU is going to talk bank on it.
Mark Thieme - For some reason I'm not getting posted. Maybe I broke a rule. Anyway, thanks for your input. I hate for people to think they're being ignored. I consider you and three or four others on this board as intelligent enough to keep things real. I also thank Dave, Tn for letting me know what the guys on the low end of the totem pole think. I can always know I've done something right if I rattle the cage of a Dogpatch dweller.
Buschco are bad folks.  Right now they don't much expect a Republican in the White House in 2008(9).  Don't care too much either.

Let the Dems put Humpty back together again.  If there is the expected chaos after any significant pull-out, well W and gang can just smirk and say I told you so.  Or, if by some miracle the whole detachment from Iraq actually goes well for all concerned, of course,  it will be due to the great insights of... Bushco!

Winwinwin!  That's how they see victory in Arabia.

Perhaps history and the Constitution will not be so kind... perhaps there will be a price to pay after all.  Or not.
Bruce,

Darfur is in Africa, not Indochina.

Not a BO supporter,

It would appear that you weren't really that much of a supporter anyway if you are so fickle with your support, as you have shown. I don't know if you watched the other senators speak, but if you did, you should have noticed that all of the difficult questions were answered with "Well, uh, that's not really, uh, my area, so, uh, I don't know." They couldn't even say if they thought Pakistan should be a higher priority than Iraq in terms of al Qaeda. What should he have done? He was smart enough to know that he wouldn't get an answer that wouldn't be twisted to support this war. And if he would have asked his question as soon as his time began, there is still no way to get a satisfactory answer in the 5 minutes he was given.

There is no real problem with what he did, only perceived problems in the minds of those who still don't understand that this war is going nowhere no matter what questions are asked of this administration.
Mr Thieme:

I hate to admit it (I REALLY hate to admit it) but most of my family still supports him.  My uncle, who is incredibly intelligent and has run a very successful business since the age of 18, stands behind him and regularly gets on my case for not doing the same.  (I am the black sheep liberal, after all.)  

That being said, I have never been able to understand what about Bush inspires such loyalty in people.  It is baffling.  He's a glorified country bumpkin who would be nothing without the family name and fortune.  

I just don't get it.
It sure would be nice if I could get my response to Mark Thieme posted.
Sweeping change has never been more badly needed.
If not now, when?
If not Obama then how about Edwards?
Apparently Hillary is more comfortable with the Status Quo? I certainly hope she has intentions of using a mandate (if she can get one)to Change a whole bunch of badly broken things. A good sweeping will be needed. There has been a dry drunk, autistic chimpanzee with A.D.D. in charge of the show for 8 years. Very messy.
Can someone point out any of Obama's accomplishments outside of politics?  None that I can see.  Maybe a lemonade stand when he was a kid.  Hillary?  A little Rose Law Firm work, we all know how that went.  Edwards had a few things including working for a hedge fund and suing doctors out of existence,

Career politicans seem not to be the best solution to any problem.
Thank you Lee Holmes.  Even though you disagree with me you seems to be one of the very few who think Iraqi deaths are even worthy of comment. BTW, what you refer to as the Lancet study is actually a study overseen by John Hopkins University that was published in Lancet. It is a scientifically valid and defensible study that has never been de-bunked. It actually undercounts the Iraqi dead due to our invasion and occupation since it only includes violent deaths and not those due to loss of housing, clean water, food, electricity, medical care, etc.  
Carrie, I hate to say it but I think the Bush supporters are haters.  I haven't met one who didn't immediately go into a tirade about some group they hate. They like Bush because he figurately pokes a stick in the eye of the people they hate. They then cheer and high five the misery he causes.

Obama has voted to fund the war because the Dems can't get enough Republicans to vote against funding the war at this point.  So voting against the war funding will only prolong it, putting our troops at risk.
And Petraeus is the head commander in IRAQ, so he shouldn't be expected to know anything other than how to achieve our military objectives there. Don't blame him for not knowing if we're safer for doing it. That's Condoleeza Rice's job and those who specialize in broader foreign policy issues.  Besides, it's a political issue, not necessarily a military issue.

Iraqi Kurds & Hunt Oil Co. (USA)=deal
Iraqi Parliament & Oil companies (USA)=no deal
Iraqi Kurds vs. Iraqi Parliament=Homberto
Nuanced - I can assure you, my family is not composed of "haters" at all.  I spent an entire day with approximately 20 of them who support Bush.  Not once did they spout off about anything or anyone that they hated...nor do they ever.  
Sorry Carrie, I didn't mean to insult your family.  I was going by my experience of engaging in conversations with Bush supporters. Thinking it over I have met a few Bush supporters who did not spout bigoted reasons but instead said they supported him because he was good for business. There were also some who did not like what he was doing but supported him because they felt he was appointed by God.  I don't recall meeting anyone who supported him because he was inspiring, made us proud or brought us together fostering peace, love and understanding.
nuanced, well said, my experience  with bush supporters also. I don't get either.
Nuanced - Honestly, I have given up trying to understand my relatives when it comes to politics.  All I can surmise is that they are incredibly loyal to the party.  Although I dare say, if it was possible for Bush to be elected again, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of them jumped ship and supported someone else.  Not that it would matter.  Bush could not get elected dog catcher anymore.
Nuanced: This is false. The LANCET study has in fact been criticized and debunked not once but several times,by both liberals and conservtaives,most recently by the International Red Cross. The extrapolation in the LANCET ''study''was based upon a ''95% margin''of error[''certainty''in the form of the study authors], or ''somewhere between 8000 and 194000 battle deaths of Iraqis''. A wildly varied set of numbers which Iraqi death certificates obtained by The Iraq Body Count [IBC],dependably quoted on leftwinged websites as authoritative, have never matched. LANCET is rarely used as a definitive source due to the objections by statistical experts in America and Europe on the dubious means by which LANCET arrived at their numbers.

Also see:WIKIPEDIA:The LANCET Study Support and Criticism.


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