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Iraq: Teeing up Bush's speech

Posted: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:16 AM by Mark Murray
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Also in the new NBC/WSJ poll, 33% says the surge is helping the situation in Iraq, 15% say it’s hurting the situation, and 48% say it’s not making a difference either way. Moreover, only 35% think that removing Saddam Hussein from power was worth the US casualties and cost of the war. Bush’s overall approval rating stands at 33%, a two-point increase from July.

The Wall Street Journal, NBC’s polling partner, writes that the new survey “shows an uptick in support for the president’s handling of the war. However modest, the gains come as welcome news for the White House as it seeks to hold enough Republican Congressional support to sustain Mr. Bush’s Iraq policy through the end of his term. Mr. Bush has been buffeted by high-profile Republican dissent from such party stalwarts as Sens. Richard Lugar of Indiana and Pete Domenici of New Mexico. But majority Democrats haven’t yet come close to amassing the two thirds votes needed in the House and Senate to override a presidential veto of a measure that would force an accelerated withdrawal beyond the gradual drawdown of the 30,000 ‘surge’ troops that Mr. Bush is expected to announce tonight.”

Here is MSNBC.com’s take on the poll.

The New York Times writes that Bush’s “critics say he is trying to have it both ways. He is, they say, taking credit for a drawdown that has been envisioned since he first announced the current buildup on Jan. 10 — a withdrawal that had to be carried out unless he was willing to take the politically unpalatable step of extending soldiers’ tours further.”

Meanwhile, the Washington Post front-pages, “Democratic leaders in Congress have decided to shift course and pursue modest bipartisan measures to alter U.S. military strategy in Iraq, hoping to use incremental changes instead of aggressive legislation to break the grip Republicans have held over the direction of war policy.”

“Standing against them will be President Bush, who intends to use a prime-time address tonight to try to ease concerns that his Iraq strategy will lead to an open-ended military commitment. Both efforts share a single target: a handful of Republican moderates in the Senate whose votes the Democrats need to overcome the threat of a GOP filibuster. Should enough Republican moderates sign on to a compromise measure, Democrats could finally pass legislation aimed at changing direction of the war.”

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Harry reid has a better chance of scoring that sweetheart land deal in Stateside nevada then he does of forcing the President's hand next week.  Things are going well and the libs are beside themselves.
Polls, schmolls!  I have voted since old enough and am now 70 years old.  NOT ONCE have I been asked my opinion in a poll.

And if it is a WSJ poll, I wonder how they selected the people to be polled.

Right now I am so disgusted with both major parties that it is a toss-up as to which one I like the least.  As a a registered Independent for about 40 years, I would really like to see a candidate who stands for what is best for our country - not Mexico, not Iraq, not Israel - but for the United States of America.
If you think the surge is working and like the iraq fiasco, just wait iran is next, of course no beak flappin chicken hawks will sign-up but they will try and talk any and everyone else to die for their cause.
Where are Rice and Gates?
I'm ready for Bush's speech. Fresh batteries in my mumbo jumbo alarm and multiple barf bags at hand. It is on Comedy Central right?
Dubya's plan is to leave this mess to someone else to fix, just like all of the messes in his life.  He needs to be taken out back behind the woodshed and taught a lesson.  Who's in favor of a third party?  I know that I am tired of this 2 party system.
" I would really like to see a candidate who stands for what is best for our country - not Mexico, not Iraq, not Israel - but for the United States of America."

UtahReb.  I agree completely.  We have squandered so much money on this misadventure in Iraq that our own nation is falling apart around us.  Our leaders have sold out to the military-industrial complex, which Eisenhower warned us about 50 years ago, and to multi-national corporations who are loyal to the dollar and nothing else.


    It's time the American people stop lapping up the kool-aid our Jim Jones-like leaders are giving them to drink and start thinking for themselves.  Folks, dirty campaign ads, 30 to 60 minute testimonials and one-line slogans are not going to make our country the best it can be.  Our country was formed by the best minds of the time but its now being destroyed by the mediocrity of today.
Comedy central, MSNBC  same thing.
Actually, our country is being destroyed not by mediocrity but by a combination of the extreme elements of both sides that care nothing about those who are not within their groups and those who wish to profit from exploiting and exacerbating the divisions that already exist in this country.  I fear for the future of the USA.
to jerry,

things are going well?

cut me a break.  cut us all a break.  get a clue.

define victory for us.  you have been running your trap here for such an extended period of time without actually saying anything. if things are going well, define our ultimate goal.  it originally was a feee democratic society (per our idiot president).  now he has changed it to limited sectarian violence.  we have lost over 3,600 soldiers and will have spent over $1 trillion.  all of that for a limited violence goal (and call it a victory).  you have got to be kidding.  Why aren't you signing up to go over?  again, please define victory for everyone.  

sweetheart land deal?  maybe put that one with Hasterts sweetheart land deal.  
jerry, I guess the shiek who was killed helping us would beg to differ that things are getting better!!!!!!!!
mikeeg,abdn,wa If you think the surge is working and like the iraq fiasco, just wait iran is next, of course no beak flappin chicken hawks will sign-up but they will try and talk any and everyone else to die for their cause.



mikeeg, do you have any idea what the "cause" is?  Or are you just flapping your beak?
Yeah, where is Gates, lapdog lackey Rice, and the war czar?
Dubya will tout the 'Surge', tonight.  He will, however, steer clear of the 'Purge' that will happen in November of 2008.
mikeeg.  Way to go. Not only do you know what the cause is, you know what the cause isn't. "Mission Accomplished".
Good point Steve A...where is our new War Csar?  I did not see him with GEN Betrayus this week.  Must be nice to get promoted and sit there and do nothing.

Sit there and do nothing also applies to Jerry and the rest of the neo-com Repugs.
If Bush can keep fooling the people for fourteen more months. He can be off the hook but the GOP will have that albatross to carry for years.
Mike in Rockwall, actually that inability to see the other side is what is causing the mediocrity.  The respect for intellect to solve problems has been lost to the true believer.  Getting what you want has become more important than having what you need.
Comedy central carries comedy shows, MSNBC carries news, Faux News carries fascist propaganda. The point of my earlier post being Bush's speech is a joke. Although not a funny one. A very pathetic one.
The cause is secure an energy supply and maintain a srategic base to influence Middle East politics. Also, allow profiteers to continue to feed.

To hell with the US middle class.
Grasping for straws. Things are going well for Jerry and his warhawk industrialists who have robbed the US coffers while standing soldiers in front of them to die.Sounds like things worked out just like the money makers wanted .ENJOY "things" at all your fellow americans exspence.What do you do now winner.
MSNBC also carries shows about jails.....
Hillary should remember that.
To Flat-earther & kenn, thanks for telling it like it IS. It helps this old heart to know there are still good honest intelligent Americans willing to see & speak the truth. And thanks to all the Jerrys out there too, you make your side of the issues look so ridiculous with some of your statements, any undecided voters will surely see that.
I will have to listen to the idiot tonight and hear the same old crap and lies. I will have to cover the screen though. I can no longer stand to look at his smirking face.
Robert Catalano,

I agree that people are not seeing, as you say.  I also agree that such a failure to see is a form of mediocrity.  However, I also think that certain extremists on both sides are orchestrating the divisiness/"failure to see" that we've seen in this country.  In my humble opinion, the mediocrity -- while a problem -- is far less troubling than the intentional exploitation thereof.  The latter is far more cynical/sinister and more destructive to this great nation than the former (again, in my humble opinion).  Still, the mediocrity is undoubtedly a contributing factor.
I will not be able to watch the little moron tonight...with his smirking, shoulder shrugging, stuttering, repeating lie after lie. Of course he will make the connection between Iraq and 911 and the brainwashed repubs will be watching in their living rooms, drooling and clapping while waving plastic flags. Meanwhile in Iraq, our soldiers are being blown to smitherenes. Bush will continue to lie to save his own skin because the man never cared about dead Iraqis or dead soldiers or the havoc and destruction he has leveled on everyone. What an awful, rotten to the core person he is.
I will not be able to watch the little moron tonight.


What, nobody there to turn the TV on for you?
To all Sunni/Shia leaders: Do not take your photo op pictures with the Shrub you may end up blown up!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
Comedy central carries comedy shows, MSNBC carries news

You think Matthews and Olbermann are giving the news??
ROFL!  You need to crawl out of your parents basement and get more.  Oops, get out more.  Both are correct I guess.

I will not be able to watch the little moron tonight.

I totally understand why!
Olbermann and Matthews are a better news source than fixed news which is where i think you are heading.  They have been on target so far.  they pointed out the iraq war is a mess and a mistake.  While, according to Hannity, orielly and the other waterboys over there, the war was to be over and iraq would be a free democracy (go back to the early tapes and check for yourself if you get a chance).  let me see, mission accomplished (no scratch that), last throes (no scratch that), dead enders (no scratch that), greated like liberators (no scratch that), iraq will be a free society (no scratch that), less sectarian violence (yeah lets go with that and we can call it a victory-forget about all of the other stuff, the administration and faux news were just getting warmed up).

ps, if fox had gotten the scoop on the debacle over at walter reed, it would have never made the air.  luckily, they did not and our soldiers are better off for it.
Has Fox News ever reported any stories about the death of any of our troops in Iraq? If not, seems like a strange way to show respect and support for those who are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, who did not defer serving this country because of having "other priorities." I just do not see how Fox News is conducting itself in a manner consistent with the ideals of true conservativism (like truth and honesty).  
Mediocrity: As in Hillary using,of all people to advise her on foreign policy,the crook Sandy Berger whose idiocy in the last administration regarding al Qaeda was the subject of several tomes written by other insiders who are critical of the present war in Iraq. [Among Bergers foes,former NSA Richard Clarke,Mike Schuher[formerly of CIA],and James Woolsey,former CIA head under Clinton]. Or Mad Albright,whose Mogadihsu scheme to get warlord Adid resulted in debacle,who whistled while Rwanda burned,who backed the brutal opposition bloc in Sierra Leone for the running of that blighted nation,and who invited the Taliban to the US for BBQ and Stetsons. Then there is Sammie Wolf,who declares that the Hsufly is ''100 percent legit''.Howard Wolfson,who is now running the process whereby Hsu bundle donors will get the dough back[the ''850,000$''],only to have these donors immediately give the money back to Hillary. [however,as I observed,it would be well for them to do this,wait a period of about a month until most of the money flows back into Hillarys coffers,and then launch an FBI/FEC investigation of each and every donor to find more people whose last names we can create more puns of,while Hillary again explains herself]. Then there is Terry McAuliffe,whose name is already known to the FBI and the SEC for his dealings with the Ron Carey/Gambino bloc who tried to take over the TEAMSTERS,and his dumping of millions of GLOBAL CROSSING stock immediately before the company sank.
     Hacks,crooks,the inept,the lying,and the woebegone. Heh. And you peoples wanted ''change''in Washington.

Next Up: Why Democrats Believe It Is More Important To Spend Two Billion Dollars In Infrastructure Funding On ''Peace Parks''[ in Dorgans Dakota],Baseball Stadiums[in Testers Montana],and Vegas Casino Museums[in Reids Nevada],Than It Is For Vehicle Bridges Such As The One In Minneapolis.
Be very very quiet. Clock everything you see.
How come there's no coverage in the MSM of Boehner's incredibly insensitive remark about the troops?  If a Democrat had said something similar (about the lives of the troops being a "small price to pay") it would be everywhere.
Lee is starting to sound like jerry, but with a much better vocabulary.
Mediocrtiy:

As in our presidents IQ

You can throw names on both sides of the isle (cheney, haliburton, foley, "brownie", abramoff, craig, vitter, ted stevens, gonzales, duke cunningham, the many more to be named when everything gets put out there).  you are missing the point.  we are talking about IRAQ.

PS, the bridge thing, we will have spent $1 trillion on iraq.  there is your bridge money.

Next Up:  the Gay Ol Party throws a richard simmons roller skate Convention  (i meant grand old party - i think)
" I just do not see how Fox News is conducting itself in a manner consistent with the ideals of true conservativism (like truth and honesty)."

There is more truth and honesty at Fox News then there is on all the other news shows totalled.  Notice that CNN is pirating Fox's staff?  They think the integrity will rub off on them.  Not a chance.

The problem is that the Liberals of this country have gotten so used to the far left stance of the news organizations other then Fox, they view those organizations as being middle-of-the-road.  It is a complete shock to the liberals that there are other view points that now differ from their own.  Rather then being open minded and accepting that there is a different perspective, liberals have choosen to attempt to tear down and denigrate Fox News.  Democrats refuse to appear or debate on Fox because of its so called bias.  The question remains, if the Democrats can't deal with Fox News, how can they deal with real problems?  You won't see a Republican refusing to debate on any network other then Fox.

The closed-mindness of the Left-Wing-Liberals will catch up to them.  They can't ignore where the majority of the country is today.
In re: Pat Ellsnor, I noticed that despite your general, unsubstantiated assertion regarding the level of truth at Fox news you did not try to claim that Fox news has ever reported on any troop casualties.  As a conservative, I do not trust Fox news any more than any other news agency.  Our troops deserve better treatment and more truth than to have their ultimate sacrifice swept under the rug.  As far as where the candidates debate, I do not really care so long as they do debate because I do not base my ability to assess the candidate on which network/group is hosting/broadcasting the debate.
Pat, closed-mindedness? Most of the reps running for president refused to participate in several debates--U-tube, the labor groups forum, and a couple of others.  That is their right to not participate, but it's hypocritical to criticize dems not participating on Fox's events if you don't acknowledge the fact that republicans have been absent at many venues where the dems showed up.  

As far as Fox news goes, I made it a point to watch Fox for a year prior to the 2004 elections, in order to get a broader perspective on national events.  I consider myself an independent because I agree with the dems on some issues, with reps on others.  Unfortunately, I was disappointed by Fox because often what they "reported" was proven to be conjecture, innuendo, and many of their "facts" turned out to be false.  

Republicans may participate on any "network" but apparently they are afraid to answer questions from many groups--labor, gays, Spanish speakers and those who are into U-tube (mainly younger voters).  How can they say they will represent the whole country if there are so many populations they won't even address?
to Pat from Ft Meyers....repeating the same prove lies over and over again does not make them truths. FOX News consistently ignores news items that do not support their agenda. I fail to see any open minded positions aired on FOX News. My feeling is that the so-called liberal media does not air the hard truths and fails to follow up on stories that main-stream America DOES care about. Accountability for our gross over- and mis-spending in Iraq and Katrina is an issue that true fiscal conservatives should be screaming about, but since investigating it would be bad for the GOP, it's not even on most news shows' agenda. I'm tired of hearing about the so-called liberal media. If they were "liberal", they would be doing in-depth reporting on the true costs of the fiasco in Iraq, the deaths and injuries of thousands of American soldiers and contractors and Iraqi citizens.
ken:So was I. You forget that Hillary is merely forward,into the past,and that her pick of cronies will be as effective in the Middle East as they were in the 1990s when we were getting blown up and dragged through streets. Further,what makes you sure enough that one trillion-times-two would not have been already wasted[as it already has been in useless welfare programs stemming from the failed liberal''Great Society''],on more garbage that will evidence nothing that will produce zero? As it is,tens of billons of dollars just since the Dem takeover in January have been frittered away for things that have absolutely nothing to to with Iraq,with our security,with nothing at all  except non-existant companies,Tinseltown glitterati,teacup museums,farm belts in downtown Manhattan,and Muslim madrassas. Your ''Next Up''is a vision from a fertile imagination. Mine,however,is not:

www.porkbusters.com

Citizens For Common Sense www.taxpayers.net
"How do you know when Bush is lying?  Is he moving his lips?"  Funny, but then, really not so funny!  Understand that what Patreaus has proposed is for the surge troops only, after the first token 2000 Marines, to then have the rest follow their originally planned rotation for next year, with 'no promises after that!'  Of course Bush would agree with that as he could have written the recommendation himself (maybe he did).  And watch, he is going to try to make it sound like he is giving some real compromise.  What is really aggravating is that they present this stuff without hesitation as if they not only consider us naive and gullible but also easily manipulated and unimportant.  The worst is that these efforts are always boldly consistent and arrogantly constant and we simply have seen it in everything: War on Terror; War in Iraq; domestic problems; foreign challenges; rationalizing the administration's private agenda for Special Interests; justifying their neglect in Katrina, Homeland security and so much more; and on and on.  You can count on Bush to be bold, confident, deceptive and unbending, literally a sociopathic con-artist.  Enough is enough!  I don't only expect the Democrats to fight this stuff, I also expect the responsible Republicans to step-up and put an end to it.  And I sincerely hope the people recognize and remember all of those who don't, especially in November 2008.  They simply have to be told that the American people don't want more of the same.
errata:Read:Taxpayers For Common Sense [as well as Citizens Against Government Waste at www.cagw.org]


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