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Iraq: Coverage of Bush's speech

Posted: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:13 AM by Mark Murray
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USA Today’s Page says, “With this year's ‘surge’ of U.S. forces and this week's testimony by Gen. David Petraeus, President Bush is getting what he wants on Iraq: More time… In his eighth prime-time appeal since the U.S.-led invasion four years ago, the president endorsed the recommendations Petraeus detailed before congressional panels this week. Bush proposed withdrawing by July 25,000 combat troops deployed in this year's increase and waiting until March before weighing what comes next… By then, the spate of early primaries are likely to have chosen the presidential nominees. Whether to limit the mission or significantly reduce the troop presence in Iraq will turn out to be up to one of them.”

The New York Times’ analysis: “[S]ome Democrats advising Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have privately expressed fears that Mr. Bush is essentially leaving it to the next president to take the responsibility for a rapid pullout — and the blame for whatever chaos or civil war may ensue. And even some moderate Republicans have little interest in talking to voters about an enduring troop presence in Iraq or the region, for fear it suggests that there really is no end in sight. That points to a tactical political victory for Mr. Bush, which is very different from the question of whether he can realize the goal he once described so optimistically: a free, unified Iraq.”

The Los Angeles Times writes, “For more than four years since the invasion of Iraq, President Bush most often has defined his objective there with a single, stirring word: ‘Victory.’… But this week, the word "victory" disappeared from the president's lexicon. It was replaced by a slightly more ambiguous goal: ‘Success.’”

The Boston Globe: “Bush also made clear in his speech that he has no intention of yielding to his critics - including a growing number of fellow Republicans - who want him to give up the fight and disengage from what many believe is an increasingly violent, unresolvable civil war.

The Washington Post fact-checks Bush’s speech, questioning his claims that Iraqi leaders are sharing oil revenues with provinces and allowing former Baathists to rejoin the military; that Baqubah is cleared; that the Iraqi Army is becoming more capable; and that ordinary life is returning to Baghdad. “In his speech last night, President Bush made a case for progress in Iraq by citing facts and statistics that at times contradicted recent government reports or his own words.”

The Washington Times: “Mr. Bush sought to cast the current moment in Iraq as a turning point in the war, and even in U.S. history, and exhorted critics not to give up. ‘Some say the gains we are making in Iraq come too late,’ he said. ‘They are mistaken. It is never too late to deal a blow to al Qaeda. It is never too late to advance freedom. And it is never too late to support our troops in a fight they can win.’”

The Washington Post’s Shales: “Bush may have held out the promise of some troop withdrawals, but he came across as less than conciliatory in the speech, delivered in a stern, stony manner, something like a high-school disciplinarian getting tough, or rather staying tough, with a class of unruly students.”

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LIE:The Bush administration sold its Medicare prescription drug plan to conservatives in Congress as having a cost of $400 billion over ten years, enabling it to narrowly win passage in December 2003.  

FACTS: The White House knew the costs were $551 billion - more than 25 percent higher.   The administration threatened to fire Medicare’s top financial analyst (Richard Foster) if he released the information.  Two months after the President signed the law, the administration revised its costs estimates to $534 billion.

One month after passage of the bill, the White House revealed that the program costs actually were $534 billion - more than 25 percent higher.  AARP, which worked with the administration in drafting the bill, revealed that these higher estimates were "well known in the fall" but is only now being made public. Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington-based budget watchdog group claim Congress got "suckered by a classic financial bait-and-switch by the administration."  

Source: Kemper & Simon - Los Angeles Times 01.31.04, Pugh - Knight Ridder 03.11.04, Kemper - Los Angeles Times 03.14.04, CAP Progress Report 03.15.04.
One more for the road...and for balance and comparison:

I did not have sex with that woman! Bill Clinton
Unlike thre puckers dems will take responsibilty for the mess in Iraq if we leave .Are the puckers willing to take responsibilty for the past 4 years of this war seems only fair.It cant get worse Darfur is such a red herring that petraus throws out it will never be darfur the two sides are way to well armed in Iraq.
Giving credit: the lies are from http://www.bushlies.net/. There you can read about:

HIDING THE TOLL OF THE IRAQ WAR
SUPPRESSING PRESCRIPTION DRUG COST DATA BEFORE CONGRESSIONAL VOTE
SUPPRESSING EVIDENCE OF MERCURY POISONING
CENSORED AND DELAYED 9-11 REPORT
SUPPRESSING, ALTERING OR MANIPULATING EMPERICAL DATA UNDERMINING THEIR IDEOLOGICAL POSITIONS
ERASING EVIDENCE OF RACIAL DISPARITIES IN REPORT ON ACCESS TO QUALITY HEALTH CARE
REMOVING INFORMATION ON PRIVATE SCHOOL TUITION
KILLED TREASURY DEFICIT STUDY
SUPPRESSING EVIDENCE OF RACIAL HARASSMENT WITHIN THE ASHCROFT JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
DELETED FORECAST OF TAX PLAN AS “JOB KILLER”
DELETED FINDINGS OF GLOBAL  WARMING
CONCEALED "CLEAR SKIES" ANALYSIS
KILLED LAYOFF REPORTS
DELETED DECLINING MIN. WAGE
FORCED SCIENTISTS TO ALTER FINDINGS ON KLAMATH RIVER WATER LEVELS
RESTRICTING DEMOCRATS ABILITY TO QUESTION ADMINISTRATION
FUNDING ABSTINENCE-ONLY PROGRAMS – 80% OF WHICH PRESENT FALSE, MISLEADING OR DISTORTED INFORMATION ON REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH
USING SECURITY CLASSIFICATIONS TO SUPRRESS DAMAGING INFORMATION

Lee - you were right...it was easy...My apologies for the avalanche of cuts-and-pastes (and many thanks to MSNBC for posting them), but I think overkill is warranted here.
Congratulations msnz you have made a positive statement about your candidate without slandering the others. I read it all the way through which is something I don't do for the ones who are throwing dirt at another democrat. We should have more like you on this blog.
I loved the part of Bush's speech where he talked about the 36 nations that were helping in Iraq. With that much "support", surely we can pull most of our troops out. Who's he trying to kid?
Discusting, despicable, monsterous sociopath.


ohhhh, these are fun.  Like the Carnac routine Carson used to do.

Ed MacMahon: "Discusting, despicable, monsterous sociopath."

Carnac: "Define Hillary Clinton is 4 words or less."


It seems like he is putting off troop withdraw until next year so that he can claim victory next year before the election. Then he can call the Democrats cut-and -run liberals.
Anyone going to the march in Washington tomorrow?
Listening to Petraeus and Crocker this week I heard Al Qaeda this, Al Qaeda that, Al Qaeda will establish terrorist training camps if we leave , Al Qaeda's influence will spread to all the other nations in the region, Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda, and Al Qaeda.

How many Al Qaeda terrorists did they say have been killed or captured since the "SURGE" began? They could not recall!
How many Al Qaeda terrorists did they say are still in Iraq? They do not have a current estimate!
How long did they say will it take to kill or capture the remaining Al Qaeda in Iraq? They will get to Congress in March 2008 with an Estimate!
How has 100,000 Iraqi's per month  that are being displaced from their homes since the surge began to refugee camps, other nations to other areas of the same ethnicity affected the reduction in VIOLENCE? It has had some affect but we can not quantify it.
How long did they say will it take to "WIN" the WAR? We can only see 4 - 6 months into the future and we will not have won by then. We will give you a update in March 2008.
Did General Petraeus say the War in Iraq was making us safer here in the homeland? He said: " I'm not sure it is making America safer."

Note: The estimates of the size of Al Qaeda in Iraq according the Brookings Institution Iraq Index  was less than 10 in January 2003, about 3000 in July 2006, and about 5000 in July 2007. The Reuters factbox talley indicates we have killed less than 200 since Jan. 2007.
The size of the Iraq Security Force is over 350,000 and over 200,000 of them can operate with minimal or no US Troop Support.What will they be doing if we draw down to a typical peacekeeping force of 45,000 troops?
President Bush mentioned Al Qaeda 14 times in his speech but weaselly or maybe more appropriately he DUCKED  answering any of these questions.
Style over Substance...You big bad Dems...you might scare someone...NOPE...more rhetoric!

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

“We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.”
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
Roger: No problem. Nice to see that at least you made sure that these were culled from leftwinged websites[who have their own agendas,as their opposite numbers at FOX]as well as obsering that a ''LA TIMES''or a ''NEW REPUBLIC''who have already been nailed for peddling their own lies are credited as ''accurate''sources. My observations ,however,bore upon last nights speech. Distill ''lies''from this,if you will.
This should make all youneocons warm and fuzzy~!

Bush: Maybe U.S. Military 'Just Not Very Good'

WASHINGTON, DC—Departing from his usual hopeful rhetoric during a question-and-answer session with reporters in the White House Rose Garden, President Bush suggested Tuesday that the war in Iraq has not been successful because the nation's armed forces are "just not very good."

"When the decision was made to liberate Iraq, I was going on what my advisers were telling me and what everyone has said for nearly a century—that the U.S. military is the best in the world," Bush said. "But if that were the case, and we did have the most powerful army, navy, marines, and air force on the globe, we would be winning, right?"

The president admitted that he'd been toying with the idea that a thorough lack of quality in personnel, from the top U.S. commander to the lowest-ranked private, is the only way to account for the colossal failure in Iraq, given that everything on the administrative side of the war has been carried out with the utmost care and precision.

"I know the folks on our end didn't drop the ball," Bush said. "The civilian oversight of this war and the plan of attack has been brilliant. There's no doubt about that in my mind. Hate to say it, but maybe our men and women in uniform just aren't what they're cracked up to be."

Bush conjectured that U.S. servicemen and women thrust into the horrifying chaos and violence of Iraq's Sunni Triangle may simply lack the proper perspective and cool detachment needed to implement an effective strategy against the insurgency. The commander in chief also wondered aloud why, for all their vaunted competence, American forces become disillusioned while fighting "for such a just and noble cause."

"I know I should support the troops, especially in a time of war, but if they can't handle the pressure, maybe they don't deserve my support," Bush said. "They're making me look bad."

"On the occasions I've met our troops, most of them didn't seem like they had much going for them," Bush added. "I don't think very many went to college or anything."

Bush said that in the past year he has had much occasion to think about the U.S. military's role in history, which, he recently was forced to conclude, is "overrated." He traced the roots of the misperception back to the nation's victory in World War II.

"We haven't really flat-out won a war since then, and you have to admit even that one was pretty close," the president said.

Continued Bush: "We pretty much have a 3-4 record in terms of important wars, and that's being generous, because I'm counting the Civil War as a victory. We got absolutely killed in Vietnam, which was another war where the leadership at home did a fine job, only to be let down by the troops. Not quite sure what happened in Korea. And I thought we won the first Gulf War, but apparently we didn't, because we're still there."

Shortly after the press conference, the White House announced that an advisory panel comprised of former officials from both Bush administrations and of private military contractors would be formed to devise effective solutions to problem areas in the nation's defense, namely the quality of the soldiers. Some of the likely recommendations include toughening recruitment standards so that not just anyone can enlist, and offering swift advancement opportunities for troops who show less dependence on the support current forces seem to constantly require from the American people. The panel is also expected to recommend that the nation enter into additional costly overseas conflicts as a way for the military to hone its combat skills.

Yet even the most optimistic administration estimates acknowledge that these transformations are years, if not decades away from being implemented. Meanwhile, Bush still appears determined to maintain the American military presence in Iraq, telling reporters that the only way to improve the armed forces isn't to quit, but to "keep plugging away and hope they'll get better at this war business before they all get killed."



At the risk of being misconstrued (again), pro and anti Bush folks need to get it through their heads that Bush doesn’t matter anymore.  He has made it clear that he does not intend to change the prosecution of this war.  We shouldn’t negotiate with terrorists for the same reason that we shouldn’t negotiate with block-heads, not because it’s wrong but because it will not make any difference.  If those of us who oppose the current situation want to have any impact we need to focus our attention on the Republicans in congress in senate.  They are using Bush’s unpopularity for cover.  By demonstrating loyalty (if not fealty) to President Bush in light of his unpopularity they demonstrate what is considered a positive trait while supporting a very bad policy.

If any thing is to change we need to call it what it is, co-dependency.   If one can’t get the alcoholic to listen to reason we must confront his enablers no matter how noble they may seem.  

So we can all waste our time complaining about our current President, we can hope and dream that our future president will be better or we can focus our time and attention of the folks that matter.  Call write or shout to the Republicans to stop enabling and help the democrats demand a cogent strategy.  Stop getting fooled into calling for benchmarks for the Iraqi Government and start placing them on the Bush Administration.  

Here’s a start:

If you want a vote authorizing funds past January 08 you will by November 07:
1. Convene a summit with Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey to negotiate a cooperation agreement on stabilizing Iraq.
2. Brief relevant committees (in private) on a comprehensive exit strategy.

If you want funds past April 08 you will by February 08:
1. Report to Congress the new strategy for Iraq.
2. Report on a working framework for regional cooperation.

If the President is unwilling or unable to meet these benchmarks then it should be expected that he resign or face impeachment.
nuanced--Tried but couldn't make it but I am on the east coast in October so I will make the October 27 Iraq Moratorium. 10 major cities.
I don't see Washington on the list yet but Boston and New York are. I hope tomorrow gets some Press coverage.
http://www.oct27.org/sites/oct27.org/files/oct27/October_27.html
Can't make Tommorow's march? Why not Phone it in?
Reach out and touch someone.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/9735

Dates: 9/10/07 - 9/28/07

1: The Phone Protest of 9/2007 should start on the 10th and last through the rest of the month. The protest should be ongoing when the People arrive in DC for the protest on the 15th. This phase, if it is sufficiently robust, should be an excellent preface to the massive turnout on the weekend of the 15th.

2: Monday through Friday, 8:30 am to 12:00 Noon and 1:00pm to 5:00 pm for the phone siege. E-mails and faxes - no limitations, no mercy. Flood 'em.

3: The Phone Protest should continue until the 28th. From the 10th to the 28th is likely long enough to really have gotten attention and, if sustained this long could have a very significant impact.

Phones, Faxes and E-mails.

I am figuring that at first we target

   * Harry Reid
     Phone: 202-224-3542
     Fax: 202-224-7327
     NO conventional e-mail. Use his contact page
   * John Conyers
     Phone: (202) 225-5126
     Fax: (202) 225-0072
     e-mail: john.conyers@mail.house.gov
   * Nancy Pelosi
     Phone: (202) 225-4965
     Fax: (202) 225-8259
     e-mail: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
   * On this page the Million Phone March has the following numbers listed as 24 hour numbers. Doubtlessly a good place to start.

     888-818-6641 or 888-355-3588
   * Congress.org: Find more contact info here.

Message in a nutshell
Flood the e-mail and faxes with these 3 basic messages:

* IMPEACH !!
* US out of Iraq !!
* No Attack on Iran !!

Note: Be polite and brief.
BIG DUH!!!  So Bush is going to leave the mess for the next president to clean up?  Who would have ever thought he would do that?  A lttle sarcasm there.

I am so ashamed of my country now.  I don't even recognize it any more.
Gary, Gary, Gary...Your Democrat majority is Viagra challenged.
All PRO-America anti-jihadist Americans call and email these unpatriotic pigs and demand they apologize and denounce the terrorist loving, French insider trading, George Soros' MOVEON.org NY Times ad.  Be as nasty as they are.


* Harry Reid
    Phone: 202-224-3542
    Fax: 202-224-7327
    NO conventional e-mail. Use his contact page
  * John Conyers
    Phone: (202) 225-5126
    Fax: (202) 225-0072
    e-mail: john.conyers@mail.house.gov
  * Nancy Pelosi
    Phone: (202) 225-4965
    Fax: (202) 225-8259
    e-mail: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
  * On this page the Million Phone March has the following numbers listed as 24 hour numbers. Doubtlessly a good place to start.

    888-818-6641 or 888-355-3588
  * Congress.org: Find more contact info here.
Lies (Lee?) - If you're implying that Bush didn't say those things, that he's been taken out of context, and/or the contradicting evidence is false...prove it. It should be easy to do.

What I've supplied is verifiable. Do some verifying. All you've provided is a blanket generalization of the site and some newspapers. I'm not doing your legwork for you. Hit the google.

As for Bush's speech last night, he continues to conflate the civil war in Iraq with the GWOT.

"We must help Iraq defeat those who threaten its future and also threaten ours."

Those who attacked us have nothing to do with those who threaten Iraq's future. Nor is there evidence that al Qaeda in Iraq is any threat to the US. Conflating 9/11 with Iraq has been a core deception for years.
Why do bush and fred republicans hate America???????
I am neither a Republican nor Democrat. I used to ignore politics until recent years, more precisely, until 9/11 and Bush draws the country to the war of Iraq. To me, making a war on Afghanistan after 9/11 makes sense, but making a war on Iraq does not quite make sense. Then Colin Powell made the famous presentation in UN suggested that there might be WMD in Iraq. Now that we’ve found there is no WMD in Iraq, should we admit the mistake and hand over the power to Iraqis and say bye? Here are my questions to three groups of people.

To Bush and Iraq war Supporters:
1. Why does Bush just tell people how he changes his purpose of the Iraq War?
2. Can Bush just tell people what is the end goal of the Iraq war and what is the plan and how long it will last roughly and how much he will spend from now? Just roughly.
3. Why does Bush always make a link between 9/11 and Iraq war?
4. Why supporting our troop has anything to do with supporting the war in Iraq?

To Democrat:
1. How can you be sure that we fail in Iraq War?
2. If one of your candidates becomes our next president, what is his/her plan to pull out of Iraq and what is the political implications for American and the people in Iraq after U.S troop made such a mess there.

To Republican:
1. Why do you have to support the war in Iraq to be a Republican?
2. Why are you afraid of a Democrat becoming a president more than the head of terrorism at large?    
VRWC, VRWC, VRWC...Your republican minority and WH is truth challenged.  That is why they are the minority and that is why the lame duck quacks so early. Yep, a little bigger majority and we would have more lead in our pencil. But laugh while you can. 2008 is coming. After that your may need to look into penal implants. Fortunately the Republicans have an unending supply of hot air with which to inflate them.



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