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Iraq: The Dem challenge

Posted: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:14 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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Frank Rich wrote over the weekend, "It's also past time for the Democratic presidential candidates to stop getting bogged down in bickering about who has the faster timeline for withdrawal or the more enforceable deadline. Every one of these plans is academic anyway as long as Mr. Bush has a veto pen. The security of America is more important -- dare one say it? -- than trying to outpander one another in Iowa and New Hampshire."

Meanwhile, Tom Friedman called Bush's speech a tacit resignation. "While Mr. Bush’s tacit resignation last week greatly increases the odds of a Democratic victory in 2008, there are several wild cards that could change things: a miraculous turnaround in Iraq (unlikely, but you can always hope), a terrorist attack in America, a coup in Pakistan that puts loose nukes in the hands of Islamist radicals, or a recession induced by the meltdown in the U.S. mortgage market, which forces a stark choice between bailing out Baghdad or Chicago… Democratic candidates have been talking about health care and other important issues, but the overriding foreign policy message that still comes across from them to many Americans, argues Mr. Rothkopf, is that Democrats are simply ‘anti-Bush, antiwar and antitrade.’ Be careful: despite the mess Mr. Bush has made in the world, or maybe because of it, Americans will not hand the keys to a Democrat who does not convey a ‘gut’ credibility on national security.”

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MK...you and Jerry sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G..
John B. But Iran will. Iraq didnt have SHAPE charges either when we invaded but they have them now,courtesy of the Iranians. If you believe that El-Baradei is ''right all along''then why would people ignore his ''Iran nukes in two to three years'' but embrace Ron Pauls ''ten years at the earliest''? What is now in Iran,will end up in Iraq[we will point out here that the IDF raid was only a couple of miles from the Iraq border],upon Shiite investment of that nation. You are wrong in one area. The ''neocons''always stated that Iran was and has been pursuing a nuclear weapons agenda and everyone from the aformentioned El-Baradei,the IAEA,Blix,the EU and the UN agrees with this assessment.
End This War!!!
Its pointless, and all these kids are dying for what.
Can some one tell me.
Lee Holmes--Please state the endgame as you see it for the Iran/Iraq situation. Certainly you can't believe that what we have been doing in Iraq for the past 5 years is anyway to run WWIV. As we clearly are operating without and effective strategy, what should the strategy be?
We should get out of Iraq.  Whether we stay or whether we leave, Iraq will be a mess.  The only thing is that if we leave we will not lose any more of our children while the Iraqis keep killing each other.  Let them work it out among themselves.  It's their country.
Susan:

Healthy/Normal:

let's examine this a moment....

Hillary is getting money from a convicted criminal and probably other convicted criminals...

Hillary finally made her health care plans available after checking with all the health lobbyists that give her money.

She is married to a control freak/woman jumping/Morality impaired moron who tells the nation that "he did not have sex with that woman"

last time she brought out her health care plan, she led the GOP to victory.....

She has rallies in Iowa that are putting people to sleep (time magazine).

Might be more ripe for the national enquirer to be reporting on her then the Washington post/new york times!

Lee, since you wish to consider the IAEA correct in their assessment that Iran could have a sufficient stock of weapons-grade material in 2-3 years to build a bomb (not the same thing by a country mile as having a bomb) and acknowledge that they were also correct in saying that Iraq never had a bomb, can't it also be true that Iran is currently cooperating with the inspectors and that the drums of war are hurting rather than helping the effort to ensure they do not weaponize their nuclear program?  Certainly their track record is a lot better than Eliot Abrams and Fred Kagan.  As far as shaped charges are concerned that can be as simple as pouring a bowl of concrete in a hole, a bomb on top, and filling the rest of the hole with dirt.  Yes, the Iranians may well be trying to route weapons to their Shiite cousins in Iraq.  The Saudis and Syrians are trying to route weapons to their Sunni cousins likewise.  All of these countries want a buffer of the same ethnicity between them and "the other" and Turkey doesn't want a Kurdish nation to their south.  Which is why we should not have destabilized the region in the first place.  Prudent diplomats wish to work from a climate of stability and make incremental changes.  The neocons assume that secular democracies friendly to the US will "bloom like wildflowers" (their words, not mine) if they destroy the existing governments.  How's that working out?  Not too well I'd say, and they're wrong once again.
John B. When you can produce a cartoon specifically drawn by any of the above personalities you mentioned to represent the ''prophet'',then your argument will have more validity.


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