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Obama's middle-class tax cuts

Posted: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:07 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Andy Merten and NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
A day after calling for greater transparency on Wall Street, Obama focused on middle-class tax relief while speaking today to an intimate gathering of about 100 guests in a hotel conference room in DC. 

Beginning the speech by telling the story of his father-in-law, who was able to support his family despite the burdens of overt racism and the obstacle of suffering from multiple sclerosis, Obama spoke of a “basic social compact” that says, “If you work hard, your work will be rewarded.” He continued by lamenting, “That social compact is starting to crumble and erode... This isn’t the invisible hand of the market at work. It’s the successful work of special interests.”

The Illinois senator’s plan to “relieve the burden of the middle class” includes four points: 1) an income tax cut of $500 per person (or $1,000 per working family) for 150 million Americans; 2) a universal mortgage interest credit of 10% for homeowners who make under $50,000 a year; 3) the elimination of income tax for retirees making less than $50,000 a year; and 4) simplifying the process of filing a tax return.
 
How would Obama pay for these tax cuts? Obama plans to eliminate the carried interest loopholes that benefits hedge funds and adjust the top dividends and capital gains rate between 20% and 28%. The campaign also claims that aggressively seeking out international tax shelters, challenging existing loopholes, and requiring countries that harbor tax havens to be open about who is investing in them would allow the IRS to reap the $85 billion in lost revenue back.

Another question that remains unanswered by the Obama tax plan is the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), which penalizes many middle-class taxpayers. Congress has traditionally expanded the exemptions under the AMT on a year to year basis, with only 3.5 million Americans qualifying to pay the tax last year. If congress doesn't act to renew the exemption this year, the AMT would affect 23 to 24 million Americans, according to the Urban Institute. 

Reporters today badgered Obama's senior economic policy adviser on the AMT question, but were told that this proposal was done without regard to that tax. But if the goal of an Obama policy proposal is to simplify the tax code, leaving the AMT untouched could prove to be problematic.

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Promises, promises, politics, politics, election next year.  Will any of these people remember their promises, the plans , the hopes, the dreams. The things they can really get accomplished?
Will we be paying for this war till the end of eternity or getting tax cuts??? Be careful what you wish for and be careful who you vote for.

You be the judge!
Imagine that, tax cuts for people who actually need them. And here I thought the whole entire goal of our party was raising taxes. Good thing abortion is legal and gays are still trying to marry, otherwise the GOP would be in real trouble
This is all good political hype but he knows damn well he can't implement any of these pipe dreams. All politicians do is promise sh*& they know they can't deliver. People that make under 50,000 doesnt pay any taxes now, a cut of 500.00 will give you a whopping 23.00 dollars more on your return on the average.
What about free checking?
Go Obama!
Why should the middle calss get to keep any of its money? Everybody knows that when the uber wealthy are happy, everybody else is soooooo much better off.
Booyah, Barack!  As a CPA I agree with all of your tax policy recommendations.  I especially agree with an increase in the capital gains/dividends tax rate from an absurdly low 15% to a more realistic 28%.  The fact that a rich person pays less in taxes on a stock gain or investment than the poor schmoe that gets up each morning to do a real day's work is typical repugnicant tax policy.  Money is money.  Leveling tax rates on investment gains is just a start to make the tax system more fair.  The greedy right-wingers are going to be squealing like stuck pigs.  Enjoy!
Obama/Webb '08!
Obama of course "skimmed over" the part on how to pay for it.

See, that's what's makes it easy for someone that has never had to run a business.  You never have to figure out the small details.  You leave that to your "people" to figure out.

Obama hasn't "Jumped the Shark" quite yet.  But he's getting closer.
Wow, a tax plan that helps the rest of us, what a concept. Lets see, the republicans want to reform the taxes by: eliminating the death tax, which only benefits the rich, corporate welfare, which only benefits the rich, tax breaks to big oil, which only... well you get the idea. Ya got my vote dude.
Talk about desperation time.  

I guess if I were losing in virtually every state in every poll by usually double digits, I'd also be offering the unwashed masses the modern day version of a chicken in every pot, a TV in every room, and 2 cars in every garage.

In primary polls, I think the only place he's competitive is in Iowa, of all places, and Edwards might even pull that one out.  
Does Obama realize what raising the cap gains tax by 40% will do to the economy?  Capital investments will drop through the basement floor, and then its bye-bye jobs.  Tax revenues from cap gains would also more then likely DECREASE.  Why make cap investments or cash out of the ones you're in if you are going to get nailed with a huge tax burden?

Does this guy think, or does he just react?
WHY NOT ROLL BACK THE BUSH TAX CUTS!!
Why not revamp the AMT too!!
Why not tax the health care pkg that Congress gets??
I don't like 28% capital gain tax but i like 20%. As a supporter of Obama, i think the 28% is too high,perhaps, he should lower it to 20-22%. That's a lot bettter than 28%.

I guess i'll just have to pull all my money away from stock market. Nonetheless, i'll still support the senator because i like his vission on foreign policy and Education.
A 28% capital gains tax is reasonable and the fact that it pays for a $500 tax cut to every working poor or middle class American in addition to all the other benefits is a VERY good trade off.  Hard-right corporatists like to scream about how investment will be curtailed if the rich pay fair taxes, but that kind of trickle down economics only led to a recession in the 80's, and that history has again been repeated by GWB; the fact is that the economy did the best in the 90's when EVERYBODY benefited, not just the fifty percent of Americans who own stock, because the most  consumers having more money to spend is what leads to real growth in the marketplace, not giving the rich guy an extra check.
So Bee Obama suffers from double vision?
And 28% would be what the rate was before BUSH's tax cuts for the RICH investors.
Obama Please address thE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX
IT IS WHAT IS WRONG!!!  Hard work in middle class is not paying off
Obama better look at his union support, i.e. electricians etc who make $50 an hour with overtime, if he limits his definition of middle class as $50,000 a year.  You can't make a house payment at $50k.
Finally, a candidate who wants to actually HELP the middle class and the poor!  Barack Obama is a man of real character and integrity.  He wants to sweep Washington clean of the lobbyists and special interests who have stolen our democracy.  He will tell us the truth even when it hurts.  We desperately need a President who can get things right the first time.  Obama opposed the Iraq war long before candidates like Hillary, Edwards, Biden and Dodd realized it was a blunder. Experience does not always equal wisdom or good judgement. He faced down the autommakers in Detroit about energy efficient vehicles and he told Wall Street bigshots that it is not all about greed. As President, Barack Obama will lead a truly bipartisan effort to solve our nation's problems. The Democratic party would be wise to make him their standard bearer in 2008.  He is like no candidate, since Bobby Kennedy, who can address the feelings, the hopes, dreams and aspirations of the people. Obama is the one candidate the Republicans really fear...because he represents the change voters are craving. The GOP dreams of running against Hillary and all the baggage she carries with her.  No Democrat can make the Republican base foam at the mouth like a Clinton. With Obama, you get a fresh face, a new vitality, a can-do optimism, a positive approach, a man who will never lie to the people or promise more than he can deliver. A tidal wave of change is coming in November, 2008.  Citizens are fed up and want a government that represents their interests and concerns. Hopefully, on January 20, 2009, it will be the beginning of a new era with President Barack Obama!
obama, how are you going to pay for that invasion of Pakistan?


oh, and why weren't you anti war as a federal senator?



Obama's plan is weak. Not enogh details, not enough to differrntiate himself from Hillary. Isn't it getting close to crucnh time?

Huckabee interview...a plug
http://political-buzz.com/2007/09/18/exclusive-interview-with-republican-presidential-candidate-mike-huckabee/
Once again Obama is out front on the issue and makes sure his campaign is available to answer the tough questions even if they don't have all the answers.  Over in Hillary-Land they take months to put out a Health Care plan and then refuse to answer questions by reporters on the record.  I'll take a transparent slightly flawed plan over a "mirage of plan" anyday.
Erie, raising the tax on capital gains is not going to make captial investment fall by any significant amount that matters because for the most part capital gains are passive income. I use the term "Passive" meaning that you don't personally do any labor in order to earn a capital gain, the money comes in whether you do anything or not.  People who make most of their income from capital investments will still invest because they don't have a choice; there is no comparable alternative for them.  These people can't go out a get a job that pays them $10 million dollars per year because they don't have the skill to earn that much without using leverage from their wealth.  

When Obama gets his way, the major differences you will  see is that the economy will boom, because cutting taxes on average American just gives them more money to spend immediately.  And you will see rich people giving even more money to Republicans in attempts to have them lower their taxes again.  

When it comes to discussions of policy, Obama owns all.
P.S.

This plan is going to earn Obama a lot of support.  Watch the CNN, NBC, FOX, ABC, and CBS all collaborate to make sure it gets no press at all, because if this plan is well talked about it will make him the front-runner, the nominee, and the President.

I especially like the part about eliminating taxes for senior citizens who make less than $50,000 per year.  
WHY NOT ROLL BACK THE BUSH TAX CUTS!!

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But Bush rolled back the Clinton tax increases, while Clinton rolled back the Reagan tax decreases, which Carter had rolled . . . wait a minute, okay, now I'm confused.
Erik - Go Obama!

He better get going quick.  It looks like he's fading fast.
If you want a tax cut, never elect a Democrat. Democrats are only good at raising taxes. Only Republicans cut taxes. They cut them for everyone but everyone gets a tax cut until they aren't paying taxes anymore, then they complain because people who earn more money are paying less taxes.
Isn't it make much more sense to abolish personal income tax completely? And without increase in any other tax? Federal government just need to reduce its spending to the level of year 2000 to accomplish it.

Why they, "front runners", always comes with small twist on the problem just enough to get vote instead of cutting the evil from its root? Reduce tax here, but increase there.

Please, you tube Ron Paul.
They always make promises but harly anyone ever keeps them.
Aslam
http://www.diabeticcorner.com
its that $500 a year that will sway my vote, not. if i drive 50 miles a day and get 25 mpg/ if i have 4 kids and drink 2 gallons of milk a day the rise in price for the 4 gallons my family uses a day since 2000 will wipe out that 500 bucks. i want stabilized prices so i know my money will stop shrinking in buying power, i want price rollback in areas of gas where there's excessive profiteering at my expense, lts the grocery store and the fuel pump that are killing my budget not the 500 bucks obama is waving at me.
We saw Barack at a rally in DC last night.  I do feel we need to give this guy a chance.  He is a breath of fresh air and speaking a message that is different than everyone else.

He has our vote.

And, in our home it is ABC - Anybody But Clinton

It is time for change.
How a 'bout a chicken in every pot?
Boy are most americans poorly informed...there aren't 150 million people in this country who pay income taxes...try a number more like 60 million who really pay income taxes, the rest may file returns but they aren't paying anything...more typical liberal hogwash, tax the "rich"
Republican view:

  $00. - $15,000. year = Poverty
  $15,000. - $450,000 year = Middle Class
  $450,000 - UP = Upper Class
Chad~
In our home it's anybody but Clinton, unless she is the nominee. We're realists, not idealists. Had enough of true believerism with the current administration.
It is about time someone started thinking about the middle-income class people.  We are the ones who pay the taxes and work but no one wants to help us.  We pay to send out children to college and cannot receive help on grants or scholarship to help our children receive their education. Barack has the right iden and he has my vote!
It is about time someone started thinking about the middle-income class people.  We are the ones who pay the taxes and work but no one wants to help us.  We pay to send out children to college and cannot receive help on grants or scholarship to help our children receive their education. Barack has the right idea and he has my vote!
how about a pot in every chicken?
Sounds great!  Take from the rich and give to the poor works all the time.  Look at all the Socialist and Dictators in South America who hand out money to the poor in order to get votes.  Free money always works for the weak minded; after all, me first - right.  Is this a promise or a gimmick to get votes?
I still say eliminate taxes on workers first $50,000 make college tuition 100% tax deductable and make medical expenses 100% tax deductable and  the middle class will grow exponentially as they will have more of their hard earned $$ to spend on becomming healthy and preparing themselves and their kids for the future workplace and as a result AMERICA WILL BE THE PLACE WE ALL DREAM OF.  for those who ask "how ya gonna pay for it?"  simple the increased spending  will increase taxes and a properly prepared workforce will ensure qualified AMERICANS  for any and all jobs.
I still say eliminate taxes on workers first $50,000 make college tuition 100% tax deductable and make medical expenses 100% tax deductable and  the middle class will grow exponentially as they will have more of their hard earned $$ to spend on becomming healthy and preparing themselves and their kids for the future workplace and as a result AMERICA WILL BE THE PLACE WE ALL DREAM OF.  for those who ask "how ya gonna pay for it?"  simple the increased spending  will increase taxes and a properly prepared workforce will ensure qualified AMERICANS  for any and all jobs.
Still waiting for the middle class tax cuts Bill Clinton promised in 1992.
Democrat view:

poor = Democrat
rich = Republican
Take from the rich??? How old are some of you guys. Capital gains are exactly that GAINS. A slight increase will not hurt anyone, it's extra income, so in effect nothing is being taken away in the first place. I have stock through my company and even though it's really not all that much...it's just a little extra spending money, I don't consider it as real income I depend on.
Republican view:

voter = Republican
purged from the rolls = Democrat

It is what the AG scandal was all about. Let's hear it Z, is Gonzogate going away?
Obama, I like what I hear on this, you've got my attention.
-> Still waiting for the middle class tax cuts Bill Clinton promised in 1992.


I tried, I tried!
nuanced's view:

topic is tax relief = so what, I'll post something about disenfranchisement and the AG scandal
Like i said in my earlier post, 28% capital gain tax is too much if you compare it with 15%. It is like 86.7% increament, that is too much to scare the whole financial market.

I know we Democrats like to focus on demand side of economics, i think it is hightime we reconsidered our approach to capital gain and dividend tax.

I firmly believe the senator won't take it to 28%, i am sure he's gonna raise it to say 20%-22%. That is more reasonable for the economy. Raising it to 28% can't win over the folks in wall street and red state. Obama shouldn't make that mistake at all.

Having said this, i am still supporting him because of his great vision on foreign policy and education.
CJ,

Capital gain is big deal to some of us that like to trade stock market. Some value investors like me appreciate the idea of capital gain because i like to buy a value stocks and hold it for at least a year before selling at profit.

Thus, the idea that capital gain is no big deal is absurd.
He forgot a huge portion of the middle class.  Those who make over $50,000.  Those who make between $50-90 thousand per year are in the most desperate need of a tax break.  We pay for all these programs that we don't qualify for. Why the $50,000 per year cap?  To avoid giving it to the people who need it?


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