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Ben & Jerry's founder's play for IA, NH

Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:27 AM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro
Ben Cohen, the co-founder of Ben & Jerry's, wants to reduce the size of the Pentagon's budget -- and to accomplish that, he and the business group he heads are trying to influence the Democratic contests in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Cohen is the president of Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities, which wants to eliminate about $60 billion per year in defense spending and allocate that money instead to education, children's health care, and energy independence. And his group is spending about $2 million per year to get its message heard in the early nominating states and to impact the election results there. "What if we ... made [the presidential candidates] listen to us?" he tells First Read.

To make them listen, Cohen says Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities now has at least 9,000 Democratic voters in Iowa who have pledged to caucus for the candidate the group endorses in November. In a contest that typically has low voter turnout, he says, 9,000 voters could end up deciding the winner in Iowa.

Cohen tells First Read that he and his organization have met with most of the Democratic candidates to discuss cutting Pentagon spending and various weapons programs. "Richardson and Biden have been great on the issue," he says. "Kucinich has been there all along -- but it doesn't look like he can win the nomination." Edwards, he adds, "seems to be on board," but has yet to explicitly back the goal.

What about Obama and Clinton? Cohen says that he met privately with Obama, while his staff in Iowa met with Hillary's people. "Clinton's campaign didn't seem to have interest in getting our endorsement," he notes.

And the Republicans? Cohen says his group has given up trying to work with them. "They're bleeding hearts when it comes to weapons systems. They've never met a weapons system they don't like."

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Hey doesn't the government have a war on Ice Cream?

Good to see Kenn and Wayne in the fray, welcome.
Jerry, I know you post some decent items now and then.  And, I know I like to tease you a lot.  But seriously, are you feeling okay "Although I must add the real pinhead is the one in the White House. Even I will admit that."?

The odd thing is, I have a lot of conservative friends/acquaintances who have mentioned the exact same thing in the past few weeks to me.  Noteworthy are the comments we see/read here in First Read that the troubled conservatives are really in a spot for the coming elections because the current field just doesn't fit their mold.  I am not saying it is going to be a lanslide victory in Congress and the WH for the Democrats.  "I'm just saying" I think is the popular catchphrase.

So this begs the question...who are these 30% who support W if no conservatives still support him?
Why do we need the F-22 when the F-15 has a kill ratio of 115 to NONE that is right not one F-15 has been shot down in air to air combat.  For the amount of money we spent devolping the F-22 we could have produced 400 more F-15's and had total dominance of all the skies in the world.  Those would have been the E model also capable of firing all weapons in the invetory we have.
 Bahrillary, talk about your republican hypocrit. REMEMBER FREEDON FRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!. You hated France then and why do you like them now? Where are all our allies in Iraq? The only allies that fought in the Iraq war were bought with money. Goggle and find out how much more money Poland received from the US government afte we went to war. All of our allies direct aid from the USA went up before the Iraq war. Or the Bush admin would with hold direct aid money if they did not send troops to Iraq. Every allie soldier was bought with foreign aid money. None of our allies except UK and Australia ever beleived in the Iraq war. We bought them all. Bahillary is your typical smear mongering republican. If you are not with him then you are against him. The phrase that republicans live by and Hitler coined are one and the same.  These republican's would have killed or jailed all liberals if they could. Even though liberals have had no affect on the current situation. They create the liberal boogieman because they have no facts or issues, and can only run on fear. Just listen to any republican candidate speak and the first thing they do is scare you with terrrorists and that liberals are enabling them. WHY are all Republicans such cowards? Why are republicans always scared of being attacked. Why do republicans live in fear? It must really suck to be republican and be afraid to leave your house because a terrorist will attack. Republicans live there lives like there is a terrorist on every street corner. I have never seen bigger cowards then the rethugs that write to this blog. How do you republican cowards get to work. Are you not afraid a terrorist will kill you? Living in constant fear like these fools is really sad for them. I live my life to the fullest every day with my family. I have faith in my country and my neighbors. I do not need the government to protect me. Republican Cowards that preach small government actually mean BIG BROTHER.
What a colossal waste that piece of disaster the Osprey helicopter is. It still has 62% failure rate, design flaws abound. The machine loses altitude and crashes.  They "THINK" it may be due to vortex ring that causes the altitude loss but the Pentagon buys it any way!! Kills many test pilots. Not effective for the climate or heat in Iraq. WASTE!! They cost millions of dollars each.
I think we should have free healthcare, free ice cream, and open borders so we can all come together as one.  Oh, and free money too!  Thank God, no wait, thank socialism for sharing the wealth of the rich and MoveOn.org for making this country more like Europe.  After all only we know what is right for the world and all them Nazi, homophobe, christian Republicans can pack sand.
Susan, Floyd County, Iowa wrote:

"Good luck with getting Edwards to give you a straight answer. He likes those fuzzy feel-good generalities, but the real question is how many defense contractors have facilities in North and South Carolina, Iowa, New Hampshire, and other early states.  When you talk about weapons systems, you're talking about putting people out of work. "

I can't speak to Edwards on this matter, and I have no idea how many defense contractors there are in the states mentioned other than Iowa. But Rockwell Collins in Cedar Rapids (and Iowa City and elsewhere in Iowa) is a very large defense contractor. On July 3rd I saw Sen. Biden at a local coffee house. He was asked about his speech before the national press club on 9-10-01 about Bush's screwed up budget priorities (spending huge amounts on star wars, but ignoring the real threat to our security which comes from a terrorist attack coming in the hull of a ship, belly of a plane, or in a vial in a backpack) After his response a women expressed her concern regarding the effect that reducing spending on star wars would have on Rockwell. Sen. Biden knew all the military contracts Rockwell had, and explained that even if you eliminated, or reduced spending on star wars, that there are systems that Rockwell is currently developing that the government should be spending more on (he explained in some detail what these systems were and why they are important, and  that he didn't see an overall reduction to Rockwell. The women  (and the rest of us) were really impressed with his ability to rattle off all the specific defense contracts, weapons systems currently under development at Rockwell.

You are probably right about Edwards not wanting to commit to eliminating a specific military program/weapon system, either because he is not an expert in the field, or because he knows that there are a lot of defense contractors in early primary states.

Although is it just me, or is it short sighted and selfish to want federal tax money wasted in your city or state on weapons systems that are not wanted, needed, and often even dangerous, because eliminating the system would cost the city or state jobs? Put another way does it make sense to have Defense spending be an employment program, as opposed to a  evaluating weapons systemson based on their utility and what the military needs, not on which congressional district(s) a system, regardless of utility is manufactured!

You are right about Biden being 100% dead on regarding the  mine resistant vehicles. Whether you were against the war at the beginning (as I was), or are now against it, I don't see how anyone could not see the moral imperative to provide our soldiers with every piece of equipment that will reduce their risk of death.
Nations were meant to rise and nations were meant to fall...a little ethnic cleansing (and I'm not talking about Windex) is good for the society of man.  War machine spending
Wow tom in va...Is that the word of GOD?
Maybe we should just use Glass Plus.
Ben and Jerry, Have any clue by cutting the Defense Spending you might be cutting your own throats? What I mean is your company is high on the terrorist hit list to destroy when they take over America so why are you trying to cut funding the man who defend you. Next you want their water too.
Steve, San Diego -- I believe the 30% who support Bush are not conservatives. I think they are "my fuhrer right or wrong" types.  I believe the political spectrum is a circle not a line. If you go far enough to the right or to the left you end up at the same place -- totalitarianism.  

Check out the Libertarian site sometime. They have a similar belief that the left/right delineation is too simple. Their concept of the political spectrum is 2D and fits on a square card.
There is a test to show where you fall onto the card.
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
Get rid of the Military????

How will Dianne Feinstein ever support her husband with the contracts she is sending to him.  Dianne Feinstein makes Duke Cunningham look like a candy robber.
Budd Trott - you've got it all wrong.  Ice Cream is the one and only universal religion - in addition, Ben and Jerry's, Bluebell, Breyers, et al. (even foreigners like Hagen Daz) will be well protected by Blackwater should the 'inevitable' invasion from the East occur (mainly for our ice cream).  I think George favors Edy's........the ranch will warrant special protection I should think.
We have over 10,000 nuclear weapons. What For? How many times do we need to blow the planet up?  I don't think taking $60 billion out of a $646 billion budget is going to weaken our defense, it will only eliminate the waste. I have served my country, I pay my taxes and I'm tired of lining the pockets of companies like Haliburton, Blackwater, Boeing, and etc. While deployed to Kosovo alone, I saw some of the shit these companies create for us like the GPS systems that never worked, I saw KBR and other contractors making a $100K to do a job I could train a chimp to do. I saw our congress members come in check out the facilities and equipment, and not even pay attention to the troops. They flew over for an afternoon visit to Kosovo and Bosnia to see the state of the art facilites, and got their picturee taken with an uparmored humvee. That shows our congress members priorities more then anything to me.

What Ben Cohen is saying isn't unpatriotic or soft on defense, it just good business. If CEO's ran their companies like the government is running our country, they wouldn't be in business for long. I'm all for cutting waste and pork barrel spending.


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