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State Department on Blackwater

Posted: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:45 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Libby Leist
The US and Iraq have agreed to establish a joint commission to examine the Blackwater USA incident in Baghdad last weekend, and to suggest improvements in security and safety procedures followed by security contractors guarding US diplomats in Iraq, the State Department announced this afternoon.

The joint commission will not be investigating the incident, however, spokesman Tom Casey said. Instead, the members will try to come to an agreement on what happened based on the findings of separate investigations conducted by Iraqi and US law enforcement officials. Casey was confident an understanding could be reached despite the widely varying accounts of the incident.

A senior state department official added, "The purpose of this is not to do on-the-ground investigating or forensics. The purpose of this is to make policy recommendations… Part of that means they have to understand this incident and understand what happened and have some common basis for doing that."

The official said the commission was likely to look at questions like:
-- how can the US better coordinate with local Iraqi police and military when a State Department convoy leaves the Green Zone?
-- what is the legal mandate governing the contractors?
-- other jurisdictional issues

In a phone call on Monday to Prime Minister Maliki, Secretary of State Rice said she stressed the need for State Department personnel to operate safely outside of the Green Zone, and she hoped the US and Iraq could work together on how to do that.

Meanwhile, Blackwater security guards are still expected to continue their work as the Commission proceeds, Casey said.

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Yes the commission will be called WHITE WASHING BLACKWATER!..They will then fail to meet citing a drought situation.
"NO COMMENT" "IT WASN,T ME "I ,LL BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR" "HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY EVEN EXIST" "CANT CONFIRM OR DENY" That should just about cover it up.
This is reminiscent of 19th Century 'extra territorility'

During the colonial era, white Europeans were not subject to 'native laws'.

Likewise, Americans are not subject to Iraq's Quislings......

The decline and fall of the American Empire.....

Where are you, Rep. Henry Waxman ??
This demands a Congressional investigation....
How did Blackwater get those contracts ?
Are they complying with the contracts ?
How do we punish murder by foreign contractors in Iraq ?
Is Blackwater running any 'prisons' ?
How about 'dark prisons' ?
Blackwater is Bushs baby---a very long republican relationship
Maliki will be patted on the head and forced to back down. After all, who is the occupier here? They need to learn their place as junior partner. Collateral damage happens. You can't make a Democracy omlette without breaking a few eggs. After all we have done for them this is how they re-pay us? Condi will fix. Don't hear much from the senior Diplomat these days. Although it looks like she may have found her niche negotiating labor disputes for the hired guns. That should serve her well as NFL commissioner. Hope that greasy red bloodstain on her resume doesn't hurt her chances.
The official said the commission was likely to look at questions like:
-- how can the US better coordinate with local Iraqi police and military when a State Department convoy leaves the Green Zone?


That mean telling the Iraq police, their friends, relatives, Al Quida, Iraq military and everyone else, exactly when and where we will be moving our most important people outside of the green zone. I suggest as the first test we send Nancy Pelosi back over. Set up a photo op outside the green zone then have blackwater 'coordinate' with Iraqi police and military a full 48 hours beforehand.

What idiocy. These guys are defending our people.
ARM THEM TO THE TEETH AND TELL THEM TO SHOOT THE FIRST SOB THAT MAKE A HOSTILE MOVE.
bushco covering the @ss of one of the gop's main donors.... blackwater.

mercy,we've become worse than the soviet union
here's the common thread, 5 years in and we don't have a clue what's going on. how did these guys perform during the last 5 years? don't they already have established protocals for initiating fire and why now are we worried about coordinating with iraqi's about convoys did we not already coordinate? i actually know this is a rhetorical question since we can't get anything else  working with the iraq's.
smoke and mirrors
Contract with America.
What difference does any of this BS make? This whole thing will be whitewashed and slid under the rug. If blackwater isn't killing Iraquis, it's the "holy man" butcher El Sadr, or any number of other murdering thugs. And yet there are military personnel being prosecuted. This whole disaster is just so totally wrong from any point of view.
RH Oregon- "ARM THEM TO THE TEETH AND TELL THEM TO SHOOT THE FIRST SOB THAT MAKE A HOSTILE MOVE."

Go ask one of our soldiers who believes in this mission, who believes he is helping the Iraqi people, who believes in his Generals Counter insurgency manual, what he thinks of Blackwater setting free fire zones and destroying good will that they bleed and die to build up.  Jesus RH, Make up your mind, do you support this mission as the military sees it or are you up just up for a game of "kill em all and let God sort em out"? You people are becoming incoherent. Hopefully the end of this bullshit circus is soon.
Look UP for BS.
" I suggest as the first test we send Nancy Pelosi back over. "  How about the lying, stinking murderers that told us this would be a "cakewalk," "welcomed as liberators," "days and weeks, not months and years," but you're a neocon and won't remember any of that. Let Chicken Dick take the first ride down the "Avenue of Welcomed Liberators" in an open car. Or you. You'd do, too.
Dear RH Oregon - I fear my words wouldnt be as nice as yours So Ill just agree with you... Since bleeding heart Liberals Dont Get It ...Poor unsuspecting Sheep... Thank you Blackwater for helping
Keep us free!
Liberals.  The first thing they say is "we support our troops."  The next things they do include 1) To not fund them 2) Put adds in major newspapers that trash our generals 3) Call them baby killers 4) Not allow them to be protected by any means necessary.

Liberals love the military.  Dead or alive.
Gary your "free fire zones" that are OK in the counter insurgency manual would probably include ones where your convoy is stalled by a car bomb and you start taking small arms fire. Would you have stopped to ask for greencards before firing back?
Granted I don't know what happened on this one episode, but neither do you. Nobody is selling a free-for-all, kill anyone who looks at you policy. We have a problem of trying to find fault with ourselves for the benifit of the world media frenzy. Sacrifice the safety of those protected to make a negative headline for the day.

War is Hell.
" I suggest as the first test we send Nancy Pelosi back over."...real classy comment
Those who fight for pay (profit), cannot be trusted. They can be bought by anyone anytime.
Gary Schear, I couldn't agree more with the comment about Blackwater destroying goodwill that our soldiers have fought and died to establish.
I'm probably naive about all of this but, shouldn't the military be protecting conveys? Does it cost the US taxpayer more to hire more expensive contractors to do this job? I know our military is overstretched and all that, but 25,000 private security guards in Iraq? Seems like a private mercenary army to me...and isn't that what we're fighting against? It seems to me that the whole purpose of Blackwater, and it's role in Iraq, is the story that needs to be covered in more detail.
Friends don't let friends drive drunk.
RH Oregon (Sent Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:09 PM)
"Nobody is selling a free-for-all, kill anyone who looks at you policy."

RH Oregon (Sent Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:09 PM)
"ARM THEM TO THE TEETH AND TELL THEM TO SHOOT THE FIRST SOB THAT MAKE A HOSTILE MOVE."

No need to explain. This is the same level of consistent intelligent clarity that we have gotten used to these past seven years.
Tom Major [[Liberals.  The first thing they say is "we support our troops."  The next things they do include 1) To not fund them 2) Put adds in major newspapers that trash our generals 3) Call them baby killers 4) Not allow them to be protected by any means necessary.]]

Nope. The next thing they do is:

(1) Try to pass legislation like the bill sponsored by Democratic Senator Webb to increase the time that combat troops spend back home before their next combat tour so that their families, careers, and minds aren't permanently ruined by the unbearably long tours they now endure thanks to the war lords of the Bush regime.

(2) Try to pass legislation that will get sufficient medical care for the wounded troops instead of the scandalous maltreatment they've recieved from the Bush political hack who was running the Veterans' Administration.

(3) Try to pass legislation that will provide war veterans with educational opportunities after they leave the service.

(4) Try to get the Pentagon to speed up the supply of adequate armor and armored vehicles to the troops in Iraq so that fewer of them are killed or sustain the horrendous life-long injuries they've endured thanks to the incompetence of the Bush regime.

All four of the above actions have to be qualified with "try to" because the GOP and the Bushites try to block them at every turn, since these things cost money that the Bushites think should go to tax breaks for the wealthy. WHY do Bush-loving chickenhawks hate our troops????
Re: Tom Major (Sent Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:07 PM)

Conservatives. The first thing they say is "we support our troops". The next thing they do include 1)sending them into harms without body armor 2)shipping explosive resistant Humvees by ship instead of by plane because it's more cost effective even though this will absolutely mean that front line combat troops will die when they didn't have to 3) allowing condditions at Walter Reed Medical center to deteriorate to thrid world standards 4) changing the medical status of soldiers with major physical and psychological ailments at the last moment so that they may be redeployed to a combat zone 5) cutting benefits for the children of active duty soldiers and 6) violating their own troop rotation standards so that soldiers spend 15 months deployed for every 12 months home.

Conservatives love the military.  Dead or alive.
Blackwater helping to keep us free?  Where is that kind of idiocy coming from?  There just don't seem to be that many americans capable of thinking anymore.
Houston: BRAVO!!
Houston.

So what's the problem getting that stuff through congress?  You say the Democrats are "trying to pass" all thse items.  What's the hold up?  Got one or two votes we can look up for either the house or senate to see who voted for/against these bills?

As far as the cost of contractors doing what the military did in all previous wars it doesn't matter.  The real reason for the use of them is to further antagonize the Iraqi's while the true cost of the war and the number of casualties can be hidden.
Houston, good question. I can't figure out why those chickenhawks hate the troops and America so much.  It has something to do with being scared all the time and wanting power all the time.
Well gee John Doe, I guess if supporting our troops means leaving them stationed in North Carolina, then yeah, I guess the Republicans don't support the troops.

Why not drop all pretenses and say what liberals really think.  That is that you hate the military and any action the take, and that you couldn't care less about them in long run.  Thats how you really fell, right?
The solution is a no-brainer. Just remove the immunity from prosecution for crimes and the behavior will improve.  I thought that was the kind of law and order stuff the Republicans believed in?
Nothing good this way comes.
Every penny we hand Blackwater and their ilk is a penny less we are spending for proper armor, up-armored humvees, etc. Many soldiers trained in support roles like mechanics, cooks and such are patrolling the streets of Baghdad while contractors paid many times their salaries are doing their jobs.  The legal gray area these mercenaries operate in is unconscionable.  They are not accountable for their actions under our constitution, the Iraqi law, or the Uniform Code of Military Justice.  Basically, they can murder with impugnity.  Your tax dollars at work.  These evil scum are trying to open another training facility just east of San Diego, opposed by the local activists and environmentalists.  Look into it.  Stop Blackwater. Stop war profiteering.
Well gee Tom, I geuss so long as you and yours never have to go on the mission just saying "I support the troops" is enough to qualify as supporter.

I absolutely support the brave men and women of our armed forces who have to risk their lives every day because this adminstration saw fit to send them into combat "with the army they had" instead of outfitting them properly, making sure that they had adequate R&R between campaigns, and generally treats the troops like day labor.  And this ignores the fact that Iraq had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11 or Al Queada prior to our invasion.

I think that the forces in the ground should have the best armor available befoer they go into a combat zone (unlike conservatives), should get the mine resistant Humvees that would save their lives as fast as possible rather than shipping them via slower -cheaper- methods (unlike conservatives), their medical facilities should be world class (unlike conservatives), they should not be rotated back to combat zones if they are injured (unlike conservatives), their families should have the best benefits (unlike conservatives), and they should follow a troop rotation that allows the soldiers to spend at least as much time at home as the do in combat (unlike conservatives).

I can not think of anything that would benefit our troops in the long run more than BRINGING THEM HOME.  But you probably think that instead of getting out we should invade Iran.  Not that you or anyone you know will ever actually have to risk anything.

Conservatives.  Supporting the troops as long as it doesn't entail getting off the couch.  
To RH

"ARM THEM TO THE TEETH AND TELL THEM TO SHOOT THE FIRST SOB THAT MAKE A HOSTILE MOVE"

Probably the dumbest statement i have read in First Read in the last 6 months!  if that's how you feel, then you really do not support the troops.  why don't you move out of your parents basement and join the rest of society.  maybe when you actually converse with other individuals, you might get some perspective.  dumb a#$.
Tom Major, dems hate war and killing. Repubs love it... in the name of God, of course.You need to come clean, Mr. phoney macho man, Mr. I'm so insecure that I'll attempt to cover it up by being a pretend tough guy.
I love the way so many people are solidly Republican or Democrat.  That is a sure way to keep the "Republicrats" in firm control.
In Nam we Had Air America,, Iraq has Blackwater. So whats the Problem. This is a no Brainer,,, more like cheap toilet paper. It takes a whole roll to wipe your But$. Just how many Washington Paper hangers are part of Blackwater. Where is the kick back. The truely hidden strings. This is a war """Or did you scrub up but your not on the list of those who get to operate??????  Whine.. Whine..  Better the Media just shut up for once!!!!
It's Clinton's fault.  They originally wanted to name it Whitewater...but couldn't.
The repubs used to talk a lot about us standing down as the Iraqi's stood up.  Well here is the chance for the Iraqi's to do just that.  The Iraqi's need to grab a couple of their own army divisions, march into the green zone, grab all the Blackwater personnel, put them on trucks, and ship them out of the country. That would really prove that the Iraqi's are ready to take responsibility for their own country. It's just the kind of proof the Repubs need help them move off of their current deadender's stategy and on to a new strategy that draws down troops in a swift and responsibile manner.
So, if the dunce in chief and his administration were not having people tortured and not allowing a rogue security company immunity, does anyone think that security issues in Iraq might be different?  These people should be tried and convicted of any crimes committed just like the soldiers who already have benn tried and convicted period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone interested can google 'private contractors in Iraq' and the first hit, just posted, estimates a collective of 180,000 private/armed contractors from
various sources, including Iraqis and of course many american ex-military.  

These mercenaries make from $400.00 to$1000.00 per day, and beyond.  Aside from making a hell of a lot more money, they are usually better equipped than their military counterparts and are not subject to the same rules and regulations governing military operations.  It would appear they have a 'carte blanche' freedom from the normal accountability process imposed on the military, and this causes considerable tension and resentment within the ranks of the regular military forces, as might be expected.  

Blackwater and a few other large contractors have in their employ a sizable number of ex-military officers and former high ranking NCOs that are former military covert ops specialists from the Navy SEALS, Army Rangers, etc.  This is indeed a private army, and one that has received relatively little publicity in the news - I would guess we can expect this (very expensive) force to remain long after American troop numbers are drawn down (in whatever year that might be).  Private mercenary contractors like Blackwater can be used anywhere the president deems fit - like right here in the USA for example - and probably with the same immunity from the law.

Senator Jim Webb's proposal to limit length and frequency of Iraq tour duty rotation has been shot down by Republicans on a 56-44 vote....in line with Sec Gates' recoomendation to Bush to veto this proposal. No surprise at all - there will be no changes on Bushes watch ....although the GOP is playing with fire here.  Hopefully they will pay the price come '08.        
RH wrote, "ARM THEM TO THE TEETH AND TELL THEM TO SHOOT THE FIRST SOB THAT MAKE A HOSTILE MOVE"

When did "Support our troops" change to "Support our mercenaries?" I must have missed that memo.
Man, you people don't get it.

Where do you think the white supremacists went?

This war can't end B4 2008, 'cause they're all coming back to guard the polling sites!
since when you people start to believe what the media tells you and worse, the iraqi media tells you. the real cowboys are those IPs, one year ago they were specialized in setting up IEDs, now they're good at shooting CONVINCIBLE news pix, thanks you democrats, for modern new iraq.


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