George W sure has got an itchy veto pen. Meanwhile, is he setting up a CRS (can't remember s**t) defense for his future war crimes charges? Yesterday he stated that Nelson Mandela is dead! In case YOU've forgotten too, he met with Mandela shortly after 9/11. (Mandela expressing his support). In '03 Bush snubbed Mandela, avoiding a meeting because Nelson had criticized him for invading Iraq, saying Bush "can't think properly". Yesterday George verified that statement.

Yes God forbid we should have health care for children. All the money goes to the war in Iraq, the hell with American kids.
Do not give the shrub any bills, shut the game down  the shrub wants to play politics.  No more bills, get some balls Congress, do not give him veto power.
The Congress and the House can control this fiasco, DO it. Use the POWER of the CONGRESSIONAL BRANCH of Government.

Gerogie is a muddled alcoholic who should not be allowed to hold a pen!

Let me get this right.....

The Democrats want to up the limits to $83,000 per family?  They want to raise taxes on tobacco 60 cents a pack?  Last time I saw, smoking was on the decline, they had better raise it up to $1.00 a pack.

If it is $83,000, maybe I'll sign my kids up and save me some money for the big tax increases Hillary Clinton would pass on to the middle class.

bush should be IMPEACHED FOR CHILD ABUSE, imagine denying little children adequate health care, jesus would be proud of him.

Bush doesn't care about other people's children.
He doesn't care about young solders being killed or what their family must go though. He doesn't care that he is leaving an impossible debt for our grandchildren. He cares not for the environment. He is a dangerous drunken fool who is destroying our country. Health insurance for children is the least of his worries. His are covered.

God, Bush really is stupid! Mandela is certainly NOT dead and what the hell was that about all the Mandelas being killed?!

C'mon, Jerry, address this! Address the fact that your beloved President is dumber than a box of rocks!

bush was a moron yesterday, he is a moron today and he will be a moron tomorrow. You can not expect any correct thinking or actions from a moron. Ergo, We must wait for him to be gone from office as there is absolutly no way to get around him in this corrupt environment. Children lose this round.

I thought only reptiles left their young to fend for themselves.

M. Boley..you are so right. How can a man this stupid be our president?

I have made a few comments in the past regarding the issues, but I have never seen them on the disussion. Sounds like censorship. Anyway, to reply to Jerry from Corpus Christi, Bush is living proof that morons come from Texas, and you Jerry have reaffirmed that point.

Could Bush be any more pathetic?

Trouble is on its way.

Testimony in Congress revealed that the Bushies were sending literal frklifts-full of hundred-dollar bills to Iraq, which subsequently disappeared, either into Paul Bremer & Co's pocket, or into some corrupt Iraqi's---or into Al Quaeda hands.BUT, Bush the "compassionalte Christan" says we don't have enough money to insure children.  The veto pen that stayed put during a Repugnant Congress that rubber-stamped his every evil now is in overdrive when it comes to protecting children.  This guy who claims to be a Jesus freak evidently never read the Biblical passage where Jesus tells his disciples that it would be better for a man to have a millstone around his neck and thrown into the sea than to harm one of the little children.  It's one of the few passages in the Bible I can fully agree with---and one Bush-The-Born-Again-Christian seems to have forgotten.  Why don't we shake down Bremmer and his bank accounts, or maybe Chalibi, our favoite Iraqi at the time---maybe we'd find some money to give kids health insurance in this, supposedly the richest and SUPPOSEDLY the greatest country on earth.

I really think he's on the sauce again. He just gets worse and worse...

Hey Tom some pretty smart people come from Texas. Mostly from west Texas

Nelson Mandala is dead in Bush's mind because he disagreed with him.


When I was a manager of a business i would have never hired someone with a 91 IQ with a record of drug and/or alcohol abuse, who failed at every business he ran by himself, who can't speak English coherently or properly and who shirked his military duties. Why did America give a job to this man?

The goal is to make SCHIP available to families up to double the poverty line, Jerry, which amount would be less than half the $83,000 you quoted.

Re the Bush "gaffe":

From CommonDreams.org Newscenter:

"In a speech defending his administration’s Iraq policy, Bush said former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein’s brutality had made it impossible for a unifying leader to emerge and stop the sectarian violence that has engulfed the Middle Eastern nation.
Bush said:

“I heard somebody say, ‘Where’s Mandela?’ Well, Mandela’s dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas.”

It's pretty obvious that he was speaking figuratively from an Iraq perspective.  Because of Saddam Hussein there are "no Mandelas" i.e. "unifying leader" in Iraq.  

I realize that's probably lost on anyone who simply hates George Bush and to who context means nothing in advancing that hate.

Richard, it's bad enough that Bush has to speak literally. He certainly shouldn't try his mouth out on figures of speech because he isn't good at it.

And here we go with the 'hate' crapola. I don't 'hate' Bush. I do not like him and I don't believe he has been a good President. I think he's made some horrible decisions while President and I believe it will take many years, if not generations, for this country to recover from them. I think he's narrow-minded and insecure intellectually and I know he has issues with booze and that bothers me tremendously.

But I don't 'hate' him. I pity him.

Jerry,

Chuck Grassley Iowa's very conservative GOP senator supports this legislation. He publicly told Bush it would be a mistake to veto it. When Iowa's Senators Tom Harkin and Chuck Grassley agree on a measure, it's almost always right. Without thinking hard I can only think of their both voting in favor of the Iraq war authorization vote, and providing a large grant to build that stupid indoor rain forest when they both voted wrong on an issue. (Oh that, and voting in favor of my former classmate Jim Nussle as Budget Director).

If Grassley is a strong advocate of the bill, which he is, I can assure you the bill is not a left wing liberal give away!

Sorry M. Boley.  Your first post did sound hateful like several others here. I stand corrected. It appears it was merely pitiful.

We're happy to have been able to raise three children, provide them health insurance (still doing it for one of them), send them to private schools, help put all three through college, live in a decent home and provide for our retirement while never having a family income exceeding $80,000/yr and approaching that level only recently.

Who should I address the apology to?  I'm feeling pretty guilty.

If my remaining dependent was under 19, would you want him insured at your expense?

Richard of Washington state asks
"If my remaining dependent was under 19, would you want him insured at your expense?"

It would depend Richard, what is your income, are you able to provide health insurance for the dependent through a group plan, what is the cost to you?

Without knowing those answers, and others, that I wouldn't expect you to provide, I would have no idea whether your child should be covered under the federal plan. But I do know that what the right wing has said on Rush, etc about the bill, and what the bill actually provide, are light years apart. Any one who knows (and dislikes or loves?) Chuck Grassley would know he wouldn't be a strong supporter of this legislation if it was a left wing overblown gov't program.

Richard, Washington State go to factcheck.org and you'll see that Bush (and other wing nuts) have been lying about the legislation. What else is new!

Bush is just reminding the Democrats that he is in charge.  The Dims are kind of slow though, but they'll catch on at some point.

Let's veto President Bush & the Republican Party, they don't stand for the middle-class or the working poor. What happened to the American values of education for all,jobs that we would work, if they weren't in China, Japan, or India. Health-care has always been for the haves of the world, the poor just die. Our country has been stolen by white collar big business & this President supports this crime. Where is the outrage!!!we are going to wake up in a major reality confrontation about our lives in the very near future. It will not be about terriost it will be about our own leaders in goverment. The American people have been hijacked & our rights aborted by the Neo-Cons.  

I think it is interesting that Bush would say this is federalization of US health care.  So what if it is?  Someone has got to fix the health care problem in the US.  Every year I never know what I am going to be offered for health care at my company.  Every year it changes to a new provider and they have managed to keep the cost of the insurance the same or slightly less but each year my out of pocket increases drastically.  I still won't qualify to enroll my children in the program becuase I make too much money but let others!  Everyone that is against this should pay attention to what is going on around them.  Kids dying becuase their parents couldn't afford health insurance and they made too much money for medicaid.   Go to your local county hospital and take a walk through the waiting room, look and listen.  Watch how many people have to tell the nurse no I don't have insurance.  Ask some of them how long they have had to wait with a child that is running a fever, throwing up and crying because they are sick.  Do this and tell me you are still against the changes!
If Bush had ever known poverty and what it was like to live paycheck to paycheck he may not want to veto so quickly.  Hopefully there will be enough republicans with some balls that will support this so they can show bush how to take care of the homeland.  Otherwise, let the government shut down over the budget that no one will agree to.  Who cares?  This is just the homeland and the only thing that matters to GWB is his pet project, the war in Iraq.

Peace!!

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